All About Android 616, Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up on All About Android. It's me, Jason Howell. We've gone Huyen Tue Dao and Ron Richards, just three of us tonight. I have in my hands the OnePlus 11 5g, and I give you my full review in tonight's episode Also one plus announced officially their first tablet, the OnePlus Pad. So we talked about that. Samsung's unpacked goodness, including the Galaxy S23 Ultra. That was the event last week. So we've got thoughts on the new hardware there, using your phone as a webcam. Apparently that's coming to Android according to Mishaal Rahman, the Alpha of Android's new credential manager. We've got some details there for developers, your email, and even a voicemail coming up next on All About Android!

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This is All About Android, episode 616 recorded Tuesday, February 7th, 2023, eco Systeming. This episode of All About Android is brought to you by ACI Learning. If you love ITPro, you'll love ACI Learning ACI Learning offers fully customizable training for your team in formats for all types of learners across audit, cybersecurity, and it from entry level training to putting people on the moon, ACI Learning has got you covered. Visit go.ACIlearning.com/twit to learn more. Hello and welcome to All About Android. This is your weekly source for the latest news, hardware and apps for the Android Faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

Ron Richards (00:01:38):
And I'm Ron Richards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:40):
And I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Jason Howell (00:01:42):
Oh yeah. And we are All About Android

Ron Richards (00:01:47):
Coming together. Like an Android made of Voltron. That's a Voltron running on

Jason Howell (00:01:51):
Android. That's right, yeah. Some someday some awesome

Ron Richards (00:01:54):
Voltron running Android, I think. Cuz you don't, they never

Jason Howell (00:01:57):
Voltron running Android. That's what it is. I

Ron Richards (00:01:59):
Like that. They never really showed you what the operating system was. True. It could be Android, you never know. So,

Jason Howell (00:02:04):
But isn't Voltron isn't Voltron made of people? Like aren't they actually people?

Ron Richards (00:02:08):
No, that's, that's Soylent Green. I'm sure they're using Windows Mobile

Jason Howell (00:02:12):
<Laugh>. Ooh. Well it is an older show, so

Ron Richards (00:02:16):
Yeah, it's probably, to be honest, it's probably in like Assembly

Jason Howell (00:02:20):
Yesss True. Or machine language. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. There it's, you know, at one point, at one point in time that was cutting edge. But what can you do? It's good to see you both. Good to be here. We talk Android. We got some, yeah. Some big stuff in the docket today. It's very hardware focused today. Very app light. Like maybe we have some app stuff going on in feedback. But JR Raphael, I am sorry to say, does not have an app segment. This is his first time missing it, but it's for a good reason. He has strep throat and I wouldn't wanna do an app review if I had strep throat. So

Ron Richards (00:02:58):
He had a, he had a good streak. He, he definitely had a good run. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I give him credit for doing it week in, week out for the, these recent weeks we,

Jason Howell (00:03:04):
So, and now that he's lose a break, now that he's got the week off, it's done. We're gonna say goodbye to you Jr. You're done forever. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just playing with you. I dunno why I'm a jerk. 

Ron Richards (00:03:18):
What a

Jason Howell (00:03:18):
Jerk. I feel like I know you well enough though, JR that you know that. I'm just kidding.

Ron Richards (00:03:22):
Oh, hey, <laugh>. It's not my

Jason Howell (00:03:25):
Job. Burke. Oof. Yeah. Maybe it's Burke's job. Yeah,

Burke (00:03:31):
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. You're

Jason Howell (00:03:33):
Probably right. Okay, good. Only jerks agree to that. So there you go. All right. Well, we've got a lot to talk about some news before we jump into, I'd say the big event of the episode, which are our two hardware blocks. So why don't we dive right in. I'm really excited cuz it's time for the news <laugh>.

Burke (00:03:54):
Well you know, in Marvel 616 Yeah. It identifies this, the main reality and it offers in-depth analysis of Android news. Both Uhhuh symbolize a benchmark in their fields.

Jason Howell (00:04:11):
Oh, wow. Did you come with up with that on your own? Or was that assisted by Yeah, I mean it Good right? Art? Yeah, that was, that was so human of you. More human than I'm used to from you, Burke.

Burke (00:04:23):
Well,

Ron Richards (00:04:24):
The thing is, wait a minute, dear. Is Burke an ai? What?

Jason Howell (00:04:27):
<Laugh> The thing

Burke (00:04:28):
Is Victor wanted me to insinuate that Fantastic four was in some way. Cool.

Jason Howell (00:04:34):
That's it.

Burke (00:04:35):
And you could I irreconcilable or d differences. We're not speaking. I know how we're gonna get along.

Jason Howell (00:04:41):
So, okay. Before we get into the news, I should, you know, mention that your remind that this is episode 616 and apparently, oh, apparently in the Marvel universe, 616 has meaning. So this was, yes. What you read was, and I'm so like hopeless when it comes to any sort of comic book trivia. But what you read was ChatGPT's take on the correlation between episode 616 and Marvel 616. We should add ask resident expert on all things comic book Ron Richards, how did ChatGPT do at drawing the correlation between the two things?

Ron Richards (00:05:24):
Not great, Bob, not

Jason Howell (00:05:25):
Great. <Laugh> <laugh> Fair. That's fair. I agree. Agree. Yep.

Ron Richards (00:05:30):
<Laugh>. Yep. Not great.

Burke (00:05:31):
This might be one of the situations where I did better

Jason Howell (00:05:34):
<Laugh>, where you, you could have beat the AI Burke. Well,

Ron Richards (00:05:37):
I sent to Burke, I asked, I asked Chat GPT to write a news bumper for all that Android about passwords we're

Burke (00:05:43):
Reserving that. Oh, that is a good one. I must say you made,

Ron Richards (00:05:46):
And it said, I'll read, I'll read it. The response was this is All About Android. And today we're talking passwords with a growing number of online services and applications, managing and securing our passwords has never been more important. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And that's why we're bringing you the latest updates on password management on Android. Straight from the Source Google. So stay tuned for all the latest news on passwords and how to keep your information safe on your Android device.

Jason Howell (00:06:06):
So stay tuned. Don't touch that dial. Which,

Ron Richards (00:06:09):
Which to be honest, <laugh>, that's a lot better than the 616 nonsense that Burke just read a couple bit. Like that could be, that could be a, a tease for this show,

Jason Howell (00:06:17):
Show. Totally could be. Yes.

Ron Richards (00:06:19):
So, so I'm gonna give Chat I'm gonna give chatgpt a b-plus on Android intro about passwords and a A d A D-minus on 616.

Jason Howell (00:06:29):
Yeah. Okay. Okay. D minus is fair. Can I, can I reread this? Burke? can I redo your news bumper for you? <Laugh>? Absolutely. <Laugh>. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Roll the roll the news bumper. I'll do the, I'll, I'll do this. We'll, we'll make you a believer in Marvel. Six 16 identifies the main reality on TWiT's, All About Android, Episode 616 offers in-depth analysis of Android news, both symbolize a benchmark in their fields.

Ron Richards (00:07:01):
That's better. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:07:03):
See delivery.

Ron Richards (00:07:04):
It's the delivery. Right? B-Minus

Jason Howell (00:07:07):
<Laugh>. We're gonna work with you Burke. We're gonna work on this. We're gonna put you through some courses. I think I got the delivery. I don't have the words. Okay. I don't know. I thought the words were okay. Okay. Maybe not. They, they, I mean, at the end of the day, they don't make any sense, but you can make it sound like it kind of makes sense. I don't know.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:24):
Isn't that a thing? Like 70% of what people respond to is how you say it. So

Jason Howell (00:07:28):
That's right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:28):
You just, Jason just automatically gets points and it doesn't matter.

Jason Howell (00:07:31):
<Laugh>. That's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:32):
Right. That benchmarks has nothing to do with

Jason Howell (00:07:33):
This. Absolutely. You are great. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:35):
You gotta make up that extra 30% Burke and then we're good. Yeah. I'm

Jason Howell (00:07:39):
Working on it right now. Yeah. How you deliver. That's how, that's, that's how you, how you get past a poorly written copy by Chat GPT. So Chat GPT is about 50 50 right now with us and our results. Any who we actually have some news to talk about. So let's do that. Starting with you Huyen.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:57):
Yeah. So this is exciting. This came up on the Android developer's blog this week and Android have, the Android team have released an alpha of a new API called the Credential Manager api. Now, this is not gonna be actually that interesting for consumers for a long time, but basically the cred credential manager API is part of Jet Pack, which is the family of Android libraries meant to kind of provide Android developers with opinionated and monitored Android practices to kind of make like the hard stuff easier. And what is super relevant to us here at AAA is that this new credential manager is a way of basically simplifying the myriad, the, the cornucopia of sign-in methods that we as mobile users on Android have, and trying to kind of unify them into one interface. And that interface will also include Passkey support. Oh, so exactly. So we already talked about how, you know, Google's getting the Passkeys in there with, you know, a little bit of Chrome, a little bit of Google password manager. And so now this is the alpha of Passkeys coming to, you know, the broader kind of Android ecosystem. It is Alpha. So don't expect Passkey support very, very soon. Cause sudden

Jason Howell (00:09:11):
They'll suddenly start appearing left, right. And

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:12):
Center. Yeah, it's Alpha. And a lot of, you know, as, as an Android dev alpha means, oh, that's nice. I'll look into it in like six months, right?

Jason Howell (00:09:20):
Oh, that exists. That's possible. That exist, but there's, there's absolutely no reason to rush.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:26):
Yeah, absolutely none. But it is giving us kind of this idea that, you know, kind of like we talked about a few months ago with a cross device SDK where, you know, there's a lot of Android APIs and a lot of like developer solutions for all kinds of stuff already, like Bluetooth connection and you know, like nearby kind of stuff. But what Google's trying to do is like, again, unify that to a simpler inter like, kind of a simpler interface into like multi multiple, like different avenues of connecting. This is very similar, but for sign-in and as someone who's been on a team that had a struggle with Sign in, and probably still does, I'm not on that team anymore. Good luck to them. This, this actually makes a lot of sense because, you know, between password, username between federated solutions, kinda like Google sign in with biometrics and now with pass keys, it's really confusing. I know it's confusing for y'all as Android users. I don't know, for me too and for developers, it's honestly not that much better. So the idea of just generally the credential manager is pretty exciting. And again, the future as many, many like companies like Apple and Microsoft and Google have said is passkey. So here's a little gateway and a little preview to what that might look like, and hopefully our authenticated lives in the future will be better. So yeah,

Jason Howell (00:10:35):
Obviously this is more of a developer story than a generally user story. As a general user, what is the difference between what we're talking about here and like, oof, like when I go open up an app and it says, log in with your Google account and I just tap the thing and it lets me in that way because they're different things. What, how

Huyen Tue Dao (00:10:56):
Are they? Yeah, they're just different services, different ways of authenticating someone. So you can have like o os like authentication. You could still have just like regular, like, you know, username and password authentication. So they're just like different services, different methods of authenticating. And it kind of is up to the app itself, whether it supports OAuth, whether it supports biometrics, whether it supports passkey. So there's just a lot of stuff and I actually, I don't really know how OAuth might fit into the credential manager. Yeah. It, it might just be separate or it might be something that can be taken into account. Usually when it comes to OAuth as a developer, I've always had to like say, okay, well then you kick 'em out to the mobile web so they can do like an OAuth kind of thing. I guess you can actually integrate it as well in the apps, but when I've worked with it, usually the simplest thing is to kick out to mobile web. So it's just like another avenue and another service that we can use. So, so actually I guess the, for users this e even with this api, you may still not automatically get like the magic of a beautiful, you know, all inclusive, no friction login mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, because there are so many different services and ways of doing it. It really is dependent on, you know, developer teams kind of trying to unify their user experience across all their different IDE identification services. So yeah. Yeah, <laugh>,

Jason Howell (00:12:18):
I mean, I it's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:12:19):
Really this Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:12:21):
This, this all really worries me because I feel like it needs to be dead simple for the average user, right? Yeah. And, and this just hearing you talk about it when this feels like it's going down the RCS path Yeah. Where like the average user doesn't understand what the underlying technology of messaging is and why RCS is important mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and like, th this ki this rollout is gonna be so critical. And I now I worry,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:12:47):
But it, I mean, you should already be worried and like, I think nice and I mean, and my previous team, you know, and I, I, I don't, I think, you know, like, the thing is is that a lot of, you know, especially big developers have their own like identity services. So I used to work Atlassian. Atlassian has their own identity ecosystem that is tied into all of their different products, right? Because Atlassian has like a whole like three or four different products. And so what even complicates it further is like, not all companies necessarily feel incentive or like momentum or like kind of like a push to adopt something even as like sim as simpler for the user, in my opinion as like Google Signin and Biometrics and paske, a lot of times they want you to be in their identities services either because they've already spent a lot of money in it and they've got Sunco fallacy or they're trying to like, you know, maybe like, like Microsoft and like, you know Atlassian, like, they want to push you into their ecosystem. So it's already a mess to be perfectly honest. Like, this was a big deal when I worked at Trello and like trying to fight for Google Signin and Apple Signin or Apple Is that Apple and Apple,

Jason Howell (00:13:54):
Whatever, having a cascading list of all the different ways you can sign in.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:58):
Yeah. Like smart unlock and everything. It was like a battle to be like, Hey, this is how we should do it because it's easier for the users. And then trying to balance that with like, business directives and, and, and more like the product, like the company level concerns. So it's already a, a poop show. Like, it's, it's, it's a poop show. So I I I can only hope that maybe if things like Passkey are being pushed and things like an easier, more kind of consistent interface for developers and users go out that eventually the high tide lifts all boats. Yeah. So

Jason Howell (00:14:31):
I think it's a

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:32):
Poop show already.

Jason Howell (00:14:33):
<Laugh>, the Poop Show is a poop show. It's a poop show. I think the thing that something like Paske has going for it that RCS has never had is support by more than just one company, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Paske has Apple. Yeah. It has Microsoft. Yeah. It has Google all working kind of towards that. Rcs was really Google saying, Hey Apple, what are you doing out of the party? Meanwhile, Google's you know, it's all Google employees there with party hats on and <laugh>, they're like, everybody else is here. It's like, no, actually you guys are there and we don't want to be there cuz we're Apple. So I think it, yeah. I, in that regard, it's different. And I guess for the average user, a lot of the confusion that we're talking about here isn't that kind of in the hands of the developers and <laugh> how they integrate versus mm-hmm. <Affirmative> the actual user. I mean, I I'm guessing this is gonna be integrated in such a way that if, if it truly is easy, you know, as easy as like one tap to get in, like mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, that's what the user interfaces with. It's the developers that have to worry about all the confusion in the backend.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:39):
Yeah. And I mean, I, so just to be perfectly transparent, I never worked on the authentication code. I was just on meetings where we tried to, you know, influence like good practices and yes, a lot of, you know, that is kind of on us and you know, again, our product managers and people that make the decisions about how things should be to make it work well for you, and again, this is alpha looking at the code that they have so far, it is very much in our hands about how good this is. Like to some extent Google is giving us, you know, certain like pains or like windows or popups to like show you and, and we kind of like kind of kick out to, you know, Google and their like, you know, unified interface when appropriate. But a lot of like, the flow and the direction of things is on us. So if, you know, our product still wants us to kind of like say, Hey, you should use, you know, like yada yada, like identity services, they might still put that in front and then kind of just begrudgingly let you use Google things or pass keys depending, so mm-hmm. Yeah. It's on the developer. Usually like the person above a developer,

Jason Howell (00:16:44):
Not like Right, right, right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:16:45):
Day-To-Day job. Yeah, totally. Yeah. It, this is still in developer hands. So I'm hopeful, but yeah, you're right. It's still, there's still someone probably above my period grade making decisions that, you know, will, that we'll all, you know, pay for or not. Yeah. Well that's so, that's so negative.

Jason Howell (00:17:02):
<Laugh>, we're all gonna, it's scary future get better, better

Ron Richards (00:17:05):
Y all it's just cuz our fu our future is so out of our hands and we're gonna have to adapt to whatever nets out. That's a scary feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:17:12):
So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:17:13):
Yeah, a a a lot of companies will follow these things, but I, I will tell you that sometimes you'd be surprised like the kind of companies that don't prioritize this stuff. And I, it's frustrating, it's frustrating for the people that type the code too, so I can imagine. Yeah. Cross fingers cool. Better tools sometimes that helps. So

Jason Howell (00:17:31):
Yeah, fingers crossed. Let's hope. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:17:35):
Well, we're also crossing our fingers for webcams. Really? Oh,

Jason Howell (00:17:39):
Yeah, webcams is so like the future. Yeah. The future is webcams.

Ron Richards (00:17:43):
So, yeah. Our pal Michelle who couldn't be on the show this week he spotted some code changes submitted to the A O S P that indicate that the OS may soon offer native support for turning the mobile device into a webcam for a pc, Mac or Chromebook. Which is crazy. A new quote unquote device as webcam service is being added to Android and an an Android device should support the u sb video class s gadget mode in order for it to work. This could arrive in Android 14, though, no confirmation on that yet. And actually Michelle pointed out on Twitter that this has been possible before where third party apps but soon will it looks like it's soon to be a native feature. And interesting to note that the Motorola Edge 20 already does this. They implemented, implemented their own solution that does exactly this.

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And this is actually kind of genius. And as Michelle, you know, talked about on Twitter as he posted on Twitter saying, you know, that during the pandemic people were using their Android phones as a webcam because all you needed was the cable and a third party app, and boom, you have a camera. And so like, you know, everyone was zooming and doing all this other, all this sort of stuff, and we have computers and the camera on your phone is probably a lot better than the little, you know, the baked in camera on your laptop, or maybe you don't even have one. So this is just like another way of like, this little device in your pocket is also a camera and you could use it this way. So it's neat that you know, that Google's taking notice and seeing what, you know, third party apps are doing and baking it into the OS apparently once again, <laugh>. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:19:14):
Yeah. I like that. Love it. I think that's a cool, cool feature. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm re looking right now at the, kind of like the Motorola Edge 20 that apparently already does this and has its own implemented way. And this is just one of those, one of those examples of like, hey, well, you know, if everybody's doing this already, why don't we make it, you know, adapt it as a mm-hmm. <Affirmative> as a permanent feature within Android. Yep. Give us some guardrails and stuff. <Laugh> mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So I think that makes a lot of sense, but Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't hurt that you can do this on the other side of the fence as well, right? Like yeah, if you have an iPhone, you can do this with Google's, you know, ecosystem, their, their laptop. You can use your, your iPhone as a webcam and there's, there's always this push and pull between those companies as far as, you know, what they're, what they're all working towards. So.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:20:08):
Yep. I wonder if the video fidelity is really good. I mean, like, webcams are webcams, right? Like even like the best, like, you know, whatever Logitech, brio, whatever are still Okay. I wonder if like, yeah, if the, if the video quality is able to be maintained as a, was it us as, as a UVC or whatever the acronym is for the particular Ussb video UVC kind controller? Sorry. UV U, yes. Uvc. Okay. I wonder like how the the video fidelity is. Could, could you imagine how like, awesome and crisp and like sexy everyone's like, you know, like Zoom calls will be with all these like wall <laugh>. If you have a flagship phone that does video wall Yeah. You know, it's gonna be,

Jason Howell (00:20:46):
If you've got the, got the S 23 Ultra, that's a tease. It's a tease <laugh> then maybe it's gonna be amazing. Although I'm kind of surprised if Google or if Samsung doesn't already have this as a feature of their integrated, you know, stuff. Right. But it doesn't matter cuz it's coming to Android. We'll see someday, somewhere down the line. I mean, it could be 14, could be 15, I don't know. Who knows? It's, it's, it's starting to lay it out there. We'll see. It's still early. Exactly. Exactly. All right, well let's take a break and thank the sponsor of this episode and then we will get into two back to back blocks of hardware, the hardest of hardware coming up next. But first, this episode of All About Android is brought to you by ACI Learning. You already know ITPro bringing you engaging and entertaining IT training.

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So much hardware this week, Jason. So much, so much hardware that's pretty, can't keep it all together. Yeah, so this is the OnePlus 11 5g. One plus had their, had their official announcement and kind of, you know, embargo release immediately following the announcement earlier this morning. So, you know, if you were online and you care about smartphones, you probably saw that suddenly many reviews hit the web today on the OnePlus 11 5g, you'll notice right off the top there is no like pro in the name. It's not like a OnePlus 11 pro or anything like that. It, this time around it is just the OnePlus 11 5g. So you don't have these, these different kind of variations around, around the design. So I'm gonna do with this review, what I've been doing lately kind of works for me, kind of the good, the fine, you know, which is kinda like the indifference or the nah, you know, whatever.

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And then the bad, because there are certain things that fall into each category, usually with every phone, definitely with the OnePlus 11 5G in my time with it. So I've had this phone now for a few weeks. I've been using it as my daily driver. I got my SIM loaded in it, a mint, you know, basically a T-Mobile sim loaded in it. And the first thing to know about this phone is this is the first one, plus phone to launch with 5G support on all major US carriers. So if you're, you know, if you're looking for a phone that supports all those 5g vari variations, you can do that now, right at launch. I think you could do that with a previous model like the, the the 10 T eventually got that as an update later, but this is the first one that kind of launches with it.

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The trick though is that this phone isn't available in carrier stores, which I find kind of interesting because OnePlus was starting to kind of become visible in carrier stores, T-Mobile especially. And now you're not gonna be able to walk into a carrier store here in the US and find the OnePlus 11 5g, unless I'm mistaken, but through my reading online, that that really seemed to be the case. So, so that's gonna limit it a little bit. But, so it's almost like here in the US this device is going back to <laugh>, the OnePlus roots, right? You gotta order it online if you want it, you gotta find it online. So let's talk about the device itself design-wise. You know, again and again, OnePlus has their, has the materials down. I really like this mace back. It's, it's you know, it doesn't show any fingerprints.

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It still feels very premium. It's got a nice kind of like subtle roughness to it. In some ways, I guess it's kinda like a softer version of the backing that was on the one plus one, if you remember way back when it had that kind of like tacky back material. But anyways, one, one big kind of standout is this circular camera protrusion, right? It doesn't come out too, too far, but it's definitely an eye catcher. You either love it or you hate it. I think, you know, some people see this and they're like, oh my god, that's really ugly. And other people like it because it's different, right? It stands out. And it definitely does. So design-wise, I mean, you know, they, I feel like time and time again, they do a really great job. The materials are excellent, the phone feels nice in the hand.

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They've brought back the alert slider, which they had gotten rid of, and we were like, oh no, is that gone forever? It's here. So that's good. It's affordable, you know, as a flagship $699 for the eight gig, 7 99 for the 16 gig memory version. It's got excellent performance. It has that Snapdragon eight gen two processor, which is, this is not the first, the only time we're gonna talk about that in today's episode has a really beautiful 6.7 inch olet display in person. You know, it's, it's sharp, it has nice nice refresh variable, 120 hertz refresh. It actually, it also has the always on display and this ramps all the way down to one hertz is my understanding. So it's, so it's really ramping all over the place to try and maximize battery essentially. And so when you're here, like if I'm here and and it's dark in the room and I move the phone like this, I can see it kind of jitter, right?

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Because it's such a slow refresh. But really that's all you need on on the, the front of the, the phone when the screen is off super fast charging. It has 80 watt fast charge that'll take you to full in 30 minutes. Of course it is proprietary charging, right? So you need their charger in order to benefit from that. But if you've got it, you know, it's a fast charge. It's 5,000 million amp hour battery gave me in my experience with it, full day support, no worries there. And then of course, you know that they, that OnePlus has its pretty solid software support cycle now, four years. Major OS updates, five years security. So you could technically get this device and use it for the next five years and be receiving updates that entire time, which is pretty impressive.

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I love that. That's becoming the new standard. And then finally, you've got, you know, I mentioned kind of the, the camera protrusion, the main camera which you will see has a little hassle, blood, you know, written in there. So we've got bl returning as a partner here on the lenses. I ha I included some photos in the dock if you wanna show just a couple of those. But I thought that the main camera lens produces some really great shots. You know, really fantastic stuff. Some great loli performance. I think that second shot was from a concert or a concert <laugh>, a gig that my friends played to probably about, I don't know, 50 or 70 people. So I don't, is that a concert or is that just a show anyways? Is there a difference? It's a gig. It's a gig.

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That's a gig. There you go. Anyways, it was a lot of fun. And I mean, that's, that's pretty solid, low light performance. It was not bright in there. They had, you know, a whole kinda light show thing going on. And that's, that looks pretty good to me, to my eyes, maybe a little blown out when you get into the details of like of Darby's face, the singer and the band, you know what I mean? You lose a little bit of detail there, but still it was pretty dark and I thought, and especially like people were moving and stuff. So in low light to get that kind of shot, that sharpness in the people in the audience where light really wasn't hitting that's actually pretty impressive, I think. Yeah, that was taken like probably 10 seconds earlier, so obviously the lighting had shifted a little bit, but but anyways pretty happy with the, the images that I took on the main camera, the wide angle also.

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That's that, I think that's the front fACIng camera, so that's okay. I mean, it's kind of, kind of a flat view, but main camera on the back wide angle solid. I think where it breaks down a little bit is using the wide angle to get some, like really close up shots, which I tried. That's about the only way that you can get, you know, some like macro style shots and some of those were fine, some of them not as good. But overall, I think I was pretty happy with the camera. So, oh, and actually if you skip forward a couple of shots, you'll see the old twit cottage. I was walking the neighborhood and I was like, oh, there's where TWIT started. That's the house right there. So I was like, oh, it's a little twit history. So that's the good, the fine is it's IP 64, which is great.

(00:33:56):
It's better than nothing, right? That protects against dust and water spray, no question about it. Not on par though with a lot of other competitors in the flagship space that are offering IP 68. That's usually what you're used to hearing. And that's dust and water immersion protection. So spray, this is protected immersion, not protected at all. So keep that in mind. Like I said earlier, the big circular bump is gonna turn some people off. It's gonna be a selling point for other people. So, and I'm kind of mixed on it. Like I, I think it's, it's unique, but it doesn't, it doesn't like upset me in any way, but I'm also not like, Ugh, that's an amazing look. I, it's fine. And then oxygen OS 12, which could probably also be referred to as color Os which is APOs ui, you know, is total oh and shelf.

(00:34:51):
I hate shelf, so I never activate it. But you know, it's, it's as bubbly as ever. I think, I think it's fine. Like it's kind of a minimal approach, minimalistic approach, but it's not totally out of the way. And I, it doesn't offend me. I know that it offends some people, like true one plus fans hate this like color os era of oxygen os it doesn't offend me, but it's also, you know, not my favorite in the world. It, it can be a little, I don't know, painted and bubbly at times. So what about the bad? I have had, including right before the show started, I've had significant mobile internet issues, like connectivity issues to the point to where I've had to restart this phone almost every day, at least once. And what happens? And, and I'm not entirely certain whether it's my sim, which is Mint Mobile, as I mentioned, by the way, mint is a sponsor, but that has nothing to do with it, what I'm talking about here.

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 Although maybe it does, I don't know. But just so you know but I've not had that issue in other phones. But I do in this phone, when I've got my Mint mobile sim in here, it, it will just, at random times throughout the day, I'll look and I'll realize like, oh, things aren't updating. Like when I'm not connected to wifi and then I look at it and my mobile connectivity is completely blank and the only way I can get it back on is to power cycle. I've even turned off the mobile internet in settings and then turned it back on. And that didn't fix it. I had to power cycle. I had some, some random Bluetooth oddities too and you know, where, where it was like connected, but it's said it was connected in settings, but it clearly was not connected cuz nothing was happening.

(00:36:39):
It's like, what is going on? And so it's really hard for me to know exactly what's at fault there. Cause I did read other people's reviews and I, I saw some people allude to some connectivity issues, but not really go into too much deep detail the way I'm talking about here. And I mean, for me, I hate to say it, but it's kind of at the point to where like, I'm kind of looking forward to being done with a review so I can put my sim back into my pixel because it's just like, I missed a really important message for my daughter a couple of days ago and, you know, so she spent a half an hour thinking that I wasn't like that I wasn't responding to her. I, meanwhile I didn't get it cause I didn't know my phone had completely gone off the internet.

(00:37:23):
And so things like that are, you know, like that's a deal for me, that's a deal breaker. Hard to know whether the phone itself is to blame or if it's my sim, but like I said, it doesn't do that in other phones. So there you have it. Other things, no wireless charging on a flagship that is a little odd. But again, as we've talked about in the past, like, you know, how much do you care about wireless charging? I mean, if you're, if you're buying a flagship phone of this price category, I kind of feel like you should probably have wireless charging in there. You have in the past one plus, why not this one? And like I said, not sold by any major US carriers, so, you know, bye-bye to any subsidy that you were hoping for or just walking into a store to get it.

(00:38:03):
So I think overall a a nice OnePlus phone and I've seen a lot of reviews say this is, this is OnePlus, this is best phone. If I hadn't had the connectivity issues, I might be there, you know, in that same range. But I'm hesitant to do that because the connectivity issues really bugged me and, and were really impacted my experience with the phone price also, you know, what is it? It's 6 99 to 7 99 when you compare that to the Pixel seven, right? Which is normally 5 99. Now you can get it on sale for 4 99. And I don't know, by comparison, it's, it's, you know, you know, I'm a I'm a Pixel fan. It's hard for me to recommend spending a couple hundred dollars more for this when I believe you can get a better phone for a couple hundred dollars less. So that's my review of the OnePlus 11 5g, what y'all think.

Ron Richards (00:39:02):
Interesting.

Jason Howell (00:39:03):
<Laugh>. Yeah. Good. I'm happy. It's interesting. I don't know, it was, it was just a bummer. The the connectivity issue is a real bummer. And anyway, that

Huyen Tue Dao (00:39:10):
Is,

Jason Howell (00:39:11):
Yeah. You know, it

Ron Richards (00:39:12):
Just, I mean that, that's a let up, that's a, I mean, that's almost a deal breaker, right?

Jason Howell (00:39:15):
It is for me. But again, like I said, like I don't know if it's the phone or if it's the sim, but either way, like I could not work my way around it and there's not a whole lot I can do about that. So, you know, I would say if you're gonna, if you're thinking about this phone read, you know, you've got this review read other reviews, see some video reviews, see if they're mentioning anything about the, the mobile connectivity. Could just be me, could just be like this device, like this, this particular device that OnePlus sent me, by the way. So, you know, it could just be that I have a bunk device or it could be a problem. And I think you'll only know that if you, you know, check out other people's reviews and see what they have to say. So there you go. Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:39:59):
Looks nice.

Jason Howell (00:40:01):
Yeah, it is. Yeah, it does look nice. One plus always gives a really nice design on their phone. You know, it's, it's

Ron Richards (00:40:07):
Just gotta connect under the hood. You made the reservation, you gotta hold

Jason Howell (00:40:10):
The <laugh>, you gotta hold the reservation. Yes, <laugh>, I like it.

Ron Richards (00:40:13):
I just wanna, I wanna turn that camera dial.

Jason Howell (00:40:16):
Yeah, it kinda looks like, you know, rotated or something.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:19):
It's beautiful though. I love it. It's very, yeah, it's very tactile and it's bump, it's bumping. Yeah, that's what that is. It's bumping <laugh> in a good, in the best ways.

Jason Howell (00:40:27):
So yeah, it is, it definitely captures the attention. You know, it's definitely got a very different look to it, but yep. There we go. Oneplus 11, five ge. All right, when that's not the only one plus news. There was more from

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:43):
The event. No, no. There there is, there is so much more. One plus stuff y'all, because yesterday, was it yesterday, I guess yesterday, or I guess depending on your time zone, very recently the cloud 11 event happened and one plus announced that they are ecosystem systeming. Y'all. They are getting into the ecosystem game and they announce not just a tablet, but also some pro earbuds. So we'll start with the tablet. So what's really interesting is that, yeah, one plus has this whole model, which they call the one plus four plus X model. And so the one, it's this idea of their ecosystem, right? So the one is your smartphone, right? It's like the primary, you know, central important device in the ecosystem, like most ecosystems. And then the four are like extra devices that kind of, you know, enhance your capabilities and your experience with your phone. So they've got a smartphone, which is the one, and then they've got earbuds, smart watches, smart TVs, and a tablet. So let's talk about the one plus pad, which we kind of saw like a le we had a leaky peeky of it, the like was it a couple weeks ago or something? Yeah. and it, we

Jason Howell (00:41:49):
Did have a leaky peeky.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:50):
We did a leaky p we had leaky peeky. Yeah. And we did notice there was quite, there's quite for a tablet, quite a large camera bump. Like, like the pad is also bumping. So what you have

Jason Howell (00:42:04):
Is, yeah, it has that kind of circular design Yeah. Quality to it, even though it's a single lens. It is, yeah. It's large, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:42:10):
It's, it's definitely for a tablet, it's, it's eye-catching. Yeah, it, it totally is. So you've got this machined aluminum aloe design and what is shown is a lovely halo green. Now the screen's interesting in that, yeah, it's, it's 144 hertz, not that surprising, but it has a si seven by five aspect ratio screen. And one plus refers to this as a read fit screen. So it looks like they're trying to come at the angle where you can use this tablet kind of as a reader, right? They want that optimized reading experience. We have a little bit more vertical space just like, you know, say your Kindles and your other kind of e-readers, but it still needs to be a media powerhouse as well as tablets in 2023 do. So it has W Vision H D R Dolby Atmos, and inside there is a mediatech density 9,000 up to 12 gigabytes of Ram in a big battery.

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This battery that the one plus pad will be rocking is 9,510 milliamps. So they claim 14 and a half hours of video watching and to charge up this battery, you've got a 67 watt you've got up to 67 wat charging and they claim full charge in 80 minutes. And you know, they're also coming at it from a productivity angle. So you've got this magnetic keyboard, you've got stylist support, so there's your one plus pad, one of the one plus four plus x, I don't know what the X is in. Yeah. In one plus one small, it may the X factor, right? Like the, the cool factor

Jason Howell (00:43:39):
That's, that's future proofing <laugh>, extreme <laugh>, who knows what that is for the future?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:43:44):
Extreme, yeah. Extreme ecosystem. Yeah. <laugh>. Speaking of which, so so we talked about one quarter of that four that enhances, you know, that OnePlus 11. So if you didn't have enough pro bud options with your AirPod Pro two s and your Samsung Buds two Pro and your Pixel buds Pro One plus says, wait, there's more. Because they have also announced the one plus Buds Pro two. I could not get the various you know combinations of pro and bud like, like clear my notes. So hopefully I haven't messed any of those up. But what you have is $179 U S D second generation Bud's Pro. They're slightly smaller than the first generation with STEM co stem touch controls, but this time they have a dual millimeter and six millimeter driver and they've got this whole like spatial audio thing, which by the way is only available if you're using the Buds Pro two with a OnePlus 11. Ah, and yeah,

Jason Howell (00:44:44):
Ecosystem.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:44):
Yeah, yeah, there you go. Ecosystem magic like pixel, right? The little kind of exclusive, if you kind of, you know, lock into all of our different little features, you get to, you know, unlock the secret, I don't know, Easter egg or special features, which is spatial audio's

Ron Richards (00:45:00):
Stands for.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:01):
There we go. The XFactor of the what you can only get if you kind of collect all the pieces. And so speaking of like that spatial audio, they've really tried to kind of what's the word, kind of liven up or kind of add a little bit of meat to the bone by having collaborations with both Google and Disney Plus. I think with YouTube sorry, Google via YouTube to have s spatial audio support for some title, some content on these streaming services. And on top of that, they actually got Han Zimmer to create a space, a special composition to kind of highlight the spatial audio features. So if you're a Han Zimmer fan, which I mean it, I guess if you're a movie fan, you are, you are you Ahan Han Zimmer fan by default. Anyway if you want you some spatial audio fantasticness, there's that.

(00:45:55):
So get you a OnePlus 11 and these Buds Pro two. So just to wrap it up, they've got 48 decibels of ambient noise cancellation, 25 hours of battery with that noise cancellation on 39 without, and they claim that you can get up to 10 hours of listening with just a 10 minute charge. And of course it is fast para compatible. So if you are interested in the OnePlus 11, you can throw on your buds, bro, two, and you can throw on a one plus pad right on top of that. So there's just ecosystem in all of

Jason Howell (00:46:24):
The places. Oh, all together. And you know, I, I didn't even put in here that they announced a a TV only for the Indian market that's running Google TV as well. So see, that's part of the ecosystem too, if you're in India mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I guess. Yep. So which, which by the way, a lot of people are in India, so that'll benefit a lot of, a

Ron Richards (00:46:44):
Lot of, many,

Jason Howell (00:46:44):
Many people. A lot of them are a lot.

Ron Richards (00:46:47):
Quick note on the topic of earbuds. Our friends over in nothing, by the way. The, the eart stick earbuds that we all love, if you had rid of their website mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, they're having a promotion to tune to Valentine's Day, where you buy one set of ear sticks, you get one free. So, so if you got somebody special in your life that you want to give the eart stick to, now's your chance. Go check that out. One

Jason Howell (00:47:07):
For you. One for me.

Ron Richards (00:47:09):
Yeah. <laugh> very nice of them. And I don't know if they're like clearing stock before

Jason Howell (00:47:13):
Oh

Ron Richards (00:47:13):
Yeah. The next one, like, you know. Yeah. But we'll see. Who knows, who knows what we'll see. Who knows. But we've got even more hardware coming up because this train just can't stop. Right. It

Jason Howell (00:47:25):
Won stop. That's right. Can't stop. Next up more hardware. Sure,

Ron Richards (00:47:32):
Sure. I love a, I love a good bumper. Yeah, I love a good

Jason Howell (00:47:40):
Bumper. So, bumping you bumping tonight.

Ron Richards (00:47:42):
So bumping. So Jason, how was Samsung unpacked last week? Did you, did you have a good time?

Jason Howell (00:47:47):
Yeah, so I, so I did I did solo coverage of Samsung unpacked last Wednesday. So at this point, a full six days ago, six and a half days ago, I,

Ron Richards (00:47:57):
I wanted to join you so badly, but I was in hell last week, so I

Jason Howell (00:47:59):
Apologize. Oh yeah, no, don't sweat it at all. It was totally fine. It was fun to watch the event. The, you know, I, I feel like Samsung was tasteful. Didn't, didn't, although, well I say that, but then they were leaning heavily on the directors and you know, the, the cache of like, whoa, we've got, who was it Bruckheimer or who was the director? Sam Simon. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Director Galaxy S23. I'm suddenly forgetting. Oh, Ridley Scott. There we go. Ridley Scott. Yeah, you know, they had Ridley Scott, they had another director who I was not familiar with his work, but anyways, they were leaning really heavily into this phone being capable on the video front. I'm super curious to know if it is or how it, how it does there. Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:48:44):
Well, so, so here's a quick summary of what came out. So Jason, correct me if I get anything wrong, but so you know, the event was packed and there was, there was some surprises. It had the Galaxy S23, S 23 plus and S 23 Ultra right? As that, that was to be expected. All have mod all have a modified version of the Snapdragon eight gen two quote unquote four Galaxy which is basically overclock to three point th 3.36 gigahertz upgraded gpu. And the chip integrates with camera functions and has dedicated AI focus focus processors. And that all goes on sale on February 17th, which is 10 days from tonight. Today the S 23 Ultra will be $1,200. The Spen docs into the phone, it's got an enormous 6.8 inch Amed QD plus display and up to 240 hertz in gaming mode which is pretty impressive. Up to one terabyte of storage, up to 16 gigabyte of ram. It's got a flush camera housing with 200 megapixel primary camera along with three other lenses. Once again, I feel for anybody who has that, I feel for anybody who has that fear of holes, because those phones have got a whole lot of holes in the back of there. But

Jason Howell (00:49:53):
Whole lot of holes, holes going on, whole

Ron Richards (00:49:55):
Lot on the six of 'em. Geez, man. And as Jason mentioned, you know, a lot of leaning on video, a lot of leaning on directors. They, they, they really emphasize video recording. And they, they say the camera system has a doubled optical image stabilizer to support AK video. So if you are a filmmaker, maybe you use the Samsung phone from now on, maybe not, who knows? So the S 23 plus has got a 6.6 inch display here as we're talking on episode six 16 of Auburn Android. And the S 23 has got a 6.1 inch display. Lots of sixes going on here today. Hmm. both devices have a trim three camera array compared to the ultra. So less holes for you people who are afraid of holes. And lastly, once again, our pal Michelle Mishaal Rahman poll is Twitter followers on system storage usage in light of the S 23 ultra reserving, a whopping 70 gigabyte for system files. So how much space do system files consume on our phones is a great question. Which is, you know, there's a lot of a lot of debate going on about that when, how much, how much storage is on your phone.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:07):
I think I win this, which is another, another thing. You need to win. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:51:11):
You don't wanna win this

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:13):
<Laugh>. So I, I actually did take a screenshot. I looked on my Z fold four which by the way relevant to the, to the conversation because Michelle, Michelle actually followed up with us pre-show not during the pre-show, but before the show. So I drum roll, have 119 Holy gigabytes. Holy moly. Whoa. A system storage,

Jason Howell (00:51:33):
System storage.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:34):
Yeah, that's

Ron Richards (00:51:35):
Insane.

Jason Howell (00:51:36):
And you have a, to a total, so your total capACIty is 512 gigs

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:40):
<Laugh>? Actually yeah. Look at that roll. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:51:45):
Oh, quarter of it. Get drum roll. Sure, why not? Wow. Do you, yeah. Well I guess you wouldn't know. I have, but was it that way when you first like, got the phone and set it up? It was like out of the box 119 gigs of system. Wow. That is insane. I

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:00):
Don't know cuz I, I didn't think curious to check. And so I, I was ready to kind of, you know, get all out. Wait, wait a minute. Before, before we discussed this. Okay. J Ja. Jason? Yeah. Jason. Yeah. Jason. Yes.

Jason Howell (00:52:11):
What do you have? Oh, so I just used the, the one plus 11 5g. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I on table right here, artfully positioned. And it says 20.6 gigs of system storage.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:26):
Oh.

Ron Richards (00:52:27):
Jason, I don't wanna, isn't, I don't wanna one up you here

Jason Howell (00:52:29):
On 2 56. Total capACIty. Just FY act. Mm-Hmm. All right. So Ron, what do you got?

Ron Richards (00:52:34):
I didn't take a screenshot, I'm sorry. Cause I, that's, can't see it work until, until we did the show. But I've got my Pixel seven, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and I just did it. Mm-Hmm. And out of 128 gig total, my system storage is 16 gig.

Jason Howell (00:52:47):
Wow. Selt. Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:51):
Selt. So, so before we all start writing Samsung to complain there, Michelle actually had a really great thread where he goes into a lot more technical detail about the specifics of this. And rather than the fact that maybe rather than maybe Samsung just taking up a whole bunch of system storage, it might actually be inaccurACIes in reporting. Def it's very, it is a very like, kind of deep discussion. So I would just, you know, read the thread if you're curious. But really the way that the Andrew system is calculating this system storage is a little coarse. Like basically it says, okay, how much, oh no, the Tripophobia picture. Okay, I'm gonna cover up Discord outta the corner of my eye. Sorry. So the way that, the way that Android, Android did that, the way that, the way that Android calculates your system storage is basically by process of elimination.

(00:53:43):
So it takes all the storage that you have. Sorry, I'm covering up my mic, so that probably didn't sound great. So it's taking all the storage that you have and then eliminating things like games, media, kind of like kind of basically a kind of set categor set number of categories of things and taking that away from like, the available space. And the rest of it is system storage. So that's oversimplifying it. But it could be just that for some reason on Samsung, this is like extra inaccurate for a lot of technical details. So it may not be that bad. But it's really interesting and it's kind of like as a developer, I thought that was, was kind of fascinating because a lot of times for things like that, you would expect a developer to know like, how much Ram is my phone using?

(00:54:24):
How much Ram do I as a developer, you know, for my app get to use? It's actually really, really hard to tell with Android. And that's partly a factor of the fact that our ecosystem is open and has so many beautiful devices. Being able to tell, kind of like these fundamental, you know, stats about like resources on your app can be really hard to get, like accurate. And so the fact that the calculation is a little bit off doesn't surprise me. And doesn't necessarily matter. But now that people know it really matters <laugh> now that people know that there's a discrepancy. So anyway it's a really interesting thing and, and kind of like just a, I guess effect of it's just kind of this interesting little weird code thing idiocy

Jason Howell (00:55:10):
Also, or whatever.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:11):
Thank you. That's

Jason Howell (00:55:12):
Exactly what, is that the right word I was

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:13):
Thinking of. Yeah, that's, that's exactly the, I was totally gonna tip of my tongue, but yes. 

Jason Howell (00:55:18):
But holy moly, that it doesn't take the sting out of that number. When you look at that, you go, wait a minute, new that

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:24):
Much. Like, why? Yeah. Yeah. 

Jason Howell (00:55:27):
And I mean, we're talking about Samsung here, it mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, at least in the examples that, that, you know, were in the thread, you know, and in the stories and everything. I mean, primarily the, the example that triggered this was the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra, I believe. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And now we're all looking at it and, you know, realizing like, yeah, we've got a lot of storage and system files, but not compared to what Samsung has going on. What we know about Samsung is Samsung has always been heavy on mm-hmm. <Affirmative> features heavy on, you know, at one time we would call it bloat. I dunno if people are really calling it bloat much anymore, but, you know, it's Samsung UI is not a light ui. There is a lot of stuff set in there and that stuff takes up space, like it just does. So if you like all that stuff, maybe that's just the trade off. It's stuff that you wouldn't have had to install otherwise, which would take up space too.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:24):
I, I did try to see if I could uninstall some Samsung, like pre-installed apps, but I discovered that I had already deleted all the ones that I could delete when I first got the before <laugh>, so I couldn't actually test that.

Jason Howell (00:56:36):
Yeah. But yeah. So you're stuck with it. Yeah, I did put into the Doc Burke at the bottom of this Samsung block, the Ridley Scott film that he made with the Samsung phones. Thank you to who is it? Scooter X and chat in irc, who, who linked us to that, if y'all wanna see what this camera is, is supposedly capable of. Right. But, and we've seen this before, this isn't the first time that we've seen like films shot with a mobile phone. And you look at it and of course you, you watch and you're like, wow, that looks really good. You could get this phone and you could make a motion picture and everything. But you also really also, you know, you have to understand that these kinds of things aren't just made with like someone holding a smartphone. Like it's a smartphone that's rigged up, you know, on a, on a gimbal stabilizer and a gimbal. And I mean, there's a crew and you know, there's a whole lot that go and there's probably, I'm guessing image sweetening that happened after the fact to really pull out the, the colors and it doesn't look. So it looks okay. I don't know. Is it on 4k? Do you have it set to 4K right now? Or what is it set to if you go?

Ron Richards (00:57:47):
Well, while we're checking that for audio listeners, this this clip is on YouTube. If you just search Ridley Scott

Jason Howell (00:57:54):
Yeah, seven 20

Ron Richards (00:57:56):
Galaxy S two s 23 Ultra. You'll find it, make it look a lot better.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:00):
Oh, that's a little

Jason Howell (00:58:00):
Better. I know that looks pretty, pretty good, but yeah, I mean, some of the darker stuff, you lose a little of that clarity, but still, I mean, the lighting

Burke (00:58:08):
And it, it looks like it's kind of BBC sort of

Jason Howell (00:58:13):
That's the style. Yeah. Or, or is that, like, do you

Burke (00:58:16):
Think that they want to shoot a promotional video with, in somewhere that had a lot better lighting?

Jason Howell (00:58:20):
Yeah. Or I don't know. I dunno. It's moody. It's okay. It's moody.

Burke (00:58:24):
Not, not fantastic.

Jason Howell (00:58:25):
Yeah. Anyways, anyways, I think that iPhone has, has really for the longest time been very superior in many ways when it comes to recorded video. And so, and I would say that my experience with Samsung's Ultra devices the past three to four years has been that those are the devices that I get the best video out of. So Samsung's onto something, they continue to improve their video and I think it, it's right up there with what, what an Apple iPhone can do. So I'm happy to see them do that. The pixel pales in comparison, in my opinion, when it comes to video quality. You know, a lot of the video that I've gotten out of the Pixel has been fine, but not, not impressive. And I've gotten a lot of really impressive stuff out of the Samsung video capabilities. So, so yeah.

Ron Richards (00:59:17):
Yeah. Cool. So we will see what great movies get made on an S 23 Ultra

Jason Howell (00:59:22):
Now <laugh>, so Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah, it's someone's calling card. Someone's gonna make a movie with it. And that'll be the what gets it, all the buzz just to wait and see. It's not like that hasn't happened before. I don't know the name of the new, but, but I remember some, some years ago there was a movie that got a bunch of buzz and it was shot with like an iPhone or

Ron Richards (00:59:42):
Something. I feel like every, every couple of years that

Jason Howell (00:59:44):
Happens, that happens, right? Totally. So, because there's a lot of people using their phones to shoot, you know, something and try and, you know, we're just used to it cuz YouTube <laugh>.

Ron Richards (00:59:53):
But Jason, what if you had a phone with a one-inch camera sensor?

Jason Howell (00:59:57):
Yeah, I, I could, I could dominate

Ron Richards (01:00:00):
Do, do you think?

Jason Howell (01:00:01):
So I could make a movie that's even better than Ridley Scott could make.

Ron Richards (01:00:05):
And what would you use to do that?

Jason Howell (01:00:08):
<Laugh>? Maybe the Vivo X 90 Pro, I don't know, just throwing that out there as a random, pull it out of the air. Or maybe it's not random. Maybe Vivo had an announcement that the X 90 PRO is coming to more markets. This was first actually announced for the Chinese market. Now getting an international release, though international does not necessarily mean the us it's not getting a US release. But in other places you, you'll be able to find it. It does actually have something in common with the OnePlus 11. If you look at it, right, you see the OnePlus 11, you got the big circular camera and sure enough, boom, there you go. There's the Vivo with its own. The Vivo X 90 Pro, with its own circular camera bump, similar, but you know, still a little different uses the hyped at this point.

(01:01:02):
Sony one inch 50 megapixel imx 9 89 sensor vbo vivo says it has excellent low light capability. And then aside from the cameras, it has 6.78 inch 1260 p o lead display has the media tech density, 9,200 processor 12 gigs of Ram 256 gigs of internal storage. 120 watts wired charging 50 watts of wireless charging, 120 watts wire charging, that's fast. And then price for the pro, when you convert it out, I mean, this is not like an oh, this phone's gonna be, you know, give you a bunch for, for cheap. It's not the one plus model 1174 when you convert. So this is like, this is top of the line premium, you know, smartphone you're just not, you're gonna be hard pressed to find it here in the us So there you go. One inch camera sensor, put that in your vivo phone and smoke it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:03):
<Laugh> <laugh>, I, I keep wanting these phones with this one inch Sony sensor <laugh>, I just, I just wanna, I just wanna try

Jason Howell (01:02:09):
It. Yeah, I know.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:02:10):
Like, I just wanna try it. There was like the original Sony phone, like the Rx something, something and then like that this one is just like, it's just taunting me. Like, hey, one inch sensor, but you're not gonna get hey, international Launch, but not in the us.

Jason Howell (01:02:21):
Yep. Yep. One thing I wanna point out real quick because I, I realized as I was putting this show together that I have a little bit of a bias, I've had a little bit of a bias when I see the words media tech and I immediately think, oh, like I immediately go, oh, and I, I just wanna point out that the media tech processor, the density 9,200 that's used in this phone, and then in the one plus pad, the media tech density 9,000, same family, right? They go toe to toe with like modern Snap Dragons. So these are, these were announced late last year to my memory, and they are high end processors. So I'm realizing when I was putting this to together today, like I'm happy I read up on it and everything cuz it's like, okay, I need to rewrite this like, legacy thought that I have around media tech.

(01:03:14):
Because usually on this show for years when we talk media tech, we're talking low end phones or, you know, or my experience with media tech processors has not always been that great. And it's just important to note that like, they're actually doing, they're actually making moves right now and, and, and putting out processors that are doing a lot more than they used to. They're a lot more capable and they're actually being used in flagships now. So something to consider, if you hear me Media Tech and have the same response as I do, you know, consider consider doing some reading on the, the latest processors and you'll see they've come a long way. Good for you.

Ron Richards (01:03:51):
Good for you, Jason, for acknowledging your

Jason Howell (01:03:53):
Bias. <Laugh>. Well, I mean, I, I just, I, I don't know. I don't, I don't know if you're serious or joking right now, but No,

Ron Richards (01:04:01):
I'm serious. No, you acknowledge that. Like when you hear it, you have an assumption. And then, and that may not be accurate, you know, like, yeah, good

Jason Howell (01:04:06):
Job. When I was reading up on, well, it struck me when I was reading up on the one plus pad. Yeah. I was like, oh really? Oh,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:14):
I had that reaction too.

Jason Howell (01:04:16):
Wait a minute. They keep saying this is flagship, but it's media tech. Yeah. But then I was like, well, wait a minute. That's right. We talked about this on the show last year, and it is a solid processor. It's just not Snapdragon, which hey, competition's actually a good thing. So mm-hmm. <Affirmative> it is important to remember that. So anyways, that's all I got on that. And then win, you've got the last one before. We're we round out hardware?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:41):
Yeah, well what's a phone that we can get here in the US doesn't have a wanted processor. What is a phone that we can get here in the us

Jason Howell (01:04:49):
<Laugh>? Google makes it relatively easy to get the pixel phones

Huyen Tue Dao (01:04:53):
That that's right. That that is true. Okay. And, and in fact, yes. Okay. 3d. I'm not trying Pixel 3d. 3D <laugh>. So in fact, the Pixel phones that we can get here in the us at least the six A seven and seven Pro have been the best selling generations generations of phones that Google has ever launched. So it's earning call. So those within the tech company, you're just kind of wondering how much your equity is going up and down, but there's usually some important news coming out and some positive news in the middle of all the mm. Less positive contentious news that we're hearing from Google between layoffs and, you know, trying to catch up to g Chat GPT is sunar Bati announcing that, yes, the latest rounds of the Pixel pixel phones have been basically gaining share in every market. In, in like, they're basically over year, over year are, are gaining shares, which is great news because usually, you know, with the kind of news and economic environment that, you know, all the big tech companies are experiencing, we all are experiencing things, you know, that don't do well probably gonna end up in, you know, that, that, that killed by Google Graveyard. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, but it looks like the pixels will not be that way. So we can still hold, hold out hope for the Pixel tablet, pixel eight, and hopefully foldable

Jason Howell (01:06:18):
Google has not yet gotten bored of the pixel line is what you're

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:22):
Saying? No, no. I mean, it, it seems like when at the Pixel event that they're really just triple and double, triple quadrupling down on hardware. And I mean, it, it seems that the numbers that they are seeing, you know, in this latest generation of phones in regards to sales either confirms that are back set up or at least, you know, gives us hope that we can continue to see more hardware from them if nothing else. So yeah, there you go. Six, a seven and seven pro bestselling generation of Google phones.

Jason Howell (01:06:49):
So good news. And I, I want to know, I wanna know what we'll probably never do know. Like, I want numbers <laugh> like what what'd you have before? What do you got now? Yeah. You know, it's real

Ron Richards (01:07:01):
Easy to talk, it's real easy to talk in percentages. It

Jason Howell (01:07:03):
Is, things

Ron Richards (01:07:05):
Like that. But what are, what are the, what are the real

Jason Howell (01:07:07):
Numbers? If you sold even one more phone this se this time around than the last one, then you could say, we've outsold. Well, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying that's doing that. I trust, I trust that they're, you know, telling the truth when they say this. But I want to know by what degree, because I mean, the overall sales of Pixel phones by and large, you know, to date are still a pretty small number by comparison. But, but I mean, at the same time, like we talk about Pixel on this show a lot because we like the Pixel, you know, and we think Google's doing at least I can speak for myself. I think Google's doing a lot of things right. They just aren't selling as many of them as personally, I think they deserve to. So hopefully that number continues to go up

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:52):
Ecosystem. We'll see how it pays off.

Jason Howell (01:07:54):
Yeah. Right.

Ron Richards (01:07:55):
Ecosystem,

Jason Howell (01:07:56):
Ecosystem. Eco E systematizing, systeming, systeming. I like

Huyen Tue Dao (01:08:00):
Systeming like extra. We need the extras. We need the extra

Jason Howell (01:08:03):
Syllabus. I know. How can we help broaden out the, the salic impact of that sentence. All right, well up next we've got some email and even a voicemail. AAA twi TV 3, 4, 7 show a a a I say 3, 4, 7 show a, a a so often and yet we rarely get calls except this guy Mel who got the call who heard that and said, Hey, I'll give you a call. Check it out.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
So guys, I know you put out a call that you want to use your Google Voice number, so you're getting a Google Voice number from my Google Voice number. It smelled from the Midwest Great show. A little bit long, but always worth listening to. The short question is, I have a Google six A I don't love it, but I like it. It's working fine. It seems to be getting better. And I have a fossil hybrid smartwatch, which I really never loved, but never had the energy to get rid of and did not wanna waste the money. So I never buy new products because that in multiple different venues. Cause the first thing is not always the best, but I'm looking to replace the, the Fossil hybrid Galaxy Watch Four seems good, but is there a significant disadvantage since I do not have a Samsung Samsung product to use it with?

(01:09:29):
My other choice was a tick watch Pro three, which I've seen some really good reviews. I, I'm really primary looking at getting messages on my wrist. I don't have to look at my phone when I'm doing stuff. Obviously telling time, weather routine stuff. I'm not a fitness buff, so I'm not really wild about bad jazz. Sleep tracking might be nice. My Fossil used to last a whole two weeks, now it's down to one week. So at some point I'm gonna have to get it. I don't really want to charge every night. Let me know what you think. Great show and keep on trucking.

Jason Howell (01:10:07):
We will keep on trucking. Thank you. And you keep on trucking too, Mel. Yeah, so if you're getting the Galaxy Watch four, you're right. There are some features that are tied only to to the scenario where you have the watch and a Samsung phone and it kind of sounds like what you're talking about, some of the things that you do and do not care about kind of fall into that feature set, right? What you're talking about is pretty basic stuff. You want notification, triage, you want the time, maybe you wanna make a call. Maybe I didn't even hear you say that, but you know, I'm thinking like basic kind of uses of what the smartphone does outside of fitness tracking, which is where things get more complicated. And, and a lot of watches try and differentiate themselves based on the kind of the fitness features.

(01:10:55):
So what you don't get, if you have a Galaxy Watch for and you don't have a Samsung phone, you don't get the E C G reading, you don't get the Blood Pressure monitoring. So those are things that maybe you wouldn't care about. They're a little bit more fitnessy. Remote smartphone camera. Didn't really hear anything in what you're talking about that says that you want that, that that seems like a feature that's nice to have, but not a total reason why you buy a smartwatch. Samsung's ar emoji watch faces. Yeah, forget about it. You don't need that. So galaxy Watch four might actually be a pretty solid choice. Plus it's a Samsung watch and I mean, I feel like their wearables are pretty bang on for the most part, but we've also had a lot of people on this network and on this show specifically talk about the Tick watches in recent months, right?

(01:11:44):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, like I feel like the Tick Watch is this theme that keeps on coming back month after month. Someone comes on and they're like, oh, I love my tick watch Pro three. So you, you know, you could probably save some money going with the Tick Watch Pro three. I can't speak from firsthand experience as far as that watch is concerned, but like I said, we've had a lot of people on that have liked it. So I think either of those is probably a, a solid a solid choice. I'm almost thinking that maybe the Tick Watch is the more I is the one to go with perhaps more over the Galaxy Watch four. You'll save some money. I think if you do the Tick Watch Pro three. And it'll probably do all the same things that the Galaxy Watch would do, you know, kind of your limited use case.

(01:12:31):
I think it would be fine and much better battery life reportedly. Exactly. Yes. That's what I was just kinda scrambling to try and figure out. Cause I remember that was one of the kind of selling points and if you Yeah. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, if you want a longer Battery, I think you get that more so from the Tick Watch than you do the Galaxy Watch for. Yeah, it's got the dual screen. It has the dual screen says Burke, not in the microphone <laugh>, but anyways. Yeah. And I'm looking right now. Tick watch Pro three online Mavoy tick watch from Mavoy right now on sale. 200 bucks, normally 300 bucks. It's on sale right now for 200. So now would be a good time. You'll save yourself a hundred bucks. You'll save yourself 33%. So there you go. How do you like that for math? So I hope that's helpful, Mel. Thanks for calling in and leaving a voicemail. We really appreciate it. It keeps our <laugh>, our Google Voice account active <laugh>.

Ron Richards (01:13:32):
Keeps it alive.

Jason Howell (01:13:33):
Yeah. Keeps it alive. Exactly. <laugh>, thank you for saving us

Ron Richards (01:13:37):
<Laugh>. Yes. All right. We got a long one coming up here for the second email of the evening. Josh writes in and says since Ron gave me the no location glare, the last time I sent an email, I figured I'll tell you, I'm from Steve Martin's favorite town, Tara Haunt Indiana. And don't worry, Ron, I'm joking about the glare. Oh, thank God. I'm glad he's joking. Thanks Josh. All right. So Jessica's on further to say, but in All About Android six 15, the red shirts are coming episode, which was last week's episode. You mentioned just recipe as a way to get to get the recipe from any blogger webpage. There's also an app that'll help you do that called Paprika Recipe Manager three, though I would also recommend getting the Windows version that Hindsight Labs makes. They also have a Mac and iOS versions pay for the PC Mac version because it not only is supporting your devs, but the features for this little ecosystem are amazing.

(01:14:25):
Since you can link the recipe database from apps to the Mac and PC versions. The PC version has a built-in Chrome browser that you can copy the URL for a recipe in, and then you can use the app to put all the information into a recipe card. You can even scale up and down the number of servings and needed ingredients follow suit. Nice. That's amazing. That's very cool. That's magic. You can pick a number of recipes that'll help you create a shopping list to make sure you don't leave the store with too little of any ingredient. Even better, you can categorize the recipes and even tell the app what you have in the pantry right now. Granted now the Windows app is about $30, but since the developer's handling the cloud part of the app to, to me the price makes sense, though, in the past, if you purchased an older version and then upgraded to a new version, they did offer a discount on the upgrade.

(01:15:05):
 And then he says the Assorted Food Sidekick app has a lot of these features as well. And they have a food channel on YouTube for several years, along with podcasts and even live livestream shows. I don't have the sidekick app, but I've watched the YouTube channel for the PA for the last few years. Both of these apps can help us all with wasting less food by overbuying or never knowing what we need to make when we need to make something when we get to the store. Or knowing what you have at home while in the store. And Josh, these are awesome. I, I, I think these are awesome recommendations. I love food. I love cooking. Clearly you like food and cooking way more than I do because this is a lot of thought and effort into what goes into it. I have heard of Paprika.

(01:15:41):
Yeah. in the past. It's, it's really powerful. The scaling of servings is such a key thing with that, you know, cuz you know, you're cooking for two, you're cooking for six, it all changes. And that math is hard. So that's really, really cool. And yeah, it's just great to, you know, spread the awareness. You know, cooking is a joy. I, if I can share, if me and Josh can share with you and you can, you know, use one of these apps to help enhance your cooking, then, then we've made a step in the right direction. So, thank you Josh. Nice team cooking. There it is. So,

Jason Howell (01:16:09):
Love it.

Ron Richards (01:16:10):
I, that said, I, I like just the recipe cuz it's just dead simple. I just find a recipe, a boom, I hit it. And that's all I need. I, I don't have time to do all this otherwise

Jason Howell (01:16:18):
<Laugh>, you'd have the time, but yeah,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:22):
I'm gonna get sorted. Food. I really appreciate this recommendation, Josh, because my, my husband Josh and I have been cooking a lot and, and then working with the nutritionist, so I can't help it see this. It's gonna be super valuable. Also, just looking really quickly, what's really awesome is that the app looks well designed per platform. The Android app looks like an Android app. The iOS app looks like an iOS app, and that's it. That's saying a lot. That's, that's, that is so hard to find. Yeah. So, yep. From a dev, I'm, I'm excited to download it and use it. Hey. And wow, 4.9 4.9 on the play store. That's really hard to do.

Jason Howell (01:16:58):
Oh, hundred thousand plus downloads. Is it what this, the next step up from a hundred thousand, is it, would it show 200,000 or would it show like 500,000? Ooh,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:07):
I think it's

Ron Richards (01:17:07):
200, right?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:08):
A quarter million. A a quarter thousand. Yeah. Quarter million. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:17:10):
Quarter million a quarter. Two quarter million. Okay. So it's anywhere between 102 hundred 49,000, whatever. Cool. Yeah, definitely. We, I I feel like somewhere in the, in the annals of All About Android, we have talked about paprika at one point or another. I don't know if we've brought it into the arena or whatever, but it was really, remember hearing familiar about it. Yeah. I feel like I feel like it's come up. Maybe it's come up in another Yeah. Another feedback section or something, but cool stuff. Thank you, Josh. And when you have the honors

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:43):
Yes, it is now time for the email of the week, and we have a very thought provoking email of the week this week from Jeremiah P. I'd like to weigh in my thoughts on AI versus creativity. The only parallel I could draw that makes sense is hand loom industry. It took a big hit for hand loom industry with the rise of power looms. But that didn't mean the hand loom workers were robbed of their craft by automation of the weaving process. Still the power loons were designed based on the creative works of hand weavers and just made it an easily scalable industry. Right now, people have the need for some meaningless backgrounds and their presentations that they use only once. Why do they need to pay royalties to an actual artist and use their work when they can just ask the AI to generate a background that matches the mood of the content. Write an articulated le articulated le letter of recommendation and paraphrase it, or an application to their boss asking for a raise, especially when English is not their first language. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Jeremiah p from Toronto.

Jason Howell (01:18:48):
Hmm. Or, yeah, as Burke whispered into our ears an Android news bit. I mean, you know, why, why write it yourself when you can have an ai do it? I dunno. I mean, I thi this, this resonates with me and how I feel about AI right now. At least AI as we're seeing it in, in these tools, these creative kind of avenues and stuff is, it doesn't, it doesn't, I'm not, I'm not fearful of AI coming along and, and rendering artists or musicians or authors or whatever, like out of a job and, and useless because mm-hmm. <Affirmative> like, you know, throughout history, technology has come along that has done things that makes things that used to be, you know, used to require a lot, a lot of a lot more work or a certain skillset or whatever technology has come to make that easier or to change how that is done.

(01:19:47):
And sure, there are probably examples of that, eliminating the thing entirely. But, but I don't, I just don't see that happening with creativity. Creativity is something that is, that is inherently a human quality. I mean, it's just part of humanity is to be creative, you know? So I just see these, like, I guess the, the way that I think about it is like Photoshop was a tool that when it first came on the scene, you remember everybody freaking out. Like, oh, so now you're gonna copy everything. Photocopier is another thing. Oh. So you can photocopy books. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So books are gonna go away. Like no one's gonna buy books anymore because it's photocopier. It'll, it all like works itself out. It becomes a tool that enables other things that didn't exist prior to it. And we will broaden our skillset and we'll become different types of authors or different types of artists or different types of musicians or whatever. I don't think that it replaces, but I can be wrong,

Ron Richards (01:20:42):
But, well, I mean, but also, but some, some of the issues around it, those that the path, the path, you know, the, the path of progress is laid with good intentions, right? Yeah. And, and the, the fact that we've already seen AI art generators like Lenza, you know, the name one specifically that was super popular like last, last month when everybody was doing it. Like I have, I have lots of friends who are artists. I have lots of friends who are, you know, that are both, you know, comic book artists, but then also do a lot of fine art. Yeah. I've posted lots of artists live and Thrive online, which means they put a lot of, you know, JPEGs and stuff like that of their artwork out there with the hopes that people back them through patronage or by buying pieces or getting commissions or things like that. And there have been numerous, numerous, numerous examples of AI based artwork that is using existing artist artwork to feed the, the AI mind to the point where the AI generated artwork still has the signature of the artist. Yeah. Because the AI wasn't smart enough to realize it was the signature. Right. So Jason, I agree with you that like, it, it's gonna become another tool in the toolbox. It's gonna be another way to generate stuff, but we gotta get through this messy part first. And

Jason Howell (01:21:50):
Yeah, it's super messy right now. I I don't, I don't disagree with you at all. I don't think that the way it's set up right now is perfect. I think you're absolutely right. Like the way it's pulling there, there has to be some way and, and you actually put this link in here, stable attribution when Yeah. Stable attribution.com. There has to be a way to attribute, there has to be, like, we were talking about this on Tech News Weekly last week, and this is so far afield from Android, but that's okay. I'm loving it. Is is that we need, we need some form of right to be forgotten when it comes to ai. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if I as an artist truly don't want my art to be part of a, of a set, like I should have the ability to say no. And how does that, and, and we're at the beginning stages of all this. So those systems, those, those, you know, that that mechanism to, to do that hasn't been created yet. And it's gonna be messy until we get there. But I think we're we'll get there.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:49):
Yeah, so I, I basically feel the way that y'all do. I mean, I, I feel like ai, even though it's scary and it feels a little more outta control, is not much different than photography. You know, being, you know, like the leap from painting and, you know, other kind of more manual ways of creating an image to photography, to television, to film to the internet itself. And as you said, Ron, it gets messy. I mean, the internet itself, you know, at, at times is just rife with, you know, stealing of content, stealing of ip. It's so easy just to copy a jpeg, send it to someone else. And so artists have had to battle that, you know, still, I mean, it's still an issue when someone steals your work and they don't credit you. Like Yeah. Losing revenue, losing credit.

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So and yeah, we, we we're not, we're not there yet either with just the simple idea of someone stealing art and being able to, you know, get attribution and get, you know, whatever, you know, value that that person has put out, you know, back to them in those kind of cases. And, and I mean, I, I do, I do agree. I think AI is probably gonna be the same way and to kind of, I guess give some maybe points of hope. So I guess I guess to be transparent, I have a very good friend that works at Stability ai. So I, I'm following them a little more closely than normal. But in December, I think Stability did announce that it would plan to allow artists to kind of opt out of being included in stable diffusion, which is a step it would've been.

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I agree. And, and people have said this, it would been nice as that was opt-in from the beginning. And so the thing that actually that Burke was linking is something called stable attribution. So this tries to take a piece of AI art and deconstruct it into the comp, the composite, you know, original art. So I think, you know, it, it would be nice if Stable stability, AI was, I, I mean, I don't know who's doing this. I don't think it's someone at Stability ai, it seemed from the site that it's like two independent people working very hard to kind of, you know, reverse engineer, you know, art. And so you see there's already people coming with solutions, you know, there's already like, pressure being put on these companies to do the right thing. You know, like stability, AI is being, you know, sued by Getty.

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 And it kind of funny because yeah, like they were scraping Getty and Getty images, like little Watermark was getting in there. So I, yep. I, I, I'm hopeful, but it's just like any other technology, a Pandora's box get op gets opened, and it's us to us as a society, as technologists, as people, as artists, as whoever you are in life that gets affected by this to, you know you know, raise awareness, do the work that you can and be, you know and, and drive consci conscientious guardrails and, you know you know, fixing of any kind of loopholes and, and situations that might, you know, hurt the original artist. So it's messy. But I think overall, just I agree. Yep, hon. P it'll, it'll be a while though. And we definitely need to be careful. I'm, I'm generally like, especially as a programmer and technologist type person and general, like super cautious about stuff. So I, I would like to see more caution and more things like this, like opting out and reverse engineering be put into play.

Burke (01:26:09):
I would like to point out that, that that many of the processes that have sort of automated things in the past have all been mechanical in general, and this is like a creative one, and it's like, it's a lot blurrier and it's sort of self-driven, and that part we've never really experienced

Jason Howell (01:26:28):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. Yep. Well, it's messy, no doubt about it. I feel like, Ron, I feel like you were gonna say something.

Ron Richards (01:26:38):
Yeah, I, I, I was, I was just gonna say that it's, it's, you know, it's is, I, I've talked about it on the show a lot, Jason, over the years, about how much I wanna live in the science fiction future, right? Yeah. Like, I wanna, I, you know, I, I'm, I'm a big subscriber to the Roddenberry vision of the future, and like the, you know, what we've seen in the Star Trek and we talked about The Expanse and other, like, I love, like, the future that we can, we're that's so close, yet so far away we can, we feel like we can almost touch it, but it's still, you know, we're, it's still, you know, down the road. And we hope to see cool stuff like that emerge in our lifetime. But as I get older and see stuff goes through this, like, all that stuff we've read about science fiction is very hard to get there.

(01:27:14):
And it is like, and, and so much of technology has been fueled by the imagination of science fiction and the imagination of people who are creative and all this sort of stuff and mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and, you know, to be able to go to a computer one day go, you know, to say, Hey, computer give, you know, give me a piece of art of a hillside with kids running down it in a sunny day and like, be able to get a bespoke piece of artwork. But it, it, it is a lot easier to write that concept down in a paragraph in prose than it is to make it happen in reality. Yeah. So, so, you know but, you know, I'm all four people trying and just to, to win to your point, just, you know, do it ethically that that's the, that's the, that's the

Jason Howell (01:27:49):
Challenge. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> at the end of the day, there are humans that, that will be impacted by these tools. Yeah. And I, yeah, I, I by no means want to like, disregard that fact either, like, I recognize why people are, are very intimidated and in some ways scared of this technology. I totally get it, you know? Yep. I also don't know how you stop it from happening, you know, like, no, you can't, I I don't think you do. I don't think you can't, the genie's outta the bottom. So anyone who's totally, who's sitting into the side saying, no, this can't happen, these tools cannot exist. Like, nope. I just don't know that. Yeah. I don't think that's possible. I don't think you put that genie back in the bottle. So how do you look? It's

Ron Richards (01:28:29):
Ignorant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's totally ignorant.

Jason Howell (01:28:31):
Yeah. Yep. Anyways, the email of the week had nothing to do with Android <laugh> <laugh>,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:28:39):
But a lot of in-depth, like thought provoking discussions about the future.

Jason Howell (01:28:44):
See anything's possible in the email of the week. There you go. Congratulations, Jeremiah. All right, we've reached the end of this episode of All About Android and in parenthesis and sometimes ai. Thank you for watching and listening. When, what do you wanna leave people with?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:04):
I'm an Android developer. That is my day job. And if you're interested in android dev type stuff that I do you can find my talk code and videos listed at my website, randomly typing.com. And on the other socially type interwebs, I'm usually Queen Code Monkey. I hope it's usually me like on Instagram and stuff like that too. So you can check me out there. Oh, and I guess, oh, by the way if you're a part of Club Twit, you can see me having a fireside chat with the wonderful Anne Pruit this Thursday. 

Jason Howell (01:29:36):
Yeah, that's right.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:37):
Yes, live. And sorry, I don't know much about the fireside check cause I've never done one before, so, but yeah, that's happening on Thursday. And presumably if you're part of Club Tour, you can see it later.

Jason Howell (01:29:45):
It'll be about you talking to you with questions for you. So <laugh>, do you happen to know, I I didn't write down the time. Do you know what time that is on Thursday?

Huyen Tue Dao (01:29:56):
It is. Hold on. Checking. It is, it is 10

Jason Howell (01:30:00):
Now. Wait,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:00):
Is it PACIfic

Jason Howell (01:30:01):
9:00 AM PACIfic Am

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:02):
It's

Jason Howell (01:30:02):
10 Mountain. John Ashley was in here flashing fingers up like, oh, it's 10. Okay. It's 2030 <laugh> 40. No,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:10):
It's what time is it? How

Jason Howell (01:30:11):
Long? Nine Fire

Huyen Tue Dao (01:30:12):
Gonna be? It's, yeah, it's nine PACIfic. Sorry, I I did think 10 because Mountain Time, but nine PACIfic.

Jason Howell (01:30:18):
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. 9:00 AM PACIfic. Awesome stuff. Well, thank you win. And I'm looking forward to the fireside Chat Sounds fun. Ron, what do you wanna leave people with?

Ron Richards (01:30:33):
Not much. You can go over do Twitter or to Instagram and follow me at Ron xo. And if you're in a pinball, check out Corbit over@corbit.io on the web or in the Google Play story. Download the, the version the latest version of the mobile app. Keep track of your pinball scores and just everybody have a good time all the time. That's all I ask of everyone,

Jason Howell (01:30:49):
So. That's right. Well, thank you, Ron. Thank you, Victor. Thank you Burke. Thank you John Ashley for flashing Fingers at me just a few minutes ago. <Laugh>, I was trying to add up. I was so confused. Thanks to everyone behind the scenes helping us do this show each and every week. Couldn't do it without you even Chat J p t had a part in this week's show, and I just want to thank you my robot overlord. I, I want to thank them too. Yeah, because yeah, you

Huyen Tue Dao (01:31:17):
Gotta be nice. We gotta be nice.

Jason Howell (01:31:19):
Yeah, you didn't, you didn't have the, you know, come up with your your news bumper this week, so at least that was a, a little bit of a load off of you this time. I have a job for at least another week. There you go. That's all we can hope for, right? You can find me at Jason Howell on Twitter, twi social slash at Jason Howell on Mastodon doing Tech News weekly every Thursday with Micah Sergeant. Lot of fun there. Twit TV slash tnw. And as Win mentioned just a few moments ago, club Twit is awesome. If you, you know, have been living under a, a rock, well then you, you know, haven't heard about Club Twit, and I just don't believe <laugh> Club Twit is an ad free subscription tier for all of our shows. So no ads. You get exclusive TWIT plus podcast feed content, tons of extra content, including fireside chats, like the one that win is participating with in on Thursday with Aunt Pruitt.

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 And a members only Discord. $7 a month. You can pay for a full year, $84 per year if you like, but $7 a month gets you access to all the things we got going on twit TV slash club twit. And as for this show, all you need to know is twit.tv/a AA for All About Android. Go there, subscribe. And you know, you probably already did that anyways, but if you haven't, go do it. And then you don't ever have to think about it anymore. We will appear as if it were magic in your ears. Thank you for watching and listening. We'll see you next time. Not all about Andrew. Bye everybody.

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Jason Howell (01:33:47):
Thank you everybody. Oh, let's see here. So just real quick, let's see here. So Chat GPT new Chat Don't do it. Make an intro for the all about.

Burke (01:34:01):
No, no, no, no. Not the intro.

Jason Howell (01:34:02):
Oh, that's right. It's a tease. Make a's a tease, make a tease for the All About Android podcast. That includes the following topics.

Burke (01:34:13):
Next time there's a, there's a ho, a co-host or host that asks me, Hey, so Burke, what do want miss to do here now? And I always go I can just ask him to ask Chap. GPT

Jason Howell (01:34:23):
I know it's, it's kind of a crutch. 

Burke (01:34:27):
No, it's a relief

Jason Howell (01:34:31):
Version of Android apostrophe. I gotta make sure I have this. All right, your email and a voicemail. Thanks. Following topics.

Burke (01:34:44):
Oh, yeah. The other thing we're you're supposed to do is we make podcasts and episode names.

Jason Howell (01:34:49):
Oh, it said there was an error generating my response. Why?

Burke (01:34:52):
Well, there you go. I told you not to ask. Well

Jason Howell (01:34:55):
I'm, I may thrown it off with some some quotation marks and Eric occurred. If this continues. Thumbs down Chat GPT.

Burke (01:35:10):
Jason broke Chat G p

Jason Howell (01:35:12):
T. Okay. Refresh. Oh, oh, it's working now. <Laugh>

Burke (01:35:28):
Still broke or, or is that a laugh of entertainment?

Jason Howell (01:35:32):
I mean, it's, it's creating something that's usable. <Laugh>,

Burke (01:35:39):
Read it.

Jason Howell (01:35:41):
Tune in to the latest episode of all that Android for a jam-packed show. Boy, do we have a jam-packed show. We've got the scoop on the brand new OnePlus 11 5g, the scooping that it's in my hands. And the exciting announcement of the one plus Pad. Plus, we'll be breaking down all the details from Samsung's unpacked event and the highly anticipated Galaxy S23 Ultra. And that's not all folks. Get ready to transform your phone into a webcam and take control of your digital identity with the alpha version of Android's new credential manager. And don't forget to listen for listener emails and voicemails. It's All About Android, so don't miss it. That was actually pretty damn solid. That

Burke (01:36:21):
Was, that was a, that was a laugh of nervousness at how good it was.

Jason Howell (01:36:25):
That was not bad. That was not bad right here. Not bad. I mean, I had to, I had to put in some, some flourishes in there. But well, that was,

Burke (01:36:38):
I hope so, because that would be really creepy if you knew all that already from like, oh yeah, we watch. It's watching the show.

Jason Howell (01:36:45):
I mean, yeah, it did a pretty good job. Wasn't that's, that's pretty impressive

Burke (01:36:53):
Book. Mark

Jason Howell (01:36:55):
<Laugh>. This might be my new tool for tease writing. I'm telling you, this is Jason. It's way easier.

Burke (01:37:07):
Artists never tells their

Jason Howell (01:37:10):
Tool. I mean, I'm gonna delete my account and never use chat GPT ever again, and I'm not gonna talk about it anymore either. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Bye-Bye.

Burke (01:37:19):
Good. Neither will I, <laugh>.

Jason Howell (01:37:22):
All right. That is that's the topper. We've reached the end of this, this this little event we cAll About Android. I'm gonna do my other work now. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Thank you Uncle Bick for being in Chat But Uncle Bick says, this is my favorite show of the week. Hmm. Especially live. Glad to be here, live this week. Always a great show in Chat Thank you. Makes me feel so good.

Burke (01:37:45):
My favorite too.

Jason Howell (01:37:47):
Makes me feel so good. All right.