All About Android Episode 558 Transcript

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Jason Howell  (00:00:00):
Coming up next on All About Android. The first episode of 2022, it's me, Jason Howell, Ron Richards, and our guest Ryan Hager from Android police. Ryan actually goes hands-on with the newly announced and revealed galaxy S21 fan edition. Also the OnePlus 10 Pro is getting official. We've plenty of details there. Android 13, Tiramisu. That's right. Not Android, 12 L but the next version of Android is apparently Tiramisu, Pixel 6 update delays galore. So many delays, so many delays, more disappointment for surface duo owners. And we spend some quality time with the Android hall of fame, all that more coming up next on All About Android.

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Jason Howell  (00:00:54):
This episode of All About Android is brought to you by Streak. Whether you're tracking sales, fundraising, hiring or support streak is a CRM that will help you stay on top of all your processes directly inside Gmail. Get 20% off your first year of their pro plan. Their most popular option, by the way, by going to streak.com/a AA. Hello, welcome to all up out Android episode, 558 recorded on Tuesday, January 4th, 2022. It's gonna be taking me some time to get used to saying that we are your weekly sourceful latest news, hardware and apps for the Android faithful. I'm Jason Howell

Ron Richards (00:01:36):
And I'm Ron Richards happy new year,

Jason Howell  (00:01:38):
Happy new year. If I had a news maker, I'd I'd I'd sounded right right now, but I don't, it's it's a

Ron Richards (00:01:44):
New, this is my first podcast of 2022, by the way, this is fantastic. And this is the first show 2022. It's the first foray of Android into a new I was gonna say a new decade, but it's another year. New era,

Jason Howell  (00:01:59):
An era is a year.

Ron Richards (00:02:01):
Yeah, exactly. But we made it congratulations. We made it. So but yeah, we did it. I'm very proud of us. So

Jason Howell  (00:02:08):
I I'm very proud of you world for bringing Android into the next year. It's it's it's still going Android. There's no signs of Android slowing, and that's a good thing, cuz we do a show about Android and that would be kind of awkward because then we'd have to like try and figure what else we do. Yeah. So joining us to <laugh> meander through the, I, I don't know, it kind of feels like a little bit of a lightish news week this week which is strange because Hees is apparently happening right now. But anyways, Ryan Hager from Android police, thanks for joining us in these muddy waters of slowish Android news today. <Laugh> it is great to be here. And I do think it has been at least a little slow this week. <Laugh> like, like, and I realize, I say that, but then at the same time in the pre-show you were just talking about how many like NDAs were lifting because this is after all CES week, right? Like we all in, in tech news, we come back from the holiday from the holiday break, whatever we're able and, and fortunate to get right into CES, consumer electronic show. But this year feels a little different. At least to me, I feel like there's a little bit less excitement, a little bit less buzz, but it doesn't sound like there's less work for you guys.

Ryan Hager (00:03:17):
<Laugh> No, no, we are still hard at work. And I'm, I'm only saying that it's a slow week because it is Tuesday and there's more to come.

Jason Howell  (00:03:25):
Yeah. Because the week itself is actually crawling along slowly. That's that's the slowest. That makes sense.

Ryan Hager (00:03:33):
I feel like it's of it. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:03:35):
I, I do, I do like to enjoy this moment in time, at least Jason to do our annual I'm so glad I'm not a CES. Despite, despite even, especially now during the pandemic and the such, but still it's just like, even, even if things were normal, it's the, oh, I don't have to fly to Vegas. Fantastic. Kind of feeling that we have every year, this time <laugh>.

Jason Howell  (00:03:58):
Yeah, exactly. It, it now more than ever, I'm really happy to not be in Vegas for CES. It would, it would, I would feel a little vulnerable if I was wandering around at CES right now, but usually I'm, I'm pretty okay with the fact that I'm not there and kind of reporting on it from the sidelines. So but, and of course, we're gonna talk about some of the stuff that we've learned about from CES at Android related, but in a nutshell, Ryan, like how does <laugh>, how does the news trickling out of Vegas from CES rate for you in you know, as, as far as like the last five years, is it pretty slow all around or are you seeing a different CES than I'm seeing?

Ryan Hager (00:04:40):
Well, I, I, I think it's pretty slow and I think trickling is also kind of the operative word. Some of the bigger news, like the one plus 10 pro I can talk about it now. Cause the embargo went up 17 minutes ago. One plus is back into true form, dribbling out details bit by bit over the coming. Who knows how long yesterday it was, what did they, they gave us renders. They're like, it's a design, here's the design. And today we get to talk about specs. So there are a handful of specs that are public as of 17 minutes ago. But yeah, it's awesome. It's, it's just that scale it's dribbling out and none of this is happening at at the sort of scale that would've happened even four or five years ago. It seems to me.

Jason Howell  (00:05:18):
Yes. All right. Well hold on to one plus 10 pro because well, I had it in the rundown from yesterday's news and now I've got a new story to add. So I guess be, be on the lookout for that link once I add that. And we'll we'll talk about that when we get to hardware. So apparently we have, we have breaking news. We don't need to do the, the bumper right now, but we've got stuff to talk about before we get to the hardware though. Let's talk about the news and give Burke, you know, your, your happy new year opportunity to give us a news bumper right now. No pressure.

Burke  (00:05:51):
Well, I don't mind talking about tiramisu every week, so it's good. Oh, it's in the Android news.

Jason Howell  (00:05:57):
Yes. This true tear. Miss Sue in the Android news. All right, Ron, you got it.

Ron Richards (00:06:03):
Let's do it. That's right. Alright, so it wouldn't be another year of all about Android without talking about the next version of Android. And here we are. And I'm not talking about Android 12, a that's old news, everybody, but rather Android 13, which thanks to a source with access to a very early build of Android 13 told XDA that it is code named tier MASU. And I gotta tell you before I get into any actual details of it, I, this is now the second I do not like this. Anti-Climatic revealing of the, before it all starts, like, where's the fun in this. Now there was no speculation of what the name was. Jason. We didn't get to go over the desserts that start with tees. We didn't ask guests what they thought it was gonna be. Now it's just like, oh, it's tier MASU, move on. No whatever

Jason Howell  (00:06:52):
Tear MASU. It was the highlight expect

Ron Richards (00:06:55):
The highlight of so many things. That's so true, but it, so Android 13 code name, tier Maus got app land languages, code name, pan lingual. Currently switching languages happens at the macro systemwide level. This is a new feature that would allow per app language selection which is really cool. Actually, when you think about it runtime permission for notifications notifications could be an opt inset in the same way. Location and camera access is prompted at the first use and cut and that this could definitely help you cut that of that notifications spam. It'd be great. I, I gotta admit giving the access to location or camera or file storage when you install the app for the first time is such a great way to clearly know what's going on with the app and being able to control notifications at that level would be awesome. Then this one I thought was really interesting called tear T a R E which is an acronym for the Android resource economy and earned credits. And these are earned credits and app can use as currency to be able to perform tasks when the battery of the device is the pleated.

Jason Howell  (00:07:57):
That's so interesting to me. I don't, I'm curious to see what that actually ends up. Well,

Ron Richards (00:08:03):
It being, it allows you to, it allows the developer to prioritize functions within the app based off battery availability. So like of all the 30 things this app can do, if you're running outta battery, make sure you do these three things for like, that's, that's really that's, that's like crazy. It's sort of

Ryan Hager (00:08:20):
Like applying the market solution to engineering, right? You're yes. Instead of trying to dictate how, you know, can this app do this, can this app do that? Do we need to tier this? They're like, no, here are credits, spend them as you see fit,

Jason Howell  (00:08:31):
But how do you earn credit then? Obviously this is super early, like speculation, right? This is just a fun thought exercise, but how would, how would a developer or of an app, or, or how would an app in general earn credits, like it really is kind like a marketplace for the battery <laugh> yeah. Don't think we know it's so interesting. I don't think we

Ryan Hager (00:08:50):
Know quite how it's going to work just yet, but I'm sure there's some sort of system they'll they'll they'll talk about later that I don't know, maybe when the battery hits a certain level, all apps get credits or apps that doze more aggressively or do less background sync or that use fire base for notification delivery. Maybe they'll get more or less and it can like adjust things so that it's more efficient apps that are more efficient, get more credits or something like, I don't know.

Jason Howell  (00:09:16):
Yeah. That that's, that's actually a really interesting concept given Google can create can actually create a system that is fair in making those, that analysis and, and justifying, you know, the choice and saying, okay, well, this app has been known really good. So we'll go ahead and allow that app to do what it wants to do because the battery is low, but tap over here, you don't get to do anything cuz we've deemed you unworthy that's I dunno, they gotta do that. Right. Otherwise they're gonna tick a lot of people off,

Ryan Hager (00:09:44):
But they can probably automate it, all of it. So they can just make sure that like this says or it's already keeping track of alarms and job schedules. So it can probably just look at what an app wants to do, how often it to wake up and have some sort of schedule for credits that assigns based on that. But I I'd be guessing.

Jason Howell  (00:10:01):
Yeah, no, that makes, that all makes sense. Interesting.

Ron Richards (00:10:05):
I just, I just like the idea of an open economy within the operating system. Totally. And you know, and then like, like, does this pay, I mean, like to the point, you mean, does it pave the way for apps to compete in prior from app to app? Like, can you invest in an app and give it more credit than another app? You know, yeah. There's just, I, I just think it's, it's super fascinating. So 

Jason Howell  (00:10:26):
Or, or could a user, a user of, of the app say my preference is this app over that app and if there's a hierarchy that's, I mean, I want this app to always get it, you know, versus like the system deciding that based on the credits that it dolls out. I don't know. That's yeah. I'll be curious to see how that develops over time.

Ron Richards (00:10:45):
Yep. So but of course there's, it wouldn't be an, a an Android operating system update without some sort of lock screen change. And this is the lock screen clock layouts. And it's just a simple way to tweak the look of the clock on the lock screen, which, you know, it's the 13th version of Android. Do you think we would've had that by now, but here we are. So yeah, so it's coming, we knew it was coming. Jason, I feel like on the last show that we did before the end of the year, we're like, it'll just be matter time for we're talking about the next version and here we are. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (00:11:14):
Here we go. That's all it took was mentioning that it's, it's probably right around the corner and then someone watched the show and then, you know, they, they contacted XDA. This is probably how it worked behind the scenes. I'm assuming, they probably said, Hey, you know, I saw on all about Android. They were talking. They really wanted to know about the next version. Well, I happen to have it and I'll give it to you XDA. And then they'll talk about it on the next show. And here we are. It's just how this crazy world

Ron Richards (00:11:39):
Indeed

Jason Howell  (00:11:40):
<Laugh>. So are we more excited for Android 12L or Android 13 DSU at this point? <Laugh> that's a good question. What do you think Ryan? <Laugh>

Ryan Hager (00:11:53):
I don't what do you, I don't know if we have like a release date or anything yet for Android, 12 L but Android 12 has a much more incremental update. It's just targeting big screen foldable devices with added features on top of Android 12. I know a couple of other

Jason Howell  (00:12:06):
Changes are coming like that. Lock screen tweak that was mentioned in here is also probably going to lay and as part of Android, 12 L there are a couple of UI changes meant to accommodate bigger screens, but I think Android 13 is gonna be a bigger update. Yeah, yeah. Probably not.

Ryan Hager (00:12:21):
Numbers would suggest, right? Yeah.

Jason Howell  (00:12:24):
Yeah. Prob probably not as, as much of a, of an update, an obvious update as, as what we've seen with Android 12 L or sorry, Android 12, not L but but Hey, who knows? Maybe they'll they'll redo material you and turn into something completely different. And all it took was a version. I highly doubt that. Let's see here. What else do we have? Oh so this is an interesting saga is the fact that, you know, so I've got a pixel six. I know six pro Ron, you've got the six Ryan, what's your phone? Are you on a pixel or are you on something else?

Ryan Hager (00:12:59):
I'm I mean, the I'm using, and I think we're, we'll talk about it here in a little bit, but I'm using the S 21 Fe. Oh,

Jason Howell  (00:13:07):
What, what is your daily driver? What is your kind of your phone?

Ryan Hager (00:13:11):
I don't have a daily driver. My job.

Jason Howell  (00:13:13):
You, you just talk it's been a day ago. Yeah.

Ryan Hager (00:13:16):
Fair enough. So, so if somebody calls you then, is it just, there's six phones on the table? You're constantly, constantly picking it up. <Laugh> I, I do not half ask my job. My primary SIM is when, in whichever phone I'm reviewing or whichever phone I'm at for coverage. So I don't, that's the way to personal phone. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (00:13:33):
That's the way to do it. I mean, I always have a personal phone, but if I've got a review device, my SIM goes into the review device. And then my indication of whether I really like that phone or not is how quickly I move to move my SIM back over to whatever my phone is, you know? And if it's like a month and a half long, you know, out, and my SIM's still in that review device, I'm like, okay, this is actually a pretty great phone if I'm not rushing to get it outta here. So I feel you well if you have the pixel six or the six pro you probably have realized, and we've talked on the show previously that the December update was like delayed and delayed. And then ultimately just five days ago, officially pulled the plug on the pixel six December update. They just finally gave up because apparently there were issues with this update that were plugging the devices that it did install onto. Now actually, Ryan, you, you actually wrote about this. So I should ask you what, what were of these issues that, that users who got this update were seeing on their pixel sixes?

Ryan Hager (00:14:41):
So I spoke to Google about the issue. I guess it was primarily regarding call connectivity and dropped calls. Just people were having trouble placing calls reliably on their pixel six and pixel six pro running the December update. And I didn't see, we looked for it and I couldn't find too many reports regarding this particular issue. And I think at least part of that had to do with the fact that Google either pulled the update or slowed the rollout long before it actually yanked it because in the week, week and a half leading up to them actually pulling it, everybody was asking, you know, where is this update? Why don't we have it? And it seemingly they either slowed or stalled the update before they announced actually yanking it. And a fix was promised in a January update, but at the time Google said, oh, January update. It'll be in mid-January, which was, you know, unusual. We were like, oh, no, usually lands on the first Monday of the month, maybe Tuesday, if there's a holiday like today. But turns out that was just for the that delay only applied to the pixel six.

Jason Howell  (00:15:44):
So now we're in a position where, you know, we're gonna be getting this update sometime by the end of of the month. And when it happens, we're gonna get some features that we've been waiting for on the pixel six pro primarily there's the ultra wide band chip on the device that for whatever reason, Google launched the device without support for UWB active. And apparently this update's gonna fire that up. And it just feels kind of sloppy. Like, I feel like the, the delayed update there's there, obviously, you know, there's reasons why this stuff happens. And I have to, you know, we have to kind of accept the fact that we don't know exactly why these things delay the way they do, you know, they run into an issue. Of course, we're not gonna assume that Google's gonna put out buggy software and just keep it out. What we want more than anything is an update of, of any kind. But, you know, the delay in the updates is gonna be two months. By the time we actually get one on this brand new device, UWB was a feature that, you know, some people were actually really looking forward to and, you know, you still had to wait a couple of months for it to be activated. It's just one of those situations where you're like, ah, God do do better than in that Google, if you can please do better than that. Cuz that's and

Ryan Hager (00:16:56):
Not just, that's not the whole December feature drop update. Right? So like all of the that's feature drop features that landed with the December update. Didn't hit the pixel six, cuz nobody got the update and now it's delayed until mid January. So the now playing search the expansion of car crash detection, more languages for Google recorder, a bunch of other stuff. Quick tap for Snapchat. I think all of that stuff is tied behind the December feature drop update. So not just the UWB, but a bunch of features people we're looking forward to.

Jason Howell  (00:17:24):
Yeah, yeah, indeed. And yeah, again, just kinda lame to get Google's latest and greatest and then end up, you know, faced with that. The, the update for those of you who are on devices that aren't, that are pixels, but aren't the pixel six. If you're getting a a security update, the January security update is rolling out now for all those other phones and it will fix the 9 1, 1 Microsoft teams bug that we discussed last month, where, you know, for the phone was strangely calling, you know, 9 1, 1 and it had something to do with Microsoft teams being unsigned in on that one, the advice <laugh> that one. So this is yeah, yeah. Mind boggling. Actually we got an email. It didn't make it into the show today, but from someone who it had happened too. And yeah, it just, I mean, reading through his, his account, I actually probably should have put it in. So my apologies to you who emailed that in, but it's just one of those situations where you're like, oh, that would be a nightmare. Like every time, you know, he turned around that the phone was calling nine one one again, he's like, nah, why is this keep happening? And if you got a phone that's doing that, you're gonna have to wait until the end of January for it to fix for it to be fixed, which is kinda layman and of itself. So All About that's where we're at.

Jason Howell  (00:18:39):
All right. Ronnie got the next one. Oh man.

Ron Richards (00:18:40):
I do have the next one. So we all remember here, Ron, you probably remember it. And Jason, I know you do the classic galaxy X stamps on Galax, the S3, which launched in 2012, right? That's a legendary phone.

Jason Howell  (00:18:54):
It is a legendary phone.

Ron Richards (00:18:55):
It is. Well it's getting Android 12, believe it or not. Thanks to the modern community. Of course an artificial lineage OS 19 version 19 custom based on Android 12, the raw itself is limited for compatibility. And of course, as you can imagine, there are some bugs but they actually posted a video of it running. And you can see it. Those are folks who are watching the video, we've got it running here and it shows the system operates pretty smoothly considering the fact that it is a 10 year old device running what is, is close to an equivalent of today's operating system. It's not exactly Android 12, but it's, it's, you know, it's, it's sure looks like it. That's for sure. So I just wanna know who, who has the time to do this <laugh>

Jason Howell  (00:19:49):
Who has the time to create this or, or to, to that old device? I mean, you know, the, the modding community, it, it may not be as vast as it used to be, but it's just as passionate. I have to imagine people who, who enjoy modding devices and seeing what you can do, especially, especially taking like kind of like a, a marque historical device would, which actually we have an email about later. We we'll, we'll get to that a little bit later about this very device. But you know, this is a pretty, this is a pretty notable device in the history of, of Android lore and to have, you know, this very dated device actually running the current version of Android, albeit you know, an edited version of Android, but still the fact that it can even do that. Like, it's, it's actually pretty impressive that, that you could do this 10 years later. I dunno. I, I feel so. Anyways, speaks to the skill of the individual and the passion of the community. Yeah,

Ron Richards (00:20:47):
Absolutely point effect merely a day later, somebody got the Galaxys two running Android 12 as well.

Jason Howell  (00:20:54):
Wow. Wow. So it keeps you all backwards. All right. So let's get Android 12 on the Motorola droid and then <laugh>,

Ron Richards (00:21:03):
I would like to see Android 12 on a nexus one, please. I would like the little, little track ball back if I can get it so

Jason Howell  (00:21:09):
Nice year. That would be amazing. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:21:13):
I missed that track ball. That track ball was great. Why isn't way we put a track ball back in a phone, by the way.

Jason Howell  (00:21:20):
I don't know because we do it with our fingers instead. I guess

Ron Richards (00:21:24):
The track, the track ball allows Lord knows is whatever don't get me started, but trying to copy and paste text and like pulling the little things and stuff like that. It might the tri

Jason Howell  (00:21:34):
I'd be all over that.

Ron Richards (00:21:34):
Blackberry did that. I was like, that was a Blackberry thing. And Blackberry literally, I think today was they officially, they went out business, actually. That's true. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (00:21:44):
That is related piece of news. Nice. Nice.

Ron Richards (00:21:47):
We need, we need a related news bumper. Jason. Yeah. <Laugh>

Jason Howell  (00:21:52):
Related news. There you go. That's all we got with, with no planning or preparation whatsoever. All right. So we've got a whole bunch of CES to talk about up next. So stick around for that. But first let's thank sponsor this episode of all about Android and that is actually a new sponsor streak. It's great to have streak on board as a startup founder or an entrepreneur. If you are either of these things, you know what it's like running your business from your inbox, it can be, you know, chaotic <laugh>. I could speak from my own experience. Anyways, whether you're tracking sales fundraising, whether you're hiring or off Frank support streak is a CRM that's actually gonna help you stay on top of all of your processes. It's customer relations management. That's what CRM stands for. And, and even further than that, not only stay on top of all these processes, but directly inside of Gmail they are already using use streaks free email tools to check if your emails have been opened.

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Jason Howell  (00:25:35):
And we'll start with a phone that took a little while to become a thing. And now it's a thing. And it's a thing that Ryan has actually written about because Ryan has, that has that in his hands. It's the Samsung galaxy S 21 fan edition. And part of the reason this even exists, I saw this story earlier that the S 20 fan edition sold more than 10 million units. And actually in, in itself, went a long way to kind of recovering for Samsung. Last year, everybody was super positive about the fan edition release of the S 20 last year. And so here we are the S 21, although it feels kind of late, right? Like this, this took a while to see the light of day. It

Ryan Hager (00:26:21):
Was definitely delayed cuz there were rumors that it was gonna launch earlier and then there were rumors was canceled and then there, everybody starts delayed. Now we finally get it, but it does feel late and that's because it is. And I do feel like that has an impact on how good of a phone it is. You know, the market it's centering it's, it's a different situation than it if it had landed three or four months ago.

Jason Howell  (00:26:41):
So how does it compare to the the non E version? Or I guess it would be kind of like the, the baseline cuz you know, all of Samsung's Galaxys series devices, they, they have steps on the, on the ladder. You've got your basic, then you've got your step up. Then you've got your ultra F Fe's kind of below the basic, right. That maybe more or less that's kind of where Samsung's positioning this. How does it, how does it

Ryan Hager (00:27:06):
Compare? Oops, sorry about that. Yeah. So the the S 20 F E it's sort of just under the galaxy S 21 base model and it's kind of a cut down version of the phone. But arguably the S 21 is already kind of a cut down version of the phone. And that's, that's part of the problem that you run into talking about this these two phones today. And that is the fact that when the S 20 FY landed last year, which was, you know, as you said, very popular phone, everybody loved it. It was, it arrived in a different sort of market for Samsung. So the galaxy S 20 at that time was, was it a thousand dollars, $900? So the price difference was big, big, but now we're talking about only a $100 price difference between the S 21 and the S 21 Fe because Samsung did so much work cutting down the S 21 to hit this newer, lower price.

Ryan Hager (00:28:00):
And this is one of my favorite phones of last year. And, you know, they switched to a Samsung's plastic bag that sort of matte plastic, which I like a lot. They cut a lot, couple of other corners, but because of that, there's now only a hundred dollars price difference. They also raise the price of the S 21 Fe compared to the S 20 F Fe. So it's even though, and I could, I could talk a whole lot about the things I do like about this phone. I think that the question of value is different now both because it was late, both because it's up against a different lineup, as far as the rest of Samsung's flagships all sort of comes together to mean maybe this isn't the sort of value killer, like the last one was,

Jason Howell  (00:28:43):
Is that primarily because like you said, last year, there was a, a wider price disparity between the two, like now being close, you know, it's kind of harder to you, you end up in this position of like, well, for a hundred dollars more, I actually get a much better phone. So maybe I should do that. It also brings it closer to some of the other phones that are, you know, in the same ballpark that maybe don't consider themselves paired down versions of anything. They're just actually really great phones for the similar price.

Ryan Hager (00:29:13):
Yeah, exactly. I think, I think that's, that's precisely the issue. You, you have the sort of like, you know, the Motorola syndrome, you have so many phones at so many different price points that you get to the point that well, $50 more for a hundred dollars more, and that that's, that's the issue. Samsung is there for a hundred dollars more, you can get the base model S 21 which has more Ram handful of other small improvements. But you know, it is still a good phone. I like it a lot. The screen on it is excellent. I can't believe this isn't like an LTPO screen because it's just so uniform, you know, at low brightness some of the non LTPO screens they can be a little uneven. This is an exquisite screen, either Samsung like bind me a really good unit or they just, they, they really know how to make screens in less expensive phones. Now I think the screen in here might actually be slightly better than the one in my S 21. But yeah, the, the value proposition just isn't the same.

Jason Howell  (00:30:12):
Can I ask you a question cuz you threw out LTPO and this is the prime opportunity to kind of get some clarity on this. What is different about LTPO in a, in a display technology? Why is it why is it an improvement?

Ryan Hager (00:30:25):
Oh, so it's it's a difference in if I'm remembering correctly and I might be talking a little bit outta my butt here. It's a difference in the back plane material, which affects you know, the sort of thin film transistors it the, the, I don't wanna get too the weeds here, cuz I will talk for 20 minutes essentially. It can save power it's okay. We're this is a safe space, Ryan, you

Jason Howell  (00:30:48):
Could do that. Go for it. <Laugh>

Ryan Hager (00:30:51):
The very short version is that it's, it's able to save power, so it uses less power doing the same sort of stuff. And it allows you to do variable refresh rate switching without oh, okay. Well just better variable refresh rate switching and you don't have to have that sort of flickering effect, which a lot of people don't really notice, but on older panels, like the one in the pixel six and the one in the pixel five when the refresh rate changes between the two different modes it actually adjusts the gamma, the profile of the display when it's in the two different modes. And if, if you don't notice it, it won't be bothersome. I see it every time it happens and it bothers the absolute crap out of me. So I really like this new display technology cuz it, it, it doesn't do that.

Jason Howell  (00:31:33):
Nice. Awesome. I, I appreciate that. That explain or cuz I've I keep hearing about that technology and I haven't really done a whole lot of, of diving into what differentiates it, but that sounds like an improvement. So and so what you posted today or actually this was yesterday is a hands on, I imagine you you've got your SIM card in this phone, so you're working on a full review. So everybody can definitely, you know, check out what you, what you have coming here in the future. But so everybody, you know, Android police.com, you can find Ryan's work there and yeah. Be tuned into what Ryan thinks after spending more time with the device. Cuz at this point it's really just like you you've just had it for a short bit and I, you know, yeah. I, I know how this stuff works behind the scenes. There's only so much you can really talk about right now, but yeah,

Ryan Hager (00:32:23):
Well thankfully I think, think there's only unless I'm, I hope I'm not misremembering. There's a single stage in Bargo so I can talk about anything right now. That's no big deal. Oh, okay. But I've only had two days with the phone, so if you have any questions, I can answer them. I can show it while it's on. Like none that matters. I I just haven't had as much time with it to be able to do a full review

Ron Richards (00:32:39):
As I usually like to.

Jason Howell  (00:32:41):
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well everybody can tune in and and, and check out your work and once you have that review we'll check it all out. Cool. Thank you. I, I'm super curious about that. I hope I'm able to kind of get it in my hands and get my SIM card in there and check it out as well. Ron, this story had you written all over it. Oh,

Ron Richards (00:33:01):
So much had me. I actually saw this in my feed and I was like, Ooh, we gotta talk about this. I saw you how to loaded it. I was very excited. So as CES I'm, you know, I, I got a good feeling this year about this being the year, the tablet. I just feel like we had a good, good momentum in 2021. And here we are 2022. And really the first CS story we're covering is a tablet. And not only is a tablet, it's a wacky tablet a French company called O led com, which is weird. Showed off it's live max tab at CES. You might be wondering what is live mean? Well, this is the first Android tablet that uses wifi to transfer data instead of wifi. So the quote from them is the tablet allows all family members to connect to the internet through invisible light, providing a robust stable radio frequency, free connection with a signal signal that cannot be intercepted outside of the room.

Ron Richards (00:34:00):
So wifi is light based internet. So it's like wifi, but without radio transmissions and things like that, it's actually transferring data through light. Okay. Wifi latency is a hundred times faster than wifi which is just like, oh my God. But besides that, if we're looking at the tablet, it's, it is a 10 inch tablet with 1920 by 1200 display with minimal specs, it's got a media tech processor, four gig, Agram 64 gig of storage. You can buy it for 400 euros and it's available in February 22, which is in just in a month from now. And you can transfer data via light via, right. That's just amazing. I mean, clearly you need to be in the room as the wifi hub, right. That is emitting this thing and you can't go that far from it, you know? But like, I like how it says, like it says that it says it's a signal that cannot be intercepted outside the room because you can't actually get to it outside the room. Right.

Jason Howell  (00:34:59):
Right. I mean, wifi, anyone could drive up to outside of your house. And if you don't have a, a, a password protected, you know, SS, I D somebody can hop onto your wifi. That won't happen with wifi. They gotta be in the room. And so if someone you don't know is in the room using your wifi, then you've got other problems, own cl clouds too. You're in trouble and yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's true. Now, this is not new technology, by the way, this was first introduced 10 years ago. So live as a, as a, as a wireless communication technology has been around for a while. Scooter X and chat says, stop trying to make live happen. So seems like this has,

Ryan Hager (00:35:41):
It's like CS thing for at least the last decade. You hear a story totally. Every year, two about live and the different applications. This is the first time I've ever heard of a product actually shipping that uses it, which is kind of cool. But this is very fairly standard. C S fair.

Ron Richards (00:35:57):
I gotta tell you. We, we were years ago, we were like foldable phones. That's just all I that's true. We're just gonna see, we're just gonna see that as CES, right. <Laugh> and here we are. I think life, this might be the, the, the tipping point for wi for life. And

Ryan Hager (00:36:12):
It's gonna be, I'll say looping back around even though it's a bit of a, non-SEC one of the few phones I do love going back to, if you talked about me having a daily driver is my Z fold three. I love this phone. It's so good. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (00:36:25):
Very nice. Does it, does it support life? Huh?

Ryan Hager (00:36:28):
It does not support life. Sadly.

Jason Howell  (00:36:31):
That's, that's what I thought. It's, it's inferior to this random company O it comes live max tab, just saying once they have a foldable that supports live, then I think you found your next winner. We'll see. Yeah. I, I don't know what, what happens with the, with the live technology development if it matters, if it, I mean, who has a life, you know, router or what, whatever is required to, to transmit life around the room, that, that that's another challenge doesn't really exist. Very, you know, very many places I wouldn't imagine. But, but good on you, ed com you're the one that brought it to Android first. So we appreciate you also from CES is news that Samsung's new crop of 20, 22 TVs are going to, okay. First the biggest news they're gonna support NFTs <laugh> so Q you know, a bunch of random people rolling their eyes, basically, you're gonna be able to browse NFTs with a built in marketplace, aggregator TVs. What an interesting thing to just like, build into a TV, but I guess, but I guess Samsung has a number of different apps that, you know, as part of the smart TV platform, this is just like, Hey, here's a way to browse, NFTs and buy them. And

Ryan Hager (00:37:53):
I can view all your pirated ones in the built in gallery.

Jason Howell  (00:37:56):
Oh, there you go. But you don't own them. You can't, you know, you aren't on the blockchain when you do that. You're missing out. But also, and I, and then I, I think this is important for the, for the growth of cloud gaming Google stadia and video, GForce now support out of the box, so built into the TV. And I just think that's, I just think that's super important. Right. And that's actually, and, and you say what you will about stadia, you know, we've, we've sat on both sides of that fence on this show. I know I have, you know, I've had my times where I'm like, actually stadia is really cool. It's amazing what you can do. And then I've had my time going, stadia do better. Like why, why, you know, Google, you miss the boat here, you know, criticism all around.

Jason Howell  (00:38:41):
But I think what, what something like cloud gaming really needs is it needs to be everywhere for the value to be everywhere. And if it's built into the TV, like essentially you're buying a TV and you're getting a game console with it is, is really at the end of the day what it is. And so I think, I think that's good for stadia. I think that's good for GForce now. It'll be part of the new Samsung gaming hub, which will also allow from my understanding people to take their console controllers and route them through Samsung gaming hub to control things like the stadia integration. So that's, that's cool. I don't know. Where do you stand on on stadia and, and cloud gaming, Ryan, are you a big gamer? Like, what do you think?

Ryan Hager (00:39:27):
Well, I mean, I am a pretty big gamer. Well, I, I dunno if I actually characterize myself as that anymore. I just don't have the time to do it. But I do most of my, of gaming on PC and because of that, because I already, you know, I invest the money in having a machine that can do that for me. There isn't a lot of advantage in cloud gaming. I, I wouldn't give up my higher settings and better quality for lower settings and increased latency and not of my games, but I do see the advantage for people who don't wanna make that sort of investment, cuz like I spend way too much money on all of the stuff I have for work. My gaming machine is half work machine, so like I can sync money into that and consider it fine.

Ryan Hager (00:40:08):
But if right, if gaming, isn't something you can, you know, sync a ton of cash into cloud gaming is very economical. If you look at the, and my understanding is that it's even cheaper than console gaming by a large margin, especially these days when you can't even get the latest generation of consoles. And there are a couple of drawbacks. I know that some titles, especially on stadia with sort of aging cloud infrastructure, hardware, you don't necessarily get the same sort of quality level same sort of game settings that you might on, on solar or on PC. But you're spending so much less. If you have a fast internet connection with low latency to one of stadia servers. And you're not like super into games, you're not gonna notice that you know, there's a little more lag or the compression artifacts when it's being streamed in. So I, I do think that there is a place for it. I think that people are gonna be into it for a very long time. I don't know if stadia is necessarily gonna be a part of that conversation for very long, but I do think the cloud came should stay.

Jason Howell  (00:41:03):
Yeah, that is, that is the big question, right? Is, is how, what is the lasting power of Google stadia as, as a platform, you know, competing in the, in the cloud gaming space. I mean, no question like what Google is doing from a technological standpoint with stadia is pretty impressive, but it just, it kind of took them a while. You know, Google did what Google does a lot. It's like they, they have this really cool thing, but then there's something about how they present it and launch it and roll things out slowly. And it just, I don't know, a lot of, a lot of pieces fell through the cracks along the way. And I think it kind of slowed its adoption based.

Ron Richards (00:41:43):
Was it, if there was any other script about how Google rolls out, something like this, would it have gone any other way?

Ryan Hager (00:41:49):
Do you feel the way I feel is that stadia is short meetings, aren't even due to stadia and I've, I've talked about this. I've wanted to pitch this editorial for so long, but stadia content gets like no views. So it would be a total waste of time, but that's

Jason Howell  (00:42:01):
An indication of something right there though. Right, right. Yeah, exactly.

Ryan Hager (00:42:04):
Yeah. I, I don't think we've had a successful stadia story and I could not tell you how long no one cares. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But stadia biggest problem. Isn't Google stadium's biggest problem is the market. The issue is that the way the market is set up for all of this sort of streaming stuff, at least the way I see it is that big publishers are gonna dominate the space. It's gonna be like Netflix and Amazon prime and apple TV. You're not gonna have a big aggregator like Google. Who's like, oh, you know, we're gonna sell you a bunch of titles from publishers. Why would publishers agree to that? If they can just spin up their own game streaming services and you can buy it directly from them, why would they agree to lose money on a middle man? When the, the ultimate goal that what the market's going to drive for is for this, you know, even greater a carte separation down at the publisher, even the developer level. So I don't think that stadia is ultimately doomed because of Google. I think that stadi is ultimately doomed because the model is incompatible with the direction that the streaming market inexorably heads towards in every regard it happened with streaming like movies and TV shows. The Netflix is doing their own content peacock, doing their own content. All of the different studios are spinning up their own. The, that same thing is going to happen to game streaming. In my opinion, man,

Jason Howell  (00:43:19):
You, you kind of blew my mind there a little bit. I had not considered that, but that makes a lot of sense. I could totally see EA you know, coming out with its own game streaming service and, you know, you get access to all the EA games for X number, you know, X amount or whatever. Yeah. It's interesting.

Ryan Hager (00:43:38):
And the only way that stadi survive in a world like that is as a white label service. And I know Google was looking into that. They were considering providing the backend for others to do their own game streaming. And that is a potential avenue for, I wouldn't say success, but for stadia to persist for something in some form.

Jason Howell  (00:43:54):
Yeah. Right. Well, yeah. Well the example of that being at and T right, that was a couple of months ago where stadia kind of brought their, their technology to a partnership with at and T centered around Batman, a Knight and you know, stadia wasn't mentioned anywhere, Tru truly like a white label thing. The only way that anyone ever really that there was stadia behind the scenes was, you know, on reporting that kind of dug into it. So yeah. And that, you know, does that keep stadia relevant to some degree? Yeah, maybe, but is it enough to sustain the development of stadia going forward? I guess that remains to be seen

Ryan Hager (00:44:31):
If, if they can get a bunch of customers and keep, you know, hardware improvements coming ensure that they're making enough money off of the licensees to continue to reinvest in development for it, then, then it could happen. But I think that with the rise of edge computing the ease of developing in the cloud all of again, you know, this isn't necessarily my area of E piece, but I suspect that even Google's advantage in terms of accrued development there, and hardware might eventually not matter. So they really, they have to, they have to do this fast. I think they need to get into white label, like very, very quickly. Otherwise they're going to lose the one advantage they have while the market lets them have that advantage and then it'll be over. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (00:45:12):
Yep, yep. Right on good perspective. Cool stuff. All right. We've got a whole lot more hardware. I haven't here non CES coming up, but there's some CES stuff in here not coming up.

Ron Richards (00:45:26):
There's no such thing as non CES. Jason,

Jason Howell  (00:45:29):
<Laugh>, that's all, that's true. During CES week. It's all CES ish. Although this top of this, this story at the top of the block really isn't, I don't think this has, excuse me, anything to do with CES, but let's talk about it anyways right now. And then we'll talk about some more CS stuff.

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Ron Richards (00:46:18):
All right. So the Google glass dream is still alive. Thankfully, I know a lot of you are hoping that, you know, whatever. Oh, thanks. But the New York times has a report that says Google is nurturing a new product quote unquote, a new project. And as part of its north acquisition last year not much more detail other than that. But it does make sense. Big tech seems to be chasing mixed reality and AR headsets right now. Apple's rumor to be working on its own AR hardware and meta of course has their hands in this too with project Cambria for this year sometime. So obviously Google's gonna to get in on an AR kind of you know, device like thing if, just to keep up with the Jones in that regard. And the north acquisition, which happened in June of 2022, June of 2020 was for a Canadian company that was developing these kind of product called focals.

Ron Richards (00:47:15):
They had launched focals 1.0, and they had decided to cancel vocals 2.0. And now they were acquired in 20 and various, you know, staff members from north are now part of Google and they're in the devices and services division of Google. That's the same grouping as pixel and nest and other stuff. And yeah, and, and apparently they're a team that's building an augmented reality OS. They they're aligned with that team. So this could, the pieces could be coming together for another attempt at some sort of AR device. My question is, will Google ever live down Google glass? Like, can they even do it, you know, from an audience standpoint?

Jason Howell  (00:47:53):
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a good question. You know, part of me wants to give Google a whole lot of props because, you know, they were there first really. I mean, yeah. They were the ones that really, you know, went to market with a, like literally went to market with a wearable you know, glasses product years before the rush by everyone else. Now, you know, now everybody's kind of getting in on it, but I mean, it was, but it was a total failure. Like <laugh>, I mean, I mean, maybe not a total failure, Google was able to figure out something, you know, to, to market its, its glass for, for enterprise and do something else with it. Oh, holy cow. But yeah, well, it was, it did, it did start the holy cow movement here on old Android. It did

Ron Richards (00:48:37):
For, for better for,

Jason Howell  (00:48:38):
As Ronald rolls his eyes once more. But <laugh>, but I don't know. What do you think, Ryan, do you think do you think Google is in a PO considering Google was there in the beginning? Does Google capitalize off of that in any way? Or do you think they kind of like, it's like they, they rolled out the carpet for the others to walk on?

Ryan Hager (00:48:57):
You know, I don't know. I, I, I'm not sure how much they learned from glass from an engineering perspective. Yeah. Cuz I'm sure there was some value there, but if they're acquiring a whole new company to do this, like you said this is off of the acquisition from north, there's no telling how much there retaining from what they had developed before brand new OS presumably probably north inspired hardware. Cause they were doing their own AR glasses. I, I don't know if they're necessarily going to be able to use any of the things they learned previously when it applies to this. Maybe they can, but I, I would, I would be going into this expecting they're gonna be starting from scratch.

Jason Howell  (00:49:33):
Yeah. Kind of seems that way. North hardware, like I, I had to give them huge credit. As far as all the wearables that I had ever seen in person, you know, the, the face wearables north hardware looked the best. Like it looked as close to real glasses as possible. And you know, we still have no idea. Apples solution is gonna look like you know, I don't know what Facebook's gonna come up with. Part of me doesn't want to care, but but I'm interested to see like the direction that they all go in Google with Google glass went in a really like, sci-fi like, this looks nut, like nothing you've ever worn on your face before. And I remember in the beginning there was, there was only a little bit of that energy of like, oh, and Google of course played this up.

Jason Howell  (00:50:16):
Right? Like they put it on, on super models and stuff. Like that to really make it be like, yes, it's futuristic and it's different, but it's cool different. And then that kind of burned off and people just thought it looked dorky with the partnership with north. Can they make a wearable that that does what, you know, what the new kind of crop of, of face wearables can do, but also doesn't look totally dorky and, you know, and, and you don't wanna put that on your face cuz holy cow, I don't, I don't want that on my face. Yeah. Lot of, lot of uncertainty as far as what Google will do with this, but but I'm certainly curious and Hey, they were there first, so I gotta give 'em a little bit of credit for that at least.

Jason Howell  (00:50:59):
So we shall see and I'm, I, I will say I'm super curious to know what apples work on as well. Yeah, their, their take on this stuff will be really in interesting indeed. Okay. So we mentioned this earlier and we're getting back around to it now. We're we're now back in CES again, I don't know why I did the order the way I did, but whatever. The one plus 10 pro not wasn't officially announced necessarily prior to show, I mean, OnePlus they've acknowledged that it existed and had shown off a, a, a few renders of the D the design of the device. They basically confirmed that it was gonna launch in China next Tuesday. That's a week from today on December 11th with no timeline for north America, Europe, or India. And, and Ryan, you actually wrote about that, but then you also wrote right before Showtime that there was an embargo that lifted and we know more about the OnePlus 10 pro. So tell us what you think or like what, what do they want us to know at this point? It's probably not everything obviously, but what do they know?

Ryan Hager (00:52:03):
Well, you know, you know, OnePlus is marketing. They tend to do everything they possibly can to try to dominate the news cycles for like two weeks ahead of a phone's launch. Drives me insane. I can't stand it. I hate it. It's so annoying having to write about every tedious, new detail every day or two for two weeks straight is just God awful. It works

Jason Howell  (00:52:22):
Though, right? It totally works. I

Ryan Hager (00:52:24):
Guess it does. But I, I doesn't mean, I,

Jason Howell  (00:52:26):
I mean, from their perspective, it works, cuz it, it continues to get articles written about it, you know, instead of just exactly.

Ryan Hager (00:52:33):
Cause if you don't do it, you fall behind, so it's all. Yeah. Yep. It's, it's so annoying. I wish they would just do like a single lunch, like everybody else does whatever. So today they dumped a whole bunch of specs. Half of them don't matter. Aren't you glad to know the one plus 10 supports NFC and vaulty like, great. These are, these are marketable features that we should be putting on a spec sheet and revealing however long before launch. That's awesome. Excluding the superfluous and unnecessary details of today's announcement. There are a couple of interesting things to note. One is that the camera hardware based on the numbers provided, which are not complete, it sounds like the camera hardware might be the same as the one plus nine. The resolution for the sensors or the resolution for the triple cameras on the back of the phone, the dual OIS, those sound identical to last year's model.

Ryan Hager (00:53:19):
So unless they're using upgraded versions or different sensors, that just happen to have the same resolution, which is possible. We might be looking at mostly software based improvements for the camera, which is not necessarily a bad thing. You know, Google demonstrated you can use the same sensor for like four years and still make great photos. If anything, they get better with time. So it could be OnePlus is gonna fine tune its performance here. But what I consider to be the most telling thing about today's announcement is the branding that OnePlus has opted to go for when it comes to both its wired and wireless charging. Now I'm sure you remember OnePlus is warp charge, right? Everybody knows warp charge. Yep. Warp charge is not, I mean it's not warp charge anymore. Oh, okay. What is it?

Ryan Hager (00:54:04):
They're calling it super V for the wired charging and air VO. If I'm pronouncing these correctly for the wire V V those are the one plus marketing terms. So sorry, those the oppo marketing terms. So this is like more of the opacification of one. Plus following the merger. Now we're losing one. Plus is branding for fee features. They're gonna give it the oppo name. So I'm I'm not too excited about the seemingly increased influence. Oppo has over everything OnePlus. We lost oxygen OS, which used to be great. Now it's just a color OS skin we're losing branded features. And these are some of the best features about the OnePlus phone. You know, the fast charging is the fastest you can get in the United States. It used to charge at what 65 Watts. And now it's 80 in the new phone, which is great, but wow, like these highly marketable features are no longer gonna be associated with one plus they're gonna be associated with OPPA, which speaks weirdly for me of the future here.

Jason Howell  (00:55:02):
Yeah. And I, I think that's, that was my big question coming in here is, you know, what is the, what is the state of OnePlus going into 2022? We talked about this a little bit. Ron, you and I talked about this last month. I can't remember if it was the last live episode. I think it was where we kind of talked a little bit about, you know, how, how OnePlus has really changed in the last year to, from a, from a public sentiment perspective and, and encapsulating everything. You just talked about, Ryan, all of the changes, the opacification as you put it. I like that. And what that means for OnePlus is brand identity, which for a while, at least in the, of the enthusiast was really strong. Like, like OnePlus had a very solid kind of enthusiast brand, you know, brand identity, brand recognition.

Jason Howell  (00:56:01):
A lot of enthusiasts really cared about what a, what a OnePlus was doing, but I've, I've noticed I've, I've received a big shift in the last year and, you know, that comes along with, you know, their, their appearing in carrier stores to a wider margin. So, you know, maybe there's this perception that, oh, well, before it was kind of a boutique thing that you had to know about to get and now everybody can get it. So maybe there's some of the luster, you know, some of the shine is gone as a result of that. Maybe it's the deal with hostile blood. I, I don't know. Like, I, I, I don't really care about that. Like I think, I think the camera system on the, on the last major device was, was pretty good. So I don't know if Hasad, you know, is to deserves all the praise for that or if that's a OnePlus marketing win or what it is, but what do you think of the state of OnePlus as we head into 2022? Are they not as special as they once were at this point?

Ryan Hager (00:56:58):
I, I would say that they definitely aren't. It's clear to me that their strategy has shifted from targeting the sort of enthusiast audience you describe, you know, the people who buy pixels, the people who root and rom the root and rom crowd is sort of a shrinking community. I don't think it's grown. Yeah, though. I don't have any numbers really to back that up. Just a gut feeling. And the same thing goes for the pixel audience is, is gonna buy really the pixel if they can afford to do that. The one plus was for a long time, sort of the poor man's pixel. But with rising costs at OnePlus and follow costs at Google I think that they've kind of lost that. And so wisely, they tried to expand into a larger market. They wanted to try to take some of you know, LGS outta the market. They can take some of the market share. They can attack Samsung at the low end, which they're doing with the Nords series, especially with their T-Mobile partnership. So I think that that's really what they're trying to do is they're just trying to capture market share period. They don't care who it is anymore. They just, they want to sell phones. And so if that means alienating the core, admittedly small admittedly declining group, they're willing to do that, they don't care

Jason Howell  (00:58:01):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah. It really does seem like things, things have shifted in, in,

Ron Richards (00:58:06):
I mean, it's, it's not so much. Yeah. I mean, and things are, I don't wanna say things have things haven't shifted cuz they have shifted, but I feel like it's a, this is what happens with corporate alignment and it's almost as if like the the, the, it was time to cash. It was time to pay the check, you know, like the bill came like you, you know, like one plus took the investment from oppo. They had the strategic partnership and oppo said, go do what you're gonna do for all those years. And they did all that stuff and now's like, okay, great. Now, now come back to the mothership and, and, and it gets a little more, I don't, you know, say sell Audi, cuz it's not like they sold or sold out, but it gets a little less edgy, a little less airing, a little, you know, and a little safer. And, and I mean,

Jason Howell  (00:58:48):
It gets a little less differentiated, like, like OnePlus had a, had a very specific kind of identity and now the two have blurred together. And so it makes it less special. It makes it feel less, less unique. I, I suppose maybe that's it a little bit more like cut, cut and paste a, which doesn't feel as compelling, I guess.

Ron Richards (00:59:10):
Yeah, no. So, oh one plus. Well, I feel like now we're on like the downer train, but for the, for those of you who are who are surface duo fans out there you know, I know we were waiting with baited breath to see when it was gonna get Android 11 and it didn't happen before the end of the year. Microsoft continues to postpone updating device with the major update, February 21, they said they were gonna receive Android 11 by midyear. It didn't happen. Then in September, Microsoft said it would get Android 11 by the end of the year, didn't happen. And now it's Android 20 it's it's 20, 22. And with still no update to Android 11 it hasn't received any bug fixes since July and in total that's 15 months since it launched. And since the last major update to the device which is, which is not only horrible, but it's embarrassing and really makes you wonder what Microsoft's commitment to the device is or, and, or was and you gotta worry about the surface duo too. And like anything like, it, it, it is just it, this isn't how you do hardware. It seems to me, it seems like, like the product is not perfect. It doesn't need to be updated. <Laugh> right. It's like, Ugh,

Ryan Hager (01:00:27):
Man, Google, can't be happy that they're not delivering their, oh my God. I said the words

Ron Richards (01:00:31):
Stop. You did <laugh>

Jason Howell  (01:00:35):
Oh no, what do, what do you want? I'm here to help you <laugh>.

Ryan Hager (01:00:40):
But Google, can't be happy that they're I'll violating the ma cause I think they're required to deliver a minimum of quarterly updates. So if the phone's more than six months behind O that's not good, it's not good.

Jason Howell  (01:00:49):
Yeah. Not good. That's that's not good. Actually. Scooter X in is a scooter X in the chat, just posted a link to another store on windows central posted today with Microsoft basically saying we're finalizing the validation and certification for Android 11. We originally planned to deploy as a secure, as an update for surface duo in December, but we needed a few more weeks to ensure great experience for surface duo customers. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> we expect to begin Android 11 rollout in the next few weeks, beginning with unlocked devices. So sure. It's a couple of weeks of delay. It's really unfortunate that it ends up taking it to the next calendar year because you know, people clue into that reporters clue into that. It, you know, when you say by the end of the year, people are gonna hold you to it. And this is a couple of promises that Microsoft made. And like I said, granted, it's only a couple of weeks later, you know, that it's supposedly gonna actually roll out out, but still it, it matters. It, it, it surprises me actually, maybe it shouldn't, but it surprises me that a company like Microsoft, couldn't just bang this out and make it happen on their one. You know, at the time their one mobile Android device, you know,

Ron Richards (01:02:03):
It was it's, their are bet, right? It's their bet to show. They've got a foot and Android and they're not following through.

Ryan Hager (01:02:08):
I dunno, I will say, have you ever used like a surface laptop, a surface tablet, any of the other surface hardware, all this pants, none of this is out of the pale. Like they, they look for the buggy kind of bad hardware with weird random issues. They fail to fix it. And then rather than fix it, they release a new model. That is the Microsoft mantra. None of this surprises me. I would not buy another Microsoft hardware product if it was free.

Jason Howell  (01:02:31):
Mm oh yeah. That's that's that's statement right there. But good to know. I know for a while I, Leo was using the surface studio for a lot of his podcasts in the main room. I don't know. So I

Ryan Hager (01:02:46):
Do hear good things about that. That might be an exception. I do hear very good things about that, but I've had a couple of surface tablets and they all have weird, random, annoying, frustrating issues that just never get fixed. They really a new model. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (01:03:01):
Ugh. Okay. No good. No good. So there you are. So, you know, you're, you're taking, unfortunately, that means that you're taking a chance when you buy the surface duo two, which supposedly fixed some of the problems of the original. Okay. Yeah, kind of sounds like don't do it. I think you might be right, right. There you go. All right. We are reaching near the end of the show. We've got a few emails here. AAA twi.tv. If you wanna send us an email, you can do that. That's coming up right now. All right. We got an email from, hold on a it's large enough that it's off my screen here. Maxim. Thank you for writing it Maxim. This is a little bit of a longer email, so I'll rattle through it here real quick. Max says it's a new year. I'm bringing back an old topic.

Jason Howell  (01:03:51):
That's right. I'm bringing back tablet talk. It hasn't been brought up since last year. We've talked about it a little bit, but anyways, my email is a two-parter part one. I bottle Lenovo P 11 pro about the same time as Ron been using it very regularly. And I'd like to put my 2 cents in about it. Hardware wise, one of the best tablets I've experienced, however, when it comes to software, it's not great in certain situations. The most annoying thing about this tablet for me is using it with a precision pen too. That's the stylist that Lenovo themselves bundled with the tablet. The global button shortcuts cannot be disabled or remapped, and they always run on top of in-app button functions and shortcuts. Even in the pre-installed note, taking apps that come with a tablet in the beginning, it was very annoying. Just ending up on the home screen or opening the smart navigation pain.

Jason Howell  (01:04:36):
Every time I press the button for an in-app erase shortcut. Okay. Part two, the software issues with the pen got so annoying to me that I flashed is it Fons, AO S P 12 GSI rom on my tablet. And I'm currently testing it out to see if it's worth losing out on things. Like all the Dobe services that Lenovo built into their version of Android, but on the bright side, my precision pen two works on this custom rom right out of the box. There are no annoying global pen button reaps. So this leads to his question. How do we all feel about custom ROMs in general? Have we used them before? Do we like them? And you know, I think we've kind of talked a little bit about this a little bit earlier. Kind of the general state of ROMs has seemed to slow down. That's not your real question though. Maxim it's it's like, how do we feel about Rams? And I mean, if you're new to the show, then you probably don't know that like in the early episodes, probably the first like four or five years of all about Android, I was obsessed with ROMs, hardcore flashing. I was really into to the point you

Ron Richards (01:05:38):
Were doing daily, daily, rom flashes and all that stuff. Oh gosh. And the best was on show days when it didn't work. And you were scrambling to get your phone working again. Like, oh man, I loved it. When Jason was like a master Romer, it was awesome. <Laugh>

Jason Howell  (01:05:52):
It was like how I, how I killed time at night on the couch, you know, like watching a or something like that. Meanwhile, I'm flashing a new rom because, because it was magical. It was like, okay, I've reached the, the capacity of this device, but now there's this new like software that I can, if I go through the work, I can put it on my device and it opens up this new playing field. It either looks different or it enables this option or this feature that I couldn't do before. It was just, it was, it was truly about maximizing my, use my capabilities with my device, but at a certain time, and we have talked about this on the show before at a certain time point in time, the capabilities of our devices were so built out that our reasons for feeling like we needed to, or wanted to flash ROMs kind of started to kind of trickle off, right?

Jason Howell  (01:06:42):
Like they were already offered in the software. The software was not as, as buggy. The, you know, they was already very capable. We could already customize it in the ways that we used to need a rom in order to do that. So I think RO ROMs and, and the creation of them and the, the community around is amazing is one of the things that I love about Android. It's just not something that I do very much anymore. How do you all feel about ROMs at this point? Kind of in, in 2022? What do you think Ryan?

Ryan Hager (01:07:10):
I haven't used one for a while.

Jason Howell  (01:07:11):
Myself. No, neither by I'm flash one in, in quite a while. I don't even know the last time that I flashed a, I just haven't. I mean, it's been years at this point, just don't don't really need to, but, but you know, you take your tablet and th there was this feature that was really annoying. You and you had an alternative, right? Like you had an option. If Lenova, wasn't gonna give you the, the ability to change that global pin button shortcut or whatever you wanted to do with that, heck this other person over here that built this rom for your tablet made it possible. And that's just really cool. You can't do that on, on iOS, you know, that's, that's what I love about Android.

Ron Richards (01:07:52):
Yeah. I, I love the, I love that it exists. It's not something that I have the time to play with, but I love that the option is there. If someone wants to go in that direction, they can. So totally. I was

Ryan Hager (01:08:02):
Debating actually this very weekend. Cuz I was thinking again about you know, the upcoming awesome phone. I got to talk to the founders late, late last year about it. And we spent like this wasn't in the interview, but we spent like half the time geeking out about the build materials that they used for the essential pH one. Because I, I love to talk about that stuff, especially because, you know, they were one of the first companies and the only company really to do titanium frame ceramic back all these super premium materials. So I was going this weekend to flash Linea OS on my pH one and see what the phone was like again, you know, reusing it on a more modern rom today, but I just CS prep, I didn't have time. One of these days I will do it.

Jason Howell  (01:08:49):
Good, good. But you know, you're opening a can of worms on that stuff. Cuz I also remember, you know, picking out my rom and, and thinking it was gonna go so easy and then being up for like three hours and being like, why isn't this working? But by God it was, it was my device. I needed to get it to a point to where I could use it. So, you know, sometimes you open that can of worms and you can't put 'em back in <laugh> yeah. Fun times. All right. You got the,

Ron Richards (01:09:16):
All right. Next email comes from Hilton from Virginia who says, have you had any trouble with charging your pixel six? I have a pixel six pro noticed lately that it seems to run warm and charge inconsistently. I thought it was a problem with my third party wireless quick charging extend, but then I noticed that a trip, it never charges in the car either. I have a wireless quick charger there as well. I also got the pixel stand too recently and used this included cable and charger, but no change. I never have any, I never had any issues with my old pixel four XL, but with my six pro I see the batteries usually above 105 degrees Fahrenheit and in the battery settings that will show connected, but not charging or charging with some ridiculous time remaining like a day or so until charged. I see the, a Google search that a lot of people seem to be reporting this. Just wondering if you noticed it or new someone at Google that could speak about this issue. <Laugh>

Ryan Hager (01:10:03):
So I have a little bit to share about this the December update and I believe the, the recent patches for the January update both contains some fixes for wireless charging. Secondarily I know the pixel stand two, the new pixel stand for the pixel six pro full personality for it, full charging speed. Won't be delivered and wouldn't have been delivered until the December update, which has been postponed and you won't get until January. So I know that some of the recent patch notes for the last couple of updates, which of course the pixel six hasn't gotten right. Address specifically wireless charging. So I would, I would suspect it's gonna be fixed when the January update rolls out and you'll full charging speed off of your pixel stand two once the January update roll out.

Jason Howell  (01:10:42):
Oh yeah. You, you nailed it. That's. That's what you gotta wait for then. It's unfortunately you have to wait for it, but <laugh>, that's where we're at right now with the pixel six. It's just the way it is. Yeah, it sucks. I haven't noticed any it shoes like I've I, I mean I'm wireless charging my six pro on the previous pixel stand, which I have downstairs. I don't have the upgraded one the latest one, but I mean, seems to be charging fine to me. Yeah, no, no charging issues on my end, but it sounds like that's probably what you're looking at. Hilton.

Ron Richards (01:11:18):
Likewise. I haven't seen any problems, so yeah.

Jason Howell  (01:11:22):
Yep. Thanks for writing in though. And if, if others out there have had issues, let us know AAA twit TV. And finally it is time for the very first of 20, 22 email of the week.

Jason Howell  (01:11:39):
All right. Jerome Jerome wrote in to say, after listening to several conversations you've had about devices that belong in the Android hall of fame, I was surprised that a few devices were never mentioned, and I should just throw in here real quick, if you listen. The best of the last clip that we included in the best of was a clip that wasn't from the show at all. It was from a discord chat that we did for club TWI members. And it was basically the three of us kind of talking about like, whoa we have in the Android hall of fame. And it was just so much fun. We decided to put it in the best of, I think that's part of what Jerome is, is writing in about. So if you haven't checked out the best of check it out, if, if anything for that conversation, cuz you probably missed it. If you're not a member of club TWI anyways, back to the email says, what about the T-Mobile G one, the phone that started at all without it Android, wouldn't be where it is now. So I feel worthy of inclusion personally. I feel it should be the inaugural induct. And I'll read these piece by piece. Do we, do we agree that a hall of fame device pick, should be given to the T-Mobile G one? I never had it, but it is the first like consumer Android device. It's notable. Here's

Ron Richards (01:12:51):
Here's the thing as, as the person who came up with the right hall of fame concept I feel like the criteria for the phone needs to, it needs to be stated before you start, considering who gets in and who doesn't get in. And for me, the criteria is a memorable phone in terms of both functionality and longevity in, in terms of the design, you know industrial design and how, how good of a phone it was. Right. I mean, back during that era, none of them lasted very long. So I don't know if necessarily that's fair. A lot of those phones got updates for like six months, eight months at best. Exactly. And, and I think, and that's, and that's the thing I had the, the T-Mobile G one, it like, it was fun to, it was, yeah, it was fun to use when I got it.

Ron Richards (01:13:40):
Cause it was the first Android phone. It was not a good phone. It was flimsy, it was plastic. It like, I was worried it was gonna break, you know, like it didn't have a track fall, which is pretty cool. But like, you know, like the thing about the hall of fame is, and you can't just go, willynilly letting anybody in, right? Like there's gotta be, there's gotta be a level and sure. There's, you know, honorarium for G G one being the first, but we're not talking like Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon kind of thing. Like the, the first guy to play baseball isn't in the hall of fame. Right. Taka is right. So you gotta, you gotta, you gotta set the bars, you know, like, so we,

Ryan Hager (01:14:18):
We could give it an honorable mention for most satisfyingly clicky, but I did it wrong. The snap out. Yes.

Jason Howell  (01:14:26):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There you go.

Ron Richards (01:14:29):
It was very satisfying. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (01:14:31):
But, but by the way, Ryan probably has every single phone. We're about to list here. Sure. Sooner,

Ryan Hager (01:14:36):
Have you seen that? That's

Jason Howell  (01:14:37):
A cool one. We, we have had it on the show. I haven't seen it in person, but yeah, that's pretty. And that, and meanwhile, that, that would be notable, but it wouldn't be in the hall of fame. Right. Like that's you see that notable?

Ron Richards (01:14:48):
That's the distinction. That's the distinction. And, and my thought about is is that like the hall of fame is a no-brainer you don't think about it. You're like, yeah. That's all like the nexus five that is a hall of fame device. That device was, was, was perfect for the time it did what it needed. It, it, it, it delivered, you know, a quality service for more than a year. Like, it was great. I'm saying like, when you go VI, when you go visit the hall of fame, there's an exhibit about the history of Android and the G one is there, but it's not in the hall of fame. So

Jason Howell  (01:15:17):
<Laugh>, I think that's really fair. Yeah. It's, it's the display that you that you get to look at while you're in line to enter the big room with a hall of fame and it's got like a ride out, like the very first Android phone was the, and it's, and

Ron Richards (01:15:30):
I'll be honest

Ryan Hager (01:15:31):
On the wall while you're walking in.

Ron Richards (01:15:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. The history. And I'll be honest. I will, I will be the hardest critic of who gets in and who doesn't get in. Cuz you gotta have standards. You can't let anybody in, you know, you will.

Jason Howell  (01:15:43):
Okay. So then continuing on with the email and also backed up by our own Victor in slack, who just said with that criteria, I would start with the.do, and I'll read the rest of the email here. Our, our email or Jerome said you also neglected to include the Samsung galaxy S3. I think what's this say here? I think with with this was the device. Oh, oh, I think that this was the device that established Samsung as the top Android main manufacturer prior to this device, the galaxy S two was still stuck in the grip of carrier politics. Hence why there were four versions in the us and, oh my goodness. I remember that era where you had four different versions of a device and that really, really sucked. The S three was an incredibly popular device. It was totally a flagship marque moment for Samsung where it crossed over. And I mean, it was from the S3 and on that Samsung dominated with its S series. I actually back this up, I think this deserves to be in the hall of fame. What do you think? I,

Ryan Hager (01:16:46):
I agree with the original logic, cause I think the implication here is that you guys had the S two and not the S3 and the, the success of the S3 was built in my opinion, on the S two, the S3 didn't succeed because the S3 was such a good phone, the S3 succeeded because it was the phone that came out after the S two and the S two like cemented Android's position for all of the carriers for all of customers until then Android.

Ron Richards (01:17:09):
Wasn't what it was until the S two.

Jason Howell  (01:17:12):
Right? Yeah. Oh, so, so is, would you then push for the S two over the S three? That's

Ron Richards (01:17:17):
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Jason Howell  (01:17:19):
Ah, okay. Interesting. I'm like it the way this is going, what do you think, Ron?

Ron Richards (01:17:23):
I mean, I'm not a Samsung guy, so I can't, yeah, I can't, I can't attribute personal kind of usage other, but I'm looking, I'm going down memory lane and I'm looking at the S3 and I'm looking at the S two. And while I agree with both points being made about the importance in the history of Android, I don't think the device itself is hall of fame worthy, really? So, but that said go to the next one. Jason.

Jason Howell  (01:17:47):
<Laugh> I know we're getting had tons of emails about this stuff, by the way. I love it. <Laugh> Jerome continues. We also can't exclude the galaxy note. It seems fair to say all big phones today owe their existence to this one device. What do we think?

Ron Richards (01:18:05):
I, I think the note is a hall of fame device because it, the changed the paradigm. It changed the game and it launched a whole line and it, it, it drove the, the, the growth of phones happened because Samsung took a chance on the note. Well, hold on. Cause that's almost the exact same argument you used to invalidate the G one, you

Jason Howell  (01:18:26):
Said it had to that's right. I was gonna say the same thing. Totally. I'm happy you caught that. Cuz that was a good call out of that too. I was like, wait a yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Hey, see these, these rules. They're they're I

Ron Richards (01:18:41):
Didn't use yeah. They're fluid and I didn't use the note myself either the same. I would, I would I'm anti any Samsung, to be honest with you, but I, I, yeah, let's a good, that's a good point. <Laugh> we should keep, we should keep, we should remind everybody that the only phone that is firmly in Scott, the hall of fame up to this point is the nexus five. I think we've discussed other potential devices being put in there, but I don't think we've actually written them down. And I need someone to keep track of when we talk about these to make sure that we're consistent. Like I need we're where's the Wiki when we have, when we

Jason Howell  (01:19:12):
Need it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I should we have a tab in our, in our rundown doc that says randomness, I should put these in there because on hall of fame in there on that on that discord chat, we did kind of like, that was kind of part of what that was. It was an on the spot kind of like hall of fame picks and stuff. So we should at least have those in there. And then Jerome says, I would also add the original droid as well because let's face it. T-Mobile didn't have the cloud in, in 20, sorry. In 2007 that it does today. The droid on Verizon got Android into more hands. I mean, I was, that's a good point. I was a droid user. I would back that up. I thought it was, but, but at the same me, like I would, I, I feel like I'm, I'm more emotional about the droid pick than I am. Like what is its true importance? I mean, it really was actually, it really was the, the device that at that time brought Android into the public kind of knowledge space in a major way. Like everybody remember those commercials, the, the droid commercials and yeah, it seemed like a pretty darn important device at the time. Of course I bought into it. So I I'm more emotional about it. What do you think

Ryan Hager (01:20:25):
Ryan? So I didn't have one, but I agree that it should actually be on this list and I would put this as your first inductee after the nexus five because it was such a successful phone and it was such a successful phone because it was super successful. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I know that Verizon spent a ton of money marketing it cuz I think I got this from the Che Hases Android book, but they were that they didn't have the iPhone. So they spent a ton ton of money fighting at and T by marketing the crap out of this Android phone they got. Yeah. And so a lot of its success does come down to marketing, but a lot of its success also does come down to, it was just a pretty good phone. Now at the time phones suck, there weren't a lot of good phones, especially outside of the iPhone. Like Android phones kind of had some drawbacks. The droid was very good though.

Jason Howell  (01:21:09):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean that, that was my first Android phone was the Motorola droid. And when we're talking about, you know, rooting and ramming and all that stuff, that was the device that I was doing it with. I mean, at least initially, because I kind of hit the capacity of what it could do and the, the ROMs, the RO scene around it, you know, it was just super compelling. So it was a fun device. I had so much fun with that device. Anyways, and the

Ron Richards (01:21:37):
Thing, the thing is like, if we wanted to take this all seriously, like I would, you know, like going back to the HCC one, like, do you remember the, the HCC M seven? Like that phone was a game changer, two in terms of the design. And remember we were complaining about how all phones looked, you know, looked the same, and then you had this like, you know, kind of different approach to it. It's like, they're different. It's like, it's such a, it's such a, it's such a mix of the phone itself and its moment in time and what it meant for and Ryan to your point, like the marketing around it and how it affected the community. You know, a lot of nuance to making these decisions. It's, it's not an easy decision, you know, I think all, all of these are really good things to consider. And Jason, I feel like what we might need to do is we might need to a go back in time and look at what we've already discussed so far. Right. Cause I feel like we talked about Chromecast getting in there. And I feel like, and in video was it Invidia shield? Did that get in there too? I thought we were talking about that.

Ryan Hager (01:22:33):
Definitely be in there.

Ron Richards (01:22:35):
Yeah. But, and then what I think we do is I think we, we set a date like later this year for like the induc like we should, we should make a program out of this have like, this is gonna be the hall of fame day when we're gonna induc. Yeah, exactly. And like, yeah, like we should really build something out of it. I think so

Jason Howell  (01:22:51):
Android deserves a hall of fame. Dang

Ron Richards (01:22:54):
It, it does.

Jason Howell  (01:22:55):
<Laugh> it deserves pop circumstance. By the way you mentioned the HTC one the HT C M seven, which I forgot that it was the M seven, but the HTC one and I'm looking at a picture of it. And I realize that my, my interpretation of that device now is, is tainted by the fact that so many devices came out after the fact that looked identical to it. That now when I look at it as the originator, I'm like, eh, even though, you know what I mean, they all of the ch the Chinese knockoff phones that came out after the, at the HTC one had that like aluminum. I mean, they, they were all super interchangeable and it feels to me, like it started right around the HTC one era. And so it was cool at the time. And with history, you know, it's not as cool, but yep. It was then anyways fun times. That's why Jerome, your email was the email of the week. So thank you for sending it in.

Ron Richards (01:23:59):
That was a hall of fame email. I'll tell you that. That's

Jason Howell  (01:24:01):
For sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was good. That was fun. And a hall of fame episode, if I do say so myself, Ryan Hager, thank you so much for joining us this week. And anytime you're on, we just really appreciate your time. Android police.com is where you're writing. If people wanna follow what you're up to, where can they find you? And I imagine, I mean, if you have the, if you, if you want to, you can tease anything you have coming up. But I imagine the thing that, that people are, you know, can look forward to is your review of the S 21 F Fe?

Ryan Hager (01:24:31):
Yeah, the, I have the S 21 Fe coming up further out. I have a couple of other plans. We'll see if any of them actually pan out, you know, how it is, you pitch something. Yep. We'll see. But I do have, as always, I write fun stuff. I write good stuff and you can come read, you do my fun and good at Android police or follow my some of my garbage takes like my take on stadia and marketing and blah, blah, blah, at, at Ryan Hager on Twitter. I spell my name oddly. So you'll need to look that up. Just Google it. You you'll probably find it

Jason Howell  (01:25:02):
Right on Ryan. I, I don't think your takes are garbage takes. I thought the stadi points that you were my around stadium, we're actually really, really poignant. So I,

Ryan Hager (01:25:10):
For sharing post that stuff off of Twitter, I just, I, I, I, I generally talk about my cabin there. It's just pretty much just the cabin, Twitter, the cats, that's it. Yeah.

Jason Howell  (01:25:19):
<Laugh> right on. Well, thank you for taking time. Happy new year. It's great to see you again, and we will have you back very soon. Appreciate it, Ryan. Ron, what do you wanna talk about? What do you want people to know?

Ron Richards (01:25:29):
Not much new year, same me. You can follow me at Twitter and Instagram at Ron XO. It's that time of year, if you enjoy Christmas trees, discarded Christmas trees, you might wanna tune into my, into my Instagram account. Cuz I am cataloging the trees I see around the neighborhood. Cuz I like to do that. I don't know why I started doing it. Cause I thought it was funny when I saw a discarded Christmas tree in August in San Francisco and now it's become a thing where people send me pictures of their discarded Christmas tree. I didn't ask for it. It just happens. <Laugh> so yeah. And of course go check out score bit. If you're in the pinball, you can download the score bit app in the Google play store and keep track of your scores and find places to play pinball and do cool stuff like that. But yeah, that's it for

Jason Howell  (01:26:12):
Me right on. Thank you Ron. Happy new year, happy new year. And to a wonderful 20, 22 on all about Android big thanks to Burke at the studio for pushing buttons, doing the news bumper breaking news, all that kind of stuff with us and applauding himself pretty, pretty appropriate. Also big thanks to Victor behind the scenes for editing this show, making it happen so that you actually get it in your ears and your eyes after the fact couldn't do without Victor as well. I, you know, you me on twi@twi.tv you're already there. Thank you. Thank you very much. Doing Tech News Weekly with Mikah Sargent every Thursday. So twit.tv/tnw find me on Twitter at Jason Howell. Anything important that I need to post I'll probably do it there. Don't forget. twit.tv/clubtwit. That's Club TWiT where we offer all of our shows with absolutely no ads.

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Ron Richards (01:28:03):
Happy new year.

Mikah Sargent (01:28:06):
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Speaker 7 (01:28:25):
Okay.