All About Android Episode 569 Transcript

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Jason Howell (00:00:00):
Coming up next on all about Android. It's me, Jason Howell, and my co-host Huyen Tue Dao and Ron Richards. And we got a lot of news to talk about this week. Android's beta-mageddon, as I'm gonna call it right now. Also Xiaomi's 12 Pro gets a global release. More Samsung devices have been caught throttling. Archiving is hopefully coming to Android 13 or at least a version coming soon in the near future also plays you download as another feature. Sounds really interesting improving smart home control with an update to the home app that I think is long overdue. Plus your email and a whole lot more next, not all about Android

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Ron Richards (00:01:41):
And I'm Ron Richards.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:01:44):
And I'm Huyen Tue Dao.

Jason Howell (00:01:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was kind of hoping that today magically, you would both appear at the table and that would just be the way it is going forward.

Ron Richards (00:01:52):
I gotta tell you after, after getting a taste of it last week definitely, I sat down to do the show. I'm like this doesn't feel right. Wait a minute. Where's Jason, you should be next to me.

Jason Howell (00:02:02):
The safe, the Comfort of your screen, once again, I know

Ron Richards (00:02:05):
It was very nice to be there with y'all in the studio and I look forward to next time I can do it. But yeah, but back home, back home safe.

Jason Howell (00:02:13):
Back home safe. Yes. well, that's good. Yes. I'm, I'm happy to hear that as well, but it was great having you out here when next time you're in the area, definitely let us know. We've gotta spot at the table for you. It'd be awesome to do a show with you in person. We'll make it happen.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:02:29):
Heck yes. Heck yes. I always been to like, visit like for I/O in the before times and I kind of just never, you know, just never did. And then it's just like, oh, regret much regret.

Jason Howell (00:02:39):
Well, and then we've lost two years of our lives to strangeness. So we're getting back into the swing of things. I'm, I'm totally holding out hope that IO is gonna be an in person thing this year. I'm feeling, I'm feeling like that's probably what's gonna happen that maybe things can return to normal and then maybe we'll see it, you know, cause I will certainly have to be there. Hope so. Hopefully you'll be there too. We have a lot of stiff to talk about and I kind of can't wait to talk about this top news item. So let's jump right in and check in on some news,

Burke McQuinn (00:03:16):
My Grand vision for Android news is to always end with a compliment from Ron.

Jason Howell (00:03:21):
I have to know though, I have to know, was that floating goat intentional? Or did you even know that that was the bumper? The play?

Burke McQuinn (00:03:32):
Oh, oh yeah, of course. Okay I mean relevant dude, it's in the very news article.

Jason Howell (00:03:40):
I don't, I don't think he knows that there's a goat floating across the street anyways. Thank you, Burke. All right. When this is awesome, because we, we did already actually I realized we kind of already talked about your time on the Android show. Not, not this Android show, the Android show that Google put out, but but now, now everybody's had a chance to, to watch it and to hear kind of some, there, there was some news to pull from it. So I thought, yeah, I thought maybe we circle back on this.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:13):
It's really fun. Yeah. Remember when we had Will on and like, basically it was like us interrogating him, but like all the articles I had written was like, well, will you wrote this? And you wrote that. And I was like, oh, that must be so awkward. And then I saw this pop up on the, on the sheet for the, for my show prep. And I was like, oh, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna talk about that. So yeah. So if y'all, didn't get to see it. Last week we released the Android show, hashtag the Android show. We just basically a kind of Google marketing slash kind of announcement, YouTube extravaganza of both news, kind of talking about like the newest things with Android thirteens and developers stuff like jet pack compose. And then we also did a couple of, well, actually not a couple, but several interviews.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:04:57):
And there was kind of like the three main things were jet pack composed animations and tablets tablets can't get away from large screens. And part of that was basically a small segment where we did an interview with rich minor, who is one of the co-founders of Android. And now is CTO of tablets and we really kind of wanted to ask him, so what's the deal with tablets and where does Google see large screen and their role in it and why our tablet's a thing right now? Why are we coming back to this conversation? And yeah, that was basically it. And rich had a lot of really interesting things to say. I think that, you know, for me, as well as a dev, like I've seen the enthusiasm and the push from Google to develop large screen experiences. But, and then I say this it's kind of like I'm piping up my own stuff.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:05:44):
But I do sincerely mean that I was actually very interested in what Rich had to say, because you kind of talked about a few angles that I wasn't aware of. And I think one of the biggest takeaways is that yes in 2019 they saw a kind of big shift in tablet sales and that, you know, that, and just in general, a rich sees it as kind of a moving of folks from laptops to tablets. Like maybe that tablets are, you know, kind of maturing. Third manufacturers are coming up with great peripherals. People are kind of like getting into tablets as a way to, you know, replace their laptops, which are generally larger, a little bit more expensive. And, you know, and rich was basically saying, yeah, he just sees a shift. Continuing. I think they, that he cited some like roughly fight and figures saying that tablet sales are keeping track with and possibly one day surpassing laptop sales and basically, yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:06:43):
Which was really interesting to me. And I think the laptop angle is pretty interesting because I never thought about that myself. I'm, I'm always kind of thinking how do I take a phone thing and blow it up to a tablet. But I think the, the kind of insight that maybe not necessarily that we're taking phones and making them bigger, but that we're taking laptops and making them, I guess, a little more, a little more portable, even though they already are portable a little bit cheaper. And and that coming at from that angle. And I think that what he'd like to see in the future or what we, he expects to see in the future is people trying to find an, a niche, a niche, a niche for tablets, like cuz like I think what was interesting was he said, well, when we first, you know, developed like phones like Android and, and, and iOS that it was all about taking real life and putting it into a phone.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:07:31):
And we, they had to make, they had to make, you know, web experiences. They had to make desktop experiences fit on a phone. And now we're kind of one level above that where we're trying to make experiences fit on a tablet. And what he would like to see is, you know, tablet only, or tablet specific, how can we really use tablets in an appropriate way, not just size up phones, but what are, as we've already talked about in the show, what are the killer tablet applications that's gonna make that are gonna make people think, oh, this is cool. So yeah, that would, I did that. I didn't do that. Rich did most of talking, I just asked questions.

Jason Howell (00:08:03):
I thought, I just thought it was awesome to see you did great. Yeah. Yeah. You did a fantastic job if you did. Oh, thank you. And they, wow. They, they really produced that show.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:12):
Let me say it was a production like there was a lot, I actually got into like a proper recording booth and I had the headphones, there was a little recording light. It was really great. Cool. And then it was like a proper film crew. So it's a, it's a really, it was a really good experience and yeah, I mean, if you're interested, I mean, there's usually it's mostly, it's very developer heavy. Of course I sent it to all my family of course. And the feedback was all like, we really didn't understand most of it, but you did a great job.

Jason Howell (00:08:37):
I've heard that one before. I've heard that one times. It is actually.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:08:41):
So but it, it was really fun. And I, I really did enjoy and appreciate Rich's insight into it because I, cuz anecdotally I'm actually hearing that more and more like, oh, like my parents or my friend's parents actually don't have laptops. They have iPads and other tablets. So I, I, it's kind of, I never thought about that before. So I just think like, this is kind of part of, for me, even this week, a contextualization of tablets, even as like an Android dev and trying to figure out where we fit into it. And I think it's really interesting and this really got me thinking is that, you know, we keep kind of struggling with making phones, phone apps, like blow up to tablets. But really like from this perspective, from, from what rich was saying, tablets are more like in the space of desktop desktop laptops.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:09:30):
And so maybe the, and, and again, like again, like kind of like ways we saying, but I think just very explicit that, yeah, there's gonna be a crossover point where tablets aren't big phones. They're really just lighter, lighter, lighter laptops. And that maybe that is like the approach. And that kind of got me thinking a little bit of ChromeOS and well having a separate yeah. And having a separate and like, I mean, ChromeOS was trying to do that already. Right. But it's not working. And I wonder for a dev is kind of weird because I think that as with the struggles that we're having with making large screen development happen, we had even more struggle making chromes happen. So maybe this is where we're going. We're like, we're, we're like trying different things through different darts. It's like, okay. How about a, a laptop light OS how about like Android large screens? And hopefully maybe we will the pendulum or not the pendulum, but something will kind of settle, settle, settle, and we'll figure out how to make large screens work. But anyway, it's a really great interview if you're, I would just encourage y'all to like listen to rich in his much more articulate thoughts on how he feels about tablets. Cuz it it's, it's a good question. It's a good answer to the question. Why is Google pushing this so hard? Or why, what does Google see in tablets

Jason Howell (00:10:35):
And why is so why? So land, he really makes the case. Why kind of like, you know, we saw that shift starting in 2019 and by the way, that's before COVID. So you know, it, one could, could argue that, oh, COVID comes along and suddenly we're all at home and you know, our, our, our habits shifted and that's why, and this is actually happening, you know, by his estimation anyways at least a year year prior to that. And looking, you know, looking Google, looking at tablets through a different lens. Now, I guess we just kind of hope, you know, cuz Google's done a lot of work with 12.1 to make things better for the larger screen form factor. And now we just kind of hope, okay, our dev, our developer's gonna then pick up the ball and run with, and,

Ron Richards (00:11:18):
And that goes back and that, and that goes back to the vicious cycle because if there's not enough people buying and using tablets, then it'll be hard for developers to justify the time and the effort and you know, and that cycle goes unless Google steps in and starts funding development or partnering with people or like really making the push for it. But it's funny because you know, you know, after watching that and talking about at, and, and, you know, kind of mentioning it here, you know, I'm, I'm trying to think of as a tablet user, you know, the, the tablet experiences that are most notably noticeably different on tablet versus phone or even desktop or whatever. And of course it comes to mind and of course it's Google app, but you know, technically like the YouTube app itself, if you watch horizontally on and also the YouTube TV app, you know, you, it doesn't like most, you know, media consumption apps, you know, Netflix Disney plus what have you, the video goes full screen.

Ron Richards (00:12:09):
It takes up the full width of the, of the, of the tablet. Yeah. But on the YouTube TV or YouTube apps, the, the, the video content actually takes up maybe yeah. Two thirds of the screen. And then like, especially a YouTube TV for sports, you get a panel with a bunch of sports references with, with statistics and like ways to enhance what you're watching. Because you do have like, you know, a, that connection to of data, but that screen real estate to bubble up other information contextual to what you are watching. And that's what makes me think about like, what is a tablet experience different than just watching a baseball game on TV.

Jason Howell (00:12:42):
Right. But yeah, the difference between that, that extra co contextualize kind of opportunity and just a dumb screen to like exactly the screen with the video, because as he said, you know, that was kind of largely what was happening in the early days. Right? Like we, he said, we realized the tablets were really great consumption devices. How can they be more? And it seems like that's kind of part of what Google's really thinking about now is how can we make the, the Android tablet more than just a consumption device, which, I mean, any device can really be a consumption device, you know, play the video full screen. It, any display is gonna do well in that regard. Yeah. How could it be more than that? Yeah. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:13:20):
But it's really funny cuz I think in the last last week I just happened to have keep running across things or having conversations with people, maybe coincidentally, because this stuff came out and I was tweeting about it or whatever, but I, it kind of occurred to me that it this week that it's not necessarily even an Android problem. So on like MKB NKB HDS podcast, I've run ranted about this in slack, like earlier in the week. But like they, I think last week were talking about the Instagram iPad app and I kind of just assumed, you know, iPad probably is just made like people just have a Y usage. And I actually started using an iPad recently because wanted to kind of understand the large screen story on iPad for both work and just for all of this to understand, okay, what is it that iPad is doing that Android tablets are not? And what was really surprising to me is that the Instagram, Instagram doesn't actually have a full iPad experience. Like if you look at it, it's literally just the phone experience, like in floating in the sea of, of iPads. It has

Jason Howell (00:14:14):
Been for years. Yep.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:14:16):
And it has been for years and it actually came up on waveform, which is M K B's podcast with, and I'm a terrible person. I forget to co name. And he actually tweeted at, on Nathan Morrisey, who I think Nathan Morrisey, who is the head of Instagram and they had a back and forth a little bit about it. And it was, it was really interesting to me cuz like the things that the head of Instagram cited as reasons why I don't have one is exactly are exactly the problems that we have. Like basically, you know it takes effort like any additional screen is extra overhead. They don't have the usage on it. And you know, even though Instagram is a huge successful app, even though it's part of meta, they probably presumably have a lot of money. They, they, what was the comment was like it's leaner than you think.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:00):
And so the workings of a company and where they put money in, where they invest is a lot different than you assume. Just because a company is several billion, many billions of dollars. It doesn't necessarily mean they're they have the money to throw it, throw at every single little thing. So if they don't see the usage, they certainly aren't gonna put the money in there, which I thought was absolutely fascinating. And then other things like they made comments like, you know, we know we, we're not developers, but is it isn't it easy to like add, just add a like tablet experience? Like I was like, oh I, gosh. So this is what, so I

Jason Howell (00:15:30):
Had a little, I'm hearing that as a developer. Well, isn't it easy? I'm sure I've said it on this show before. It's gotta be pretty easy to just blah, blah, blah. We have no idea because

Huyen Tue Dao (00:15:39):
If you don't know yeah. That's, that's, that's what you think. And I just thought it was really interesting that yeah. Oh, maybe this for, okay. So maybe it's not necessarily that, that these things are easier for the iPad. There's some other missing sauce here that it's not necessarily about. It's easier on iPad or that it's a given on iPad. That the, that you're always gonna have like an app. I, I just thought that was super interesting. And yeah, I, I just keep thinking about it and yeah, I use an iPad this week I had to do, I used it for crossword actually, which was really, really fun. But yeah, it anyway,

Jason Howell (00:16:12):
No, no shame in using an iPad as far as I, no shame. I mean, it's a great tablet. I mean, there's a, there's a reason that it's been as successful as it is period. End of story. Alright, well, that's awesome. Congratulations on that interview. Thank you. And the show really great stuff. Ron, you got the next one.

Ron Richards (00:16:30):
Yeah. So get excited. Those of you who want more beta programs

Ron Richards (00:16:37):
Cause

Jason Howell (00:16:37):
Guess what you want betas in your beta?

Ron Richards (00:16:39):
Oh, you've got, you got so many betas. We got, we got betas for the operating system and now we've got beta, a beta program for pixel feature drops. So the Android 12 QPR three beta one was released last week and stands for quarterly platform release which is the, you know, insider lingo for the, the pixel feature drops. Anybody already enrolled in the Android, 12 L beta will be automatically updated to the QP Q P R three beta one on the beta track. But many, many people are confused and have said that they're on a perpetual beta cycle. If they want off the beta train, the over the air update will wipe their device to start over. So in order to avoid a wipe, users would need to not install the new beta over the air, then manually flash to 12.1, stable and then unenrolled from the beta which is, you know, challenging even for the, the, and time consuming even for the, the, the, the most expert level of phone user. And this has made more difficult for pixel six owners, of course, as there is no stable 12.1 version yet available. So yeah,

Jason Howell (00:17:49):
Because pixel six keeps getting plagued by this whole version thing. I mean, this is, I mean, on one hand, it doesn't, hasn't really impacted me directly that much, like I kind of don't care, but on the other hand, it is a mess. Like it really actually is quite surprising that Google's big flagship device. The one that it's really, you know, marketed especially this time around as like a big C change for its hardware efforts has been so MARD with this whole update thing. And it's really impacted like people are, I think, understandably upset about that. It's kinda like I bought a pixel because I wanted the pixel experience and we're not getting the experience with the six. And again, like, I kind of don't feel that personally, like I'm F whatever, but I, but I also am okay to like encounter issues and bugs because I'm so used to it at this point because of this show. But I don't know. It's, it's, I, I think, I think people have, have the right to be upset if they are, you know, that they're not getting what they were promised.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:18:52):
I mean, I had to look up which, which version was, which between 12 L that became 12.1. And then what's 12 Q PR three, and then there's Android 13. I kind of had like a little bit of a developer, like crisis of faith or something. Like, do I actually know what's going on with Android? Cause I don't think I do. Cause there's so many betas and it's

Jason Howell (00:19:12):
So keep up on it now. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:15):
And I just, I actually had to look it up and it's like, yeah. So like QPR three could be thought of as like 12.2. So think 12 point 12 L is two 12.1. QPR is gonna be 12.2. Sorry. See, I can't even explain it. So yeah. So that 0.1 is 12. Oh, this is gonna be 12.2 and then maybe we'll just be into 13 before we get any further. And by the way, also I totally FD up the head of Instagram's name. His name is Adam Moari

Jason Howell (00:19:41):
Moer. That's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:42):
Right. I don't, I don't even know you were so close.

Jason Howell (00:19:44):
You were so close when don't

Huyen Tue Dao (00:19:45):
Worry. I thank you for saying that. I was like, I was like in the, in like, not even in like stadium, I was like in this stadium, like about a thousand miles away in Colorado. My bad sir. But anyway, yeah, it's I, it is so confusing and I, I listen. Yeah, this is the kind of thing makes me think. Am I really a dev? I don't, I can't follow this at all. I don't understand what version of Andrews complicated.

Jason Howell (00:20:08):
Yeah. I don't know that it's necessarily, you're not a dev as you can't follow Google's beta roll out of a million different things all at once, which on one hand it's kinda like, okay, great. Well, they give you the options. We, we like to have the freedom and the option to, to kind of pick and choose. On the other hand, it is confusing and should be reminded that, you know, probably a lot of people, some of the people that are getting confused are people that probably don't have a reason to run the betas anyways, other than interest and, and kind of curiosity, you know, it's like, you know, like I'm not a developer and I installed betas, but I'm, I'm always curious to see what the latest and greatest thing is. I know I'm not alone. Yeah. But I realize in doing that, that I'm going to encounter stuff that doesn't work or that might, you know, slow me down. And I guess I just kind of accept that personally, but you know, not everybody agrees, I suppose. So anyways, so it's getting a little confusing, but there you go.

Ron Richards (00:21:04):
They make you, they make you work for it. That's what we learned. Yeah. So, yeah.

Jason Howell (00:21:08):
And you know, you really appreciate it. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Google loves to have, have all of us beta test their products for them endlessly, forever and ever. Google has pushed out an update to Android devices in Ukraine via Google place services. So this was news happened last week. Good news. It's the air raid warning system it's gonna supplement the country's existing air raid alert systems. And I mean, it's no surprise that Google could do this. They already kind of had the system in place with earthquake alerts, earthquake warnings. So they're basically using the same system for this and it uses, you know, again, it uses the devices, approximate location, and then it sends air raid notifications as they're, you know, sent out and needed. Google does reiterate that the location data is private. They're not tracking this information doing personal tracking or anything of that sort. But very useful. I know in some of the tests that we read about with earthquakes, I have to imagine this is gonna be useful as well with error raids. It's just kind of depressing that something like this needs, needs to exist in, you know, in the long run anyways. But, but I think that's a really great use of Google's technology. And so I think everybody was kind of happy to hear that that was happening. Yeah. Little bit of positive news there, I suppose in the midst of a lot of negative news.

Ron Richards (00:22:35):
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Jason Howell (00:24:26):
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Ron Richards (00:25:04):
Well, we don't, we don't get to way, but we sure can complain about it. So J's global launch of the JME 12 series has arrived. So that happened even though we can't enjoy the JME phone, we can look at it and talk about it because the, the JME 12 and 12 pro have the snap dragon eight gen one with up to 12 gig of memory and 256 gig orange the pros get a 6.7 inch QHD plus 120 20 Hertz LTPO Amy a matter frosted glass finish to repel fingerprints, which I find fascinating big all 4,600 Milant battery with 120 wat wired charging and 50 wat wireless three 50 megapixel sensors on the back with, with two X telephoto. And it's the first to use the Sony IMX 7 0 8 sensor. Which is, I can never say this, Jason,

Jason Howell (00:25:56):
I it's a one to 1.2, eight inch. Ature see.

Ron Richards (00:26:00):
I would say, I would say one over 1.28, but it's one to 1.28 inch aperture which gives great low light you gathering for your photos. Yeah. And it's available in Europe, Southeast Asia, Africa, middle east Latin America for the low, low price of $999 ish. So ish. Yeah, depending on currencies and all stuff like that. So Hey AMI, cool flagship phone at a thousand dollars as we continue to stick to the flagship, a dollar price tag. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:26:29):
For the pro. And I mean, they have others in the 12 series that are less than that. That's that's their ultra though is a thousand. So yeah. And I mean, you know, once again, it looks like a nice phone. I like, I like the glass with the frosting so that you don't get it all Smoy and stuff like, I like, I like when phones do that, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Because the finger Printy thing is it's never fun. It's always the easy complaint that someone can make. Right. Oh, it's a fingerprint magnet. It's like, yeah, well it's glass. I mean, put your fingerprint on it and sheet of glass, you're probably gonna see your fingerprints. We're oily. Humans are oily. So it's just the fact of the matter. So the frost glass thing is a, is a good way around that. But when I'm curious from a developer standpoint, cause I know, you know, developers have to think about how their, how their apps run on different devices. How, and, and I mean, Shami is such a, a powerhouse in other parts of the world, not here, but how, like what has your experience or your team's experience been like testing with Shami phones or is that something that like Google handles in the cloud you don't have to do directly?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:27:39):
I know we had to deal with it. Actually I think Shami is one of our top, like for Trello specifically, I think Shami is in our, I would, okay. I wanna kind of give it some leeway in case I'm wrong, but just like with the Instagram head name, absolutely wrong, but I believe that Shami is in our top five in terms of OEMs that our app is installed on N yes, we've definitely had issues. Just like, you know, we always complained about occasionally Samsung having these very specific, like particular OEM bugs with just how they have their own particular flavor of Android works. Occasionally we get bugs that only happen on a Samsung device. And so usually in that case, it, our, our dev our really awesome tester, Eric usually just has a, he has like a whole little setup of many different flavor and varieties of phones that he's able to kind of test on.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:28:27):
Usually tries to keep it with a flagship. And that has definitely happened where we have had a SHA me specific bug. And it is really, really hard for us to debug. Interesting. Like we have, yeah, we have emulators. I see. Which are basically a little whether emulations of an device, but it can never replicate really the specific OEM, you know eccentricities in their flavor of Android. So having like physical devices is really, is really important. And when we have something like Shami, which has make us, makes up a huge part of our, you know, demographics, and we can't actually test on it, we just do the best we can. But it's really hard. Like a lot of times you just kind of go on the web, you, you research. And a lot of times if you're having this problem, someone else has, has had this problem before.

Jason Howell (00:29:14):
For sure. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:15):
And so you, you do the best you can, especially as being, being like, for example, a us based developer, you kind of just read, do research. And then a lot of times it it's literally writing in code if device is a, shall, may do something different. Oh, like we've literally had to do that. That is, that is, yes, it is absolutely nasty. You should never do that. And we don't want to

Ron Richards (00:29:35):
Do, that's like, that's like the, that's like the old, if I, you know, the in web and website development, if, if internet Explorer then

Jason Howell (00:29:40):
Do this and everybody else do that. Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:29:42):
Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah. And it's, it's kind of a thing like sometimes people, like, I think, you know, if someone, this is not, this is not like a industry approved strategy, but, you know, because we have quite a few folks, like in different parts of the world working at Atlasian, if someone is in the neighborhood and can pick one up for us, sometimes we'll ask someone, but that's a very informal way to do it. Like hopefully you would have you know, hopefully like a, maybe a testing lab or some other like, like a device device lab in the cloud where you can actually remotely test a physical device. I know that sounds a little bit weird, but yeah, you're, you're kind of almost like remotely accessing like physical devices and that it can be really handy, but yeah, it, it can be a pain.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:30:26):
Yeah. And it's really, and it's, it's just one of those really interesting things about Android development, where at some point you gotta test it on a real device. Whether that's like actually having it in a, in someone's hand or being able to, you know, again, use a cloud based service, but yeah, it's, it's really tough. And if you're a developer trying not to do that, please, please, please don't do that. But if you have to, you have to and so it makes me feel better. We've had to do that just, just, and usually we also try to like prioritize it if it's something that, you know, it's not crashing the app and that the person can, that the user can recover from we'll, we'll try to leave it because that kind of code is just, it just creates like debt, we call it tech debt. It just creates tech debt for later. Yep. It's

Jason Howell (00:31:06):
Interesting. You put it that way. Cuz that's kind of what I was thinking. When, when you were talking about this, I was like, oh, well, great. I can understand the downside of doing that because sometime later you never know, there might be a change to the phone where that flag is no longer needed you as a developer have to remember to go back and then remove it cuz you're creating this kind of like legacy road bug or speed bump. Yeah, yeah. That could create problems.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:31:29):
Yeah. We recently had like an Android eight specific, but it was, it was like Android eight specific bug. And I think Android eight, I think we support down to eight or nine. So we're like right at the cusp of, okay, we still support it. We're getting close to like saying, okay, we can no longer or support this lower version of Android just because it's, it would be just too much of a maintenance burden on us. And so it, it becomes that kind of conversation too, as like, okay, is this bug worth fixing? Is it like crashing the user or is it just kind of causing a blip and they can recover from it? And there's all these kind of like conversations that happen and looking at them, looking at St looking at what are people using, how bad it is. It's like, it's all kind of, there's no like, like formula and you can apply to it, but it's, it's real. And it's one of the, I mean, I don't know, it's weird. I still feel kind of proud an Deb to, I say it's a real pain in the butt, but it, it's very interesting look into the reality of having all of the different OEMs, all the different devices you have and trying to promise people that you can support software for as long as you possibly can and as wide as you possibly can. And yes, it's hard. It's hard I believe, but yeah,

Jason Howell (00:32:43):
I believe it. And what what's interesting to me, it occurs to me is that the next story is kind of like, it's kinda like the opposite of what you're talking about, right? It's like on the, on the, the Shammy side, you know, developing your app with a little speed bump, you know, that, that makes it work, that particular phone. And then this next story of which we, you know, we did talk a little bit about last week is kinda like the phone creating a little speed bump to work with thousands of apps. But anyways, when you have the next stories, so go for it.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:33:11):
So we definitely talked about this last week and I, this has been pretty spicy. I know everyone's kind of a little bit mad at Samsung yet again for something else. And we talked about this last week where it turns out that sorry geek bench found out that a large class of Samsung phones were using their game optimization service, which is used to really measure temperature and battery level to adjust system performance. And everyone was really mad. Understandably so. And so this week has released a firmware update for the galaxy S 22, which basically will remove CPU and GPU performance. I actually, I liked the way that was this Android police. I like the way that Android police phrase it, it basically removes Samsung Medling from your GPU and CPU performance. I actually love that. And they've actually introduced a new, a new mode.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:03):
It's basically just a switch in game booster, which is a Samsung app that is kind of just meant for gaming. It allows you to kind of do some streaming stuff, but kind of like streaming associate stuff when you're on your phone kind of dis not dissimilar to the game dashboard that play dashboard. Yeah. but now it had as a toggle, a single toggle for game performance management mode, which no one actually knows exactly what it's doing, but it's kind of there as an alternate, alternate management memory management resource management method. Oh, I, I, I went to look into this and it's, it's literally just a way

Jason Howell (00:34:41):
I, I would've just assumed that if they were putting that switch in after saying yeah, we'll give people control that that switch would be the control, but apparently it's not because, or, or maybe it is. And we just don't have confirmation on that yet, but

Huyen Tue Dao (00:34:54):
Yeah, I guess it's early to say what it actually does. Yeah. And someone can someone who's way smarter than we can go in and figure it out and like be reverse engineer it. But it's there. The release was initially just in South Korea, which is of course Samsung's home country, but it is now being rolled out internationally. Although on the flip side of this, that is a firmware update for the S 22, unfortunately as is also reported by Android police and others, that it is not just the S too, that is having this throttling happening. It is also the galaxy tab eight plus and galaxy tab eight ultra the, the speed, the speed ding on the S 22 was really, really notable. I think you mentioned it last week, Jason, it was like 45%, 20% is insane. It's insane numbers like 45% and 20% in multi corporate single versus multi performance.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:35:46):
It's not quite as dramatic. I mean, I don't know it is pretty, still dramatic, but on B tablets, the tabs eight plus, and the tab essay ultra, they they're noting that that geek bench is showing an 18 to 24% hit for a single and six to 11% hit for multicore performance. That is significantly better than their performance hit on S 22. It still sucks. And the thought is that because tablets are, are just literally wider devices, the heat dis patient is better. And so less throttling is needed. So, but that is a thing. And it looks like kind of much older tablets don't have this issue. It seems to be just kind of more recent tablets. And I think someone said down to, Nope, just the looks like the S eight and eight ultra and eight plus older tablets, like the S seven, seven F E S five E did not throttle performance and delivered, you know as expected results. So yeah, those don't have the update yet. The update is just for the S 22. So we'll see how this shakes out. It's unsurprising that after all the backlash, Samsung puts something out, but

Jason Howell (00:36:56):
You know, the, the flip to this, I can't remember if we actually asked this question last week, but if, and I, and I've certainly seen people ask this question, like, there, there are people that get really upset about this news. And then there are other people that ask the question of like, okay, so if this has been happening and apparently it's been happening prior to the S 22, so it's been happening, you know, as far back as the S 10, from my understanding if that's been happening since then, and no one knew about it, and we didn't notice anything going on, what's the problem, you know what I mean? Like, there's some people that are asking that question, and I think that's a fair question, right? Like if we didn't, we didn't actually recognize or know. I mean, I still feel very strongly that like, if this is actually happening, it, it doesn't, it doesn't give the developers any sort of agency in that decision.

Jason Howell (00:37:50):
Right. So that's right. That's a ding. It also doesn't give the user any agency as far as whether they are okay with that, you know, to air quotes, improve performance, or, you know, maybe there's a lot of users that are like, no, just gimme maximum performance. Like, I just want all, I, I want all the power of this device to be thrown at it. So no question Samsung should have, should have roped both of those in, but from a, an effect standpoint on the other side, if no one noticed any, any issue shoes, like, is this more of a problem than it needs to be? I dunno,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:38:26):
That's a really great question. I mean, yeah, for sure.

Jason Howell (00:38:31):
Let us know TV us, know how you feel.

Ron Richards (00:38:35):
It's gotta be, it's gotta be a question of how you feel and like, and like, and part of the, part of the thing is, is that, how much do you trust the manufacturers and the developers behind the device that you use? Right. Yeah. So if you know, it is safe to assume that the, the group who designed the phone presumably know inside and out and it's guts and how, how it works and all stuff like that, and might make adjustments based on what they've seen to make the, make the device work it's best for you. Now that requires you giving up some autonomy in how your device runs, you know, but like, but the same thing happens, you know, on desktop. Like how much, how much insight do we have into the windows kernel or to the Linux kernel or, you know, to that's whatever it might be.

Ron Richards (00:39:16):
And like, yeah. And like, what is happening under the hood? You know, every time my max starts sounding like, it's a jet about to take off, why is it doing that? Is it, you know, like, you know, like, and, and, and, and are they working to try to minimize that and all this sort of stuff. And so these are just such complex machines that I'll be the first person to say, I'm not gonna admit that I, I'm not gonna claim to know the inner working so well that I can tell you that this was truly bad or not. But I do think that, you know, on a level of like what we talked about last week, and now, you know, now with this is that, you know, the fact that it's a distinction for some apps and games means that there's some decision tree that's happening there that could be exposed to you, users to give users options and Jason, to your point, probably the majority of, you know, majority of users wouldn't know where to look for it, to turn it off much less that had existed. Right. So then, you know, if it, you know, if a tree is throttled in the, in the woods, does it bother anybody? You know, like it's kind that question. Yeah. You know, kinda, you know, it philosophical approach to it. But yeah. So

Huyen Tue Dao (00:40:17):
I, I will say that I'm all, I'm all for transparency for users. And I think something that's interesting is that if the devs don't know this is happening, there are decisions when you develop that could be informed or altered by knowing that a manufacturer's going to throttle your performance. And I mean, and it might not be that much. I mean, again, I'm not a game developer, which is like a whole nother set of awesome skills that I don't have, but I do feel like transparency in terms of knowing like, you know, the S 22 is a flagship device. You're gonna highly expect that if you're a game developer, especially if you're, you know, in a really, you know, top tier, super complex title, I don't know. Do they have triple a games for mobile? Is that a, is that a phrase? Is that, is that a thing? Is it just, okay, so

Jason Howell (00:40:59):
Yeah, say I would say so that, you know, what, probably people have different opinions as far as like what an actual AAA game is, but I would say they're a AAA game.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:41:06):
Yeah. So yeah, if you're a AAA like mobile game developer, I, I, I mean, I'm just assuming that you would wanna know what, what could happen on a flagship device that probably a lot of people are gonna hope to play your game on, on. And so it's all about transparency and certainly, yeah. I, I think to be fair, I think you're right. I think some consumers wouldn't care like for PCs. I, I don't, I don't, overclock my P I don't overlock my G or CPU. I don't really go into the guts of it. I know how to build one, but I, I kinda just let it do its thing. And I barely notice, I, I know some people are sensitive to probably, you know, performance way more than me just like, you know, there's all your audio files out there can hear like the sound of a dragon wing beating its wings, like over your like really expensive headphones. And I just like, yeah. Sounds nice. Yeah. So obviously that's, that's the case and, and like the people that are really being able to measure this thing are a lot smaller than the wider consumer audience, but I don't know, transparency help everybody out here. Let's be honest about things. Yeah.

Jason Howell (00:42:05):
Yeah. And I suppose the other, the other part of this that I didn't really mention in that kind of equation is the fact that, you know, part of this was done to trick a benchmarking app. Yes. You know, as well. So there is that kind of deception aspect of it too, that, that doesn't ever sit well with most people. And then finally, and there's not really a whole lot to talk about here other than to say that nothing is about to announce something it as an event set for March 23rd, that's next Wednesday. So you're gonna have to listen to another show before we actually get to the news. Although by next Tuesday, maybe we'll actually have some leaks and stuff to talk about. Next Wednesday, 9:00 AM Eastern. They're going to announce whatever their, their upcoming hardware is. Have. Imagine this is the smartphone we talked last week about the, kind of the like shady kind of hidden camera footage of, of a, a smartphone looking device being shown off at the M WC.

Jason Howell (00:43:06):
And yeah, so it's happening dot G you can go to nothing.tech and you to RSVP for the event. They also just secured by the way, a funding round of a 70 million to quote, create new product categories in partnership with Qualcomm and it's Snapdragon platform and grow operations in London. So, you know, that's, that's a nice, solid round of funding to, to kind of arm them with the resources that they need to enter this next phase have to imagine the smartphone. So I'm curious to see a smartphone that is transparent. I don't know. Like, I feel like we've seen fake versions of that before, but we haven't seen a truly transparent smartphone to my under standing.

Ron Richards (00:43:56):
I wonder if that's, I'm very, I'm very excited by that prospect, as well as this entire thing. I'm a little annoyed, I'm a little annoyed at the Wednesday date, but whatever they'll learn,

Jason Howell (00:44:05):
They'll The shows on Tuesday evening.

Ron Richards (00:44:08):
Yeah. But, but it's, but it's not even what got me excited. What got what got me more excited than the, the idea of a transparent phone was the fact that you know, that they're gonna know the product roadmap at this event, which is not yeah. Just like here, they're not gonna unveil the phone. It's gonna say here's a product roadmap, which suggests multiple products and, and, you know, and a commitment to time of being here for a while. So like, I'm just, I'm just excited for them to pull back the curtain more so than just those earbuds to see what they're, what they're planning. Yeah. So,

Huyen Tue Dao (00:44:34):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited to hear something from nothing.

Jason Howell (00:44:37):
Yeah. Something from nothing for sure. The phones for free. No. All right. Let's take a break. And then we got some app it's like app slash developer new. There we go. Hey, they, they got it in the headline money for nothing and money for nothing series BS as Brian heater for, oh, I think that was,

Ron Richards (00:44:57):
That's a, that's a, that's a dang good headline

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Huyen Tue Dao (00:45:00):
Credit. That's excellent. Most

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Credit work credit credit work credits do. So if

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Jason Howell (00:47:53):
Okay. So yeah, it's, it's almost two thirds of this app block are, are dev related because there've been some announcements in the past week. Now, our devs and apps. So here's where we're gonna talk about, first of all, Google announced to developers that a new feature is coming to Android. That's gonna allow for app archiving. And I know what comes to mind when I think of app archiving. You used to have that phone, Ron, that, that archive apps when right next bit Robin, next bit Robin, there you go. It was very cool. So here, so here, what you're gonna get instead of uninstalling an app. So I have an app I'm not using it very much right now. I need to save space or whatever on my device, instead of having to uninstall that app entirely and then lose my app data and that sort of stuff, users will be able to choose to archive the app.

Jason Howell (00:48:41):
Instead, Google says users will be able to reclaim around 60% of the app storage temporarily by removing parts of the app. It can be reactivated easily. You can restore all that user data in the process. My guess is that the user data doesn't go anywhere. It's just, you know, components of the app do, but but that's just a guess it'll be supported in a new archived APK format. That's capital, a archived APK new format. Google says developers should be on the, the lookout for an upcoming version of bundle tool. 1.10, a tool I've never used. Maybe you have win and launch of this this feature is unknown. Like they didn't give specific timing, but who knows? Maybe we'll see it in Android 13, but yeah. When, what do you think about this? What, what are your thoughts on archiving versus uninstalling?

Huyen Tue Dao (00:49:34):
Yeah no, I love this because, you know, especially with Android's application development, kind of there's, you know, we, we, on the share talk a lot about, again, like flagship phones, the new hotness kind of like always the new version of Android, but a lot of Android users are phones in emerging markets are, you know, folks with like kind of lower resource phones. And so as developers, you generally try, if you can, it sometimes is impossible to make your AP kit APK size as most possible to use up resources as, as little as possible to use up storage storage actually is a really big one as well. Just literally like how much, how many, like gigabytes you can like of, of actual, like file storage on your device. All these things are really important. All these things are kind of like day to day, thoughts and feelings that developers have.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:50:23):
And I, I really like this idea a lot, like for, for us, you know, there's, there's a lot of different things that come into play. When you talk about trying to make the experience better for a user and use up less of their resources, like less of their battery resources, less of their storage has already kind of mentioned, and also less of their data cap and something that we have found. And I think I did, I actually did a, an internal talk for my company once about the, this initiative called building for billions, which is basically the Android team and Google trying to say, Hey, you know, emerging markets and are, is a huge, you know place where Android is and developing for someone who has a Le low resource phone in an emerging market is a lot different than developing an app for someone who, who has 5g, constant connectivity, constant wifi on a big flagship phone.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:51:11):
And so it's just a set of ideas and, and practices and thoughts and, and strategies. You keep in mind to make sure that your app works well on all ends of the spectrum. And so this is what really, this, this kind of thing actually really excites me because especially for places that have low connectivity and don't have a lot of wifi, like people will be using their phones offline or with low connectivity. And one of the hardest things is actually getting your phone onto someone's device, especially if you have a large size APK, because it takes up a lot of data cap. It takes a long time to download this thing. And I think actually in the building for building for billions, like kind user guide or developer guide, they talk a lot about how APK size can affect, you know, as if you're a developer and you wanna kind of reach these emerging markets, the, your AP APK size has a non, it has a significant effect on whether people actually download your app.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:52:02):
If they have to sit in an internet cafe for three hours to download your app, ain't gonna do it no way. So this is just one way of kind of offsetting, you know, all of these challenges for people with constrained devices and constrained resources or people that maybe you're, maybe you're just, you know, you're an outdoorsy type person. You like, you know, going up your fourteeners and you wanna bring your phone with you. That's a little bit of an extreme case, but yeah, this there's all kinds of cases where people just won't have connectivity and won't have, you know, all these resources. So I think this is really exciting. And I think that, you know, I mean, I don't know the actual numbers or behaviors on people, like when they decide how they decide, what's say like the, I wanna say recidivism, that's not the right thing, but basically people coming back to your app, if they have to download it for, if they have to unsell it for like more resource reasons. But I think this is like a really good option for, for da and, and maybe it'll be a way to kind of forgive us, forgive those of us that just have really big APKs. So I I'm really excited about it. And it kind of makes a lot of sense kind of in where some of these themes and Andrew development run to have this. So I'm excited.

Jason Howell (00:53:07):
I know, I know in my own use, I, I run into situations like, like, so let's say a Starbucks app, right? Like I don't go to Starbucks very often, but every once I, once in a while I do, I did recently I installed the app. I, you know, got the points or whatever, and then I have no use for that app to be on my phone anymore. So I end up uninstalling it, but, but then on the developer side, they run the risk of me not remembering to install it again, right. The, somewhere down the line when I might need it again. So instead if I archiving it, then I still have that visual kind of reminder. Oh yeah, that's still an option. I, I just need the rest of it or whatever. So I can see that being a big benefit. It's

Ron Richards (00:53:49):
It? It's interesting. So I'm what makes think of this is the, I got hit with the Android 12 these apps permissions are gonna be rescinded because you haven't used the abs in a while. Yeah. You know, that message which is like halfway to archiving, right? Yeah. It's just saying that, Hey, you haven't been using you haven't been using this, so we're gonna lock these down so they can't do anything weird or, or anything they don't want to. But it's funny because like Jason, to your point, like, I, I don't uninstall those apps. So like for example, I still have the just salad app that I used to get lunch, went back when, before the pandemic two years ago or right. And, and I would use it to order my salad in advance and that sort of thing. I haven't touched it for two years and it's still sitting here. Right. So, yeah. You know, so like, you know, and who knows, what other apps on there, you know, are on here that I'm just like peacock. I downloaded it when it came out. I haven't looked, I haven't, you know, I've used it on my TV. I haven't used it on my phone though. Right.

Jason Howell (00:54:44):
I just removed peacock because we had it only for the month of the Olympics. And then I started, I was continuing to get notifications and stuff. Like, I don't even have that subscription anymore. We canceled the subscription, we got our Olympics. So, you know, I ended up removing it entirely.

Ron Richards (00:54:59):
Yeah. So that's

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:00):
Really an example though. Yeah.

Ron Richards (00:55:01):
Yeah. And so like, I, I would love what, what was great about what next fit Robin was is that it kept the icon in your app stuff. It was just great out. So you knew you still had it. Right. Right. But, but you, you could get it just with a tap, presumably you have connectivity and that sort of thing. So I, I, I think there's a lot to this concept. So

Jason Howell (00:55:19):
Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:20):
I was gonna say Starbucks is, I guess, seasonal app for me because whenever I come, like we don't really have Starbucks around us where I live in Denver,

Jason Howell (00:55:26):
Pumpkin, lot to, is that, is this where you're going? Okay.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:55:29):
No, no pumpkin lattes. Actually my, my husband is a huge coffee snap. I love you, baby. He, we don't go near Starbucks normally, but when we're here, like here, like at my SIS or my sister's place, Starbucks is all we got. So I install my, at my Starbucks app every Christmas. And then we hang out here for a while. We get my Starbucks in the morning and that solid. Yeah. Which actually, and to your point, actually, what's interesting is that whenever I install it because of the long download time, because they have all these graphics and because I don't remember my password necessarily all the time, I sometimes just don't end up using the app and just pay like a regular person instead of using their app. So I actually think this makes a lot of sense, especially for, and there probably would be a lot of apps that are more seasonal or like, say you're travel, maybe semi-frequently. And like you have maybe WESAP, or maybe like a, a ride share that only works in certain countries. This makes a lot of sense if you're kind of semi regularly using something, but only semi like, I, I love it. Yeah. Even, even that is pretty, is a pretty interesting use case as well.

Jason Howell (00:56:24):
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Cool. Well, and, and this is, you know, another one of those examples of someone in the Android ecosystem, an bit Robin doing something that we hadn't really seen before. And now here, you know, versions later, it's coming into Android as a, as a first class app feature or citizen or whatever you wanna call it. Still on the developer tip though, when is this news, which I think this news came because of a, a games summit that was happening.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:56:56):
Yeah. So this, this morning, actually, I'm not sure how long it goes, but this morning was the start of the Google for games, developers summit. And there was quite a few announcements related to GA Android game development in particular and actually some of, oh, whoops, see, hit my keyboard, different setup, just mania and like frenzy, dogs, and cats living together. So there's a lot of actually interesting announcements from the school developer or sorry, games, games, upper summit, that kind of tie into some of the things that we talked about. So one of the most interesting things is this play as you download. Yeah. Which I think was introducing 12, but it basically allows a user to kind of do a little bit of a small download up front. And then as the rest of the game is downloading, you're able to actually run and play that first little bit of the game that you downloaded.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:57:43):
And it looks like Google is using kind of some kind of like smart, you know, analysis of like how like game files are stored to kind of most efficiently download and access them. But it's not unlike say like instant apps a while ago. Or even like kind of like dynamic loaded features, this kind of, it's this kind of thing where we give you a little bit or we give it to you as you need it kind of thing. And I can, I can only imagine this is done. My guess is, is done through kind of similar mechanisms where you can, you can, the, the Google's able to kind of portion apps into like these little bundles and allow you to touch like the bundle that you have available while other things download in the background, which I think is actually really cool. And again, really kind of is not dissimilar to kind of some of the other things that we've talked about before.

Huyen Tue Dao (00:58:25):
This feature is currently in beta, but it will open up pretty soon. In fact, if you are a game developer, you can sign up for plays, you download. And there's just like a lot of like really interesting game developer announcements. Let me see, like, well, they also mentioned that Google app usage on chromo S grew 50% in 2021, which might be tough on kind of like the large screen story here. But in particular, this growth on Chromeo, as they say, they say is led by games. And another couple interesting things, and this touches back on the Samsung story is that Google has actually updated the Android game development extension to allow for better resource bugging. So, and the, this is kind of, I mean, I don't, again, I don't know too much about game development, but it looks like there's gonna be a tighter connection between visual studio, which is a Microsoft integrated developer environment and actually Android studio, which is where the rest of us live. And I think that connection allows them to kind of more analyze a device, analyze the app, running on it and analyze the server, the resources being used. So there's gonna be a memory advice, API, there's gonna be a GPU inspector that kind of lets you kind of see when your, your game is like kind of bottlenecked on using its GPU versus using CPU and how to improve frame rates and battery. So see Samsung, we, we don't need to, we have ways of figuring out how we,

Jason Howell (00:59:47):
We could do this without you. We

Huyen Tue Dao (00:59:48):
Can't do this without you. And, but I mean, that was kinda like the point I was making, like, this is ridiculous. This is this kind of management is being done and again is being tooled by Google on the developer side. So anyway, yeah. Any excuses to that, any excuses of that nature to me fall a little bit on my deaf ears. And then I think another thing is that we talked about this a little while ago about how Google was kind of offering play console, like strategy advice based on like how you monetize. Well, they had now announced the Google play partner program, sorry for games specifically. And in general, a partner is you're, you're a Google partner when basically you become big enough to warrant certain privileges and benefits. I dunno how to make this sound less easy, but it's basically, it's basically Google recognizing and trying to support their successful apps and games by kind of giving them extras, giving them extra, like extra, extra things, extra things.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:00:45):
So for example, if you are a Google play partner for games, you might have enhanced business support. You might have a faster priority publishing queue, which is interesting. More metrics to look at insights and device attributes, kind of all kinds of nice pre-launch things looks like early release tools growth and engagement features, yada yada yada kind of just priority, priority, early access, new things. And so this is being rolled out right now or this is it is being announced. And so it'll be kind of available to big, huge studios. So partner level develop developers and studios, which is more than 5 million SD annual games consumer spend. So, I mean, I guess for most of us, this is less interesting, but if you happen to be working at a shop that is a partner might be some choice for you to play with.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:01:32):
So very interesting. And then just an update on a story that we talked about a couple months ago about Google play games, which is Google play games as the windows portal to Android games than your PC. It is it's actually which, which is, is rolling out invites now, but only two, only two gamers in South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong. And we had mentioned there's like a very select list of games presumably games that are particularly popular and successful in this areas. It had been announced in December at the so many conference names at the, the game awards. And you know, we, I think we talked a couple months ago about basically what it would look like and the games that would be offered and the fact that it was only in these three areas, well now invites are going out. So if you happen to be a listener in these countries and you wanna try it out, you can, you can see if you get an invite. Oh, actually it's only for slack game or so my bad. And yeah, no one really knows how well the game play works yet. It, it seems kind of early, but we'll see, we will see

Jason Howell (01:02:36):
It's it's, what's interesting to me about the just, I mean, I don't know is that it's okay. So an Android has a lot of, of apps and games, everything supported, right? Like, I mean, I don't know how many hundreds of thousands or millions or whatever, whatever that number is. And I just remember being younger and having like a commod or 64 where I realize I'm totally dating myself right now, but how hard it was to come across a single game and how every game was cool instantly, because games were so hard to come across. Right. And now we just, we just have, we are spoiled with options at this point. Like just thinking about the fact that there is a poor portal that you can install on your PC, that potential, it has the potential to just play in many, in most cases at least to a, a certain degree, completely free games. Like we're just so spoiled now compared to where we were 30 years ago. It's, it's unbelievable. Like it's, it's, it's on, it's on the other side of the spectrum to where it's, I don't even know where to begin. There's just too much to pull from. Like, so I, I don't know how many people are gonna be using their PC to play Android games, but nonetheless, it's, it's cool that you can, I, I suppose be curious to see what the, what the usage of that is.

Ron Richards (01:03:56):
Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:03:57):
Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:03:57):
Curious that's for sure. Yeah. So, all right, well, so for our last bit of apps is I hope everybody's sitting down cuz it's an earth shaker.

Ron Richards (01:04:07):
Google is up is updating the home app to look more like the home control settings found in Android 12. So sliders and switches included in the app making it easier to control devices with less taps. And it looks to be a service side switch. So expects that change within the next few weeks. And as somebody who uses the Google home app on a regular basis to control light, you know, like I'm dimming constantly diming lights. And currently right now it's like, it's the whole circle you gotta go. Like, you know, I'm actually, I'm, I'm in support of this change. I do think that it's, it's a little more up here. You're now in Android 12. So I'm, I'm glad that they are unifying and adjusting from there. I look forward to, to using this update when it comes out. Yeah,

Jason Howell (01:04:48):
Totally agree. I saw that it was, I was kinda like, okay, I gotta find something else for apps. And I saw that. I was like, all right, it's not the most like earth shattering news in the world. No, that's one, but it's actually a really welcome update to that Google home app. Cuz sometimes you open that home app and I don't know how, how filled your smart home controls are in that app. But I mean, mine is pages and pages and it's almost to the point to where it's unusable it's it's, it's like it's too comprehensive.

Ron Richards (01:05:15):
It's funny that you say that because I was literally, while I was in, while I was in the bay area, I was visiting a friend of mine who was very into smart home stuff and stuff like that. And we were having a conversation about it because I, I was just like, yeah, no, the smart home, like now that I'm a year into my house and I've got light bulbs and the thermostat and all this other stuff working, it's not quite there yet. Yeah. It's not quite there yet. A couple. I didn't mention it. I didn't mention it, but a couple weeks ago, half my stuff just stopped working. Like the, the li the Phillips, the Phillips light bulb, Bluetooth light bulb that have in the living room just disconnected from Google home. And it took me like three days of like re trying to connect it before it finally worked.

Ron Richards (01:05:54):
Again, even my Google home mini just lost this wifi connection. I did do a factory reset to have get it back on the wifi network. Like things just, things just don't stay consistent. And even when they do like the, for me, the biggest test is, is like, I, you know, I went away and, you know, and leaving the smart home in the hands of my wife, who is a as normal as they come. And she was just literally just turning the light on and off with the switch in the light, because it's just like, it was too annoying to like, yeah. You know, yell to, you know, Hey, GE to turn the light off and have three Google homes respond and like, and does the right thing to do. And then, and like, and the other thing that annoys me, and, and now I'm just ranting, but like all this stuff, cuz the Google home integration, you know, it's like, I don't always need the, the, the talk back validation.

Jason Howell (01:06:36):
Yeah. True.

Ron Richards (01:06:37):
You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Especially if it's like 11 o'clock at night and the kids are in bed and I say, Hey, GE, turn off, you know, the living room lights and it goes, I'm turning off the living room light. Like no, no shh quiet. Cause I, it volume up from before. Yeah, exactly. Like, like, yeah. So Hey GE

Jason Howell (01:06:51):
It's quietly turn off the living room lights.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:06:54):
It's it's break in. Yeah.

Ron Richards (01:06:56):
It's not quite, it's not quite there yet. Yeah. There's a bunch of stuff where like I know in the lab they think it's great and look at what it can do, but it comes down to that practical 24 7 living with it where there's, where there's stuff that's more annoying. And not going back to the fact that I still can't get YouTube music to only play music on the Google home and not play video. But at least, at least now I can swipe to have the, the clock cover of the video. Yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:19):
Yeah. No, but I think that, that makes a lot of sense because the idea with voice command is that you don't have to go in and, you know, turn the little like skew, morphic little dial this way or that, that it should be an easy, fast input. Right. But it doesn't work actually at our house, Google doesn't like me anymore. Like I asked the little to turn off the bedroom lights. She doesn't listen to me. My husband does it. She does it. I think she mad at me. She and like other, but, and also along the lines of Google, can you not like keep talking is she keeps telling us, like, by the way, you know ask me for other things that you can do. I was like, girl, I've had you for like four or five years. I know what you can do.

Jason Howell (01:07:55):
Yes.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:07:57):
Just stop please. And you know, but that's why I think the, this story actually is, it's kind of like, okay, it's not a lot, but I think it's just like making sure that all the avenues of input are like, you know, optimized or as frictionless as possible. Yeah. Cause I'm telling you, I'm getting really tired of like talking to my Google star, Google, but sometimes you're a pain. Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:08:14):
Yeah. but yeah, yeah, totally agree. I will say just real quick, before we move on Ron, we have hu lights in our house as well. And we were replaced all of our switches with the hu switches, which I realize is a little expensive to do, but that, that takes care of, of it all because then it just kind of

Ron Richards (01:08:33):
Over, well, that's, that's my next big project. That's my next big project is that I have three outdoor lights that are all on the same, a bank of four switches on inside. Yeah. And so what I wanna do is I wanna put switches, you know, like smart home, you know, smart home enabled switches so that I can control, you know, a schedule like at sundown, have the light turn on and that sort of thing. Yeah. That's my next big project. But yeah, we'll

Jason Howell (01:08:57):
See. Yeah. The promise is there right. With smart home and it is pretty cool to see how far we've come, but we're just not quite there. It's not perfectly shut up delivering on the promise quite yet.

Ron Richards (01:09:09):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:09:10):
All right. Coming up next, that sound that you just heard is the sound of your email are coming in live in real time.

Jason Howell (01:09:19):
Not really triple a and twi.tv are 3, 4 7 show AA. We have an email first of all, from Ian Bailey in salt lake city, Utah, let's see here. What Ian has to say. Ian says what a deal with Bluetooth headphone controls. I've used various LG tone. Neckband Bluetooth headsets for about a decade. They made a few tweaks to the Z over the years, but have always had dedicated buttons for power volume. Next previous track play, pause and assistance. That's a lot of buttons by the way, you can also hold the volume and track rock rocker switches for even more options. My current set is dying. So I'm on the hum for new headphones, but I can't find any headphones with decent controls. Almost every manufacturer, even LG has gone to using a single combo button for, for media control. I've tried headsets with these controls and it means I have to hit the play button three times to go back a track or a rewind 30 seconds.

Jason Howell (01:10:18):
When I miss something, Ron says, I understand having limited controls on fully wireless earbuds, but neckband headsets have plenty of room for buttons. They also have a longer battery are more comfortable to wear and I'm not gonna lose 'em. Is it that complicated to add Bluetooth controls to headsets? Do you have any recommendations for me? LG does have one set available the LG tone platinum plus, which appears to have all the controls I'm looking for, but I'm worried that it's my last and only option. And when they finally discontinue it, I'll be out of luck. I will tell you, Ian I searched for probably like a half an hour. I've searched for like 30 minutes. I was like, I'm gonna find some options for E in and I could not find any like literally you you're absolutely right. It looks like they're all moving the way of, you've got your volume up and down button and then you've got your multipurpose button that does all the things that you actually need beyond that.

Jason Howell (01:11:13):
You might actually also have a separate power button, but that's really all I found. And I did look up the LG tone platinum plus to kind of be sure that I was looking for exactly what you were describing and sure enough, that you know, that those headphones do seem to have a lot more controls than any of the options that I could find. So I don't know, maybe stock up on those. I don't know what your options are if you really, you know, if that's the hill that you wanna die on. I think you're gonna have a hard time. It looks like, and, and I I'm guessing that the reason that they're doing it is because it's just cheaper, right? It's less components, less complexity you make. You can do all of the same stuff in software, based on how many times a single button is pressed that, you know, as opposed to requiring a number of different pieces of hardware to be, you know, routed into the, into the device and everything. That's my guess. I don't know if I'm right, but they're all moving that direction. They're all more or less relying on the software to do the job that the hardware was doing before. So I don't know what to tell you. It's kind of a, kind of a bummer, but that seems to be the way it's going.

Ron Richards (01:12:21):
Yeah. How, how many, how many sets of headsets would you recommend that he stuck up with Jason?

Jason Howell (01:12:28):
You know, if you can afford to buy 10 of them that no, I don't don't do that. I mean,

Ron Richards (01:12:33):
That's,

Jason Howell (01:12:34):
I was bucks a pop

Ron Richards (01:12:36):
200 bucks a pop. I was thinking like five would get you at lease through a couple of year, a few. I mean, I would, I mean, I don't know what the rate of obsolescence or rate of breakdown, these, these have, how, how much wear and tear you're putting to. But assu presumably you, you get one, you get a year's use out of it. You buy five that's five years. I would hope a solution we'll come out in the next five years.

Jason Howell (01:12:56):
I'd hope one of these headphones last longer than a year, even like, at least true,

Ron Richards (01:12:59):
But, but at worst case at worst case, worst, worst

Jason Howell (01:13:01):
Case, right? I mean the, the risk you run and by the way, like Ian's not gonna buy five of these things, right? Like, no, one's,

Ron Richards (01:13:08):
You don't know that.

Jason Howell (01:13:08):
Maybe you Don know that. Yeah. Let us know Ian, but you know, the technology also changes, right? So these headphones, Aren are, are capable of doing what's currently possible. And what's currently kind of in, when it comes to Bluetooth technology and the different codex and all that stuff, 10 years down the line, you know, if you really bought five of these and we're using 'em for two years a piece, which I'd be really surprised if you're doing that, but maybe you are, you know, 10 years from now, we're gonna be on a different Bluetooth spec. There's

Ron Richards (01:13:36):
I was gonna say, 10, 10 years from now, we're gonna have those, those, those those implants that just take care of everything. Neuro implants. Yeah. So that's

Jason Howell (01:13:43):
Those don't have any puns

Ron Richards (01:13:45):
Neuro. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Just think wrong. So

Jason Howell (01:13:49):
Yes,

Ron Richards (01:13:49):
But I, I would not, I would not, I would not underestimate somebody's dedication to the right. I mean, like, yeah, I had, I, I, a few years back, I, there was a hair product that I love that got discontinued. And so I went to Amazon and bought like 10 cans of the cans of it. So I had it, you know, so like, if you, I mean, middle, that was a much lower price point, but like people do wacky things when they like something. Yes,

Jason Howell (01:14:11):
Yes. Steve jobs had had a closet full of black turtleneck, you know? Yeah, exactly. When you find what works, you wanna stick to it, you sometimes it's good to double down on it. I dunno if that's helpful at all, but there you,

Ron Richards (01:14:25):
Let's not forget. Let's not forget the Seinfeld episode with Elaine in the sponge. So right. Cool. So moving on I would like to note that all three emails this week are people who told us where they're running in from. So thank love it, appreciate that. Especially considering this week two outta three are from international waters, including our friend in Dublin, R hi, Rory writes it and says, I've become a little obsessed with the idea of using my own selected images as background and having my pixel six change is material you theme accordingly, but I can't seem to find a live wallpaper that is compatible. The Google wallpaper's app can change wallpaper every day and update accordingly, but it doesn't let you create a custom album. Every other live wallpaper app I've tried. The system will refuse to let me source styling from the wallpaper. Is there some sort of ground wallpaper app that is neither live nor dead and would allow this wallpaper for ATU, if you will. Very clever. But, but yeah, but it, it, it doesn't look like they're at least from first glance, any apps that do this, this is a great idea. If somebody could figure it out, I mean, it's,

Jason Howell (01:15:29):
It seems like low hanging fruit, totally IM like who I'm I'm I was amazed on this too. I was like, there's gotta be. And I spent a bunch of time. I even put a call out on Twitter. No one had any suggestions. I mean, someone, this is like a dev, a developer opportunity for someone, someone create an app it's a live wallpaper app that allows you to create, or, or select a specific photo album from your Google photos library or whatever that you create something to where you can say, these are the 20 photos that I wanna cycle through. Every time I turn on my display and have it re respond to material to you. Yeah, that sounds pretty darn easy to me. But again, I'm not a developer. I don't know what easy is, but I don't know. Maybe there's a, is there, Well, is there a technical reason why certain apps can, or can't not, or cannot tap into material? You maybe that I'm, that I'm don't know about.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:16:21):
So you, you actually, you actually have to specifically use the colors. Like, so basically there's a palette I'm trying to figure out not how not to into much detail, but there's basical really a palette that says, Hey, like here is okay, so given the material you colors, that's your like, say your primary color and your secondary color Nutri color, or this other color, there's a palette that has your material. You like parsed color, like especially selected selection of colors, right. For you and developers actually have to pull, use those. Like it's not for free. So if it's a, if it's like an app, then we actually have to specifically support material. You, it, it won't actually happen automatically. So that's a thing. And then with live, so Ian, our

Jason Howell (01:17:08):
Paper, yeah.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:09):
Live WPA here. So I actually looked into the code a little bit for this. This is not my forte, but I can only guess is that with live wallpapers, there's something about the way that videos or other kind of animations are encoded or run with live wallpapers. It makes it a little tricky to actually pull colors out of them. And that's my only, I actually saw a couple different things. Like I saw like a couple apps that would take a video and turn them into a live wallpaper. And I saw someone actually code like, like code avoids simulator, like actually literally like draw like little birds, like in code. I can't even like using like an actual low level drawing API. So I don't know exactly what live wallpaper look like under the hood, but it could be that because you can do it so many different ways.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:17:55):
Like, like for example, actually that's actually a really good example is that one where I saw someone code their own live wallpaper, where they were literally like drawing shapes. It could be that whatever material you is doing to parse out the palette is not able to kind of figure out, maybe it doesn't know how to take a screenshot of like an animation or something and pull the collars from that, depending on how it's done. Like that's, it could be something like that. Yeah. I saw some really weird stuff. I, it looks like it doesn't necessarily have to be a video, which I assume would be easy to pull maybe, or it would be less easy to pull a material palette from that. That's my guess is that maybe there's some alternative sense them. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Jason Howell (01:18:30):
You'd almost need, you'd almost need in the app some way to take. Yeah. Like you said, instead of, instead of sampling from a video, it's like, it takes a screenshot of the, or a frame from the video that frame is analyzed. And the pallets pulled from that frame, because I do know that there are some live wallpapers that, that say they are material. You like, they support material you, but, but none of them are like, you know, point this at your photo library. It's, it's like, they've been coded to be their own thing. So they're obviously doing something different underneath the hood to make that happen.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:04):
Yeah. So I think in that case, if, if it isn't like a custom thing and it's them, they probably have their own of custom animation where they can say, Hey, check the material you palette, bring in that color and we'll use it. So it might be just that the, they haven't cross cross the streams. That's not right. Cross the dots, connected the dots, the dots between custom wallpapers and probably different custom representations of an animated thing. And how to like pull colors from, it was my, is my wild off the top of my head. Yeah. You know, back of the napkin, back of the napkin. Yeah. guests front,

Jason Howell (01:19:39):
One of napkin too, really front of the napkin don't discriminate. Napkins are awesome.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:19:44):
Yes.

Jason Howell (01:19:45):
All napkins are, are welcome here. Front end back. Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think that makes a lot of sense. So unfortunately, you know, for these first two emails, we don't have any solutions for you. This is merely our way of saying you've got a good question there. I wish we had an answer, but yes, there you go, Roy, it's sorry about that. Sorry. What,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:07):
But for our third email, which is also from across the pond we have an answer and for that, it is our Email of the week. That's the first time I think I did that half decent. Yay.

Jason Howell (01:20:21):
Yay. No, you did great.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:22):
I was like very nervous about,

Jason Howell (01:20:25):
Well done. Well done. Thank,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:27):
Oh

Jason Howell (01:20:27):
My God. There is no messing it up.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:29):
There's no messing up. Well, I wanna do it like, well

Jason Howell (01:20:34):
Anyway,

Huyen Tue Dao (01:20:34):
Did it? Well. so Ian hall writes us from Wantage in the UK, I updated my pixel four a last Monday with the March update. Then on Thursday, I woke to a message saying your phone does doesn't meet software standards. You cannot make contactless payments with this device. It may be rooted or running UN certified software. Dang. I contacted Google support via Google one. As I have a subscription and eventually got put through to someone in Google pay, needless to say, they couldn't provide me with a solution and said they would get back to me. I looked in the support website for my account. I noticed two entries. One was a generic support ID, but the second one said to arrange a device replacement really or something to that effect. Sorry. Oh, really was me not Ian. Right, right,

Jason Howell (01:21:18):
Right.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:21:19):
Or, or Ian, Ian. Anyway sorry if I mispronounced your name let me see. But the second one said to arrange a device replacement to something, to the effect. I equally waited for Google to get back in touch over the weekend. I saw an article on nine to five Google detailing, the very same issue I have it's Monday as I type this. And I have just had an email from Google support asking if my device is rooted and what version of Android I'm running and the Google pay app version. No mention of replacement phone and low and behold, when I check the page, the ticket for the replacement phone has gone. I wish I had taken a screenshot.

Jason Howell (01:21:56):
You don't need that screenshot though. I have a feeling this is fixed.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:21:59):
Like, yeah. It looks like it was from actually from 12 from, from the March drop. It looks like, I think, yeah, nine, if I reported that a lot of people that were had old 12 the March update we're having this happen. And it looks like yesterday, Google said that they fixed it. And they didn't mention any updates. So it seems like a server side fix somehow.

Jason Howell (01:22:20):
Yeah. It

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:20):
Must be anyway

Jason Howell (01:22:21):
Or place services. Yeah. I'm but

Huyen Tue Dao (01:22:25):
That, it's hilarious. That support was like yeah, you might just need a spent device. And then they were like, oh, take back seats, nevermind replacement device. It

Jason Howell (01:22:33):
Just goes to show how like separated, you know, those things are, cause, I mean, we hear these, you know, different stories like this, where it's like, you know, I I'm calling or I'm writing in about a thing that a lot of people are experiencing and the person that I'm talking to on the other end has no idea what I'm talking about. Meanwhile, there's another group inside of Google. That's hard at work already knows. And they're pushing out an update. It's like, just get on the same page. Frustrating. But, but good to know that it looks like, yeah, you aren't, you know, if you haven't received a fix for this already, I'm guessing you're gonna, because this really sounds like the same exact thing. And the timing is the same. So I imagine they're related. I don't, it doesn't seem like you're gonna need a new device. Although maybe you wanted a new device. You're like, oh yeah, cool opportunity to get a new device. But

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:25):
Google the boards, like just kidding.

Jason Howell (01:23:26):
Just get a site.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:28):
Yeah.

Jason Howell (01:23:30):
So there you go. We had one solution out of three and you, you, there we go. I was gonna say, when you get, you get to wrap the bow on it.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:23:40):
Oh yeah. And one out of three ain and or something like that.

Jason Howell (01:23:45):
Thank you. That works. Thank you. Thank you. Right on win. And thank you to everybody who wrote in aaa.tv. We love hearing from you love having having great emails and sometimes video mails and voicemails to play on the show. So thank you for doing that. And we've reached the end of this episode. That's right. Goes by in a flash. That's just how good content on.tv is. You start it and then you blink and it's done because it was that amazing. Ooh course, we're talking about our own show. If I had a call, I'd pop it right now. When, what do you wanna talk about, this is your opportunity to talk about anything you got going on right now.

Huyen Tue Dao (01:24:25):
Yeah. So the big thing for me was the Android show. Please check it out. I got to do a great little kind of event informing developers. What, what for the release of Android 13 jet pack pose. And of course we had a really awesome interview with not just rich minor, who was, again, this Juul CTO of tablets, but also ma who's the head of leader the leader, the lead of developer relations at Android and all. So an amazing, amazing Android engineer, team member, Doris Lou, who works on the animation API, which is like my favorite thing ever. I should check it out. We love all those people. But otherwise you can find me at queen code monkey on Twitter and Instagram and oh yeah. You can find that. The other thing on YouTube just, just search hashtag B Android show. Not con not to be confused with this Android show.

Jason Howell (01:25:08):
Yeah. We, we made that connection on on slack earlier this week that our Twitter, our Twitter account for this show has always been at Android show. And then when is on the show and, you know, happens to be working with Google on the Android show know, it's just weird how this stuff works out, right? Like there's so many, so many crossovers and stuff it's so crazy. Well thank you Lynn for that. And then Ron, what you got.

Ron Richards (01:25:39):
Yeah, not much. You can go on Twitter and Instagram, follow me at Ron XO. And if you're into pinball, go to score it in the Google play story, download the score, it, app it out. It's a fun way to play pinball, keep track of your scores, connect pinball machines to the internet, fun stuff like that. So go check it all out there.

Jason Howell (01:25:56):
That's it. There you go. Thank you, Ron, for that big, thanks to Burke here in the studio for doing all you do behind the scenes and behind the board. Also big, thanks to Victor. Even more behind the scenes, editing the show, publishing it, making sure that you can download it and listen, and watch after the fact. So thanks to you both. You'd find me at at Jason Howell on Twitter, if you wanna follow my very sporadic tweeting these days. And also here on the network, I do a show called tech news weekly with Mica Sergeant an interview based show that we do every Thursday always have a lot of fun. I love that show because we, we talk to people who are writing the stories who are breaking the stories many, many in many cases that you're hearing about out in the tech news realm.

Jason Howell (01:26:44):
And so it's just, I learn a lot host, you know, co-hosting that show with my Sergeant. So check it out and you'll learn a lot too, along with us twi.tv/tnw. Don't forget if you want our shows without any ads and a whole bunch of other perks. All you have to do is go to twi.tv/club TWI and check out well, it's called club to that makes sense. It's our ad free subscription tier all shows with the ads removed completely, even this ad isn't in it. So you'll find that also an exclusive TWI plus podcast feed, lots of extra content lots of, you know, bonus interviews, Stacy's book club just tons of, of awesome content hitting the twit plus podcast feed and members only discord, which we have a lot of fun with as well, seven bucks a month, twi.tv/club TWI. As for this show, all you have to do is go to twit.tv/aaa for All About Android. Go there, subscribe in the many ways that we have listed on the page. We do this show every Tuesday evening. So you, if you're subscribed, you should get it late Tuesday, early Wednesday, definitely ready for your Wednesday morning commute. And that's really about it. Thank you so much for watching and listening. You guys are awesome. We'll see you next time on all about Android. Bye everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:28:03):
Bye.

Speaker 9 (01:28:09):
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