MacBreak Weekly Episode 805 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. Rene Ritchie, Andy Ihnatko, Alex Lindsay's back in with us and another $5 million I'm sorry, Euro fine for Apple, with the Dutch what's going on there. Air tags. There's some changes coming to make them less useful for stalking and all the rumors, including a regulatory for filing that indicates there might be new max coming soon. It's all coming up next on MacBreak Weekly, a reminder to all our TWiT listeners. It's our annual survey time. Once again, to help us understand our audience a little bit better, we wanna make your listening experience better and also helps us sell advertising. We don't wanna track you so it's completely voluntary, but if you can take a few minutes to let us know a little more about you, we sure appreciate it. Go to TWiT.tv/survey 22. And thanks in advance.

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Leo Laporte (00:01:39):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. The show we cover the latest Apple news with our esteemed and talented Apple correspondants. Alex Lindsay's back in the house. Thank you, Alex. It's great to have you again.

Alex Lindsay (00:01:53):
It's good to be here.

Leo Laporte (00:01:55):
Office hours.global and oh nine oh media from WG, B H O Boston it's and ACO and famous YouTube celebrity, Rene Ritchie, youtube.com/ReneRitchie.

Rene Ritchie (00:02:09):
I'm on the mic, Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:02:10):
Don't hold your mic that closely.

Rene Ritchie (00:02:11):
It's okay. I'm on it's no,

Leo Laporte (00:02:13):
Don't ever stroke your mic. Okay.

Rene Ritchie (00:02:15):
I wanna feel like, you know, like, like we're it's like radio days, we're just having this real conversation. Intense conversation.

Leo Laporte (00:02:21):
Do it like Rogan does.

Rene Ritchie (00:02:24):
Oh no, I can't be that disinformative.

Leo Laporte (00:02:26):
That's bad advice.

Rene Ritchie (00:02:27):
It would, I, it would, it would take me a lot of work.

Leo Laporte (00:02:30):
All right. You gotta tell me move cheese. Should I get excited? Applefiles, new max in the Sian economic database. This is a, this is a regular feature of new Macintosh announcements. Usually how this is model number 8, 2 6 1 5 2 6 8 6 and 2 6 8 1. All list is running Monterey. So it's a Mac no other details. Just those numbers. Apple has to file these, of course, just like it's like the FCC has to file these ahead of time. How far ahead of time? The question is the question is, is it three weeks away?

Rene Ritchie (00:03:13):
Are you looking like your watch Leo?

Leo Laporte (00:03:15):
I'm looking at my watch. How close are we to a Mac mini? Right? It

Rene Ritchie (00:03:19):
Seems like they I, well, I think close. Leo. I think close. We are close. Isn't it? Mac? Maybe like there's three of them. Three is odd. Like if there was two of them, I could say like, it's, it's the pro and the max, those are the two skews, but three of them is like, that feels like maybe it's more than one. I don't, I don't wanna get my hopes up. I don't wanna get anybody's hopes up. I don't be that person, but when there's three of them, I'm like, what, what could it really be? Is like pro max something. Do what? A max, like,

Leo Laporte (00:03:46):
Let's go crazy and iMac a mini and a MacBook air. Let's go crazy.

Rene Ritchie (00:03:52):
The airs craziest though, because that's M two, they really start M two before

Leo Laporte (00:03:55):
The max and

Rene Ritchie (00:03:56):
Pros

Leo Laporte (00:03:56):
Are

Rene Ritchie (00:03:57):
Roll it. It's it's cats and dogs. Leo they're living to,

Leo Laporte (00:04:02):
I dunno. I just excited. That's all. I'm over excited.

Alex Lindsay (00:04:05):
I'm so ready to buy more Mac minis. That's all I excited.

Leo Laporte (00:04:07):
Yeah. We're all. This is all we talk about on show the last few weeks. It's just mini. It's

Alex Lindsay (00:04:12):
So much power for the price. I think that's the big issue. If you don't need to, if you don't need a laptop, you just get a lot of power.

Leo Laporte (00:04:20):
Hm. Well, and Lisa has an iMac, which we have to replace. Cause it's a 20, I don't know what Intel, it's a 2016. I think it's really, oh, it's starting to bog. It's

Rene Ritchie (00:04:31):
Like a green bubble computer. It's

Leo Laporte (00:04:33):
Starting to B. Yeah. It's starting to bog. It's not, it's not. It's she's having problems with it. She's got that. Whatever it is, 49 predator monitor. And I said, honey, you could have two predator monitors. You have, you could have 110 inches of screen curving around you. All you need is a little Mac mini in the middle.

Rene Ritchie (00:04:54):
You will have to buy her a separate space heater though, because these are not gonna, like, she's gonna be used to the warmth that you get on those cold, cold pet illuminates.

Leo Laporte (00:05:01):
It's not gonna happen. Yeah, no, I mean, she says, well, I got, I have a M one laptop. I could just use that. I said, you could, you could dock that. Sure you could.

Rene Ritchie (00:05:11):
Yeah. But you're

Leo Laporte (00:05:11):
The CEO

Rene Ritchie (00:05:12):
Woman deserves you

Leo Laporte (00:05:13):
Deserve. Yes. Deserves you deserve real estate baby. Yes. And I'm sitting here with my 55 inch alien wear OED hundred 20 Hertz ed thinking, boy, you know, it's, it's fine to have a PC plugged into it, but wouldn't it be something if I'd a Mac mini plugged into it. Yeah. Then how much would

Rene Ritchie (00:05:29):
You pay? Get a sun tan and you know, enjoy it to this.

Leo Laporte (00:05:32):
How would I how would I connect? I think you want a single keyboard and mouse. You've got a single monitor. How would you swap back and forth? What would be the easiest? Alex? You must do this. Didn't you say synergy, but that's not what I want. Exactly.

Alex Lindsay (00:05:48):
Yeah. I will not recommend synergy again. Oh, I, I have a mini here that won't work. I get killed it, it bricked it. So, so the, so here's what happened was I, I had synergy and I, I was just moving one of my drives over to the, just to get it out of the way. And it went a little over the edge to my other computer. Yeah. And synergy immediately asked for, can I have permission to use the drive, but it went into a race condition, right? When it happened. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:06:10):
Not good.

Alex Lindsay (00:06:11):
I literally cannot plug my keyboard in mouse, directly into the computer and have it actually work. The race condition is so intense. And even after I restarted the computer, the race condition is so intense. And even with, after a safe restart, the race condition is so intense that I can't get a, a word in edgewise with the computer. So I, I, I'm gonna have to build a, a separate drive, you know, boot to an external drive to rebuild my, my Mac mini based on synergy. So my, my love affair with synergy is over,

Leo Laporte (00:06:41):
Over, we retracted

Alex Lindsay (00:06:43):
Like

Leo Laporte (00:06:44):
A recommendation,

Alex Lindsay (00:06:45):
Like holy smokes. Like I have never seen anything, nail a Mac so hard, you know, like it just, just, just, just like, I mean, it's internal

Leo Laporte (00:06:52):
Extension. I don't remember how it installs, but it's probably, it's gotta be fairly local. Right.

Alex Lindsay (00:06:57):
Is, and it's just, it I've, I, I I've literally never had one that just pops up and it's, you can tell that it's in a race. Cause if I start pumping on the buttons on the, on the keyboard, every once in a while a letter comes down, so it's sitting in, it's sitting in a race condition and it is just, yeah, I'm done. Like, I'm just getting ready to install it. And I'll just use a KVM. Let's go back to the old way.

Leo Laporte (00:07:16):
Should I get a KVM? Is that,

Alex Lindsay (00:07:17):
Or don't know this morning, you don't drag things.

Leo Laporte (00:07:19):
I'm thinking, I'm really thinking that the mouse and keyboard are so different on max from PCs. I should probably have, I should be like Rick Wakeman and yes. And have a stack of keyboards.

Alex Lindsay (00:07:31):
I don't know. I just, I thought it, I was really into synergy until this morning. I know I had one other issue, but it was like, wow, did it, did it? I mean, I cannot get back into my Mac mini. I'm glad that it's not a production computer, cuz I'd be really upset right now. I'm just like, well, this is just a good lesson. So

Leo Laporte (00:07:47):
Will Apple eliminate the headphones shack Sam, we gave Sam's like a little heat after their event last week, because even on their giant 14.9 inch tablet, there's no headphones Jack. It's like, it's not that there's no lack. There's a lack of room. I don't understand why you would get rid of the, he Jack, unless you just wanted to sell Bluetooth. They had to

Rene Ritchie (00:08:11):
Make room for the notch.

Leo Laporte (00:08:13):
You can't have both leave. I know it has a notch. Isn't that funny?

Rene Ritchie (00:08:16):
It's only funny cuz they made fun.

Leo Laporte (00:08:18):
They front of the plug, they mock the headphones Jack and, and the notch and they've gotten and they have the notch and they've gotten

Rene Ritchie (00:08:24):
Rid and the power plug.

Leo Laporte (00:08:26):
So they have courage too. Now. Yes. So much courage.

Rene Ritchie (00:08:31):
It's like a secondary infection.

Leo Laporte (00:08:33):
Hmm. Anyway, I'm excited. March is we still think in March eighths. I know that's pure rumor, pure speculation.

Rene Ritchie (00:08:41):
ID it again

Leo Laporte (00:08:41):
Today he did. Is he reliable or it or whoever? Is it a frog? Eight outta 10. Eight outta 10 on Appletracker.

Rene Ritchie (00:08:50):
Yeah. Well, no I think just in general, I mean like the, the thing about mark, that's not just like how often he's right. But it's how many rumors he puts out. Like it's all like, it's great to be a hundred percent off three rumors, but he's must be like 800 rumors deep by now. But

Leo Laporte (00:09:02):
Let's, let's let's check the Appletrack source leaderboard right now. He's number two. There's some guy named Ross young, but that's only cuz probably Ross only has done on a few things cuz he's a hundred percent.

Andy Ihnatko (00:09:16):
One

Rene Ritchie (00:09:16):
Thing he's also, he's also a supply side analyst and he just watches the stuff, come by and then says what he sees. Yeah. Like it's a very different,

Leo Laporte (00:09:22):
German's given Garman situation that, you know, he, how many rumors he reports. He's very 85.5. Very high profile. Very accurate ahead of everybody else. Tweets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know his icon is a basketball. Yes. Poor Ross has a fish.

Rene Ritchie (00:09:44):
No Ross is really good. It's just, he doesn't have the quantity of them. And also again, like he's, he's, he's a display analyst. So he sees the panels that are going through the industry and you know what

Leo Laporte (00:09:53):
They're for? Yeah. That's easier

Rene Ritchie (00:09:54):
He sees what sees, but he knows what it means. That's a big

Leo Laporte (00:09:57):
Difference. I like it. John Proser icon is a roll of toilet paper, but he's not that bad. 69%, a little below goming G who's 70.4%. We should do this every week. Now, now that football's over, I need a, I I need some sort of statistical distraction. Yeah. Apple. See how

Rene Ritchie (00:10:17):
Many are gone? We gonna turn lake,

Leo Laporte (00:10:20):
Go ahead. Any,

Rene Ritchie (00:10:21):
Oh, I was just gonna say some of, of the best leakers have all retired this year. Like they like Dylan DKT has just left TWiTtter and Kang left. And

Leo Laporte (00:10:29):
Why, why do you think

Rene Ritchie (00:10:30):
Is gone? I think, I think it turns out the laws protecting them in China were

Leo Laporte (00:10:34):
Way different. Oh they're in China. Yeah. Sunny Dixon down to 54%. Sorry Andy, go ahead. He

Rene Ritchie (00:10:45):
Gets

Andy Ihnatko (00:10:47):
No, I was, I, I was just gonna say that if this is, this is the next level of stuff, when we stop being interested in the rumors and we're start, we start thinking about the beefs between the people who are actually generating the rumors. Yeah. That's we get into a Lewis, Hamilton versus MC versus staff and like sort of situation where like, oh, but the thing is min Minci quote. I think he pre-leased something just to draw out somebody else that

Leo Laporte (00:11:12):
Is happening in the chess world right now, because one of the top ranked super grand Gary says his TWiTtter was hacked and then some revealing DMS have leaked out. And then the world champion, Magnus, Carlson, tweets grow up. And it's so funny to watch these people who, you know, really, I don't know. I don't know how much of a life they have, but but they're living in, they're living their best life on TWiTtter.

Andy Ihnatko (00:11:40):
It's, it's, it's more fun when it's the YouTube like creators that are beefing with each other about, you know, I had this makeup line way before man, this one of the person had them, but so no, but let, to rewind to something else. So Renee, why do you think that there would, they would, they might, if they refresh the the, the, the MacBook error that they would have to have an M two and they wouldn't just simply say less and less, just keep this as the inexpensive low power, low heat one, we can put a lower, a power processor in there and get away with it just, well, they

Leo Laporte (00:12:14):
Already have the M one you thinking maybe go to the pro.

Andy Ihnatko (00:12:18):
Well, but, but, but it's got that fusty old old trade dress that this is, it seems as though with the

Leo Laporte (00:12:23):
Ization, the color, they could be color. Yeah. But they're gonna

Andy Ihnatko (00:12:27):
Giving it the, giving it the square edges, making it, giving it the, sort of the, the, the whole iMac makeover they gave last year for the iMac, which is just, which is long overdue. It just seems like that's, that's the future of the design for, for, I, for the, for the MacBook air, make it more colorful, make it more personal, make it more, look more like an iPad.

Rene Ritchie (00:12:48):
Yeah. I think they're gonna do exactly that. I think they're waiting on M two to do it one, because they'll just get the boos stuff. It ha like, if it doesn't have a new thing, a new chip in it, people will just lamb BA them at launch. But I think more practically the things that are unique about M two, if it's based on a 15 or a 16, which it almost certainly will be probably a 15, if it's any time soon, it it's, it's better performance at lower power draw, which is even better for a MacBook air that you're gonna make even smaller. So it'll be like, it'll be like the 12 inch MacBook, same size screen. As the current MacBook air, if they call it air, it might be called a MacBook, but it'll have just way better performance, way better efficiency. And it'll have at least one pro res engine in it like a 15 does, which will be a huge help for just people who really want edit a little bit of video, but really mostly want an ultra powerful that and the led cause they're supposed to go to mini L E D as well.

Rene Ritchie (00:13:37):
That adds a hundred bucks to the price tag at the least. And that's not unusual. Every MacBook air has come in like 200 bucks, more expensive than the 9 99 predecessor. So they're just gonna leave the M one around for a year and a half, two years until they get the M two down to that price. And I think that lets them have the best of both worlds. They can pay off the R and D on it real, real quick. They can put in the mini L E D display and they'll still have a low end for anybody who wants it. I won't

Leo Laporte (00:14:00):
Make gr Renee recap, his M one M two discussions. He's got some very good videos, including the most recent one, M two max incoming chip spent 12 hours

Rene Ritchie (00:14:09):
On animating chips on animating chips last night, Leo like literal, literal chip diet.

Leo Laporte (00:14:15):
You've really, you've really upgraded your production statue here.

Rene Ritchie (00:14:20):
I wanna explain better because people still ask. They're like why doesn't the iPhone have an M one? And I have to explain it. Does the iPhone 12 had an M one,

Leo Laporte (00:14:27):
Right? Or

Rene Ritchie (00:14:28):
Why is Applegonna put out an M two? If the M one like Applecan't put on an M two, because we're just getting the M one max. I'm like the number doesn't mean what you want. What do you

Leo Laporte (00:14:35):
Think? It means? Yeah, that's the real so Jess, that's the bottom I'll bottom line. And I mean, if you listen to Mac brick weekly, or you watch Renee videos, you already know this, but they're derivative of the, a, of the, a series chips in the iPhone. So yeah. So you can get a newer M designation, like, because it's gonna be the a 15, but it's not gonna be the killer chip. That's coming down the road with a presumably an M two pro an M two pro or an M two max. And it's

Rene Ritchie (00:15:03):
Not new, like an Intel core, I three 12th generation. Isn't more powerful than a core I nine 11 generation. Like you like the number of cores makes a huge difference in a

Leo Laporte (00:15:14):
Lot of workloads. Yeah. But Appledoesn't have as many designations, so it's, It will now Intel, you know, it's confusing Apple. You expect it to be linear. Well,

Rene Ritchie (00:15:22):
You're gonna have like the nothing. And then the pro and then the max and then a number of dyes. So it's people getting there,

Leo Laporte (00:15:27):
Leo. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:15:28):
Yeah. And, and I think that the that's what, one of the reasons, a lot of us like the minis is because it's less of an investment when, when you need to buy another one, you buy another one, it's not $3,000 for each one of these. Yeah. and especially since a lot more people are working at home, it makes more sense. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:15:44):
Yeah. Okay. Excitement. It's interesting.

Rene Ritchie (00:15:48):
Can I just add one thing it's, it's super interesting. And this was the crux of my video from, from this morning is that come the holiday season, we might well have an M one entry level Mac mini on the market alongside a Mac mini pro and a Mac mini max at the higher end. And then an M two Mac mini in like delicious colors, right in the middle of those. And that'll be true for the iMac and maybe for the MacBook pro as well. So we'll, there'll be a large variety of choice come holiday seasons. And that's something we haven't had in a very long time.

Leo Laporte (00:16:17):
The other thing we've had all along with Appleis this kind of linear progression of devices. And this confuses it a little bit. I understand why people are confused. Yeah. I guess you can still go by price though, right. Instead of looking so much at the Chi at the chip, look at the price, cuz that's de linear, right? The more you spend fast.

Rene Ritchie (00:16:42):
Huh? Can we just

Alex Lindsay (00:16:42):
Say that's what I think is, what I think is interesting also is, is that you are Appleis getting pretty close to giving you a a line, a line that from about $700 to about $60,000.

Leo Laporte (00:16:57):
It just,

Alex Lindsay (00:16:57):
And there's just a line wherever you wanna go in there. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:17:01):
Yeah. They did that with the iPod. Remember it's a good, it's a good strategy. You come out with the, this is really analogous to what happened with the iPod. There was this high priced initial thing and they, and then over a period of a decade, they expanded the line. So you really covered the whole range. So that no matter what, you were able to spend, what you were in the market for, there was an iPod for you. And now I think they're

Alex Lindsay (00:17:23):
The same

Leo Laporte (00:17:23):
Thing.

Alex Lindsay (00:17:24):
The hardest thing is for, for those of us in the pro area still gets into the Invidia problem. You know, where the lack of GPU, the, the problem isn't so much the, the GPU is there and the GP you as powerful. It's just that there's a lot of hats that are written to the Invidia card. And so, so it's hard for us to, you know, there's things that we just have to use the PC for because it doesn't, you know, the Mac, it doesn't matter how fast the GPU is. It's not being written to, you know, by some

Leo Laporte (00:17:47):
So, so to be clear, the, the now in these new M one maxes and presumably in an M two max down the road are as comp, are you, would you say they're as they're,

Alex Lindsay (00:17:57):
They're not, no, they're not as fast. I mean, they're, they're fast. And as they get bigger, as there's more Ram available to them, they may overtake the NVI point point. That's

Leo Laporte (00:18:07):
One advantage they have, cuz they're using the same Ram shared memory that they're using shared memory. So they're not limited to Ram that's on a, a video card. They can use the entire available memory if it's available.

Alex Lindsay (00:18:17):
So there's a trajectory that has them pass them. But when you start looking at Quadra cards, those are pretty powerful. Yeah. You know, like it's well,

Leo Laporte (00:18:23):
And we as firing on all four cylinders and maybe 80. Yeah. We, we,

Alex Lindsay (00:18:27):
We had, we were in a discuss and after hours in our office hours thing about, about crypto and you know, people mining and they, and was, it came up like, have you mind with the M one? They're like, yeah, it's not worth it. It's not, it's not, it's not, it's not efficient.

Leo Laporte (00:18:41):
That's an interesting measure because of course Bitcoin and other following cryptocurrencies are, are very carefully designed so that the D of mining gets harder and harder as more coin is generated. And it roughly corresponds, I don't know if this was intentional with the expense of electricity so that as it gets more expensive, you could get more and more sensitive to the cost of electricity.

Alex Lindsay (00:19:04):
It's all about electricity. I mean, people have these, they were talking about, they have these cards that are like just connected to these tiny little pieces that are just hanging, like literally hanging. So there's all airflow around them and it's just the card just raw, hard sticking out. Yeah. Cause you're trying to reduce,

Leo Laporte (00:19:19):
They sell Bitcoin miners to heat your house. I mean, they literally do do both

Rene Ritchie (00:19:24):
Workers get a nasty surprise. I hate they use that nasty surprise from Forbes, but didn't, they get a nasty surprise with their power bills this month. I just thought to of

Leo Laporte (00:19:30):
California too. And some of that, at least in California, all of it, I think is the cost of natural gas is doubled over last year. That's a, that's a, that's a big hit all of a sudden, cause we don't usually heat until round and about now.

Rene Ritchie (00:19:44):
Cause they had the tiny apartments and thousand dollar bills all of a sudden

Leo Laporte (00:19:47):
Ever seen before. Yeah. Is that their it's electricity? It's going up in, I

Rene Ritchie (00:19:50):
Guess yeah. A ConEd. Is that electricity?

Leo Laporte (00:19:53):
Yeah. Well it was all con. No, see we have PG and E and it's gas and electricity. I bet ConEd both. So I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. And, and of course you're heating. Most people still heat with gas or oil and we

Rene Ritchie (00:20:04):
Have hydro Quebec, it's all nationalized and it's all water Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:20:06):
Well, and that's another problem because a lot of the hydro, because of the drought, hydro generat gone way down. So there's a, there is a cost of energy and to

Rene Ritchie (00:20:15):
Grow for geothermal,

Leo Laporte (00:20:17):
I don't know what time to make a giant sun collection mirror or something.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:24):
We have

Rene Ritchie (00:20:24):
Reactors if you want 'em yeah. Like we're

Leo Laporte (00:20:26):
Happy to sell 'em no, we don't want 'em. I,

Alex Lindsay (00:20:28):
Our, our power bills are the lowest in the winter because we have these big windows that face. Nice. And so the house heats up on its own's

Leo Laporte (00:20:35):
Nice.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:35):
That's smart. Need me help.

Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
That's smart. Actually. That's the, there's a big track.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:39):
I wish I designed

Leo Laporte (00:20:39):
It, but building houses with an eye towards energy efficiency and how you orient it is really important.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:45):
It's not as efficient during the summer. Right. Cause there's a lot of AC, right? So

Leo Laporte (00:20:52):
Applesays a small portion of iPhones recorded interactions with Siri. Even if you opt it out, I know this because my AppleTV updated and all of a sudden I had to say, yes, it's okay. Or no, it's not okay for wrap to monitor. And you're gonna, when you get 15, whatever the next 1, 15, 2 you'll, you'll probably get the same announcement as they fix this bug. You have to reenable Siri recording, monitoring, or disab read disable. If it's up to you, re Re how much is this a big deal? Is this a big privacy issue? Andy, I mean, are we, we, are we like, is this all? Is this the end of the world? Or just,

Andy Ihnatko (00:21:31):
No, it's it. This, this is always, this is always a case of the, the biggest fear that like most consumers have regarding privacy of these devices is the always on microphone that you don't know. If it's recording, you don't know what's doing with anything with Apple, it's not gonna be a problem because they have a really good reputation. This, this one of the few companies that when they say that this was a legitimate mistake for, sorry, we're gonna fix it. You, you have a tendency to believe them. If it's Facebook. No, if it's Google, you're willing to give them a steely glance for good eight seconds to see if they break. And if they don't break, just, just, you know, like, like your, like your mom did when they're pretty sure you're telling, they're telling the truth, but you can't take the risk that you're lying and they're gonna try to sweat it out of you. But yeah, this is, this is not gonna be, this is let let's put it this way. This is not the biggest embarrassment PR nightmare that Appleis facing regarding privacy and safety and security of customers of its hardware products.

Leo Laporte (00:22:25):
15.4, which is currently in beta, asks you to, if you would re reenable improve Siri dictation. The verge says Appletold them that the bug was identified shortly after the release of iOS 15 Apple's response was to immediately stop reviewing any recordings in inadvertently received and deleting info received from the affected devices. After the discovering the bug, they just turn, this is why you have to go through the improved sir, dictation setting. Again, they immediately disabled the feature for many users. And then in 15, two corrected the opt-in setting. So it's fixed in 15 two, but you, you you're gonna see this across all your, your Appledevices. You're gonna get a prompt asking for your permission to enable the improve Siri in dictation feature. That's gonna happen at least for sure. In 15 four. So in so Apple, this is a little confusing.

Leo Laporte (00:23:23):
I know with I, this is Catherine fr from Appletalking to the verge with iOS 15 two, we turned off the improved Siri detect dictation setting for many Siri users while we fixed a bug introduced with iOS 15. So it's off, but then they're gonna, once I, I guess it's gonna be, you're gonna gonna have a chance to turn it back on. If you wish with 15 four, I don't care. I don't care if you know, I mean, is this the loud sex problem? What is it? People are worried about? I don't little snippets of things

Andy Ihnatko (00:24:00):
Just in principle. You know, you don't, you don't want a recording of yours to go to, to elsewhere, but it it's an important, but it's an important part of making this device work. If the, if the device sends feedback that says that, by the way, Apple, my creator I had a problem parsing, a certain piece of text. It is very, very important to know, well, what text were you stumbling on? And how do we fix that? Right? cuz otherwise you're not gonna be able to prove it. It makes it better, but this is I'm I'm. This is one area in which people should to be paranoid about. People should expect a very high level of standard from the makers of these devices because you can't just simply wave them off and say, oh, well just trust us. Trust us. Why, why would we be collecting information from you in 2022 information is valueless. The, you know, you need to be able to conv, you need to earn people's trust. And this is how

Leo Laporte (00:24:42):
You do it. On the other hand, if you use zoom on a Mac, you might want updated cuz it too was Le well, I don't know what they were doing with it, but they left the mic on by accident after your meeting. And the only reason we know is Monterey tells you, Hey, mic's on.

Andy Ihnatko (00:25:00):
Yeah. See this. This is why I love the idea of hardware switches on microphone. Me too. And hardware covers on cameras that there's I, I trust you trust the little L E D. You trust the little indicator that control by software, but not there's nothing like having a, having a a, a stub headphone Jack that's jammed into a microphone slot that says that look, there is no possible way. You could be getting it from getting sound off of this thing.

Leo Laporte (00:25:24):
You gotta love cashmere hill, New York time. Oh, what's that? Oh, you get a little, you get a little shutter. It

Alex Lindsay (00:25:29):
Is one of the webcams. This is one of cams, but it comes with them. I mean, a lot of them are coming with that about half the ones that mine right now for research come with a little.

Leo Laporte (00:25:36):
Yeah. That's the way it should be. Yes.

Rene Ritchie (00:25:38):
Since all the work from home incidents, we all have to watch on. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:25:41):
Loop. Ooh.

Rene Ritchie (00:25:43):
I think that the key factor for me is that bugs will happen. Accidents will always happen. So it's how a company responds to them and how often they happen. Like there've been cases where C's been told to stop like location tracking and then oops. It was somewhere else. And then turns out it was deeper in a setting. It was in another setting. It was in an account setting. There's eight different times. It happens that they're still recording this stuff. Then you're like, okay, fool me once, you know, shame on you fool me TWiTce, shame on me. But there's a lot of times when these, like, it's just, it's bad code gets pushed. A mistake happens. They fix it. You don't hear about it again. And to me, that's the process working as design. It'll never be perfect. But if you have people who are of good intention, they will fix it.

Leo Laporte (00:26:21):
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Leo Laporte (00:30:18):
Another Dutch group is a man at Apple. I still, we still haven't heard the response from the Dutch dating apps about Apple's silly proposal. The Dutch app store's claim foundation has taken on the iPhone maker and Google to over claims that Dutch can sums have overpaid up to a billion euros, 1 billion euros, the foundation, which is chaired by a journalist Alexander cropping trade name is asking for a refund. Are they suing? That's the question we have

Rene Ritchie (00:31:02):
Grounds. I'd love to see the grounds.

Leo Laporte (00:31:04):
Yeah. Yeah. They're they're calling for Dutch residents to sign up for the claim. Any resident in the Netherlands who purchased at least one app service or subscription is eligible. They're are

Rene Ritchie (00:31:19):
They saying cuz of 30% is too high. They deserve money back. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:31:22):
But saying they've also promised to try avoiding legal proceedings. So they're gonna try to settle outta court. Good luck.

Rene Ritchie (00:31:30):
They do know that if the 30% goes down, the developers, like a lot of them will just keep it right. Like cuz they need money too. They have families to feed like

Leo Laporte (00:31:37):
The money's gonna be there. Yeah. Who's to who would be see that's really. And I think that's Apple's defense taking a page from the book of Alex. Lindsay is we're doing what's best for consumers. And if, if, if we changed this, it would make it harder for consumers and developers who pocket the money. So what do you want? Well, I'd

Rene Ritchie (00:31:55):
Likely don't learn to have it. That'd be good.

Alex Lindsay (00:31:57):
I mean they're all fighting for it, but I think that the problem is is that so Applechanges 15% does. And the problem like is it, does that, does that really solve it? And if, and if they do it kind of undermines everybody that spent all this time complaining about 30%, they now don't have a case cause what they they're using 30%. But what they really want is to be able to install outside the app outside of the store and outside of the store is not gonna be great for the, for the user. You know, outside of the store means that eventually they'll start only publishing outside the store cuz that's what, you know, that's what Facebook wants. Right. So they can track you. And so, so so you start losing, we start losing as users, we start losing choice and then we also, it increases friction.

Alex Lindsay (00:32:37):
You know, like for instance, a good example is the AppleTV, because of all the, they don't have this rule for the AppleTV, you can do whatever kind of registration mess that you want to create. And I don't even bother anymore. I don't go to the app store in the AppleTV because it's just too much trouble. Like, it's just like, I'm not gonna, I, you can't even get me to sign up for free for something because I gotta fill out some form. And so, so that's, but that's, what's coming, you know, with, with all of this, I don't think that, you know, I, it, it's not gonna be good for small app developers because small app developers depend on people going, oh this is easy. Just like CS, I'll just go, I'll just buy. Like I get interested in something at $3. I just buy four of 'em and try to figure out which one is the best one that'll end. You know, if it becomes a pain to do, you know,

Leo Laporte (00:33:14):
Little Valentine's day gift from the authority for consumers in markets yesterday day in Holland, they another fine another week, fourth week in a row now 5 million euros. And they say that Apple's conditions, the new 27% thing, which requires developing a new app is unnecessary and unreasonable condition that Apple's imposing on dating app providers and it's revised conditions, Applewell that's who Sue third.

Andy Ihnatko (00:33:45):
Well, yeah, exactly. It was the, it was the match group that the, the conglomerate that owns pretty much every dating app. They're the, they're the company that brought this suit and that's why they limit so far. They've limited just to dating apps.

Leo Laporte (00:33:54):
This is what they choice Dutch regulator writes in its revised conditions. Appleimposes a considerable number of conditions on dating app providers that wish to use an alternative method, method of payment ACM is of the opinion that this condition hurts dating app providers, dating app providers that opt for an alternative payment system are thus forced to incur additional costs and consumers that currently use the app have to switch to the new app before their avail able to use the new alternative method of payment, blah, blah, blah. We already, you know, we knew this was a Applethumbing their nose at these guys. So

Alex Lindsay (00:34:30):
I think it was up to 50 million. I'm sure that someone at Applejust said, okay, well this is gonna cost us 50 million.

Leo Laporte (00:34:33):
Exactly. There's a cutoff. I can't remember what it is. Yeah. Maybe it's just 10 weeks. So they're gonna keep, they're gonna keep doing it.

Andy Ihnatko (00:34:39):
And, and, and I hate to think that that Applewould be a company. I, I, I don't, I have no doubts that that is their part of their thinking, but that's that doesn't speak well of Applethat they're saying that, well, this is a law that we're, we're forced to comply with. We've already basically told them to go take a hike TWiTce and been told back by the courts that no, that's not sufficient. You have to do better. You have to follow our laws. And if they were to simply say, well, 50 million, 50 million Euro half, we'll just write the check and we'll keep doing what the hell we want that would not speak well to Google as excuse me, to Apple. It's something that Google would do. It's something that Facebook would do and it's just as bad for Appleto do it. I think

Leo Laporte (00:35:13):
We spoke about it. In fact, Andy, thank you for joining us Sunday on TWiTtter. It was great having you. It was fun. And we spoke about it on Sunday and essentially you made the point, they, they, they say, well, we have to buy, pay all rules in China. So we're getting rid of whatever VPN apps, but then in Holland, eh, 50 million euros, big deal. So

Alex Lindsay (00:35:35):
Well, but I think that they're also trying to figure out where that line is. They they've be like, okay, we're gonna give you a little. And then they say no. And like, okay, well let's go back to the, I mean, they're not gonna jump. And you know, you know, they're just, they're just kind of doing it.

Leo Laporte (00:35:45):
Is there any law in China that slowly, that Appledoes not adhere to that Applesays, oh, forget it. We're gonna pay

Alex Lindsay (00:35:50):
The fine fines, fines in criminal, in China, it's criminal. Right. And in, in Europe, it's fine. Fines are just a calculated, like risk.

Leo Laporte (00:35:58):
You just kinda so whatever. So your to the Dutch regulator is start putting people in jail.

Alex Lindsay (00:36:02):
If you started making a criminal, there would be a different, there would a different problem. Or the numbers were bigger than Applewould probably have to make, make a adjust. Exactly.

Andy Ihnatko (00:36:08):
The, the, the other thing they could do if they don't, if they're not, if they're not, if they're not digging human rights violations, they could also be responsible for about 20, for about 21, 20 1% of Apples, Applerevenue, that would also help. Yeah. And that's, that's another thing that doesn't make Applelook good, that if it's like, if it's a small country that they don't feel as though they make a whole lot of money off of, so they can afford to bully them around. Versus if China were to say, if China were to simply, it's a complicated relationship, I absolutely acknowledge that China is also very, very much dependent on, excuse me, very, very much in favor of keeping good relationships with Applegoing. But yeah, clearly Appleis not gonna tell them to go take a hike. If it, if there's a risk of losing again, 20% of their, of their annual money or any, or, or anything like that. And again, that would not speak for Apple, if that were indeed the case,

Leo Laporte (00:36:58):
Apple's share of the

Rene Ritchie (00:36:59):
Differences.

Leo Laporte (00:37:00):
Go ahead, Renee.

Rene Ritchie (00:37:01):
The proceedings, the proceedings in China are not public. Like we're watching this take place in front of us where everything Applehas to negotiate with China is done long before we ever hear about it. And they'll push back on things like they, they would just data repatriation. China just wanted everything. And Apple's like, well, what about we do this? What if there's like as company, right? If there's, and eventually they come to agreement. And then we hear about it with, with Holland, if, if this was all behind closed doors and eventually said, Apples agreed to blah, blah, blah, that'd be very similar, but we get to see it in public. So it's just like, oh, Apple's negotiating in public. We've

Leo Laporte (00:37:33):
Never seen, well, that's a good point. In fact, we, we found out recently, remember this five years ago, Appleand Google and others made you know, negotiated a deal with the Chinese government, which is about which is expiring now. But yeah, that, that that's right. We, we don't see what happens. Apple's smartphone share in the us, according to counterpoint going up, going up let's see it hold those teens. Yeah. It, it's not its highest in Q4 of last year. They estimated Appleat 65% market share in Q4 of this year. 56%. It's interesting though. I don't, I think I'm these, I'm gonna have to call foul on these numbers because the percentage of market share shouldn't vary by quarter, by as much as 10%, that doesn't make any sense at all. People either have the phone or they don't have the phone. So, you know, is Samsung's did Samsung's market share really go up from Q4 2020 to Q1 2021 by 11%. That seems odd. So anyway, but here's, that's the numbers I'll give 'em to you from counterpoint. The problem is, I don't know how they get it. The, you know, there's only Appleand Samsung really really know for short, nevertheless, still more than half. But nowhere near monopoly size, I guess that's what Applereally is worried about and cares about.

Andy Ihnatko (00:39:04):
Yeah. If, if anything, Samsung should be worried cuz they, they, they own the Android market to an ex to an extent that basically is for all intents purposes is very, very close to what I Appleowning the iPhone hardware market. So a lot of stuff that, that said about Applecould also be said about Samsung

Leo Laporte (00:39:21):
Speaking of Samsung, of course last week on Wednesday they announced the new S 22 series, including their top of the line S 22 ultra, which starts at 1300 bucks. You know, it's funny when Applefirst broke that thousand dollars barrier, it was a big deal. Now everybody's like, eh, well 13.

Rene Ritchie (00:39:37):
So Leo is the ultra. Is it like a galaxy note? I'm unclear by the way the internet has covered it. It is. I wish somebody would just tell me if it was like a galaxy note.

Leo Laporte (00:39:45):
It, yeah. There's seems like still hasn't said we're not gonna do a galaxy note, but for all intents and purposes, this is the size 6.8 inches. It's got a stylist housed inside. It looks, it's got squared off edges. Like the galaxy note as a longtime note lover and owner, to me, it's the new galaxy note and whether Samsung does.

Rene Ritchie (00:40:03):
Oh, my favorite Samsung.

Leo Laporte (00:40:04):
Yeah. I, I ordered immediately. I can't wait to get it. Yeah. But don't get your hopes up. You guys, cuz even though it's got a very fast

Speaker 6 (00:40:12):
Qualcom snap, dragon, eighth generation one

Leo Laporte (00:40:15):
CPU, it ain't an iPhone 13 CPU. It's not an a 15 in benchmarks while the, this is from a PC magazine. So you could trust it while the Samsung galaxy S 22 ultra and S 22 plus outpace all other Android phones. We've tested on performance benchmarks that's cuz it has the new gum chip. It lacks the raw processing power of Apples. A 15.

Rene Ritchie (00:40:42):
Can I make a bold statement Leo?

Leo Laporte (00:40:44):
Yes please.

Rene Ritchie (00:40:45):
So like there was this art, I was just looking back. There was this article that came out last September that said Appleis suffering this massive brain drain. They've lost all these architects to Nuvia they're being bought by Qualcomm. The age of Apple, Silicon is over and clearly, clearly not the smartest take in the room, but it occurs to me like just looking at Qualcomm's roadmap that the Nuvia architects at Qualcomm to me feel very much like Mike Mattis when he left Appleand went to Facebook at Apple, he was working under, you know, Greg Christie and Scott forreal and Steve jobs. He had all these editors, these O tours shaping him to make some of the best computer interfaces we've ever seen at Facebook. He spent like five years making chat. HEADSS like he had no oversight at all. He could do whatever he wanted did, did barely anything. And what he did do just was not good for consumers. And I feel like, you know, these people worked under Johnny Saru and under Tim and for years and they, they had everything carefully edited and now it feels like they're at Qualcomm and it's just like, do whatever you want guys. They're like everything

Andy Ihnatko (00:41:42):
The

Rene Ritchie (00:41:42):
Applesaid no to

Leo Laporte (00:41:43):
We're

Rene Ritchie (00:41:43):
Doing now. And I just 

Leo Laporte (00:41:45):
I D here's here's some benchmarks. This is the base mark web, the web browser benchmark. The big long bar at the bar is the iPhone 13. Promax roughly TWiTce the speed of the S 22 ultra geek bench. Doesn't fail a whole lot better that black bar at the bottom is the geek bench score for the 13 pro it's 46 47 compared with the ultras 34 33 on the multi-core the score, not quite as much of a difference on the single core score or the machine learning score. But I think the multi-core is what you're gonna care about. Yeah. But

Rene Ritchie (00:42:20):
It's, it's said such a much higher power, like what this doesn't account for is that where Appleis sipping like six Ys, this thing is like a blast furnace,

Leo Laporte (00:42:27):
4,000 million amp hours in the ultra. So I'll be interested to see, I mean, I think that Qualcomm has done a lot to to improve efficiency. And so the early reports and their, you know, their reviewers cuz nobody is Dave

Rene Ritchie (00:42:42):
2D had a good take too. He's like, no, no one plays GA an impact 24 hours a day. So when you're seeing a lot of the benchmarks is not an accurate reflection of everyday life, which totally fair enough. But these processors need like Samsung just promised five years of updates like Appleand how a processor acts today is not your indicator of what it's gonna act like when you get that fifth year of updates. We've seen that with Applealready. I'm super happy Samsung's doing it, but Qualcom really ha in the areas where they use Qualcomm and not EXOS cuz in the EXOS areas it's Samsung's problem. But in the Qualcomm areas, they've gotta make sure that that process area is great five years from now, right.

Leo Laporte (00:43:13):
One place that Apple does lose to the ultra is in graphics in the graphics bench five Aztec ruins, the oh no, nevermind. Applewins little never nevermind. Well

Alex Lindsay (00:43:30):
I don't know if they win. They, well, they went over the 22, but there's a couple of 'em they're, they're a little faster than

Leo Laporte (00:43:35):
The only place. Samsung is is beating them is in the FHD the 10, a P they're a little bit faster. They're burning

Rene Ritchie (00:43:43):
Power to do

Leo Laporte (00:43:43):
It. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see, I ordered it. I'll let you know, I get it on the 25th. So I'll let you know you know, battery life is gonna be a good question cause it is a relatively small battery, although early reviewers say the battery life is very good, so

Andy Ihnatko (00:43:58):
We should see. Yeah, well it is the, the known as a unique product, but for if, if I were considering a choice between an iPhone and the, and the ultra, it would large, one of the factors would be, oh man, I really like the idea of having like the Spen I like the idea of having a stylist and a display is gonna respond to it. And that's what the that's always been. One thing that I've always one of my, one of the long things I think about is like, what if Applewere to do an iPhone, just reserve it for the, for the most expensive I iPhone only with like the larger screen, but what if they were to do some sort of pencil support that is, that will approximate what you can get on the iPad. I mean, I know that my, I know that originally most of the bottlenecks board that, well, the screen doesn't refresh nearly fast enough.

Andy Ihnatko (00:44:42):
The the, the, the scanner does not refresh fast enough, but now we're seeing native displays of it. It can do 128, excuse me, a or 20 of easy that's. And I think that was the original refresh rate for the first generation of iPads that used the Applepencil. Second, I could be wrong about that second. Thank you. It, it seems like it's closer to something that's doable without having to basically create an iPad sub mini in order to make that happen. But because that's, that would be, imagine just a leather case that has, that has a worm for worm for a large iPad, iPhone pro and maybe a stubby, like a super sharpened Applepencil. That that's one of the things that could get me to switch back real quick.

Leo Laporte (00:45:27):
The Samsung does have the, the stylist built in, which is, you know, this is the other thing Apple's gonna have to, to figure out Sasha Segan in his benchmark review on PC magazine does say I'm a bit concerned about the thermal throttling I saw in the Galaxys 22 ultra while running benchmarks. The phone quickly became warm. And as soon as it became warm, it returned much lower results. So just to your point, Renee they take a lot of power to get the speeds. Yeah. And

Alex Lindsay (00:45:51):
I think at this point from fundamentally it's, people need to feel like their phone is close to the other phones around it, but it's really, they're choosing as Andy pointed out feature sets. Yeah. As opposed to it, as long as they're

Leo Laporte (00:46:01):
Range. Yeah. No phone is slow at this point. I don't think

Alex Lindsay (00:46:04):
We have very few applications that are really pushing the outer envelope of the phones capability.

Leo Laporte (00:46:09):
Well, it's the same discussion with 5g, you know, carriers are now rolling out the mid band C band 5g. I don't did I mention on this show? I happened to be standing when I was in the line at DMV, I noticed my iPhone 12 said, I'm on, T-Mobile said UC 5g, you see, I said, what's UC. And I had benchmark 500 megabits own. And I thought, well, that's great. But then I thought, but what is it we do on our phones. It needs 500 megabits down. I could see at your home where you're sharing it with five other people. I guess if you were doing a hotspot for five people,

Alex Lindsay (00:46:47):
It'd be great.

Leo Laporte (00:46:47):
Yeah. But, but yeah. Right. So, you know, while we talk a lot about alt millimeter, wave it and gigabit and better performance and see band getting, you know, half that, but still 500 megabits. Yeah. What do for

Andy Ihnatko (00:47:02):
The thing is you, you don't, you don't take your laptop out when you're waiting in line in the DMV, even though God knows you can it's this, this is the, this, the first line. It's the first line where you start to notice that my God, I can't believe that I, that that this stream started instantly and I'm doing much, much better, better band rate that I've been able to do previously.

Leo Laporte (00:47:19):
Yeah. But a stream, again, a best quality stream you're gonna put on your phone. It's more than 25 or 50. So fast starts, you know, faster DNS, lower latency. All of those things might end up being important. But I, you know, I don't know if

Alex Lindsay (00:47:32):
I think it, when you start thinking about gaming, you know, gaming on it, where there might be a lot of data coming towards you, five, hundred's still a high number, but, but I think that a hundred or 200 isn't necessarily,

Leo Laporte (00:47:41):
Nobody's gonna design a game that needs that much bandwidth, cuz nobody would be able to play it.

Rene Ritchie (00:47:45):
Well, they're gonna do it now, Leo, you know what happens every time you say something. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:47:48):
I know

Alex Lindsay (00:47:49):
It happens well. And what happens is, is that they scale it to what is available. Like, so to your point, like if everybody has a hundred to 200 people will start using it, you know? And, and so things that we thought were impossible before, because we didn't have the bandwidth and now when they're possible, people start developing and, and it's easy to also decide, well, I can see your bandwidth, then I'm not only gonna send you this resolution. If, if you had more bandwidth with, I'll send you more resolution and you know, and so it's just a matter of figuring out, you know, what that tradeoff is. And so it, you could end up with a high end game that is sending you much, much more dense, you know, polygonal account, you know, higher polygon counts and so on. So forth based on your bandwidth. Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:48:27):
Cash hill running in the New York times I used app pulls air tags, tiles, and a GPS tracker to watch my husband's every move.

Rene Ritchie (00:48:36):
I mean, at least, I mean, to her credit, like, like she did a, like this wasn't like a hit job on air tags. She took a bunch of different trackers and then put her husband, her freedom, loving husband through the ringer.

Leo Laporte (00:48:47):
Yeah. I mean the sub, the subhead really tells you what, this is a, all about a vast location tracking network is being built around us. So we don't lose our keys. One couple's adventures in the consumer tech surveillance state, and Applehas made some changes in response to, you know, all the fears about stalking with the air techs. This came out February from Apple, an update on air tag and unwanted tracking. They're they're taking this seriously app, you know, blah, blah, blah. We've become aware that individuals can receive unwanted tracking alerts from benign reasons, such as borrowing someone's keys with an air tag attached, or when traveling in a car with a family member's AirPods in left. We've seen reports of bad actors attempting to misuse air tag for malicious or criminal reasons. We've been working closely with various safety groups and law enforcement through our own evaluations and these discussions we've identified even more ways we can update air tag safety warnings and help guard against further unwanted tracking. I, I gotta get a whole credit because as we've pointed out in this show, they're inexpensive GPS devices that do a far better job. You know, in that article. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:50:00):
In the article mean in the article.

Leo Laporte (00:50:01):
Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:50:01):
It was very clear by the end of the article that it was Applewas not the best, the best one to use for what you

Leo Laporte (00:50:06):
Really wanted Snoop on your

Alex Lindsay (00:50:08):
Spouse. Well, we used, we, the RC that too airland C we used those for our truck. So we used to use 'em for our trucks and it was useful.

Leo Laporte (00:50:16):
So Appleis providing paired account details in response to a subpoena or, or valid request from law enforcement. So beware co criminals they, you know, Appleknows who owns those air tags because each is unique. It's on the clause. In fact, we have successfully partnered with them on cases where information we provided has been used to trace an air tag back to the perpetrator who was then apprehended and charged.

Alex Lindsay (00:50:45):
Apple's protect your privacy for privacy,

Leo Laporte (00:50:50):
Shared their appreciation. So, but here's some things there'll be new privacy warnings during air tag set up, just so you understand better. I think this is a good idea. Exactly. You know, how this works still doesn't help somebody who doesn't have an air tag a or more importantly, has an Android device addressing alert issues.

Rene Ritchie (00:51:11):
Well, I think that's supposed to warn the, the, the potential abuser that they're gonna be tracked. I think that's

Leo Laporte (00:51:16):
The, the air tag is designed. It says to be detected by victims and that law enforcement can request identifying information about you. So that's the, that's the point of that addressing alert issues for AirPods we've heard from users have reported receiving an unknown accessory, detective alert, we've confirmed. This alert will not display. If an air tag is detected near you only AirPods their generation AirPods pro AirPods max, or a third party five, my network accessory. So instead of saying unknown accessory, they're gonna say, we'll be updating the alert so that it indicates AirPods have been traveling with you. Not that's actually. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. That should and it's also updating its unwanted tracking support article on Apple.com to better communicate the safety features. And then they're thinking about some additional updates they want to introduce later in the year, including precision finding that will help you. If you have an I 4 11, 12, or 13, see the distance and direction to an unknown air tag when it's in the range. So you'll be able to track it down

Andy Ihnatko (00:52:25):
Fun. It makes it easier to find it as opposed. Just getting a warning that Hey, it's time for, to tear apart your entire car or tear apart everything within a 20 foot radius in where to find you. Yeah,

Alex Lindsay (00:52:35):
That's the, I mean the, the ultra wide band is capable of a pretty accurate position. So you, you, you should only have a box of about 10 centimeters that you have to worry worry about.

Leo Laporte (00:52:46):
As an iPhone user moves, precision finding fuses input from the camera, AR kit accelerometer, and gyroscope to guide them to the ear tag through a combination of sound haptics and visual feedback. I want that just for final, like, people

Rene Ritchie (00:52:58):
Are really upset about this part because like, well, there's a whole group of people who just wanna be Batman and bat woman, and I'm discounting those because people get injured in secondary like locations all the time don't ever hunt down. These are not meant for you to be superhero and on your own stuff. But also people are now worried because like, this is a very, very difficult needle to thread because Appledesigned them to find lost items. They did not design them to stock people. And they did not design them for you to be Batman or Spiderman or whatever. But there are people now who worry that if they leave it in their camera bag or leave it in their wallet previously, the person like the whole network wouldn't know where your wallet or your camera was, you would just know that it was there and you could go get it. And now it's like, oh, they're precision finding my wallet and oh, their precision finding my camera bag. But Apple's making a conscious choice that the potential abuse is more harmful than the potential something you already lost. And now you can at least have a, a chance of recovering it.

Leo Laporte (00:53:46):
And by the way, for $10, less than an air tag, you can get a magnetic mini car tracker, GPS, real time tracking locator with a SIM slot. So, you know, let's get real guys that's

Andy Ihnatko (00:53:56):
Well, okay. But, but, but that is very, very true. And that's probably true for someone who has a, a specific target, but the thing is a 20, a $25 for a pack of four $29 air tag or tile tracker doesn't cost like 20 to $30 a month to operate. And that's, that's gonna be a difference for people who are not simply knuckleheads, but people who are really out to make a business outta tracking people know. And yeah, it's, it is, is a funny word, but that's, I always, when it comes to term to matters security, I tell, I always demarcate the difference between the knucklehead who might grab my bike. If I don't leave it locked outside, I say, huh, look,

Speaker 7 (00:54:34):
I just got a bike. Hey, look, let's throw it over the

Andy Ihnatko (00:54:36):
Ravine. You know who didn't go, didn't leave the house intending to steal like a thousand dollars bike and the professional bike thieves who are like, okay, that's a so and so model eight it's years old, I be, I can get at least $900 for it, for this place. I'm gonna come back to tomorrow and go get it. I know that I can protect my bike against the knucklehead. I know that I can't protect my bike against the person who's actually professional air tags. The problem of air tags is just that it makes it very, very easy for knucklehead to create those kind of safety and security problems.

Leo Laporte (00:55:04):
Yeah. We think

Alex Lindsay (00:55:05):
The

Leo Laporte (00:55:05):
Security community use is the, the, the, the term threat model and different, you have different threat models. And if your threat model is a talented hacker targeting, you you're outta luck, no matter what. But

Alex Lindsay (00:55:16):
I think if you're a pro it's not a good business because of the ability for it to reverse track. Oh yeah, you wouldn't use this. And so the thing is, is that this is not, if you're a pro doing this, I, I don't think these are the right ones for you. No, this is,

Leo Laporte (00:55:26):
As Andy said for knucklehead,

Alex Lindsay (00:55:28):
Because the issue is, is that, is that once, like if, if law enforcement decides to turn the heat up on this thing, they can match you to every phone that's that was around you when you paired with the, with, with the, with the thing. So it doesn't matter whether you have a burner phone or not, it'll just go, I know all the people that were near this and I'm gonna follow them off to their friend's houses. And, you know, and, and so there's, there's a lot, that's that metadata that everyone gets so upset about us for, you know? And so, so the so just a matter of how, how, how high they want to turn it, but there's, it's, I, I don't think the air, the air tags are a good business model for professionals because it's just too, it's too easy to trace it back.

Andy Ihnatko (00:56:03):
Well, too, if I were gonna be abusing it I don't last time, it's been a while since I've signed up a, an AppleID, but you can get a stolen credit card, use that to validate yourself. You can basically give it the information that it needs in order to enable it and still give you trust for it. However, but you're right, that there, the, the ability for Appleto simply to snitch you out is way, way, way too powerful, but that's not gonna stop people who are almost who have already made the decision that stealing 20, 30, 40, $50,000 cars is a good way to, to have a long, safe, and free and freedom filled life. It's this, this is a problem that I was actually, I was on WGN radio this morning. Chicago talked about this exact same issue. And the, and the thing that you, I think that you have to keep mentioning is that this is not a problem.

Andy Ihnatko (00:56:49):
That's isolated Apple. This is a problem that is not avoidable in any kind of technology. That's similar to this. When you've got a Bluetooth tracker, the question is how hard are each of these companies willing to go, to minimize the problem and to contain it, to make it make, think that it's not a PR problem. They feel as though it's a responsibility that they have. And to me, I'm, I'm, I'm glad that Appleis doing so much work to protect people who have iPhones. It really does make you feel though, as though isn't it doesn't, isn't it nice to have an iPhone? Isn't it nice to have the security problem affect affect you by a pro by a company that's of the same company that's making your phone. If you have an Android phone, good luck to you here's Hey, our, our solution to that problem is that now we're releasing a new line of less expensive iPhones. So make it easier for you to switch from, from Android, iPhone. I I'm being a little bit facetious, of course, but it's like, again, it's, it's not a good look. And I really wish that Applewere giving Android users a much, much, much at set of tools to defend themselves against their own trackers.

Rene Ritchie (00:57:48):
Could the Samsung app work? Like I was just curious, like, if, because as far as I know, tile and Samsung are addressing this by just making blanket Bluetooth scanners, like they don't, they, they never intend like they, they never built any, they didn't prepare for anything like the pushback that they're getting Applewas like a little bit of the way there, so they can expand on that. So they've made like blanket, Bluetooth scanners. So I wonder if like at any point the OS will just built in a blanket, unknown Bluetooth device alert, and then we won't have to worry about the apps or the specific 

Leo Laporte (00:58:15):
If you've already got the hardware, that's just a software thing. Or maybe somebody could write an a,

Andy Ihnatko (00:58:19):
Well, I talked I,

Rene Ritchie (00:58:20):
Or Android. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (00:58:21):
I talked to someone about it a while ago and they said, the problem is, how do you discriminate this Bluetooth device against others? There, there are Bluetooth device IDs, but are you gonna be able to account for all of them? So you'd have to, you'd have to create specific countermeasures, specific detectors for specific devices to make them really, really effective. And, but the, I, I think there should be, it would be great if there were some sort of consortium like this, that some sort of an open API, so that if you wanted to any company wanted to build a tracker into the hardware to make it as inobtrusive to the power demands and CPU demands the device as possible, they could simply use this API and the, all these devices would also conform to that API. It looks like a good, a good, a good example of lots of companies, a good you, for example, for people to get together and create a solution so that this business can continue to move forward. Yeah. And then there, lots of

Rene Ritchie (00:59:12):
Stuff back together, lots

Leo Laporte (00:59:13):
Of stuff says is what it is. But I guess if you wanted to be surreptitious, you would buy something doesn't problem

Rene Ritchie (00:59:18):
To solve, because like you and I are on a bus Leo and we're traveling together and you've got a tag or you've got something it's following me. It's not mine, but I'm gonna be on that bus every day. Right. And if I start pressing ignore to everything, and then I am being like, a lot of this stuff is really easy to say, Appleshould, or Samsung should, or Google or, or Android or IO should, but they are very nontrivial problems to solve.

Leo Laporte (00:59:39):
You want, you wanna have of fun? I did this the other day when I was riding a bike, cuz my have a Bluetooth helmet that pairs and I was pairing it. And then inadvertently I left the Bluetooth open. Just watch all the B the broadcasting Bluetooth devices, where you go anywhere, just do it where you are right now. I see three TVs, a speaker and airplay device, a couple of N zero, some things a Ren speaker. I see two nexus cues. I see the Eve room. I don't know what the Eve, wait,

Rene Ritchie (01:00:07):
Wait, wait. Two nexus cues.

Leo Laporte (01:00:09):
Yeah. That's what says

Rene Ritchie (01:00:10):
A story

Leo Laporte (01:00:11):
There. What's what's what are the nexus cues? I don't even know. Those are

Rene Ritchie (01:00:15):
That little speaker that Google made and promptly has everybody to forget about.

Leo Laporte (01:00:19):
We have one.

Andy Ihnatko (01:00:20):
Never did it

Leo Laporte (01:00:21):
See that's the beauty. If you turn on the Bluetooth, you can find all, all sorts of stuff. No, I compare to it and start playing music out of it.

Andy Ihnatko (01:00:30):
I read stuff and I work on my iPad pro like when I'm on public transportation, when I'm on commuter rail, trains and Amtrak, and the number of times I have to say, no, I don't. I thank you for informing that there's a pair of AirPods pro nearby, but I really don't want to connect with the them. But thank you. That's that was, that was worth pulling me outta my work

Leo Laporte (01:00:45):
For, yeah. It's, it's a tough thing to solve. And maybe companies should have thought about this before they started making all these trackers. They

Rene Ritchie (01:00:55):
Should have become watchmakers. Yeah. Oh, they did. They

Leo Laporte (01:00:59):
Did. They do that too. Yeah. By the way, this is completely outta nowhere. But this morning, as I'm changing my watch band, I'm thinking, you know, Applegets so much credit for all the things they did with the Applewatch. They deserve a little bit of credit for somehow understanding that we as men have very few ways to show flare, right? Yes. We dress in a uniform. Whether, whether we, whether it's literal or, or imagine, unless

Rene Ritchie (01:01:25):
We Pierce something our

Leo Laporte (01:01:26):
Own. Yeah. So you know, sometimes doctors will wear flamboyant ties cuz they wanna show off or, or, you know, I'm wearing my mom's

Leo Laporte (01:01:34):
Striking socks, right? To give, to show some flare. But I realize Appleat some point, probably Johnny ive said, you know what men need. They need a way to show. We should make it easy to swap, watch bands. I don't have any other watches that can do this. I mean, this is incredible. You know, every other watch you, it's a tool to get that pin out and you put a, I've done it, but it's a pain in the butt to switch, watch bands. And as a result, there's a massive market in Applewatch bands of all things. God bless God bless Johnny ive. I know he lives in a white years

Rene Ritchie (01:02:08):
With us manually resizing our own links and the Applecomes out and he goes, no, no, no. Can not gonna resize your links. Like an animal. It's gonna pop em out. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:02:15):
We'll pop em, bless him. And I have a, you know, like, I don't know, I don't have a Rene Ritchiesize collection of watch bands, but I have a fairly size. Cause it's fun. Sometimes you wanna do something different it's and as I said, men don't have that many options for flare it's.

Andy Ihnatko (01:02:32):
It's it's become a, it's become a tradition to switch to the rainbow band when I during pride month. Yeah. Nice. Like it does it doesn't can go more a few days to realize that even, even when, even on the, I, I do have an Applewatch, but I also have like a Fitbit and it's like, yeah, you know what? I'm gonna buy it. I'm gonna get out the pride band for the Fitbit. Cuz Applehas trained me that this is the month where I need to have a rainbow band on my, you

Leo Laporte (01:02:52):
Can't change a band on a Fitbit. Did they do that after Applemade it easy on the watch or before maybe Appletook a cue from Fitbit.

Andy Ihnatko (01:03:00):
Ooh, I'm trying.

Rene Ritchie (01:03:02):
It must have been pebble.

Leo Laporte (01:03:03):
Yeah. I,

Andy Ihnatko (01:03:04):
I, I think pebble there, there was, there was a, there was a watch design where it was, it was still the, a traditional watch post design. However, the post, instead of the spring for the post where you squeeze it using a tool, there was actually a little sliding switch that could engage, gauge that. I, I might be wrong in thinking that that might have preceded it by a little bit. But if it, even if it did proceed, it, it was no lo no nowhere near as convenient.

Leo Laporte (01:03:29):
It wasn't the pebble where it's easy to use it. Wasn't the pebble cuz here's CNET showing you how to change the pebble watch band. And it's it involves a fairly scary tool that looks like a debt, like a dental. So I'm oh God, I'm gonna say it. Wasn't it. Wasn't the show. The show, the tool. Oh, I skipped back too far. I wanna show the tool. You know how these YouTubers, you know, these YouTubers, they go on and on and on. Here's the tool.

Rene Ritchie (01:03:54):
Oh my God.

Leo Laporte (01:03:56):
It's it looks like I have a, I think it's a dental pick. I really do. I know. Okay. Okay. If I need that, it's not easy. If I need a tool,

Rene Ritchie (01:04:04):
I have to call IFI. It's not easy.

Leo Laporte (01:04:06):
Yeah. Maybe Fitbit invented it and Applejust said, that's a good idea.

Rene Ritchie (01:04:11):
Let's play mark Newsom with a, with a, with a candlestick in the library. I

Leo Laporte (01:04:16):
Like it. So now, you know, my flare, my watch and my sock let's take, let's take a little time

Rene Ritchie (01:04:24):
Out what my last thing can I add Leo? Cause the other thing that Apple's doing is because the, the alarm, like there's a trailing sound, a chirping sound that the air tags will make. If they detect that they've been around an iPhone, that's not registered to it for a while. They're making that shriller is my, it's my way of describing it. They're gonna use a higher pitch, tone it louder. So it's harder to not hear, but also for people who are lower or have no hearing, they're gonna blurt out an alert, an alert as well. So that if you have an iPhone or you're running the Google tracker app it'll pop up visibly to you as well in case it's too far away or you just, you can't hear it.

Alex Lindsay (01:04:56):
I think the biggest problem I have is that I just get so many alerts now that I don't know which right. As mentioned before I, I get, so any that say your, your AirPods are not with you. I'm like they're in my pocket. Like I open 'em up, they're in my pocket and there's so many false alarms that I just don't know what to pay attention to. I think that's the problem I have. I

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Leo Laporte (01:06:57):
Here's a nursing student from Sydney. You might have seen this who had a thyroid problem and had a lot of bad symptoms. Sh she, if had she not disabled the alerts on her Applewatch, she might have noticed back three months earlier because her VO two max had been slipping. And and the watch knew the watch knew now the disease she has, which is thyroid. He Genesises only affects about you know, a small number of people, but she looked up the Applewatches history and found it recorded at her dramatic change in her health. If she had known it, I genuinely just went on to see if everything was turned on. I saw that there were alerts at the top of the app that had never come through because I didn't have notifications turned on and looked. And when I could see the trend that my VO two max had dropped literally in a matter of days. So she's now waiting treatment in for her condition, but she wanted everyone to know. You might want to check your health readings every once in a while, if you've got notifications turned off interesting story that I think the more and more we're gonna see, stuff like that, that the watch is really very useful.

Alex Lindsay (01:08:17):
I think that I, I still think that over time, the other thing that's gonna happen as we start to tie these things together is that the watch is gonna start seeing behaviors that we haven't seen before, because it's measuring it, you know, anonymized across millions of people that it's gonna start seeing things that, you know, when your heart starts to do this months later, you're gonna die. You know, like, you know, like it's, you know, like, like it's, you know, like, but I mean eventually no, maybe not six months, you know, whatever it is. It like sees something that it, you can't see unless you're just measuring people all the time. You know? So that's the whole thing is that it's gonna change the way we do. I mean, I think that Tim cook is right, that it's gonna change the way we think about health and medicine. A lot of other things because of the way has it's, it's persistent, you know, and it's on our wrist all the time and it's gonna see be, you know, data that can be correlated over time, back to you know, health risks.

Leo Laporte (01:09:06):
Well, wait a minute. My VO two max has been below average for a year. I've been

Alex Lindsay (01:09:12):
Deep even see that

Leo Laporte (01:09:13):
Deep trouble. It's a, you know, go to health, go to your health app. The health app has all that stuff. It's very valuable. As at a below average fitness level, you may find it hard to do some things. Wait a minute, you son of a gun. No, I think that everybody should, this nurse put is well taken, should check the health app. And there's lots of metrics in there. I turn everything on everything I've got should record the health blood pressure meters my scale, my sleep trackers my food intake as I use noo and that goes into health. So all of that stuff goes into health. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:09:57):
It's, it's particularly valuable for people who live alone that you, if you have a spouse, if you have people living with you that can notice that yeah, you've been in bed a lot lately, or, you know what? You stumbled a lot more than I'm used to, or your speech is a little bit slower that I'm used to hearing. That's the sort of thing that makes you that makes you think makes things up and makes you think about when was the last time you had a full checkup. But a fitness device can even if, whether passively or actively make you think that yeah. You know what, my, I, even if you're not, even if you're not exercising for fitness goals, just reminding you that it has been two or three days since you've done more than 500 steps, which means that you've been working inside out the house all day, every day for three days, you need to get some, you need to get some sunlight. You need to get some vitamin D. Yeah, I think that's one of the other benefits that we're we're to see from all these fitness devices.

Leo Laporte (01:10:47):
Here's one, by the way, the other thing to look at do look at your health app and look at things that you haven't turned on. I, I have not turned on the walking steadiness notifications and you might say, well, I'm not gonna worry about that. But nevertheless, I mean, what does it cost you to turn it on? It says, iPhone can measure your steadiness while walking a strong indicator of your risk of falling. And we know risk that the risk of falling is a big issue. And, and as you age if you're walking, steadiness reaches a low or very low level, iPhone can send you a notification and exercises that improve strength and balance might help. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna turn that on. That's good. There's okay. Low and very low turn on notifications. You bet. Good. And I'm adding my walking steadiness it's okay. By the way, I guess it's been tracking it and I didn't even know. It says my steadiness has been okay.

Andy Ihnatko (01:11:46):
We know we notice a glide to your stride in your step.

Leo Laporte (01:11:50):
Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:11:51):
You've CLO you've CLO cross your, Hey daddy, cry, daddy ring. Oh, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:11:55):
For some reason back in September, it was really low. See that, that one outlier there. So that was that that I should be paying attention to. That was very low. Maybe I fell that day. I don't know, but it's yeah. See, it's been low. Okay. But there was just this one little low. No, what that's all about maybe an error, right. Iphone six plus is now a vintage product. Can we moment of silence for the six plus? Was that the first, really big iPhone? The six plus,

Rene Ritchie (01:12:30):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:12:31):
Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (01:12:32):
That's also when the hipsters get really to Leo, the vintage, I mean, it's just like with

Leo Laporte (01:12:36):
The goes with your hat. Yeah. Your stats headbands. That's it's swag.

Rene Ritchie (01:12:41):
Leo. You've gotta embrace it. Well,

Andy Ihnatko (01:12:42):
The, the thing is you get a, there's a certain warmth to the pictures that you get with a camera when you've got one of those tube based camera imagers.

Leo Laporte (01:12:50):
There is a new hip Matic, by the way. I really love that. Does old timey photos, just like, you know, Derra types. It's so cool. The iPhone six plus first released September, 2014, discontinued September, 2016. Weirdly the six is not on the vintage list because it was for sale for longer, but good for Apple. I mean, that's an eight year old phone that just now is going the vintage list. First devices to offer support for Appleplay. The first year the iPhone offered was offered in multiple size options.

Rene Ritchie (01:13:28):
Yeah. Same event. The Applewatch was was announced.

Leo Laporte (01:13:31):
Oh really? Okay. Yeah. So the, you get on the vintage list by if you have, if a product is not been sold for more than five years and less than seven years, Appleprovides service and parts for vintage devices for up to seven years or as required by law bus, repairs are subject to parts availability. So software updates ended back at 2019 with iOS 13. By now we're, we're talking, we're moving into that obsolete zone. There's vintage. And then there's obsolete that

Rene Ritchie (01:14:02):
Old junk drawer in the sky.

Leo Laporte (01:14:03):
Yep. I'm vintage, but I'm not yet obsolete. I believe I would be my, till I, till to my frailty indicator goes through the roof. Are you interested in Steve Jobs's memorabilia? Some of it's a little weird. Some of it's, some of it feels a little Snoopy. This is from our, it's not his license plate. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That there was none. If you, if anybody offers you a Steve job's license plate, just, just walk away. R R auction.com. Oh, all sorts of fun stuff here. All here's a bunch of Doug Engelbart stuff. Van AAR bushes, as we may think in the Atlantic here is a P home edition prototype from Alan Alcorn. Wow. Wow. Now, now they, it got me, I guess. Let me, here's the Steve jobs stuff. The Steve jobs. Oh, it's part of a whole category. The Steve jobs, revolution, Engelbart, Atari, and Appleall in one. Let me find the Steve jobs lot. That's there's 18 items in the Steve jobs lot. Alan Al's Apple, two computer Steve jobs assigned 1971 high school yearbook. Steve wrote, when this, you see, remember me? Little else? I can say, remember me as you may Steve jobs.

Leo Laporte (01:15:26):
Okay. currently, even then he was a Maverick, even then, did you see this in super bowl ad making fun of the here's to the crazy ones? Have you seen that? It's called we don't get American super bowl ad. Oh, wait a minute. Okay. Here, it's called here's to the lazy ones. Only. There was a YouTube and it's I'll find it for you. It's from a company called Cutwater spirits. I'll just play. I could play a little bit of an ad who would take it down for

Alex Lindsay (01:15:52):
We've noticed. We've actually noticed that none of the super bowl ads are getting pulled down from the, yeah. Everyone is making the top 10 of this and top 10 of that here. This is I'm sure they're all gonna,

Leo Laporte (01:16:01):
This is the tribute to the here's to the crazy ones.

Speaker 9 (01:16:04):
Here's to the lazy ones, the renegades, the outliers, the unsung geniuses, the ones who live life differently, working smarter, not harder. You can make fun of them or ignore them. But the one thing you can't do is disagree with them Because they reach better results with less effort.

Leo Laporte (01:16:35):
It's pretty funny. Isn't it?

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
Human racing, new

Leo Laporte (01:16:38):
Ways. You gotta see the video cuz they're doing all these lazy things.

Speaker 9 (01:16:41):
And while some may see them as the lazy ones, we see pioneers Because the ones who make the most of their time Are the ones More ahead of it. Cut water bar quality cocktails in the, can

Leo Laporte (01:17:03):
You get safe for the, you sure they cook. Got you get cocktails in a can. Why would you make a cocktail when you could be lazy? I think that's brilliant. And yeah, I don't, I don't know. I is, it's a, it's not, I guess it's parody, right? I don't think Apple, the only thing they could have done better if they'd gotten Richard Drey to, to, to voice it, then that would've really a plus. If they just done that I'm

Rene Ritchie (01:17:25):
Drey.

Leo Laporte (01:17:25):
I was in jaws. Here's a photos of Steve job, candid photos as a college freshman. Of course with a big watermark. I don't know if I'd spend money on that minimum bid 200 bucks though, you know, he could have these Applecomputer check signed by wa and jobs for 3,400, $3 to cure electronic. I think this was to buy parts from the Applecomputing cup computing company.

Alex Lindsay (01:17:55):
I always think, I think about this in relationship to NFTs when people say, well, how can you have given NFT a bunch of money? Well, this is a piece of paper that we're trying to sell for $30,000.

Leo Laporte (01:18:02):
Yeah. With an NFT, you, by the way, have the, the knowledge that this is the Providence is genuine. I guess clearly able,

Rene Ritchie (01:18:09):
This has a only video today on, on why like art is valuable because Sotheby says art is valuable because of the certificate and NFT say the board a is valuable because of the blockchain.

Leo Laporte (01:18:18):
Yeah. And I, I'm not a big NFT fan and it incidentally, one of the houses had to shut down because of the counterfeits. So there goes your Providence, whole thing. Here's Steve jobs, Atari application, by the way, this one includes an NFT. So you get both and that's why it's $20,000. Here's a, here's a Steve jobs, business card, vice president of operations from 1978. Here's another business card from 1983 chairman board of directors, a 30th birthday celebration table card. Somebody's really saved a lot of crap for the first 30 years of life. You make your habits for the last 30 years of life. Your habits make you you've helped me acquire my habits. Good and bad. Thank you for joining me tonight, tonight to celebrate 30 more years of living with them. And there's his bow tie as the, the trademark. That's kind of cool.

Andy Ihnatko (01:19:14):
That's the, that's the universal law. If you, if you save crap long enough, it becomes culture and then becomes collectable and becomes currency.

Leo Laporte (01:19:21):
Yeah. Save it by the way. This auction names want that as a kid ma yeah. She threw it all out. All you baseball cards, she threw 'em at 

Rene Ritchie (01:19:29):
Oh, she, when I said, mom, come on this treasure, she's like clean up your room.

Leo Laporte (01:19:32):
Treasure. It's kinda

Alex Lindsay (01:19:33):
Interesting that he, that he said that he said for the next 30 years, like for the first 30 years, this is the next 30 years you, you, you have. And he said, and didn't, he normally you would say, wow, that's really depressing that you'd say you are only gonna live another 30 years, but he didn't, he didn't didn't live another 30.

Leo Laporte (01:19:47):
He didn't get the whole six. Yeah. He also stopped wearing bow ties. So

Andy Ihnatko (01:19:51):
Exactly. I was gonna say that was the, that was, that was the one narrow slice of history in which you can icon Steve jobs with the bow tie.

Leo Laporte (01:19:59):
Yeah, yeah. Now, then it became the turtleneck, cuz there's too much trouble to sign bow ties. There you go. You know, I think we get the benefit of this just by browsing the catalog. That's all I, yeah,

Alex Lindsay (01:20:10):
Exactly. Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:20:11):
Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:20:11):
Yeah. My, my thing was less about Providence with NFTs. More of the absurdity of collectibles.

Leo Laporte (01:20:16):
Yeah. In general, just like, I'm just, yeah, you'd have to be a big fan. I mean, what, you know, oh good. I, I have, I have Steve jobs, 1971 high school yearbook. What am I gonna do with it? I don't even want my school yearbook. Right. So yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:20:29):
Well see this is, this is gonna become more significant in like 50 years, a hundred years. Cuz there, there are people that think of every violinist who has like a, an autograph, whatever by Yaha Heitz and their violin case. It's like the, when you have something in your possession that you know, is, was held in their hands of somebody that you admire and look up to and is a model for a lot of your, your life decisions. That's some powerful, powerful mojo. And so that's, I, I, I cannot imagine something that is as trivial as a numeric key pad for for Mac one 20 Mac five 12 becoming that kind of a touchstone for anything but there's this, but there's some stuff that people are gonna kind of enjoy having in about a hundred years from now. Bob, Bob Marley, Bob Marley's special edition iPod classic again, thousand bucks.

Andy Ihnatko (01:21:19):
Someone has already bid for it. Okay. If you enjoy it. Great. Yeah, no I have I'll I'm sorry. I'll just, I'll just close off by saying that I have like within reach right now I have a set of TWiTggy drives pulled from from an original Lisa that I intend to. It's one of the, it's one of the happiest things I own. I will probably have it until I die and no one will want it after I go. But it's like whenever I look at it, I think about engineering. I think about hubris. I think about law lawsuits. I think about so much that's involved in computer history. And so this is why you can't, you can't

Leo Laporte (01:21:55):
People

Andy Ihnatko (01:21:55):
Will have a, will find their own relationship to physical, tangible objects that other people won't be able to understand.

Leo Laporte (01:22:01):
Here's a letter actually the Providence of this, one's kind of interesting. This is a letter Steve wrote to a kid it's being sold by Mark Miller. Who's a former executive vice president and general manager of Hearst magazines. He says that in 1982, I was at a charity dinner three years after I purchased the first Appletwo computer to use at Hearst magazines. I met and sat with a young fellow named Steve jobs. We talked about how his company's computer with a Hercules board boosting memory allowed me to ultimately reshape and opt to my, my analytical approach to the future. At, at, at that dinner I asked Steve to write a message to my son, Brian, about what he might expect in the future. He said, sure, pulled out a scrap of paper from his pocket started to write this note. He asked what his name was.

Leo Laporte (01:22:44):
I said, Brian, and he's six years old. He immediately switched from script to printing. So Brian could read his note better in its simplicity. Steve was envisioning email in a very different future than that of the early 1980s. It is kind of cool. He switched from handwriting to block printing. That's pretty cool Steve jobs. And that the, the note reads when I was six years old, we didn't have computers. You're lucky. Keep learning about computers and how they're gonna help us communicate with each other. You are our future Steve jobs. That's a current bid, $10,000

Andy Ihnatko (01:23:20):
PS don't hire John Scully to do anything. He will screw you over and keep you the thing you love yourself

Leo Laporte (01:23:26):
That wasn't to happen for another seven years. So he doesn't know that yet. He doesn't know it yet. Anyway, that's at RR auctions or auction singular.com Appleleads the headphone market in case you're curious, are you surprised by if

Alex Lindsay (01:23:48):
You count beats it's over 50% of the market? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:23:52):
So this is from STTA based on a multi pick survey of 4,220 us headphone users conducted in four ways between January and December, 2021. Yeah, Apple's 34%, but beats is 15% put those two together. You got half the market baby then BOS, Samsung JBL, Sony skull county, and LG, but 50% of the market goes to to Apple.

Alex Lindsay (01:24:19):
It's really an incredible number. It

Leo Laporte (01:24:21):
ISS. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. And, and a market that Apple, you know, got into kind of almost, it feels like as an afterthought, I don't think it was out of courage. They took courage, took taking the he phone Jack out. It was

Rene Ritchie (01:24:33):
Fueled on courage

Leo Laporte (01:24:34):
By the way. Number four, Samsung who also took the headphones Jack out of their phones, all, all in order to sell Bluetooth. But they bury

Rene Ritchie (01:24:42):
All those headphones, jacks and the wilderness with Atari cartridges. What happened? All those headphones,

Alex Lindsay (01:24:46):
Still phone. I still have headphones. Well, I have headphones. I still have he phone adapters

Leo Laporte (01:24:50):
From my no, just bought because I'm getting the Samsung galaxy 22 ultra and I realized, oh, I need an adapter for my headphones and the

Rene Ritchie (01:24:59):
Stylist, but not a Jack.

Leo Laporte (01:25:01):
Yeah, isn't that? Isn't that wild.

Alex Lindsay (01:25:03):
All my headphones now have the little adapter on the end of them. Cause I, I try to keep around, kept on losing them. I was like, no, I put 'em on the end of all of 'em. And then

Leo Laporte (01:25:10):
I did a little research actually. And I found actually this, this should work. I don't know if it'll work with the Applephone and the AppleJack will work with the Samsung. I'm told you need a deck in it. It turns out but this is from a company called JS a U X and I saw a recommendation for this and I think it's a good, this one allows you to plug in headphones and power it. So that's pretty cool. Chris is type C obviously it's not a lightning adapter, but I, yeah. Oh, the price went up since I bought it, by the way, must have set something off. I bought a couple of them cuz I figured, you know, this a good thing to have lying around the house and, and I can use it with my iPad too, which doesn't have a he phone Jack either

Rene Ritchie (01:25:55):
That iPhone six plus had a vintage, he phone Jack Leo

Leo Laporte (01:25:59):
That iPhone six plus had a vintage, he phone Jack you're right. Was, you know, what was the last iPhone that had the headphones jacket, iPhone

Rene Ritchie (01:26:06):
Success,

Leo Laporte (01:26:07):
Success plus

Rene Ritchie (01:26:08):
X and and the S original E

Andy Ihnatko (01:26:11):
And, and, and Renee that's that goes to your point about like hipsters, like wanting the vintage stuff. Like, because you you'll want that, that warm sound of that analog audio output.

Rene Ritchie (01:26:21):
Well, it's gotta plug into your turntable

Leo Laporte (01:26:24):
Guys. You guys alright. Anything else that we have neglected to mention? There's a

Rene Ritchie (01:26:35):
Weird rumor today, Leo, that I don't know. I don't know how much stock to put into it because it's such an outlier. Yeah. That there, we will be getting an M two MacBook pro at the event, but it's gonna be in the same enclosure with the, with the touch bar and everything. And that, that would just, I don't know how I would mentally parse that if that happened.

Leo Laporte (01:26:51):
Yeah. I I'm gonna call BS on that one. Hope that makes no sense at all. How, but it has been a, has it been a year? When did they announce the first M ones? Was it spring of last year?

Rene Ritchie (01:27:04):
November of 2020,

Leo Laporte (01:27:05):
November, 2020. So has been, it has been a year for the thirteenths more than a year. Yep. Interesting here

Rene Ritchie (01:27:12):
It gets that sax redesign and this doesn't even get the new MacBook pro enclosure. I'm just gonna feel that you feel really

Leo Laporte (01:27:16):
Sad for this was published by Mac rumors, but I'm gonna call BS cuz not only does it have the same design as a 13 inch MacBook pro it has the touch bar. Yes.

Rene Ritchie (01:27:26):
Why doom developers to another year of touch bar support? There's

Leo Laporte (01:27:29):
No way cruel. If they do this, I'm just, that's a head scratcher that makes no sense.

Alex Lindsay (01:27:34):
I just I'd be okay with the touch bar. As long as I can turn it off. Like I just, the number one thing it does is I'm hit the wrong. I just hit it by accident. Yeah. All the time. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:27:44):
This lines up though, according to Mac rumors with a digitized report from last week saying Applewill launch its first MacBook pro with an M two at its spring event. So, but I just they've. I mean the old design,

Rene Ritchie (01:27:57):
The least exciting M two possible for them to launch.

Alex Lindsay (01:28:00):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:28:02):
I just strategically seems to counter are intuitive, which

Rene Ritchie (01:28:05):
Is why they're gonna do it. Like I just,

Leo Laporte (01:28:07):
Just right now, even, yeah,

Rene Ritchie (01:28:09):
It makes no sense then. Of course they're doing it.

Leo Laporte (01:28:11):
No, you know, you're just, I know what you're doing, Renee. You're just hedging your bets in case, you know,

Alex Lindsay (01:28:17):
You know, its funny, they do. We were, we were talking about this earlier on office hours or after hours. I don't remember which, but, but we were talking about the fact that trust, you know, like fact that Applecould Apple, we have different levels of trust with different products that Appleputs out. Like if Apples said September one, we're releasing three phones. We won't tell anything about them, but they're small, medium, large. And if you wanna order it right now, you'll be in the front of the line. They'd sell 20, 30 million. You know of 'em right there. Like without sight unsee, cuz we just know the phone, it be better than it was. Was the last time. If they did that with a, with a MacBook, I'd be like, mm, I think I need to see it. Yeah. You know like, like I was like, I don't, I don't think I'll buy it right out there. I need to see what they're gonna do with it. Cuz I just don't have the same. I, I felt like we spent like three or four years in unhappiness.

Leo Laporte (01:29:00):
Okay. You hipsters line up cuz look what I got an iPhone six S and it's got a courage Jack built right in nice. Even a finger reader, a freedom Jack. And look, they still have the plastic line in the back for the antennas because it's a metal

Rene Ritchie (01:29:18):
Mechanical Leo. That's the out a virtual home button. That's a mechanical home

Leo Laporte (01:29:22):
Button. Oh, it feels good when you press it. It that's

Rene Ritchie (01:29:25):
The click of

Leo Laporte (01:29:25):
Freedom. It's vibrates. It's the freedom clicker freedom. The freedom. It's the clicker, the freedom phone.

Rene Ritchie (01:29:31):
That's the freedom Jack. The freedom

Leo Laporte (01:29:32):
Clicker. It's John's backup phone it by the way, John I'm impressed. It's in perfect condition. Oh, is that

Rene Ritchie (01:29:38):
His burner?

Leo Laporte (01:29:38):
If anybody wants this. Yeah. This is the phone he uses when he puts air tags in my car. If anybody, if anybody wants this, John, what would you sell it for? No, no price at all. No.

Rene Ritchie (01:29:50):
Can you buy an NFT of it?

Leo Laporte (01:29:51):
A he Jack a headphone check. It's got a headphone Jack and it has, I'm freezing McGee on the front. So, you know, that makes it even more valuable. Look at that. I'm gonna put it back in the case. That's how you've kept it so pristine. Isn't it beautiful. A vintage iPhone six S plus no six plus six S plus six S plus perfect condition am mere $8,902. How about it? Anybody takers yet, yet? You know, I have to say though it, it, and, and for its time, it must have been seen as huge because it's very close. It's not that small. Even put next to a 12 pro max. It's big. Yeah, that was, it was a big phone.

Rene Ritchie (01:30:39):
Remember they walked around with different pieces of, of design and where to see what the right sizes were. They had all these different everything at every quarter inch and they just walked around. This feels right. This feels proper. This is inevitable.

Leo Laporte (01:30:52):
It just, it must be it big bezels though. Big bezels, you know big

Rene Ritchie (01:30:58):
Forehead and beer.

Leo Laporte (01:30:58):
I think, I think as I remember be made us foam core replicas because we had heard we saw the size, but we couldn't, it was baffling. So we had foam core replicas just to get an idea of what it might be like to hold it. Do we still have those foam core replicas cuz when I pass away, that should be in my auction. I'll autograph 'em now. All right. We're too. Take a little time out

Rene Ritchie (01:31:24):
Photo, but don't sign it that way. People don't

Leo Laporte (01:31:26):
Know. I did. I did say I was gonna ask about the reality OS. It's probably not that much to say it's the OS for the glasses. Right. But we're starting to see more and more

Rene Ritchie (01:31:35):
The headset,

Leo Laporte (01:31:36):
The headset, we're starting to see more and more lines in operating system quote and things like that.

Andy Ihnatko (01:31:43):
Yeah. And in, in, in developer tools and this is basically a repeat of something that I actually going back to mark Iman I think first reported in 2017 that there's, that there's something called ROS that's in play. As, as Applecontinues to hire more people into virtual reality and develop their own virtual reality classes. But this is the first time that we've seen it recently and that's may or may or may not be a sign that they still intend to create to release something this year or next. But it is interesting that it would appear in, in developer tools for people who are, excuse me. And I'm sorry. So on, on a GitHub library created by Apple. So it exists. It's a thing. So if you want, if you want to, if you want to get a, get a, get a jump on your tattoo reality OS is probably going to be a, a valid thing in the next years.

Leo Laporte (01:32:29):
Look at this. Burke has Burke apparently saves everything. This is the Iberg six and Iberg six plus with a little, little dot where the home button should be. And it's an exact foam core replica of the iPhone explode. Those should be bagged and bagged and authenticated Leo. Yeah. Burke, will you sign these and we can have 'em at your auction. How about that? That's pretty cool. Isn't it? That's really cool. Apple's reality. OS has surfaced in GitHub commits. Okay. But also an Applestore logs, which sounds to me like there's an actual device out there identifying itself. Yes. If you see it in the logs gotta be, they gotta be tested something's test. Something's being tested,

Alex Lindsay (01:33:12):
But that doesn't, I mean, that could be a prototype for years.

Leo Laporte (01:33:15):
Rens ver Hoen tweets. What is Apple's reality OS doing in the app store? Upload logs. AR VR confirmed question mark. So, and here's the picture?

Alex Lindsay (01:33:27):
I don't think we have any doubt that there's an AR device coming. I think it's just a matter of when

Leo Laporte (01:33:32):
Com.Appledot platform dot reality. OS yeah. No information. They'll look at architecture blank, product type blank support level unsupported, compiled code required. Yeah. Interesting though. That's interesting. So yeah, we're getting maybe getting close. I don't know. I don't know. I hope so. I need something Leo. Yeah. if target two years, here's here's some source code. This is interesting too, from a GitHub Appleforce pushed the repo to hide this, but someone had grabbed the commit hash already. So you can see it here. It is. If target underscore feature underscore reality OS and then it says, allow iOS executables to use reality. OS dynamic libraries allow iOS SIM executables to use reality OS SIM dynamic libraries. So an Apple, you know, Apple, of course the best thing Applecould have done is, is ignore it. But instead Appleimmediately deleted it, which tells you woo. Yeah. If, if you, I see this all the time, when people on you're on TV and somebody accidentally walks into the shot and instead of just keeping walking, they go who and they duck and they scurry out. It's like, you're just calling attention to it. Just

Rene Ritchie (01:35:06):
Keep walking. You're making it worse.

Leo Laporte (01:35:07):
Just keep walking Apple.

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:09):
Yep. That's why my, my, our, our advice to like all those people in third and fourth grade, you know, it's, it's, you're gonna accidentally call your teacher mommy at some point, just pretend like it never happened. And then when someone says, you just call me, say Mrs. Belimo I'm I'm sorry, what did you hear me

Leo Laporte (01:35:24):
Say? Exactly. Just

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:25):
Again, just keep,

Leo Laporte (01:35:26):
Just

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:26):
Deny it, keep it keel. People will deny their own senses. If you simply stick to your guns, just

Leo Laporte (01:35:31):
Deny it. Deny, deny, deny. All right. Get ready. It's time for the picks of the week coming up next as MacBreak Weekly continues. I think I'll start with Renee this week for our picks of the week Renee.

Rene Ritchie (01:35:48):
Okay. So this was something there's a, there's a TV show on Netflix and it's not the newest show, but it's, it's something that surprised me. It's called arcane. And I didn't originally only watch it because it's, it's based on league of legends and I have never played league of legends and it just, it, it didn't rock with me. But then mutual friend of the show, Georgia do started making videos, explaining it. And I watched the videos. I'm like, I think I would actually really enjoy this. And so after I'd watched a couple of the videos, I went back and watched it. And for people who worry about some stuff, it's not like it's not like Canon to league of legends, but it uses a lot of the characters and a lot of the sets and a lot of the, just the general mythos of the, of the game. But it is what, what attracted me it is, is just so beautifully done. It's not computer animated in an era where even Disney, I it's just like, they're making fun in the latest Chippendales trailer about how their characters all got these CGI upgrades over the years, this is beautiful. It it's gorgeous and done by a French animation company.

Leo Laporte (01:36:49):
It's really gorgeous. Like

Rene Ritchie (01:36:50):
They do use models as references, but they don't even use motion capture. Like they don't even use expression capture, which is pandemic in the industry right now. These are like, you could freeze on any frame of this and it is gorgeous. Like even, I will say even like beyond like the spider verse style of gorgeousness, because it is, it is hand painted to a large extent, it's framed by frame animated. Like it's still being key framed. And it has this luxurious pallet of characters. I ensemble dramas we're aware of, but a lot of times it's like Heman, you know, it's like one character and then a few like really two dimensional, but it has such an amazing depth to it. You have like the villains are all heroes of their own stories. They have characters who are trying to raise, you know, other characters in their own image or desperate to avoid them being raised in their own image.

Rene Ritchie (01:37:41):
You have all these different relationships torn apart and slammed back together. And I was, I don't wanna say shocked because that would be unfair to the rest of all of the Netflix and streaming shows that we've gotten recently. But I was just amazed at like a video game company, did what I would call like some of the best pure art in a, in a show that I've seen in a really long time, really, really well acted like the, the, everything, the facial expressions, the action, the drama, I was blown away by this series. And I, and I'm really happy that George introduced me to it because it was something I just totally dismissed when I first saw it being offered to me in Netflix over and over

Leo Laporte (01:38:21):
Again from the creators of league of legends. Yeah. Comes a new legend is gorgeous. Yeah. It's pretty cool. It reminds me of that magazine. What was that magazine with Mobius and all the others I was talking about. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking about that the other day and much I missed it. Heavy metal, heavy metal. Yeah, it has that really? It don't, it looks like a heavy metal a come to life. It's really beautiful. I'm not a fan of animated action stuff, but I'll watch it just cuz of you on Netflix. Arcane is the name Andy ACO pick the week.

Andy Ihnatko (01:38:55):
Mine is a kind of an old favorite, but it came up like in a couple questions on TWiTtter this week. And also we're kind of talking about this before the show about about, about stuff. One of my favorite apps of all time, Downey by Charlie Monroe and it's an app that will just simply capture, capture, video capture, audio, capture pictures, anything that is like a piece of media that you see on a website that you want to have in your library forever or for closer examination, you just get the, grab the URL from your web browser, pacing it to Downey. It will find the actual source media file and download it to your downloader, to your desktop. And it just, you, you think that you see a lot of, or, oh, this is a YouTube downloader.

Andy Ihnatko (01:39:38):
Okay. That, and that's, that's, that's easy to find and you can get those apps for free. This app supports dozens, I'm sorry, 874 different sites that, that host content. So like if you're watching an instructional video fr from somewhere and the player that's embedded, just absolutely stinks. And won't you won't let you, I, I really need to see really, really closely what this person is doing with their hands and whether the, whether the needle that they're sewing. Is it going through the stitch or behind the stitch? At some point you give up, I give up, get Downy, download it and just use a much better video player in order to get at it. It's it just, and if for the sites that it does, it's not designed to work with, there's also a guided extraction so that you can basically opens a Firefox compatible browser window.

Andy Ihnatko (01:40:26):
And then it will just simply in a little a little pain of that window. It'll show you all the media sources that are coming through that through that window. And then you can say, well, click on one of them and tell it to please try to capture this. I use lot for like live live arts presentations, like live operas, live theater, where it would be a shame to sometimes it's just such a beautiful thing that I just really, really just want to have it in my library and be able to watch it a few more times. The only thing it can, I don't think it will do anything really, really super shady. Like it won't let you, it won't steal stuff from Netflix. Won't steal stuff. That's a password protected, not nothing that stuff, but stuff that is designed to be free stuff where the content provider has done nothing to protect the content. And under the terms of the web is just simply a URL that anybody can grab stuff from it'll work just fine with not, not, it's not that expensive. And they, he keeps updating it and updating it and updating it. And it's just a solid, solid piece of software, highest recommendations. You, you will wind up using this and thanking yourself for having this thing installed.

Leo Laporte (01:41:27):
I need it because now you know, that I think about it. There's a lot of videos they see. I wish I could just save them. That's what I use too. Yeah, love it. Downey. O w N I E

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:37):
It takes a few hours. I'm sorry. I, I talked over you, Charlie, win Monroe do net. Yeah. It's it's for instance, like Apple they will put the keynote like on YouTube or on another channels eventually, but I, I need it right now. I, I need, I need to get a look at that screen, grab up of all the details that they flash by in eight seconds. And yes, I've, without any apologies whatsoever, I will use down Downing to download that thing. And so I can actually save my poor fingers by having to type furiously typing notes as this thing is happening. Anyway. Nice, great

Leo Laporte (01:42:06):
Stuff. Very nice. Alex Lindsay pick the week

Alex Lindsay (01:42:12):
With Andy's it's I use it as well. I use it prompt at least once a week,

Leo Laporte (01:42:14):
And I think you were recommended arcane at some point too. So

Alex Lindsay (01:42:17):
I think I recommended the last two At

Leo Laporte (01:42:20):
Some point. Yeah. So you know, you're two for two. That's good.

Alex Lindsay (01:42:23):
We're. Yeah, but the trends, the funny thing about the way Downey works is that, is that the, you know, a lot of this is just with unencrypted HLS, basically what it does. It sends you a segment of, of data, whether it's live or post, and then your player normally just throws it away and Downing just doesn't do that down. Just keeps just keep on taking it I'll

Leo Laporte (01:42:42):
Together. So it'll work with HLS especially, well, right. I mean, that's

Alex Lindsay (01:42:45):
Anything that's HLS, which is like 90% of the web delivery is, is HLS. And so if it's unencrypted, so a Netflix or an AppleTV might not be, but, but if it's just like YouTube, I pull stuff off of YouTube while the time, like I just go, I just drag drag, drag, drag, drag drag, and it'll, it'll look for, it'll find all of the it'll find all of the trans all the SRTs as well. So all of your translation tracks is, do you want English or do you want Spanish? Or, you know, so it'll grab all of that as well. So anyway, it's useful. My, my pick is is a, is an app for the iPhone called shoot. And it came up in office hours. Of course, I'm not sure exactly who recommended it first, but we started talking about it and then the developer of course, started responding to us and and, and talking to us about it. And what it does if I cut to it here is it's, it's another app like you know, SIM similar to film, like pro that it will you know, here's just a, a live feed. Ooh, that's

Leo Laporte (01:43:35):
Good. Look shot.

Alex Lindsay (01:43:37):
Yeah. It's a great, great looking shot. And it's live feed from the camera. That's from

Leo Laporte (01:43:41):
My

Alex Lindsay (01:43:41):
Iphone. Wow. Yeah, but what's cool is if I tap it with both fingers, it freezes. So now I'm moving my camera, but you don't. So if I want to talk about something, oh, oh,

Leo Laporte (01:43:49):
I love

Alex Lindsay (01:43:50):
That. I tap it again and you'll see it kind of go back to live. So now it's back to live, but even better if I want to talk about something, I can tap it with two fingers and now I can circle it. So it's got a little tele teleprompter. Oh. And then double tap and it disappears and I can do something else and I double tap it and disappears. And then I tap it with two fingers and it's back to live and I can even draw over it while it's live too. I want draw on something that I'm looking at. And so for the kind of stuff that we're doing, when we're talking about things, it's pretty, pretty awesome. And it's, I don't, I can't remember how much it is. Very little

Leo Laporte (01:44:22):
Five, five

Andy Ihnatko (01:44:23):
Bucks.

Leo Laporte (01:44:23):
Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:44:23):
Worth every penny, you know, and great little app. And I would highly, you know, highly recommend it, especially if you ever like, do something where you're gonna, I'm sending this HT I out of my, you know, out to my switcher, but it's just such a great thing cuz now your phone is a tele illustrator on anything you want to talk about if you're teaching or so cool. Talking about a subject. And so it's just a, they really solved that really. And it was funny cause I was like, be really good if I could freeze it. And then someone pointed out, they're like, yeah, just tap it with two. And then it just froze. And then, and then I can sit there and circle things and talk about this and talk about that. And then I can double tap and then use two fingers. And so once you get used to it, it's a really great way to, to show stuff. So anyway, that's it. It's my pick.

Leo Laporte (01:45:05):
So there are three ways shoot, connect to your computer. If you've got a Mac, it'll do a USB connection.

Alex Lindsay (01:45:10):
Yeah. So you don't need the HT. My, so you can use it as a web camera with the Mac. So you can just go your, your, your regular us.

Leo Laporte (01:45:18):
So you need the camera connection kit somehow or no,

Alex Lindsay (01:45:23):
You can literally just do a type C you, you can just put it in there and it'll just act like a web camera and then you have those and it's clean feet out, super useful.

Andy Ihnatko (01:45:33):
I was looking, I was looking at the user comments and I check me on this. The user comments were saying that you can even use things like like blurring the background based on the, based on the camera feature things like cinematic mode based on the iOS feature. Is that true?

Alex Lindsay (01:45:49):
I don't know. I, I, I haven't gone that far. I, I got into it like a week ago and I, I just been, this is amazing.

Leo Laporte (01:45:54):
I just bought it. I

Alex Lindsay (01:45:54):
Gotta pick, I gotta pick, I gotta pick. I was like, like, yes, last week I was like, you gotta

Leo Laporte (01:45:57):
Pick a little hint though, turn off notifications while you're using it. Cuz it doesn't block those. That could be embarrassing.

Leo Laporte (01:46:06):
We shoot. Now you guys search for shoot pro webcam. I feel to really find it. Shoot pro webcam for Mac and PCs, iOS app for iPad, iPhone and Applewatch. Apparently I'm not sure how that works. And it can also, you work with E camera or OBS or zoom or anything else that will understand a USB camera. So, yep.

Alex Lindsay (01:46:30):
Yep. So it just shows all

Leo Laporte (01:46:31):
The cam it would. That's cool. So this E cam does that to, but with but on the, on the Mac side, this is, this is on your on your phone,

Alex Lindsay (01:46:40):
It's on your phone. So you're sitting there looking at your thing and circling things. And

Leo Laporte (01:46:44):
I love that

Alex Lindsay (01:46:44):
Feature. The fact that I could tell straight, I didn't look at the other features as much. I was just like, I can look at the, and I think it has a couple different settings, so you can have different zoom settings that it

Leo Laporte (01:46:52):
Has shutter speed, EV offset white balance presets. Yeah. The premium version unlocks mic over H DMI or M USB and the pause and the save images. That's in part of the new version 3.0 that's the's really cool.

Alex Lindsay (01:47:06):
That's the big one new

Leo Laporte (01:47:07):
Grids draw on top of light for live video with a virtual whiteboard. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Alex Lindsay (01:47:14):
Well done.

Leo Laporte (01:47:15):
Oh, it works with cinematic mode. Oh, very nice.

Alex Lindsay (01:47:21):
So for five bucks, it's a great

Leo Laporte (01:47:24):
OIE is, is good. You, you spend in my money. I bought the Downey. I bought the I, the arcane one that was free cuz I have Netflix and now I'm getting shoot Weam shoot pro webcam. Thank you, Alex. What's going on in office hours these days?

Alex Lindsay (01:47:41):
Well, we spent, we had a great super bowl. We, we, we watched the super bowl in after hours and, but we didn't, there was no audio and we, and we didn't talk about the game at all. All we, we talked about was the graphics and the, and the commercials.

Leo Laporte (01:47:52):
Oh man, what was I thinking? I should have thought of that. I could have gone office hours and oh, that would've been fun. It

Alex Lindsay (01:47:58):
Was the geekiest football game. And we were like circling things like, like, do you see what they did with the edge there? Oh yeah. Yeah. I see that. And I think that the, we were, we decided that the, that the stingers that they're using are about 15 frames too short. Like we were like talking about this, like there's a lot of discussion about it. And so it was like a hundred people sitting. There are 90, 90 or a hundred people sitting there, like watching from all over the world, talking about about that. And so so anyway, so we're, we're wrapping up a little bit of that. We have a yeah, so we we've got today, you

Leo Laporte (01:48:23):
Did super bowl ads, which I'd like to watch too.

Alex Lindsay (01:48:26):
And it kind of devolved, it was really it devolved into just general talking about the future of the ad business. And then tomorrow we'll talk about those graphics that we saw on Sunday, around the super bowl. And then we have Blair Anderson. Who's a metalsmith she's gonna talk, but she does a lot online and she's she has, she teaches metal Smith. So she, so it's very different. And we're gonna get, go, go back to analog or a little bit of analog on Thursday and then our new 2.0 is almost almost done. So we're talking about that. And then we're talking about accessibility in the classroom on Saturday. So it's still, you know, as always busy week, lots of lots

Leo Laporte (01:48:58):
Of office hours.global. And if you wanna hire Alex to do your next streaming video. Oh nine oh.media. Oh, look at all this stuff. You do. God. It's amazing.

Alex Lindsay (01:49:12):
That's a lot of fun. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:49:13):
Really, really cool.

Alex Lindsay (01:49:15):
Oh, by the way, that one, I think I talked about that one. It was, that was a low latency one you just scrolled to, right? If you go fair, play.io under highlights. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's such a great episode. If anyone. Oh yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:49:25):
You talked about that a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. Far play.io. Yeah. Dan for fair, nice far play. So you guys could be you musicians together

Alex Lindsay (01:49:34):
To get just watching him do it. Like he, he, he, he has a piano that, that accompanies you. So while he starts playing the piano starts playing something with it like that, he, you know, he sets up the rules for how the piano plays with him as he plays. So he's moving some of the keys and it's moving other keys. Yeah. It's really. And then he has it visualized, like has

Leo Laporte (01:49:50):
A graphic. It's a weird player. Piano. He's got

Alex Lindsay (01:49:53):
You gotta, yeah. It is a crazy, it's a, I think it's a Yamaha piano ized, but you, you, it, it's an episode that's really worth watching cuz it's just, he just kind of blew our mind, like every 10 minutes.

Leo Laporte (01:50:04):
I am definitely gonna watch that.

Alex Lindsay (01:50:06):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:50:07):
Andy and ACO, w G BH in Boston, when are you gonna be on next

Andy Ihnatko (01:50:12):
Usual time, Friday at 12:30 PM. Eastern time go to w GB news.org live or later in order to listen to

Leo Laporte (01:50:19):
It. Excellent. And the in ACO project

Andy Ihnatko (01:50:25):
Now, now I'm hung up on monetization. It's typical, typical business head. Like first I created the content for it. Then I created like the site for it now. Oh. Before I actually release it, let's think about how we can actually like get people to pay me for this. And so I'm stuck on that. So welcome. Welcome to it. This is, this is, this is why I'm living this fabulous lifestyle that you

Leo Laporte (01:50:44):
See around. Always my always comes last. Yeah. Step three. Profit. Yeah. Maybe, maybe,

Andy Ihnatko (01:50:54):
Maybe, maybe people will just like email me and ask, say, I'm really enjoying all this con all this content. Is it possible for you? Me to maybe mail you a, a cashiers check or something.

Leo Laporte (01:51:04):
There you go. But

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:05):
That's a good on the off chance on the off chance that that's not going to work, perhaps there should be, I don't know, like a SubT stack or perhaps a Patreon or a, or a coffee me or whatever.

Alex Lindsay (01:51:16):
You just have to watch. I bet you there's somebody that has a, it's like 60 million in a bank and they're ready to give it to you. Absolutely. To do this. I'll take it.

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:25):
I'll take

Leo Laporte (01:51:26):
Your Bitcoin wallet. QR code up on the screen in a while. That's all it takes.

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:29):
You know what I got? I got, I I've got like a, this, this is what I used to like clean my, my, my lenses here. I, I can make that in NFT.

Leo Laporte (01:51:37):
Okay. No. Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (01:51:39):
Every content as an NFT,

Leo Laporte (01:51:40):
Everything's in NFT. So

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:42):
Still got some of the candles from that cake like five weeks ago. That that could

Leo Laporte (01:51:45):
Be, oh, that's good.

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:47):
We could put that rent in the bit chain, the block you have

Alex Lindsay (01:51:49):
To, you have to, you have to put it nicely on the table and then take a picture. That's the NFT right there. Right.

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:55):
But the,

Leo Laporte (01:51:56):
You never have to mail anything. Just, it's all, it's all digital.

Andy Ihnatko (01:51:59):
The point is that I do, I do have like a roll away suitcase about yay. Big one of those nice big Pelican cases. I'm willing to like open it up and have some, fill it with money. And then I'll just close. 'em Beyond that way. If, if someone is amenable to that, that's perfectly fine by me.

Leo Laporte (01:52:13):
Rene Ritchie, youtube.com/Rene Ritchie, all of the deeds about the March 22 event I working on it, all of the info on the M one versus M two debate, thoughtful Applereviews and analysis. And now with animation, check it out. Learning never too old,

Rene Ritchie (01:52:34):
Never too dumb

Leo Laporte (01:52:34):
To learn and always keep working and always with a great facial expression. And that's, that's why we love you. That's why we got,

Rene Ritchie (01:52:40):
I mean, you, I learned from the magazine industry, they've been doing

Leo Laporte (01:52:42):
This fors that's yeah. Yep. Yeah. Anything else? You wanna plug Renee? How's weather in Montreal spring here.

Rene Ritchie (01:52:51):
It's minus nine. Right now. She's a big equipment, but what it was on the weekend

Leo Laporte (01:52:55):
Slowly. Oh my God. And we thought yesterday was cold cuz it was 52 degrees and we were freezing. Lisa and I are going it's cold. It's cold minus nine. Thank you, Renee. Well, that's Celsius, but I mean again, no, it's still cold. It's still cold. Can't believe me. It's still cold. It's chilly. It's chill. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Thank you all you guys are great. We do MacBreak Weekly on a Tuesday 11:00 AM. Pacific 2:00 PM. Eastern time, 1900 UTC. I mentioned those times cuz you can watch us live. All you have to do is tune in live.Twit.tv. There's a live audio and a live video stream actually is a variety of both there. If you're watching live chat live@ircdotTWiT.tv or in our club, TWiT discord, always a lot of fun in there. That's I hang out in there cause it's just so much fun.

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