MacBreak Weekly Episode 812 Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for MacBreak Weekly. Andy Rene and Alex, they're all here. And we have a date for WWDC. It's gonna be June 6th. We'll talk about it. What Apple might announce. And there is a very special, exclusive in-person portion. Will Rene get an invitation? He's celebrating two years as a YouTube star, a great video, Rene, all about that. Harrison Ford signs a deal to star in an Apple TV show, and we find out why some people get iPhone updates before others. It's all coming up next on MacBreak Weekly.

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This is MacBreak Weekly episode 812 recorded Tuesday, April 5th, 2022. Short fingered Bulgars MacBreak Weekly is brought to you by our crowd. Our crowd helps accredited investors. I invest in pre IPO companies alongside professional venture capitalists. Join the fastest growing venture capital investment community@ourcrowd.com slash MacBreak. And by ZipRecruiter, according to research, 90% of employers plan to enhance their employee experiences here. And if you need to add more employees, well they're zip recruiter. Ziprecruiter's technology finds qualified candidates for your job, and you can invite your top choices to apply. Try ZipRecruiter for free today at ziprecruiter.com/MacBreak and by cash fly cash wise, giving away a complimentary detailed analysis of your current CDN bill and usage trends. See if you are overpaying 20% or more, learn more@twit.cash line.com. It's time for MacBreak Weekly. The show we cover the latest news from Apple and there is actually news this week. Alex Lindsay is here from office hours.global and oh nine oh.media. Hello Alex.

Alex Lindsay (00:02:01):
Hi. How's it going? Going

Leo Laporte (00:02:02):
Well going well, spring is here in Northern California.

Alex Lindsay (00:02:08):
It's now it's getting kind of warm. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's all the way up to the, yeah. It's all the way from the mid seventies at times. I

Leo Laporte (00:02:15):
Think it's gonna even be

Alex Lindsay (00:02:16):
Warmer than that. I think

Leo Laporte (00:02:17):
We're going to the nineties at some point this

Alex Lindsay (00:02:18):
Week. Yeah, exactly. Every time it rains here, I'm always like, wow, it's here. I wish it actually still rains here. I know. But when it rains, I realized that we we're so used to drought now that when it rains, you're just like, what is this stuff coming out of the air?

Leo Laporte (00:02:31):
It's true. We're we're, we're heading into a massive drought. Unfortunately, It's gotten the point now where people are painting on their sides of their buildings. This might sound strange, but I wish it would rain right on the side of a building downtown, please, please begging. I don't think the rain God's paying attention to painting on

Alex Lindsay (00:02:55):
The, well, the problem is you guys murals, both ends of it. You know, like if,

Leo Laporte (00:02:58):
Yeah, if it rains too much, then we hate it.

Alex Lindsay (00:03:00):
Well, no, but it's a drought, but there's a chance that the, the, the water that the ocean might go up three feet, which means that at, at, at about nine feet, my house is now in an island. I it's no longer, it's no longer, but at three feet it just gets, there's a, I would

Leo Laporte (00:03:15):
Check the

Alex Lindsay (00:03:15):
Studio, water, water.

Leo Laporte (00:03:16):
Our house is high enough that we'd have to have a, a 60 foot sea level rise, which seems unlikely in my life.

Alex Lindsay (00:03:23):
If both ends, if all the ice melted, my house would be beachfront property, it sits. I, I checked it and it just comes right up to the lower yard. Yikes.

Leo Laporte (00:03:31):
If both ends melt.

Alex Lindsay (00:03:33):
Yeah. I don't think that'll. I think we're, I'm saying so far

Leo Laporte (00:03:36):
In our lifetime, your kids, I'm sorry. They exactly. No bets are off Andy Ihnatko. Chicago sometimes. No, not for a long time. Where does that come from? Just, you know, it's force of habit. WGBH Boston, and

Andy Ihnatko (00:03:50):
Rolls off the tongue

Leo Laporte (00:03:51):
In beautiful new England.

Andy Ihnatko (00:03:53):
Hello you through England. But finally, finally, after like the 20 degree, like late March, such a, a beautiful day today, this is the first day that like I spent like an hour doing like the springtime stuff to the house where like, if I open the right series of doors and windows, I will get cross ventilation from one side of the building to the other. So I, I will have this window open until like shooting and ambulances. And then I'll of course I'll shut

Leo Laporte (00:04:19):
It

Andy Ihnatko (00:04:20):
For the sake of audio, but oh my God, let me join the spring

Leo Laporte (00:04:23):
Also. I don't know if it's spring yet in Montreal, but Rene Richie is here celebrating his second anniversary as a fully independent YouTuber. Welcome Rene as

Rene Ritchie (00:04:35):
My own nation state. Yeah. It's, it's a bomb, 11 degrees. I'm running naked through the ice. It's amazing.

Leo Laporte (00:04:39):
11. I hope I'm hoping that Celsius Celsius. Yeah. Okay. 27 years, sorry

Rene Ritchie (00:04:45):
For people in America and Zanzibar or whatever the other country is that doesn't use CEL CS yet. It's like, I don't know, seventies

Leo Laporte (00:04:50):
Something. So this was on the second anniversary we were talking about before the show began, but I have to, I have to show a little bit of it. You created a video on

Speaker 6 (00:04:59):
The two years, right? Re you already know what

Leo Laporte (00:05:01):
I'm gonna ask congratulating your biggest fan here. And it's 27 YouTubers. Grill me about Apple. You know, everybody I'm impressed. I, I,

Rene Ritchie (00:05:13):
It's a Canadian thing. Leo, you just, you gotta be nice to people cause you never know where you're gonna have take a shelter from the snow.

Leo Laporte (00:05:18):
Really great. And congratulations. Oh, thank you. On the significant milestone two years in. Thank you. That's nice. We have some news This morning. Woo. WWDC was announced, but in an interesting turnabout, Apple has announced quest. It will be online except there might be a little tiny day where you could go online

Rene Ritchie (00:05:47):
Asterisk.

Leo Laporte (00:05:48):
Yeah. Asterisk and see it. Apple will host a special day for developer student students at Apple park on June 6th to watch the keynote and state of the union videos together, along with the army. So

Rene Ritchie (00:06:01):
Viewing party Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:06:03):
Yeah. I think they want an audience. Right? So that sounds like they'll be a live, they'll be live keynotes with an audience. Or maybe they'll

Rene Ritchie (00:06:09):
Just, we're watching a movie together. It's

Alex Lindsay (00:06:11):
A movies.

Leo Laporte (00:06:12):
Yeah. They might do that too. I guess you think that's they're

Andy Ihnatko (00:06:15):
Paper, the house

Rene Ritchie (00:06:17):
Alex Lindsay needs the popcorn he's to provide the popcorn. I'm not gonna go.

Alex Lindsay (00:06:21):
Yeah, exactly. No, no, I, I it's. This is, this is a pretty interesting turn of the, of the process, because the, I still think that watch parties make more sense to Apple than doing an actual live stage event again. It's just, it, you can produce so much denser content with it and more, make it more viewable for the millions of people that watch it otherwise. And so it's an interesting place to experiment with the idea of we're gonna have a viewing event. We're gonna let you come and watch it. And then you can go out and play with the new hardware, which will be out in the main foyer, you know, the downstairs foyer under the, down the stairs or whatever. And if it, if it's successful, if they like it, I bet you we'll see a lot more of it.

Leo Laporte (00:06:58):
James Thompson had an interesting theory on twitter. He says, my bet is, so the people who are there can try out a headset in person,

Rene Ritchie (00:07:11):
If it's, if it's ready. I mean like GDC was a test balloon, I think. And a lot of people got sick and there were people who went with like, and there's a whole, like just this morning, it was a huge controversy because people went knowing they had COVID and didn't care apparently, and got people sick. So I think Apple is also just being an abundance of caution because it's hard to tell like where BA two will be. Yeah. By June as well. So like, this is just safe.

Andy Ihnatko (00:07:33):
Also. Also Apple is not the company that simply says, Hey, random people we've in audience, come on in and try out this thing that we've never introduced before. And we've never trained you personally on. So you can tell everybody what you thought about this first look of experience.

Leo Laporte (00:07:48):
Microsoft did it with Len and got a lot of positive press as a

Andy Ihnatko (00:07:51):
Result, but that's Microsoft. That's not Apple. I mean, this, this is also, this is also the anniversary 10th, isn't the 10th year anniversary or the introduction of the iPad and oh my God, the rules that they, I, I got a pre-release one and oh my God, the number of rules that they had, I was that they, they didn't even want me to like, let David Letterman like have it on the show unless I was the one operating it at all times who had like two weeks with it and stuff like that. I absolutely do not believe that they would, unless, unless they chew, if they handpick a couple of really chosen people and they give them an embar that says that here you, after a week of using this, you get to say something about it under a lot of strict controls. I really don't see them showing them off to random strangers.

Alex Lindsay (00:08:38):
Well, and I think that the, the other problem is even a, they did do that. You wouldn't, you're better off in a lot of ways doing it in a controlled environment with only up to a thousand people and not all of them would be the people that you're looking for. I mean, half of them are gonna be engineers they're from Apple in that theater. So the so the thing is, is that you only have a handful of people there to put those on, and you can manage that if you have them at if you have them in, you know, at WWDC with thousands of people that wanna try them on, especially in the COVID environment, even before COVID exactly. It was always weird at conferences with Oculus or, or with, or the Googles, whatever, anybody, what everybody was doing, putting something everyone else is putting up against your eyes. You know, even if they tried to clean it or did whatever it was always like, I was always like, no, no, thank you. Like, I don't need to put on a random headset.

Andy Ihnatko (00:09:24):
When, when I, when I was wearing my Google glass, like the comic cons and stuff like that, I, I knew that people would want to like try it on. And so I always, always had like a spray bottle of alcohol with me, so I would take them off, spray it down, let them use it, they hand it back to me. I would spray it down again. So, yeah, I don't

Alex Lindsay (00:09:40):
Don't,

Leo Laporte (00:09:40):
I would've said you guys are so paranoid, but now I'm kind of agree with you. I'm looking at the COVID community level in Santa Clara county. And right now it's pretty benign you know, masks mandates are done, you know, here in Northern California, people are coming and going just as if it were the good old days. So I wonder if this is an indicator that Apple might want to keep doing this, even without COVID.

Alex Lindsay (00:10:08):
You know, I think that there's, there is some value to having, there is a value for Apple to you know, have something that is, that is true in person there's some, but, but I think that there they're a little conference process in the fall actually. Well, Apple WWC was actually pretty successful on its own last year with really well made videos that covered the stuff, which was actually better than the content. They, and they

Leo Laporte (00:10:31):
Did FaceTime sessions, one on one to one with the developers. You could hear everybody Lee engineers, I like this. And I think a, I've seen a lot of developers today on twitter, say, this is great because I didn't wanna spend thousands of dollars coming to one of the most expensive areas in the world. Democratizes it. Yeah. so, you know, there are, I think,

Alex Lindsay (00:10:51):
I think there are, I think that, that I, I could see, I'm not saying that it's never gonna come back. I, I could see that the virtual part of this is gonna be a bigger and bigger part of what WWC is because WWC should be 250,000 or 300,000 or 500,000 people online. Yeah. And for the people who can make it in it's it's there. But I think that we have to figure out how to keep on integrating. I mean, this is a great way for Apple to do it. I think it's totally prudent inside of not knowing with COVID COVID is, has as, as snuck up on us a couple times now. So, so, you know, building a, building, something in the middle of, of, of all of this is, is a little nutty. So, so I think that, I think it, it makes it it's a prudent decision.

Alex Lindsay (00:11:30):
I think it allows Apple to keep on experimenting. And what I hope they do is do what they did in the fall, in the summer. So come right after dub WDC, and then immediately start doing, I thought there sessions other than using WebEx, which was a disaster. Their, their sessions I thought were pretty well designed. There was no overlap, which is like, when conferences now do overlap, do multiple tracks. I'm like, why would you do that? Like, you know, instead of WebEx virtual zoom, zoom, okay. Zoom's way better than WebEx. Like, like let's, I mean, like I use all of them all the time because I get paid to use them all and I get, and I mean meetings all the time. So I I'm pretty, I pretty clear idea. Webex is horrible, horrible platform. Microsoft teams is actually considerably better. I think zoom is at the top, the Microsoft

Leo Laporte (00:12:19):
Team. Yes. See, see Apple using Microsoft teams, however,

Alex Lindsay (00:12:21):
No, they, no, they couldn't. I'm saying what I'm saying is that zoom is the one that is not, you know, Apple can't use Google. Well, if they can't use

Rene Ritchie (00:12:28):
Key teams, they could use that, but they

Alex Lindsay (00:12:30):
Make teams. I don't think Apple knows how to make a, I don't think knows how to make a FaceTime that is, would be worth using. I mean, I don't, I don't think they have that, that skillset at this point. Like, I,

Leo Laporte (00:12:39):
I, since we switched to zoom, we've been very, very happy

Alex Lindsay (00:12:43):
It's stable. It's got, and, and the bottom line is, is that the you know, zoom bought a company called liminal, which I had recommended last year. And it changed it's, it's a game changer. Like the, the, you know, we like to say that everybody, you know, oh, you just get to hire more people to do something. But every once in a while you hire a handful of people who, and let them build a team. And right now the, the best video conferencing team in the world is at zoom. You know, like it's, they just, they hire the right talent. They have the right quarterback, they have the right running back, they have the right receivers. They have, you know, like, sorry for the sports references, but they have, they have a super bowl team that's playing in there. And that makes a difference, you know? And so zoom right now is the, is the by far the, the best video conferencing platform.

Leo Laporte (00:13:27):
Yeah. yeah, I think that's probably certainly been our case, our, our experience. So Rene, you think you'll get an invite invite. That's gonna be a very hot ticket on I,

Rene Ritchie (00:13:40):
I'm not gonna get my hopes up. I don't, I don't, I don't have high confidence. It will have a VR headset at WWDC. I think that's maybe a September thing. If not early 20, 22 thing, I'd rather be surprised than disappointed. I'm sure they'll have some press there. And I don't know if it'll be just us only press or

Leo Laporte (00:13:56):
Be the press release says, press specifically, developers and students that also says space will be limited in details about how to apply to attend will be provided on the site and app soon. They don't say anything about press, but I have to think if they're having people come in, they're gonna have a hand full of press.

Alex Lindsay (00:14:13):
It goes Bayway. I, I don't know if I'd wanna spend the whole day down there, like, like,

Leo Laporte (00:14:17):
Like,

Alex Lindsay (00:14:17):
Like, I don't know. It's a lot easier for us. It very happy watching the streams, Alex,

Leo Laporte (00:14:20):
It's a lot easier for us than it is for Rene coming all the way from the east coast.

Alex Lindsay (00:14:24):
And, and I, you know, the last everyone gets bigger for us. And the last, last Apple stream, there was 150 of us. And after hours, you know, part of the office hours, that's

Leo Laporte (00:14:31):
Probably more fun. Yeah. Boom, my, and they were

Alex Lindsay (00:14:33):
Fun. We said they were talking about it Is that, but we were all talking about it during the thing. It's like the geekiest way to watch it. And it was so much more fun than actually just sitting there watching it. Well,

Leo Laporte (00:14:43):
If this

Rene Ritchie (00:14:44):
Hardware expectation is more like I Mac pro anyway, cuz they, they showed off the 2013 Mac pro at dub dub and then you, you could go see it and they showed off the 2019 Mac pro and you could all go across the street and watch like the pro workflows team demo it, which was amazing. So just seeing that kind of stuff is enough. I don't need to, I don't need to worry about headsets yet, but even that like controlling a hands on room where you have a bunch of people putting hands on the same thing, you know, to Alex's previous point where Eddie's previous point that's, that's a lot of logistic sticks.

Leo Laporte (00:15:11):
I think Apple's gonna be a little challenged by AMAC pro, to be honest with you. I'm very curious. We were talking about this on Sunday. Dan Warren was on on twit and I feel like just doubling the ultra, isn't gonna be enough to make a compelling pro actually if they can't get P C

Rene Ritchie (00:15:32):
Slots,

Leo Laporte (00:15:32):
Leo single quarter, it's all about the P Slots. Yeah. So P and then what they put PCI slots in for AMD GPU, can they even

Alex Lindsay (00:15:42):
It's

Rene Ritchie (00:15:42):
Great controllers and yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:15:44):
And, and on all my AV in and out. So my Dante cards, my, my video cards, my all the, all the ways to get in out is a real pay in the neck right now for, it seems

Leo Laporte (00:15:53):
Clear to me, Alex, and you correct me cuz you're the pro that if you really want performance you're gonna buy a, a PC and run Linux on it. You're not, or, or maybe windows, but you're not, but a Mac is not gonna be what the high end high slice thin slice of high, high end pros are gonna want.

Alex Lindsay (00:16:11):
Well, I think that I, that it depends on what they're doing, you know, like, so, you know, there's, there are pros who definitely want to use kind of a Mac, you know, if you're using raw data, like really raw power, I, I, I'm gonna put two or 3 30, 30 nineties in my, in my, you're not gonna get that on a Mac. You know, like that's not. And, and we, we haven't, you know, we buy those kinds, people

Leo Laporte (00:16:29):
Living in the Mac ecosystem using logic or final cut it. Right.

Alex Lindsay (00:16:33):
Yeah. But I, but I would say is like, if you're gonna go to buy a PC at best buy or something like that, then NAAC is probably gonna outperform most of those things. If you're gonna go to that's Puget systems,

Leo Laporte (00:16:41):
That's what

Alex Lindsay (00:16:42):
You're doing. But I'm saying if you're gonna go to Puget systems or build your own yeah. Well, a lot of pros do. I mean, you have to get that. I mean, there's, there's not that many pros that need, I understand it's

Leo Laporte (00:16:50):
A small

Alex Lindsay (00:16:51):
Market heavy.

Leo Laporte (00:16:51):
No,

Alex Lindsay (00:16:51):
For instance, if I'm, if I'm a, the max are better than everything else right now because of the Apple pro re accelerator. Right. So just that one chip makes it the best place to, to do a lot of these things. Yeah. It depends on depends on what you're doing. It's just

Rene Ritchie (00:17:06):
Aspirational hardware.

Leo Laporte (00:17:08):
I know, but pros are maybe less susceptible than the rest of us to this, that notion of I want a cool thing or the, you know, the hot thing

Rene Ritchie (00:17:17):
Is bought a macro pro didn't only these Mac pros are 600 gig.

Leo Laporte (00:17:20):
I'm a little disappointed, be honest with you. I'm a little disappointed with what Apple has done because without increasing the single core clock speed, these are, and, and not having and VicU cores or some form of high end GPU. These are not, these are

Alex Lindsay (00:17:37):
Basically, it depends

Leo Laporte (00:17:38):
Fancy iPhones.

Alex Lindsay (00:17:39):
It depends on the kind of, so it depends on the kind of 3d that you're doing. So you have to remember that for things that are high ver because most of what we're testing right now is 3d. That requires a lot of GPU processing, but not a lot of, not a lot of memory. And so the thing is, is that there are going to be things. So if we start throwing, you know, if I start throwing 300 million polygons with eight K textures into it, you may find that the, the ultra runs a whole lot better than a 30 90, because the 30, 90 can't keep all the textures or the geometry in it. Unified

Leo Laporte (00:18:09):
Memory. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:18:10):
So the unified memory, you know, we're not, so what we're seeing are tests that are optimized for graphics cards, not optimized for, I'm gonna throw, you know, these massive pieces of geometry and, and texture maps into it. And so it may turn out that there are definitely things that you can do faster on your GPU, but that huge for, for doing film visual effects and doing big, you know, 3d projects. I can see even stuff in BIM, which is normally a PC thing that you could you, you may find that if you're throwing huge textures, cuz one of the big things we have to do is we have to the, as soon as we build a model, I have to decimate or get rid of huge amounts of polygons or it won't run on the machine. I have to get, make the texture smaller.

Alex Lindsay (00:18:50):
Cause it won't run on the machine because the GPU can't hold that much, that data into the GPU or, or it has to swap, which makes it very inefficient. And so the thing is, is that, so I think that Apple, you know, we, the, the jury's still out, it's a brand new technology. The GPU's are performing faster when you give them GPU tests and the M one's not optimized for them, but the M one may be optimized for something that in the future is gonna be possibly more important when it comes to truly photo rail scenes where you, you, I want to throw a billion polygons into something and I want to have, you know, 200 gigs of, of texture maps. That's a, that's something that you, I don't, you can throw at a GPU right now, you're

Leo Laporte (00:19:28):
Using unreal engine and unreal engine five came out today. And I suspect a lot of companies that are are gonna be doing this kind of stuff are gonna want unreal engine it's

Alex Lindsay (00:19:40):
It's. So unreal engines really cool. And Nites is, is the, the engine that's making that is, is, is awesome. I mean, it's, it's it's and unreal engine five is a ground is game changer. Like it, it absolutely is, but it's not photo real. Like it's, it's very close, but it's, it's not, it's not a photo real engine. Well, it

Leo Laporte (00:19:57):
It's what you're saying, which is, it really depends what you're doing, but right. I, I, I'm just, I'm starting to think that maybe hardcore professionals are not gonna be as happy about the, the Mac pro as, as, as they have been in the past. Maybe

Alex Lindsay (00:20:12):
I think that it would still be, it depends. I mean, the Mac pro wasn't even that good at managing, I mean, that's true. The Mac pro was no GPU. Right. They bought it. They didn't buy it for the GPU because the AMD stuff

Leo Laporte (00:20:22):
Is not, they wanted Invidia. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:23):
Yeah. They, because the problem is, and,

Leo Laporte (00:20:26):
And ISNT a big market for Apple, it's a tiny, tiny slice of the overall market. So they don't need to win at this, except that it's for perception. That's important.

Alex Lindsay (00:20:33):
But I, but I, I think that the, the issue is, is that the, again, there are things that we want to do for instance, in video rendering, that requires huge, you know, so if we wanna put an eight K again, when we start talking about eight K, which high end professional talking about high end professionals, people are thinking about that right now. I mean, I'm getting requests to consider eight K one 20. So that's a lot of, that's a lot of bandwidth, you know, and, and size, and, and requires a lot of memory to any kind of effects to it. And so, so the thing is, is that so that's coming and Apple is much more prepared for that than the PC market. And so so there's, there's definitely I, I think that, again, it's, it's a big heavy, it depends as opposed to it's, it's a hardcore one way or the other.

Leo Laporte (00:21:15):
Yeah. here's the Mandalorian, which uses unreal engine five for its, its backdrops. 

Alex Lindsay (00:21:23):
I don't think so.

Leo Laporte (00:21:24):
Well, I don't think this is the unreal unreal, or maybe it's four. Yeah. Okay.

Alex Lindsay (00:21:29):
From season one of Amanda Lian. You're right. But from season two IM built its own.

Leo Laporte (00:21:35):
Oh, interesting. Interesting.

Alex Lindsay (00:21:37):
It's a lot of drama about that.

Leo Laporte (00:21:38):
Yeah. Oh, that's very interesting. Yeah. So it's yeah,

Alex Lindsay (00:21:41):
But, but yeah, but it's not, it's a it's IM has its own engine. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:21:45):
Well that makes sense. IM but Alex known for

Rene Ritchie (00:21:48):
To Alex's point, I've tested the M one ultra against the Invideo 30, 90 card, and you can go toe to toe with it. It just depends on what you're doing like with right. Video enhanced AI, which takes old video and makes it much better. I can beat it every single time with the same amount of frames, same amount of workload. I can beat the 30, 90, some of the tests like wildlife does slightly better. And some of it like GX bench, it does slightly worse, still neck and neck. It depends entirely on what task you're doing. And when you look at some of the demos, like the, like, they have these I'm forgetting the name of what it's called, but this giant spaceship demo that they put together with a pro workflows team, they can do all those polygons. Alex was talking about without the decimation, which doesn't matter to everybody, but matters to a lot other people. And I think the Mac pro is really for those Apple, like, it's not for, they're not competing with Invidia. If you want Kuda cores, you want Kuda cores, but there's a segment of Apple, of, of Apple users who are holding onto Intel Mac pros because they need more Ram. They need more of those resources. They need the ability to put those cards in because they work on these big network arrays and

Leo Laporte (00:22:48):
Just

Rene Ritchie (00:22:49):
Can't do with these

Leo Laporte (00:22:50):
When Apple talks benchmarks, and they put out graphs, it's always per power per TPU. What they don't show is if, yeah, if you're willing to use 400 Watts on your Invidia card, you can beat the,

Rene Ritchie (00:23:01):
So that's not actually true. That's a misconception and that's, it's Apple's fault for not being clear, but that line doesn't continue. A lot of people assume it does because an Invidia card can suck in so much power, but that's power, two system, not power in system Apple doesn't have a big power, two system. You don't have to push a bunch of stuff in just to make the card light up before you do any processing. So that graph doesn't really extend very far. It's just once you're on the card that's what you, that's what you get from both systems.

Andy Ihnatko (00:23:26):
Yeah. There's also an audience that we're overlooking here. There's is one specific type of creator that has to have max and that's Mac developers. And a lot of them are really, really interested in compile times being shut down as, as, as slim as they can possibly get them as far as, as far as fast thick and rev that's money in the bank. So that's one area in which I'm sure that we're gonna see part of that, but this, I, I think overall, this, this really does the conversation we're having right now really does point to how brilliant an idea, the idea of having a brand new name plate for Mac called the Mac studio targeted at people. Most of the people who would be sort of like buying an entry level to maybe mid-level Mac pro, because they're convinced that well, not that convinced that, but they know that they have to suck in eight K video spit out 4k video with all kinds of effects and all kinds of composites.

Andy Ihnatko (00:24:16):
And the, this is to have a, a Mac that's designed and targeted specifically towards them solves a problem. They know that that's a bread and butter creator. That's a bread and butter sort audience, but Lee, I think you're, I think you're right. That there, there, there there's a, there's a, there's a rung on the ladder above which anybody who's interested in that level of performance is stopping is no longer thinking. Why would I buy just simply a, why would I just simply go to a website and order a, a, a pre-made prefab Mac pre pre-made pre-fab windows machine when I can just basically assemble all the components I need. That's targeted specifically to what I need this amount of power to do. Sometimes, sometimes it really is about having as much Ram as possible when you're dealing with huge, huge data sets. You really just Ram is the king. Sometimes it really is a, a core number of cores and how fast as this course can run. So that's, it's, I, I, I'm, I'm a little bit mystified as to how Apple attracts the people who need that level of performance. They're great up until this level, but up, up above them, they can't really build to, they can't really design a Mac that's specifically for the needs of this one person who's willing to spend $12,000 on a desktop.

Leo Laporte (00:25:25):
Well, I would also to submit that the, the window is closing because GPU availability is go coming back. Apple does not own unified memory. That's an old technology that anybody could adopt. Intel has already started using efficiency course and performance course to really improve the performance of its Al like generation. I feel like Apple has shown the way and they definitely led, but it's gonna be, I, I look, I'm not saying anything about anything below the Mac pro I'm saying Mac pro is gonna be a, maybe gonna be a tougher sell. It's gonna

Andy Ihnatko (00:26:00):
Take a while. It's gonna take a few generations.

Leo Laporte (00:26:01):
Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:26:02):
And I think that, I think that again, there's the market, you know, I live in this market. I, no,

Leo Laporte (00:26:07):
That's why I ask you yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:26:09):
The way there, but the market that is I need all of that power is, oh, it's super small. Like, like, you know what, so app, other than aspirational, it doesn't mean anything like to, to, to Apple. It is other than being excited to be able to have, write an article that a scientist is re engineering, some genome or something like that. Other than the article, that market is worthless to Apple, like, like in the grand scheme of things, you know, it's, it's, it gets people, you know, coded Excel, and

Leo Laporte (00:26:35):
Yet they still make Mac pros and they still talk about it. 

Alex Lindsay (00:26:38):
Because theres you don't want to, they resu a

Leo Laporte (00:26:40):
Them. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:26:41):
There's still a lot of pros that, that I don't think it's

Leo Laporte (00:26:44):
About business. I think it's about image. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (00:26:47):
Well, it's also important that you have to give, you have to give a lot of the pros, the tools so that they don't just jump over to the PC. Right. You know, like there, like the, for there's still of that top market that the Mac pro enters there's 1% that is gonna have to build their own PC or Linux 99 cent, you know, just need a more powerful machine so they can justify using it as opposed to PC, because they don't wanna use PCs. Yeah. But they, they will, if they, if they, so if you give them enough power, and I know a lot of Mac pro users, you know, that, that, you know, I, I, and, and they don't fundamentally, they even have PCs sit on their desk, but they don't wanna use 'em every day, you know? And so they want, and so they're, they're, they're like they, you know, prefer something, but if you, but for a lot of us, for a long time before the new Mac pro came out, we were buying PCs because the, the, the ceiling was super low, you know, for us, where we had to just switch over to PC and Linux, and now the Mac pro gives, you know, extends that ceiling pretty far up.

Alex Lindsay (00:27:40):
Does it extend it all the way up? Absolutely not.

Rene Ritchie (00:27:43):
They also pay down technologies. Like in 2019, we got the reprogrammable ASIC ProRes engines in the Mac pro and a huge card. And we got the pro display XDR and then two years later, that's in an iPhone and those are the same cores. They just figured out to miniaturize them and put them straight on the dye. And they just figured out how to take the, not quite yet mini L E D technology and put that in the iPad. And they pay that off cause a huge price tag. They have a huge price envelope within a Mac pro. So it does let them play and stretch and, and, and builds a lot of stuff that they wanna use internally. And that, that small percentage of people still want to use.

Leo Laporte (00:28:14):
There's weird stuff too, going on something the chaps reminded me that a Sahi Linux, which is a Linux design specifically for the M one. And by the way, probably you really, you know, like to live on the bleeding edge. I wouldn't recommend it's nerdy, it's nerdy, but it's, you know, it's an interesting project. And of course, a lot of Linux users are saying, boy, I wish I could run it on an M one compile times on a saw here 40 times faster than Macs, which is bizarre. Maybe there's less overhead and Linux, I don't know, but that's a very odd,

Rene Ritchie (00:28:48):
It also occurs to me that like the big announcements we've seen from the PC side of the Invidia side is how big they can make the power supplies recently, which I think because they're, they really are concerned about putting up performance numbers. They don't care at all about power efficiency, numbers. No, but they're talking like 800 wa power supplies and Invidia and Intel are actually fighting about those last percentages off a power plug, cuz they know you only got one power plug in your office on the same switch and they can't both be pulling 1200 Watts. So they're now fighting with each other. Who's gonna get the amount of watage that a normal house can provide. And you should, that's the point we've gotten to,

Leo Laporte (00:29:20):
You should hear my rise in 7 30, 80 gaming machine. When it, when I'm doing anything, it sounds like a jet taken off me. What are

Rene Ritchie (00:29:29):
You gonna do with two 800 wat cards? Like you literally can't, you have to plug 'em into two houses, but

Leo Laporte (00:29:34):
If you're a pro you're not, that's not, you're not worried about, you know, every, all that matters is can you, can you, can you get it compiled or built or done before, you know, their coffee's cold? And so it

Rene Ritchie (00:29:46):
Keeps your coffee warm. It's so hot S coffee, but on top, everything gets cold.

Andy Ihnatko (00:29:52):
But, but, but also, you know, more fans was more, more opportunities for our GB lighting instead

Leo Laporte (00:29:56):
Of PC. That's true. You see 40% faster. Sorry. About 40. Did I say 40 times faster? That was an error. 40% faster, still 40% faster compilation. That's to me, it's not enough to get a Sahi Linux on your Mac on your beautiful post. Oh,

Rene Ritchie (00:30:14):
By this time, next week, you'll be telling us that you're running out on, on the machine in front of you, Leo.

Leo Laporte (00:30:17):
Yeah, no, I thought about it. I decided not to. I decided that all right, let's take a little break. Lots, actually. I'm curious when we come back, if there's anything else to look for June 6th and a reminder, June 6th, 10:00 AM. That's gonna be the WWDC keynote, of course, like a Sergeant and I will stream it live as always or you can watch office hours with a bunch of geeks going, Ooh. Ah, Ooh. But that's gonna be a that's

Rene Ritchie (00:30:46):
Setting

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Rene Ritchie (00:34:37):
They don't, they, they sometimes do hardware. They don't always do hardware. It's about half and half 2017. They didn't have a spring event. So they did all the hardware, like literally all the hardware. Oh. But last year there was no hardware. So it really, it really goes up and down. It depends. What's ready. My guess is MacPro.

Leo Laporte (00:34:53):
Yeah,

Rene Ritchie (00:34:53):
That's my guess.

Leo Laporte (00:34:54):
They did announce an awful lot of stuff. The XDR already this, this, this year, so,

Rene Ritchie (00:34:59):
And I'm hoping the XDR display part too, where they, you have, like, I, I don't want it to be seven K for seven K Leo. I really, really don't. But some of the technologies we're hearing about like are, are like 36 inch seven K mini, L E D display. And I know people still want promotion on it because you know, why pay less? So I'm just, I'm gritting my teeth and waiting to see

Leo Laporte (00:35:18):
What that, oh, weird. Speaking of which a weird thing happened on the way to my Monterey 12.3 0.1, Lisa, I was, I updated fine on my Mac studio max, as you know, Lisa as an ultra, she says, what's going on? I can't update. I said, I came in and I said, what do you mean? It says you don't have your studio. Display is not attached. So would you please attach your studio display so we can update both at the same time. And then when I clicked okay. It said, no, no, no attach. We don't have a studio display. There's this Mac has never had a studio display attached. Oh, wait a minute.

Leo Laporte (00:35:55):
Yes, it has here at the studio when we first unboxed it. So do you think it remembers seeing a studio display and says no. No. Cuz what I ended up having to do is, you know, there's a, a for more information or more details, you click that box and then you get both updates, 12.3, one plus studio display update. And I uncheck the studio. I said, okay, it's still complained. And then it did it. So it must have seen that. I had only once, months ago, weeks ago, connected it to a studio display. That's weird. Cuz I didn't, I didn't have a, I didn't have that problem with my ultra. Huh? Okay. Now, now that I answered my own question, it's strange though that it remembers that I guess it, they really wanna update the studio display what's in the update. Rene, anything important?

Rene Ritchie (00:36:48):
It it's no, it's just it's not the bug fix. We're waiting for either just to fix that camera. So it was, it came with a review unit. You, you put it in and it fixed it right away. I have no experience of what it did before then. Maybe it was just, the whole screen was yellow,

Leo Laporte (00:37:02):
Blue. So there is, there is something, there is some sort of update because yeah, we updated the studio display when we unboxed it, we updated it. So it must it's it is something new. I would love

Rene Ritchie (00:37:13):
To see like aggressive updates for this. I think we talked about this, but like AirPods have been getting new features air every year they got spatial audio conversation boost find my, every dub do. They're treated like another piece of hardware that gets updates. And I would love to see studio display come up and say, okay, for you like omega level Apple nerds who bought two of them, we're gonna let you do a stereo pairing. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:37:33):
With that,

Rene Ritchie (00:37:33):
Like HomePod. So you can have a wider sound day. I, I just, it breaks my heart. There's no wa cuz we, we saw the unboxing now from sorry. The, the tear down from I fix it. It just breaks my heart. The one thing Apple doesn't cram wifi into is this. Cause I would love wireless airplay and wireless. Sidecar is built in. You do want, I know it makes no sense cuz like a Mac will do that automatically, but I just want

Leo Laporte (00:37:52):
It. You do wanna get 1231. You also wanna get 1541 for iOS cuz they are zero days that Apple is fixing. I don't know. You know, I don't know how an application may be able to execute arbitrary code with Colonel privileges. The max are pretty locked down right now for instance. Yeah. I wrote a program at home, compiled it on my studio at home, sent it in. I couldn't, I couldn't run it on my mini here. I had to recoil it here to say, oh no, no. And look I'm it's my program. So they're pretty good about unsigned stuff, right? Yeah. The there's an update for the Intel graphics driver. If you have an Intel Mac as well, that allows an application to read kernel memory. So as always you wanna fix them the 1541 on iOS fixes an issue that could drain the batteries of iPhones and iPads more quickly than expected 1231 fixes an issue that could cause Bluetooth devices to unexpectedly disconnect from them back. Well, I thought that was a feature that happens all the time. Okay. Do you

Rene Ritchie (00:38:59):
Think like if Elon bought 9% of Apple, he could just fix all this stuff. Like we'll just never have a bug again.

Leo Laporte (00:39:03):
Oh I cannot wait to see what happens at twitter. Now you, we you're referring to the fact that on Friday it came out or actually it came out late Sunday cuz we missed it on twitter. No, no, I guess we had it on twitter. Elon had bought a huge stake, $3 billion stake in twitter this morning. Twitter announced he's been added to the board, but I maybe

Rene Ritchie (00:39:24):
It's timeline Leo. We found out it's that timeline.

Leo Laporte (00:39:27):
It may be a defensive update because when you're on the board, you can only buy up to 14.5% of the stock. 

Alex Lindsay (00:39:34):
Well you, you know what they say, keep your friends, call those in your enemies. Its closer. Exactly. He mentioned, he mentioned that he was going to build a new, a new twitter and it didn't take very long for, for him to end up on.

Leo Laporte (00:39:44):
Very interesting. It's

Andy Ihnatko (00:39:46):
Very, can I, can I give a shout out to like Lauren, Lauren Hirsch and Mike Isaac New York times posted a story about the, about all that like yesterday at and had like the, one of the best lines I've seen in tech writing ever Elon Musk is putting his money, is putting his money where your mouth saw And I'm like, oh, that's

Leo Laporte (00:40:06):
Exactly right. Apparently

Rene Ritchie (00:40:09):
He's still gonna have to abide by the terms and conditions. They did say that quite of plainly

Leo Laporte (00:40:12):
The market loved the market boosted twitters price percent. Maybe, you know, what it might happen is you says, oh good. Thank you. Thank you for the $300 million. Bye. I know. And Jack

Rene Ritchie (00:40:22):
Was happy.

Leo Laporte (00:40:23):
Jack was happy. Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (00:40:24):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:40:26):
Let's see, what else watch was happy. TV OS 1541. Watch OS 80 51. So updates across the board often. These are all related security updates. Yeah. Safari

Rene Ritchie (00:40:40):
Unified platform. Unified security updates.

Leo Laporte (00:40:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Safari 15 0.4. That was last. That was last month. So I'm just looking at the other updates. Okay.

Rene Ritchie (00:40:49):
I don't know if you've been following it Leo, but the, the safari evangelists on twitter have been much more active in soliciting feedback and, and building community and getting people to talk about the features that they want and what they're gonna support and being much more transparent or the web kit side, at least being much more transparent about what they're building and why and their thought processes. And I find it really refreshing.

Leo Laporte (00:41:06):
Yeah. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (00:41:07):
It's, it's interesting. Maybe, maybe they're a little bit hungry because I think it was just, was it just today or yesterday that latest stats on web browser saturation is that edge actually surpassed safari for the first time? In like in user installs or daily user, whatever the metric is, it was like a solid metric of more people are now using edge than safari, which I find very, very, very, very interesting because last year, another piece of another very interesting piece statistic was that reported by Google, but verified by outsiders was that most of the, most of the searches for like for Google Chrome come from like Microsoft edge. So basically people are launching Microsoft edge the first time of the new machines using that to download and install Chrome and then they never use edge again.

Rene Ritchie (00:41:54):
That's desktop. Right? Cause I imagine mobile safari still is a huge

Andy Ihnatko (00:41:56):
Exactly. Oh no. AB absolutely. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:41:59):
Well you don't have a choice really. So

Rene Ritchie (00:42:01):
There was a big curve Fu though, like there was a fight when they had some open source contributions to web kit and a couple Chrome engineers said let's really not. That's kind of beneath Apple to use free contributions from the open source community in a, you know, you're but you shouldn't do that. And then they're like, if we didn't do it, you'd accuse us of not taking contributions

Leo Laporte (00:42:17):
From the community. God can't win. Oh,

Rene Ritchie (00:42:19):
They had a huge evangelist fight.

Leo Laporte (00:42:21):
Oh, evangelist fight. So Apple did not though. I don't know if this is a sign of the times apply that patch to big sir or Catalina. So those two so-called active exploited zero days are not patched at least so far. Is it possible that they've decided these are so old, we're not gonna patch 'em or is it more likely to just take me a little longer to get the patches out? What do you think, Rene?

Rene Ritchie (00:42:48):
I hope the latter I mean they usually are fairly good about updating at least a couple generations back and those are really necessary things and people still have hardware that can always update. Yeah. So hopefully it's just, you know, their, it it's their launch process.

Leo Laporte (00:43:00):
In fact, that's why I bought the M one Mac mini in the Mac studio because we had 2 20 14 IMAX that could not get past that could not go to Monterey. So,

Rene Ritchie (00:43:12):
And there was a interesting email from Craig fedi when someone was why it was taking so long for updates. And he is like, well, you can press a button at any time, but otherwise we test and we see and we test and we see, and then from like one to, was it one to six weeks or something for everybody? Good.

Leo Laporte (00:43:24):
That's fine.

Andy Ihnatko (00:43:25):
I thought, I thought that was specifically, I thought that was a very, very smart mechanism where essentially, if you ask for the update, you will get it immediately. If you don't for it, they figure, okay. He's not very, they're not very hot to trot. Let's wait a few days. Let's wait a week or two basically to balance the load. And also just in case we're we, we we've something horrible is slouching towards Dr. Bethlem to be born.

Leo Laporte (00:43:49):
Interestingly this, even if you don't update your M one, I don't know how you G N one running big Sur because they came right. I guess at older M one might be still running concern. They're still vulnerable. So you definitely wanna update and if you are running older hardware that you can't update, I don't know what to say. You'll like the M one come on in,

Andy Ihnatko (00:44:16):
Get, get Chromos on that thing. It's it's it's free. You just gotta put it on a 32 gig. There you go. You'll get, you'll get the lace browser. It'll be all the security updates

Leo Laporte (00:44:25):
In Tigo estimates that 35 to 40% of all the max. And this is an estimate. Cause Apple, doesn't say all the max use today are affected by one or both of the new of these zero days. Yeah. So that's a pretty hefty number.

Rene Ritchie (00:44:40):
And once there's doing this open season, so yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (00:44:43):
Yeah. And these are coming fast and furious. I mean, Google had two so far this year and not, not, not just like the, oh, okay. We're, we're run this out, but no critical. We, we're not telling anybody what this thing does until we actually got all these patches out twitce and it's only, and it's only the start of April.

Leo Laporte (00:45:00):
We'll keep an eye on that one. And you know, let you know if they do update big, sir, or don't yeah, I think in either case that's a big deal. Let's see, what else? Neil Cy Bart. I should, I should do. We, we, we mentioned this on a twitter as well. Apple is in a league of its own. Neil has talked before about Apple used to have a pull strategy where the most popular bestselling devices would pull along. Like the, I iPhone would pull along the rest of them like the Mac. And he says, I'm curious what you, I, you all think that now they have a push system in which every major product category is pushed forward. Simultaneously. I have to say I'm yeah. As a Mac user, I'm glad that they have kept the Mac up. Is that you think an internal choice that made or is it just something Neil's observed?

Rene Ritchie (00:45:53):
I don't think that's new. I think it just took to like the, the, the chiller doctrine is pretty famous now there's that famous slide of all the different screens. And Phil really believed that every device had to fight for survival. Like they do not care if they cannibalize stuff and it'll go back and forth. But like the iPhone has to become so good. People don't need an iPad. The iPad has to be so good. People don't need a Mac. The Mac has to be so good. They don't need like a, a desktop Mac. And then it's the job of all of those devices to push back, to fight, to prove that they have a right to keep existing. And that they've, they've made like they've fallen off on that over the years. I think they just got like too many ju they were juggling too many things at one time and didn't have a clear Mac direction before Apple, Silicon, but that's supposed to be the goal. And that really feels like what they're doing now. Cuz iPad pro is so good. And the new M one max are so good that they really are driving them forward.

Leo Laporte (00:46:40):
I just, somebody tweet come on Apple, make a dual boat boat iPad. Why can't we run? They're all M one S now why can't we run Mac O S and our

Rene Ritchie (00:46:50):
Ipad's another time to make it finger friendly that that would take like windows took a to actually transition. Yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:46:55):
You could run. I mean, you got the hardware to run me over with a

Rene Ritchie (00:46:59):
Pencil. Apple pencil would let you run it. Yeah. Cause you can hit those small targets.

Alex Lindsay (00:47:04):
Yeah. I think that, and, and I don't think, I think that Apple also one of the big advantages they have as they keep moving forward is this integration between all the heart, you know, with, within all of those things that integration doesn't always work AirPods are kind of generally a, a burning dumpster fire of, of connectivity where they're constantly jumping to different things and, and you have to really tamp that down manually. They don't that it just works. Doesn't really extend to the AirPods, in my opinion, like if you, if you actually have a lot of devices, which I do but outside of that exception, I think Apple's doing, you know, they just keep tying all these devices together tighter and tighter and tighter to where that experience is so fluid across all of them that that it's really, you know as an ecosystem, it's hard to not be in the ecosystem. It's so hard to add something to it because it's just gonna be this kind of slug, you know, like if you, if you, if you get a different watch or a different you know, oh, absolutely phone or a different least, I was

Leo Laporte (00:48:00):
Real interested in my Z flip my Sam, my galaxy Z flip, which is a great little phone. And I said, well, before I send it to Stacy, you want to, you wanna try it and see if you want it. And and I said, but it won't work with your Apple watch. And that was it. It was like, no, that was it. I'm not gonna do it. Where's the airdrop button. Yeah. Right. Not gonna do it. So I think there's really strong lock in really. If, once you've got a few Apple products, you're loaf to go anywhere else.

Alex Lindsay (00:48:29):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:48:31):
Speaking of AirPods as you probably know, the FDA is moving quickly towards making hearing aids an over the counter device which would be a huge shift. It's a very expensive right now. Hearing aids are thousands of dollars. My, my hearing aids are $6,000 and included that did not include the cost of going to an audiologist to get 'em fitted in all of that. But as we go towards this OTC hearing aid market, I think Apple will be well positioned. There's a company called olive olive union that is now starting to take ma orders for what really kind of almost looks a little bit like an AirPod the olive max hearing aids. They double as a pair of earbuds, but they are hearing aids that in fact, adjust to your hearing issues, they adapt to the situation you're in. They look a lot like regular earbuds. They're on pre-order right now. I think it's on Indigogo. Yeah. For they're actually not, you know, remember $6,000 for a pair of hearing aids, right. $299. They will be $550. Yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (00:49:40):
Well that that's that's thanks. The FDA, their attitude. I think they started the six or eight years ago sometime during the Obama administration. I think it was that they decided that technology is evolving at the, at the point where they can start to question whether certain techno technologically based therapies require the use of require the involvement of, of, of a doctor require the use of prescription. And maybe they could be converted from medical devices, into consumer devices. And one of the first things that's that qualified under this program where hearing aids and you're absolutely right. I mean, walk into like any drug store and buy a pair, buy a pair of reading glasses and just simply just keep, you know, swapping glasses until we find when actually works, walk out, we're happy. That's 10 bucks. And the ability to do that for people who have simple hearing problems that could be addressed this for three to $600 instead of 3000 to $6,000, that is real power that's, that's what, that's what that's, when that's the one, one of the cases where politics and technology work well together, realizing that no, no, one's no one's going to, no, one's gonna be hurt so long as these things are certified.

Andy Ihnatko (00:50:43):
As long as these things are actually work and do it, there's what this, so is on the label. This is such a big, big step forward for, for, for health.

Leo Laporte (00:50:50):
It hasn't happened yet. You're right. It was 2017 that this was part of the FDA reauthorization act. FDA says right now, as of, as of this time, there are no products that can be legally marketed as over the county county hearing aids. But I, I think it was their intent to get this to happen sooner than later, obviously the lobbyists have kicked in. Yeah. So I don't well, and

Alex Lindsay (00:51:14):
It, it, it, I think that the problem is the current hearing aid companies are gonna have a hard time surviving against consumer companies. Yes. You know? And so they're, you know, they're, it's also

Leo Laporte (00:51:22):
Like put a lot of audiologists out of business.

Alex Lindsay (00:51:24):
Yeah. Cuz I mean the, the reality is that Apples and many others trans mode is really something that, you know, doesn't, doesn't take very much to say, well, we're gonna use those mics. Give them back to you. I mean, you could end up with just a lot of people that what's interesting is that it just gets to, it, it, it also isn't, it doesn't have the same stigma that it used to have of, of having those hearing aids. I don't know how much stigma there is now. I know so many people with hearing aids at this point, but, but it is 

Leo Laporte (00:51:49):
It headphones, I agree that isn't really a stigma, but for a lot of people they think there is. Right. So there is definitely resistance to wearing a hearing aid. Maybe it's just kind of the acknowledgement. I'm getting old that people, but I think that don't want to do so. And that's a big problem,

Alex Lindsay (00:52:05):
I think from battery life though. I mean, especially if we get something with bigger batteries and so forth and I could see myself, I mean, I think that the other thing that's happening is there's this mixture of an earpiece. Like we'll just not call it a hearing aid or a headphone, but an earpiece that we put in that is again, when you, it, it connects us to our AR it connects us to seamlessly being part of a phone call. It, it, it might amplify things around us or turn it off, you know, and it, and it kind of is something that we wear from the time we get up until the time we go to bed. Now we can all decide whether that's a good idea or not. But the point is, is it, it, it, from an auditory perspective, it could be, you know, tying us to, to a virtual world or the rest of the world.

Alex Lindsay (00:52:42):
Yeah. All the time. Yeah. You know where it's, it's, it's, it's always in your ear. And it's, I, I have to admit when I was, I first started thinking about, this was like 25 years ago. I was working at IM and I just didn't wanna, I didn't wanna pick up the phone. I didn't want, like, I just wanted to listen to my music. I, when it rang, I could answer it and then go back to what I was doing. You got got, now it wasn't any really good. Yeah, no, you got your whole thing. Yeah. But, but I think that, that being able to say, oh, at this moment, I would like to amplify what's around me so I could really hear it. Or at this moment, I would like to turn that off and being able to just decide or what you're doing there is pretty interesting.

Andy Ihnatko (00:53:12):
Yeah. No, just, just the idea of having a phone that has a, a pretty sophisticated microphone array built into it. Being able to put that on the desk or put that on the, the, the table at a restaurant and basically, basically tell the, tell, tell your, tell the earpiece. I want to listen to the human being. That's sitting directly in front of me. I said, great. Okay. We, I, we know what a human voice sounds like. We know what direction this voice is coming from. We will dumb down every single every single other piece of noise around you and just highlight this one specific voice. It's really, really great stuff. And, and I'm, I'm, I'm totally with you for, for a long, long time. I've been, so that the, for me, the most exciting and practical use of AR is audio AR it's just simply having a little tiny little earpiece in your ear that is telling you things about the environment as you pass through it, or answering your questions or doing things for you when you ask questions of it.

Andy Ihnatko (00:54:01):
I mean, I'm not, I'm not sure how useful goggles will ever be, but I know how useful it'll be to simp simply be looking around and saying God, where, where, where is the closest drug store? And because talking to the phone in my pocket that knows GPS, because the phone knows where it's knows it's orientation. It can say, okay, look for, look for the red brick building, look F and go towards the yellow building. After about a quarter, a mile, there's a CVS on the right hand side of the road. I don't need to have like overlays on my vision to point that out to me, I'll just give, give me, give me GS, like just walking behind me or, or Yoda in my backpack. That simply tells me things that I need to know.

Alex Lindsay (00:54:40):
Well, then if you have it also on a, you, you could have it instead of saying, Hey, whatever you go, you run into a person at a party and it goes, and you go, hi. And that's the that's, that's what it says. That's Frank. That's Frank, you met him at the you know, oh yeah. Frank, isn't it been a long time since we met, he's got two kids in college and you know,

Andy Ihnatko (00:54:58):
That's

Alex Lindsay (00:54:59):
But how are the kids? Judith, Judith. And, and, and, and, and, and that's,

Andy Ihnatko (00:55:03):
And that's only fair because like, there are apps on both of our phones that are already saying, oh, Andy NAGO was next to this person. Who's who's really into Pilates. Maybe I should, if he, he's probably gonna talk to Andy about Pilates. Let's what Pilates as the next three days. Why not just say, oh, by the way, here's what we know about this person.

Alex Lindsay (00:55:20):
Yeah. The last time you don't

Andy Ihnatko (00:55:21):
Get him started on Pilates. Oh my God. He will talk your ears off

Alex Lindsay (00:55:25):
The last, the last time you left, you left talking to him. You said, never talk to him again. So you simply laugh and not walk away

Leo Laporte (00:55:32):
Bloomberg story about Apple, meta snap and others being bit by teenage hackers. Yeah. Who pretended to be law enforcement and requested customer information. According to Bloomberg Apple to provided details like a customer's address, phone number in IP address in mid 2021 in response to the forged emergency data requests. Normally such requests are accompanied by a search warrant or a subpoena, but the emergency requests, well, it's an emergency. So they don't require a court order. Snap received a forged legal request from the same hackers as not known whether they provided the data, Apple referred Bloomberg to its law enforcement guidelines, which say that somebody who requests such thing may, may be contacted and asked to confirm to Apple, that the request is legitimate. Met us, said essentially the same thing, but at least in one case bad guys did get information about Apple customers by pretending they, they were Leo's with a emergency west.

Andy Ihnatko (00:56:45):
Yeah. This, this really does underscore the pro how, how much we need to have a way of solidifying and improving identity and all of our transactions online because the, the, the number of ways in which of the number of existing technologies and systems that we have to verify that second two factor of authorization, all these other kind of technologies, there, there are ways to get around it. And this is the, and it's people who are just on on, on, on message boards who know how to do this now. Yeah. And it's like, you, you, you, you would hope that there's a better way to do this. There's you would hope that there's a given that we're all, almost all of us are carrying a biometric device in our pockets at all times. There should be a way to simply say that, okay. The one hour ago, Andy use his, use his fingerprint, use his fingerprint, unlock his phone. He is still within 18 inches of his phone. That phone has not left his, his proximity in that hour. So therefore, I'm going to radio the, this, this computer that, by the way, you can basically trust that this person is who he says he is

Leo Laporte (00:57:44):
Bloomberg quotes, a research officer at unit 2 21 B, which is a great name for a security firm Allison Nixon, who says, in every instance where these companies messed up at the core of it, there was a person trying to do the right thing. I can't tell you how many times trust and safety teams have quietly saved lives, because employees had the legal flexibility to rapidly to respond to a tragic situation unfolding for a user. That that's a, that's a, a good point. Brian Krebs on Tuesday said hackers had forged emergency data request to get information from discord, discord confirmed that it had in fact fulfilled such a request. Yeah. So but you know, this is, this is gonna always be the problem, cuz you know, there are, there are cases where you really do need this information fast and exactly,

Andy Ihnatko (00:58:37):
You know, that, that, that that's exactly the scenario. The, the, the, the part of the system that they exploited, that there's supposed to be steps and stages and firewalls. But if there is an shooter and we need to know about this person right now that that is a different mode gets kicked in. Yeah. So hope, hopefully the fact that this wasn't this particular incident doesn't seem to have been a huge national security problem, maybe that will alert Apple and metal meta to here. We need to strengthen this, cuz obviously this, we take advantage of you get worried about this things that you never hear about that no, they, this never gets reported because the people get that information. And then they just simply two years later, it has the, the knock on effects of that information. Getting out there

Leo Laporte (00:59:19):
Was this what you were talking about Rene, when you said that the auto update on iOS is not automatic. Craig Feder was asked about this. And he he said this, this ended up on on red at high. I wrote an email to Craig fedi, SVP of software engineering and Apple. How did exactly does I, us auto update work Craig responded, we incrementally roll out new iOS updates by first making them available to those that explicitly seek them out in settings, by the way, this is what Microsoft does with windows. And they even have a name for those people seekers. So seekers get it first. And then one to four weeks later, I didn't realize it was that long after we've received feedback on the update ramp up to rolling out to devices with auto update enabled. So you may find it as, as much as a month earlier just by checking. I just wanted to give the full details on that. Cause that's what you were, which

Alex Lindsay (01:00:19):
Is really smart too. There's just so many times when we end up with something that, that too soon. Oh, it would've been good too. You just, you just become, if you really want it, you're a gamma tester. They're pretty sure it's okay. But yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:00:29):
Yeah. I've, I've, I've always, I've always, I always thought that was the best mechanism for, for that way to work that if instead of saying this, the, no that your, your machine is up to date, they will basically there used to be, I don't know if still act to it, but an Android there used to be a, a way to put in developer mode where you have to tap something like just a random piece of boiler plate that happens be in settings a certain number of times where they figure that, okay, if this person has tapped this eight times in a row, they have gone to some sort of a forum and they know that that's how you activate developer mode. They know what they're doing. So yes, we can activate developer mode. Basically if someone is that interested in getting the update right now, and it is publicly available, why make this person, wait, if they've demonstrated that this, they really, really want it, give it to 'em

Alex Lindsay (01:01:12):
Right.

Leo Laporte (01:01:13):
There's a celebration happening in the Dutch dating apps sphere.

Andy Ihnatko (01:01:20):
They're swiping in the streets. Leo

Leo Laporte (01:01:24):
Swipe left, swipe left 

Andy Ihnatko (01:01:25):
Knocking, knocking wooden shoes for the damn on and looked on the day.

Leo Laporte (01:01:29):
Knocking wooden shoes. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:01:31):
The red, the red light district in, in Amsterdam is there's. You can just hear the cheers going.

Leo Laporte (01:01:36):
Cheers. The cheers Apple is, I don't know if this is capitulate, but they seem to have worked out something with the Dutch, right over this whole dating apps thing. Dutch developers, apparently only Dutch developers can now continue using Apples in app purchase system, or use a third party system within the app, or include an in-app link directing users to the developer's website to complete a, just this is that same 27% rule though. You're gonna still pay Apple 27%. So I don't know, but this is, this is a big deal, I guess, and maybe it's enough to stop the Dutch regulators from coming back, remember Apple, and if you're net

Rene Ritchie (01:02:19):
Learn and if you're a dating app, and if you usings,

Leo Laporte (01:02:22):
There's also a new entitlement option for reader apps. So Kindle yes, Netflix apps where Comicology, I guess, would qualify where you it's just an app to read content you've purchased. And Apple has PRI you know, prior to this charge, either charge 'em 30% or said, you know, sorry, you gotta, you know, you're gonna have to sell it somewhere else and buy the hope

Rene Ritchie (01:02:44):
They use telepathy to find out, by the way,

Leo Laporte (01:02:46):
You can't tell. I tell 'em you better not say anything in the app about that starting today. Apple says with the update of the app store review guideline 3, 1, 3 stroke, a developers of reader apps can now request access, request access to the external link account entitlement, this entitlement less reader apps link to a website that is owner maintained by the developer, say Amazon or Netflix so that users can create or manage their account outside the app reader, apps or apps that provide one or more of the following digital content types, magazines, newspapers, books, audio music, or video where's comics does comics cloud is the primary functionality. Yeah, well

Andy Ihnatko (01:03:30):
Technically technically, well, technically now Comicology is Amazon you, if it's sold from the Amazon site. So you have to assume that any, if it,

Leo Laporte (01:03:38):
If it let's call it a blog consider. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:03:41):
Right. So it's a Kindle lab.

Leo Laporte (01:03:42):
Some stipulations here are that to be eligible for the entitlement developers apps cannot offer in purchases on iOS or can have both.

Rene Ritchie (01:03:53):
That's actually a huge problem because a lot of apps. So like the, the historically the problem with this is there's only like you have two aggregators, Apple aggregates apps to resell in the app store. And some of those apps aggregate content to then sell through the app store. And if Apple has a 70 30 deal, and those apps have 70 30 deals, you can't have 70, 30, 30, that's just math. So they've used this, the IAP system, but let's say you have 50,000, a hundred thousand, a million IAPs. You're not gonna just turn the us off and hope that they find their way to some web interface like that. That's a huge risk liability for any company, which is why like making them choose is a big, big problem.

Leo Laporte (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:04:31):
Yeah. Also, I mean, there, the EU action last week to basically push forward the digital markets act, I don't know how any company can and believe that they're not gonna have to deal with that, that they're not gonna have to open up the app stores, whether it's it's. And it, it's still a very, very important conversation to have about whether opening the app stores is a good idea or not, but nonetheless, it really does look like this is going to be a reality game, the EU. And I hope that Apple is working. I mean, I'm sure or they are, but I'm, I'm saying that I'm hoping that they're not just simply saying we're not, you can't make us do anything we don't want to do. N Nope. Nope. Okay. Well, great. We're we're passing a law. You wanna give us 10% of your, of your worldwide income and then 20% when you, when you tell us to go, hell, we'll take it. Go ahead. It's it's a reality that they're gonna have to prepare for, and that there, there, there are other acts similar to that. They're going through Congress right now. Probably not going to pass this session, but the is the really, really big problem.

Alex Lindsay (01:05:31):
Yeah. I mean, I think that one of the things that you do when you, when you don't know if you're gonna make it or not, you lobby heavy to take out. So certain lines, you know, you wanna take out like, like this is too crazy. This is too crazy. This is too crazy. And you'll get oftentimes with the left lobby and you'll get some of those, some of those taken out. And usually those are the, what we call loopholes, you know? And so, so there's a lot of ways that, that Apple can, you know, continue to do most of, most of the stuff, you know, that's there, I mean, a lot of it to do with, with how so there's a lot of ways to kind of cut this and it, I, I haven't been able to read through all, I read the highlights, but I haven't read through the actual, I don't know if any, I don't even know if it's published yet, but the actual, all the texts I've read through the us one, and it's a mess.

Alex Lindsay (01:06:10):
I mean, it's just written by children. Yeah. But the but the, the EU one I haven't seen I haven't found the text of it. So, so the but the, the issue really is, is the, the, the delineation between developers. This is gonna be, what's important. The delineation between developers that use the Apple platform versus the developers who don't. And if Apple's able to distinguish between the two, it's gonna, you know, that being outside of the system will be worthless because it's because Apple will just have a, a developer plus that you pay a little bit more and, oh, by the way, you pay $150 more and you promise that you'll stay all your apps will stay inside of that. And then, and then, you know, because if you don't do that, you can, do you think you'll ever show up and, and this is still, this is the soft power that Apple has is that, you know, there's, it's a complete mystery on what shows up as recommendations. My guess is that if you start charging outside the system they'll show a couple to, to not look like they're doing it completely, but you're, it's a pretty uphill battle at that point. Well,

Andy Ihnatko (01:07:11):
That, that, that would be a very dangerous move because the language of the digital markets act is it's, it is designed to avoid having to go for the, these one shot, one shot, one shot lawsuits. It is designed to simply say, no, you cannot you cannot use your market position in order to in order to promote your own products over anybody else's. And so it would take a couple of years for them to, to, to, to get to the point where they're saying, yes, you're basically telling people you're, you're basically telling developers that, well, if you wanna be able to use low, lower case characters in your apps, you're gonna have to sell, sell through our app store. They're they're gonna get hit pretty hard. And you, the, and the other difficult is that I, I, I really think that the EU is gonna pass is I don't think that the us companies are gonna be able to make at nearly this kind of changes they would like to make, because you remember that they, they can, they can very effectively lobby the United States because it, the, the United States company that's, that's you see United States companies are contributing to the United States economy EU, they're saying, well, look, it doesn't, doesn't matter to us.

Andy Ihnatko (01:08:11):
You're you guys are trying to stiff us for taxes anyway, you know, we're, it doesn't, it doesn't really make 1, 1, 1 hill of beans to us, whether whether you get you you suffer from this, or you don't, you are not an EU based company. So why

Alex Lindsay (01:08:23):
Should we try to protect you? And the folks making the rules in the EU are also not very, not, not very accountable to the people and not very responsive. So in the United States, if they really screw this up and then Apple drills a whole all into that, they'll lose their position. Like, you know, they'll actually lose the election, you know, because cuz Apple's not just com campaigning right now for it not to happen. They're campaigning to lay the groundwork, to undermine anybody that has later they're they're because they're building a whole, whole thing if I told you. So I, I know I am like, so, so the thing is, is that, so the thing is there's gonna be a whole lot if I told you. So when it turns out ugly and people start being frustrated by their apps and you know, and, and I, and you know, and I think that like the CNN app just came out the CNN plus plus app or whatever.

Alex Lindsay (01:09:06):
And of course I have to subscribe to it externally. And I was like one star, like I'm, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not only am I not gonna subscribe. I'm going to give you one star, screw that, you know, and now, and then CNN, and this is, this is, watch this happen. CNN now is pushing all their videos to, you know, when you go to the website, it's all like, oh, you wanna watch a video? Oh, you have to be part of CNN plus, you know, so everything that used to be free is now you have to go into here and, and, and, you know, just welcome to it's siloed. And then it's also, again, you have to, you have to sign up for that, to their little subscription thing outside of the app store, like cuz I'm, and I'm slowly turning in the Apple TV. I'm slowly, anything with an external, including Netflix, I'm just turning off. Like I'm I don't wanna, cause we've

Rene Ritchie (01:09:45):
Talked about this before. Can you imagine if music was like this and we had to subscribe to AMC separately from Sony separately from Warners and you two is big enough and Taylor swift is big enough. They have their own services, but no, like we get all, all the music, like basically you can pick your service and you still have almost the entire same catalog, but video is becoming increasingly fragmented. And like it's worse internationally because like paramount plus in the us is a thing, but they, they want more money. So they sell just star Trek to bell. So then you get paramount plus here without star Trek, you gotta pay for something else just to get the star Trek of stuff back and it's become unmanageable. Like there's 1823 services now.

Alex Lindsay (01:10:21):
Well, and, and like for me, I, I just bought, I just got my, my my studio over the weekend. Yay. And yay.

Alex Lindsay (01:10:29):
One press of a button or, you know, in one minute I started downloading all of the stuff that's in my app store and now I have to, now I have to slowly try to figure out what the registry is for all the other apps that I have to do a serial number for. And I'm just not gonna, and here's the thing is that there's like eight of them that I'm gonna put on here and then I'm going to not buy the upgrades for the other ones. Like, I'm just like, I'm just, we have two licenses

Rene Ritchie (01:10:50):
And you have like three max, like that's like, I have like motion, VSX you get two licenses. I have three max or you get two, like from Adobe, the app store, it's like eight computer. I'm never gonna have eight max in this house.

Alex Lindsay (01:11:02):
Well, and for me, it's not even the number of max. It's just that I, I'm just not willing to go through the serial number process. And I realize that that, you know, I just don't want to do it anymore. So I'm, you know, I'm just, if it's not connected to my Apple thing, I'm just, just not gonna buy it unless it's, unless it's like really big, but anything under a hundred dollars. Forget it.

Andy Ihnatko (01:11:17):
Yeah. I, I, I, I do think that Rene you've, you've got what you you've kinda hit upon what Apple and Google and all these other companies gonna have to do. I do think they they're gonna have to fragment the app store. They they're, they're not gonna wanna accommodate the EU rules. They're going to excuse me worldwide. So they're gonna basically create here is the, here's the EU version of the iPhone here is the us version of the iPhone. They're. They will have just, just like in Russia, they do things to the installer that they do. They, they don't do in any other version of the iPhone anywhere. And it's, and I can't imagine how, if that happens, I can't imagine how difficult it be for developers to to deal with what might be like a brand new set of APIs, a brand new Xcode framework about here is what you can here here is how you can basically ask, ask what is happening and this version of the, of the store, which of your entitlements that you have been granted will apply here and which will not work here, or whether you're just gonna have to submit it to separate separate bureaucracies for each different app store in, in the world in which you wanna sell your app

Rene Ritchie (01:12:21):
And tax authorities.

Andy Ihnatko (01:12:23):
Yeah, exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:12:24):
Let's take a little break. More to come Rene Richey two years on YouTube. Any regrets?

Rene Ritchie (01:12:34):
No, not, oh one. I it's, it's fantastic.

Leo Laporte (01:12:37):
Yeah, it's going very well. We are you doing

Rene Ritchie (01:12:39):
This for a while? Leo? Like, you're like, you're like a, a trailblazer for all for Indy, you know,

Leo Laporte (01:12:43):
It's amazing. April 11th I think is our 17th anniversary of the first twit. Amazing. So 17 years. Yeah. But I don't know if that's not what you're doing really. I mean, we're just podcasters,

Rene Ritchie (01:12:57):
But yeah, but we don't, we don't have to work for the man. Leah, we don't have like eight layers of editors above us and all

Leo Laporte (01:13:01):
I work for the woman's, the I've replaced that priest, the man with

Rene Ritchie (01:13:05):
A, that's a

Andy Ihnatko (01:13:06):
Very, a very, a very smart woman who knows how to steer the ship very, very well. Who

Rene Ritchie (01:13:10):
Saves you from yourself?

Leo Laporte (01:13:11):
IM very glad to be working for the woman. Alex, Lynns the office hours.global. What, what what'd you do this week on office hours? You always got something good going,

Alex Lindsay (01:13:20):
We were talking about first. We were talking about our Mondays are kind of business. So we were talking about you know, just branding and marketing. And then today we were talking about green screen

Leo Laporte (01:13:31):
Carle.

Alex Lindsay (01:13:32):
Yeah. So you saw Carle. My, my wife was on, she that's a picture, a test plate that we had. So we really broke down how to shoot green screen and answer questions. Cool. We've done it last week, but there were so many questions that we did it again this week and then nice. And then the and then tomorrow we're, we've got this stage that we're, that we've built in our back in our, in our office it's, but that's 56 wide. And at your house deep. No, at the us at the office, we have a, we, we are using the old ILM main stage. Oh. And so, so we filled it with a bunch of lights and, and cameras and stuff like that. And so we have this incredible lighting designer ATAK and he is going to show people how he's running all the lights from his house in Delaware. So he's in Delaware and he's running, he's all these mover lights and they're all moving and, and animated and everything else and he's running them all. And so he's gonna show people and we're literally gonna have like a, a shot from the, you know, of the stage. So while he's showing them the software, the lights are moving on, stuff like that. So it should be

Leo Laporte (01:14:27):
A lot of fun office global it's now to 24 7. And Andy Anaco, who is not at any newspaper, although man, Chicago newspaper business is getting weirder and weirder.

Andy Ihnatko (01:14:44):
It's, it's always been a very, very bare knuckled, greasy hand did business. God, we love it. So

Leo Laporte (01:14:53):
Didn't, I think Chicago, Chicago public radio just bought the B E Z just bought the sun times.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:00):
That's

Leo Laporte (01:15:00):
So weird.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:02):
I have, I, I, I have I've I've I've I don't, I don't Google my former lovers. I wouldn't know. Oh, well you probably don't wanna know

Leo Laporte (01:15:09):
Then what's going on over there.

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:10):
I, I hope we had, we had a great time together. I hope that wherever they are, whoever they're with, they're very, very happy

Leo Laporte (01:15:17):
It's yeah. I mean, I think it's a good thing. Public radio and newspapers together, you know?

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:24):
Oh yeah.

Alex Lindsay (01:15:24):
I tried to do that same. I tried to do that 30 years ago with, with a newspaper, like, like we, we were the, the idea that you could tie the two of them together makes total sense. Yeah. And be able to have promotions and information and integrate them between the two totally is it's a,

Leo Laporte (01:15:38):
It's really become public service too, because they actually had to get donations 61 million in donations to complete the sale. And and it's all from philanthropy. So it's a really an interesting and to idea to,

Andy Ihnatko (01:15:52):
To be honest, the sometimes has been the victim of so many terrible owners with, and, and such terrible finances, just robbers and sheets and short fingered Bulgars fingered, vulgar,

Leo Laporte (01:16:07):
Arians,

Andy Ihnatko (01:16:10):
Andro.

Andy Ihnatko (01:16:12):
And, and on that, that was one of the reasons why, like there, there come, there were some problems that we couldn't resolve and I, I, and I decided to go, yeah. So I'm, and, but it's such a, such a beautiful trans tradition. It is. There's just something about a newspaper that has a hundred years behind it that has a reputation that has a, has a position inside a city, a city that one of the few remaining is that it ha is a two newspaper city where there are people who read the sometimes or people who read the trip, Trump and yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:16:40):
And there's two really different paths, right? So Trump is very much about financial financial ownership. And, and I love seeing the sometimes go the public route. And I think this is gonna an interesting comparison. I have. This should happen to more newspapers. This is a very, I think a very interesting idea. Anyway, sorry to bring up the old girlfriend 9%. I apologize. These new,

Andy Ihnatko (01:17:06):
The new relationship of GB news.org.

Leo Laporte (01:17:08):
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Rene Ritchie (01:20:07):
Yeah. The Antica culture people are trying to cancel him. It's amazing. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:20:10):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:20:12):
Ken Bach, who's a representative from I think Colorado, Colorado. Yeah. Yeah. He took it down. He tweeted and of course, nothing, nothing ever goes away on the internet. He, he tweeted that he wanted to use antitrust legislation against Apple to smash woke capital. You know, interesting. The, the

Rene Ritchie (01:20:41):
Thing is like their tweets are like night and day. Every second tweets is something completely opposite from the tweet before. And it's dizzying, it's just dizzying of performative.

Leo Laporte (01:20:49):
It's performative, it's popularly playing to the, you know, the base. Yeah. So although as Tector points out there are plenty of monopolies, Ken buck likes, including the telecom monopoly, which is probably oh, gas too. Yeah. And gas and yeah. And on and on and on. But if you're a woke, oh boy,

Rene Ritchie (01:21:11):
You notice no one ever even talks about regulating telecom, they pay so much money. They get completely

Leo Laporte (01:21:16):
Free. It's completely, you know, why they pay so much money to the legislators. Yeah. Shake down the tweet that antitrust is the best way to smash woke capital and protect our kids, companies that grow to colosal size, monopoly size, use their power to change. Yeah. To change politics and make more profit. This power is a function of their wealth and control over the economy. At some point, they start to control the information flow on our democracy. We end up like at and Verizon and Comcast. We end up being governed by the CEOs of monopolies and their hard left employee base. Ooh.

Rene Ritchie (01:21:53):
National football league.

Andy Ihnatko (01:21:54):
Well, thank well. Well thank well. Well thank God. Those, those, those barefoot hippies, the Koch brothers would, are not abusing their, their money and their power in the energy industry to, to try to affect political discourse this country, I

Leo Laporte (01:22:06):
Guess I shouldn't be surprised by this at ever. Right. It's just more of the, well

Andy Ihnatko (01:22:10):
Also. Yeah. Also, because like he's interesting in that he is, he's one of the few Republicans who's absolutely. He hasn't exactly spoke, spoken against weakening section two 30, the communications decency act, which is the usable like rah moment for Republican and camera hogs. He really is all about antitrust. He really, really is all about new regulations to prevent mergers, to, to reduce the power of large companies. So this is this, this is he, he is very, very much a member of the G O P but it's, he, he seems to see the world in terms of antitrust, antitrust, antitrust, our weapon against big, big, big company, or exactly. And, and they're using it towards the, towards this issue. And that thank goodness for, for, for Apple, they're absolutely doing the right thing. They're we saw with Disney, how, you know, what, if you don't stand when you, when you, when, when you have a law that is going to be deeply offensive, anger, inducing, rage, Dingly, offensive to a large percentage of your workforce that are gonna be directly affected by idiotic laws as a CEO, you can't just simply wash your hands of it.

Andy Ihnatko (01:23:22):
You have to basically keep your happy because they're, they're, they're all over this country and all over this world. And Apple real Apple is not one of the Apple is, is a company that does lots of lobbying on its own. They don't do a whole lot of like justices lobbying as far as I know, as far as I I've been reading. But they, they pick their battle very, very correctly because is, again, if this is, this is almost a gosh, this is this, I believe this is an issue where you are on one side of this or the other side of this. And if you profess to not have an opinion, we know your answer. And so a CEO of of Tim cook stature has to weigh in, in this. It has to bring the, might have this fully operational battle station against, against this terrible law.

Leo Laporte (01:24:11):
It's pretty candid lobbying. As an example, Apple's senior director of corporate communications, Fred saints sent a letter to leaders of fellow fortune 500 companies asking them to announce an order by the Texas government that caused called for child abuse, investigations of parents who provide transgender children with gender affirming care. He wrote I'm reaching out. Yeah, I'm reaching out child abuse. Thank you. I'm reaching out from Apple because we're hoping you'll join us and lend your company's name to a critical issue. Apple has joined the effort and will lend its name and logo. He said in the email, I'm reaching out because we're hoping you will too. Ultimately, 60 other organizations signed onto the letter was published in the Dallas morning news. Last one. Yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (01:24:56):
That, that in itself is a huge deal. It's, it's one thing for Tim cook to issue a press release or write letters to, to, to, to certain people basically saying that you can use the bull logo, our most valuable piece of IP to to, to stand on one side of this issue. That is pretty emphatic, that, that that's, that's, it's hard to overstate what a big step that is

Leo Laporte (01:25:20):
Iowa state Senator Zach nun told Fox news, Apple framed the law as part of a social agenda rather than fairness. Actually he's talking about, I think title 11, but anyway for women's sports, oh, this is the transgender ban of transgender women in sports that becomes a concerning issue. When we have a major industry attempts to come in and force public policy based on an agenda they may have in a boardroom, a out of state,

Speaker 7 (01:25:50):
They anti supremacy. It's amazing.

Alex Lindsay (01:25:51):
Well, and I think that, I think that one of the things that we're, we are going to see over the next decade is this fight between, and we're seeing this in the EU, we're seeing this in a lot of places, is the fight for relevancy, for governments. You know, you have these big companies and you know, and, and, you know, we can, with all of these, I think that the, the, the reality is, is that the governments are, you know, when you talk about any kind of antitrust, I think that there is a, there is a growing concern that they have, which is probably well, well, well based that they're not gonna to matter much anymore, you know? And, and so they're trying to figure out because they're, they're losing the control to do that. And the reality is, is that there's probably not very much they can do about it.

Alex Lindsay (01:26:31):
Like the corporations are going to become more powerful in being able than, than any given government, if they keep on going the direction that they're going. So that's why antitrust what I've been saying for a long time is that antitrust is going to be the battle of the next of our decade. Yeah. Because, because it's because what's happening is, is the governments are no longer. They just don't, they, they don't have the wherewithal because these are big global corporations. They move things around. And, and they have the money to lobby. I mean, again, to go back to the telecommunications you know, thing is that it is crazy. Like what's happen. I mean, they are literally doing damage to our society by not by, by controlling telecommunications the way, I mean, like, this is a real problem, as opposed to like the app store. I mean, this is actual an actual problem that affects many, many communities you know, in lots of different ways. And no one talks about them, no one in Congress talks about them at all. You know, and they've just kind of decided that because they stay in their, you know, they stay in their lane and they don't, you know, they don't do anything else. And it's, and, you know, we, we really have to start thinking, you know, we have to start thinking what's next because, you know, the, the, the way it's

Leo Laporte (01:27:35):
Happened, kind, a contrarian on this, I, I don't think corporations should weigh in on politics at all. I think individuals can, if Tim cook wants to write a letter, he absolutely should write a letter. This all goes back to citizens United, which basically the Supreme court ruled that corporations can have, can spend unlimited money on all elections. That's a big, in my opinion, that's one of the biggest problems in the country. I don't think corporations on either I happen to agree with Apple's point of view, but I don't think corporations on either side people, money is not speech. I disagree with the Supreme court decision. And I think this is one of the biggest problems we have in this country right now. Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (01:28:18):
I, I do think that those are two different issues. Again, I think that at some point when you're controlling a company of this, the size of Apple, that means that how many tens of thousands of people that are, that are working for you are being hurt by a, a, what is absolutely UN in this case, undeniably a bad law. Okay. and those you, Well, I,

Leo Laporte (01:28:42):
I understandably, but, okay. No, I, I agree with you,

Andy Ihnatko (01:28:46):
Those, those people are dopes. Yeah. Those people are dopes, but at, at some point you have to you

Leo Laporte (01:28:52):
To terrible people sphere. Is it something they should be commenting on? Okay. I mean, I think Tim cook, I,

Andy Ihnatko (01:29:01):
I do, I do believe, I do believe so

Rene Ritchie (01:29:03):
Tell there's nobody left to comment.

Leo Laporte (01:29:04):
Well, individuals should absolutely get involved and, and contribute and do everything they can. I just, I think corporations have so much might and so much money.

Rene Ritchie (01:29:13):
A huge problem though. It's like governments are losing, like they've lost the moral authority. Like even the, the thin veneer of moral authority. They, we pretended to have in the fifties, sixties and seventies, when people at least tried to be nice outside, you know, outside where the other people could see them. It's just like, I, I don't wanna be pessimistic about this cause I am an optimistic person at heart. But like the, the stuff that, that goes on publicly shamelessly, like could continuously w would just you, I remember, I remember like people with width of impropriety and people would have to resign, or they couldn't run for office, or they couldn't do anything. And now you have people basically baseball at batting each other on the streets every day and they don't resign. Like it, it's just, there is no moral authority left. And I think it's, it's unfortunately falling to some of the, some of the larger corporate leaders for good or for ill, because some of them I agree with. And some of them, I don't is a terrible vacuum of leadership, just not, not even in America, but just around the world right now. We see people partying in, in England getting fined now, too. It's like, it's absolutely ridiculous what we're putting up with these days. We'd fire these people. If they were employees in a heartbeat,

Leo Laporte (01:30:16):
I had to go to the way back machine to find this cuz Microsoft has since deleted the tweet, but on the, at account, they tweeted spring cleaning, check out these tips on how to clean and run your device safely and smoothly from Microsoft's Carmen's latte. What is that device? She's running, it matches her hair. This

Rene Ritchie (01:30:34):
Apple, Apple got rid of the logo. And this finally paid off. This is the whole reason they did it. So that one day the windows account tweet without thinking. And

Leo Laporte (01:30:41):
I a and of course you know what? Let's put it this way. Microsoft is not anti Apple anymore, but this iMac is clearly not running windows. It's an M one.

Rene Ritchie (01:30:50):
That's why it's so clean.

Leo Laporte (01:30:52):
Well

Andy Ihnatko (01:30:52):
Full too well, cuz you know, the Macs is a spool of viruses and malware and fishing

Rene Ritchie (01:30:57):
Windows.

Andy Ihnatko (01:30:59):
It just, it just, it keeps, it keeps itself clean. No one has to worry about windows. They they're, they're helping these poor little backwater users with their, with their 9.8% of the, of, of the desktop market. Can't can't protect themselves.

Andy Ihnatko (01:31:15):
Not less Microsoft.

Leo Laporte (01:31:16):
I saw the trailer for this and I got really excited, especially cuz it's David, David Attenborough narrating it coming. It looks so to Apple TV plus. Yeah. So if you liked planet earth, which I loved in Attenborough also planet and tiny well, but this is coming from the planet earth folks. The BBC studios, natural history unit. I got it. Can I play this? Am I allowed to play this? It's an Apple TV to

Rene Ritchie (01:31:45):
That'll make it fair. Use

Leo Laporte (01:31:46):
Fair use. I think those are so cool. So it, it it's just like planet earth, you know, except

Rene Ritchie (01:31:53):
That S are super realistic.

Leo Laporte (01:31:55):
Yes. It's got dinosaurs join

Rene Ritchie (01:31:58):
For, with feathers.

Speaker 8 (01:31:58):
I never heard On a scale. You've never witnessed

Rene Ritchie (01:32:06):
Do such beautiful work.

Speaker 8 (01:32:10):
This is prehistoric planet only on Apple TV.

Leo Laporte (01:32:15):
So is that CGI? I guess it is the video. The dinosaurs that you're not real.

Alex Lindsay (01:32:20):
It is so much CGI

Leo Laporte (01:32:22):
On location. Don't tell

Alex Lindsay (01:32:23):
Alex

Leo Laporte (01:32:24):
You're doing it filmed on location. Spoilers.

Alex Lindsay (01:32:27):
Tell you the other one is better. The other one with,

Leo Laporte (01:32:29):
Oh, lemme show you the one with the turtles. Yeah. This

Alex Lindsay (01:32:32):
You, this

Leo Laporte (01:32:32):
Really, I won't play the whole thing, but this really play the whole thing. Play the whole thing. You gotta see the watch. Watch

Speaker 8 (01:32:37):
On the shore. Oh the ancient te sea And hundreds of tiny turtle hatchings are on the move

Leo Laporte (01:32:49):
So far instinctively just like planets race

Speaker 8 (01:32:51):
Towards the safety of the water.

Rene Ritchie (01:32:53):
I mean it's gonna be happening

Leo Laporte (01:32:54):
Today. Well, I think that video footage is from planet earth except instead of littering snakes,

Speaker 8 (01:32:59):
Spotted by hunter

Leo Laporte (01:33:03):
For just as the true grilled bestows life, the false grilled, The hunter in this case, feathers Is a baby,

Speaker 8 (01:33:15):
A young T-Rex

Leo Laporte (01:33:17):
T-Rex

Speaker 8 (01:33:17):
Still sporting a juveniles. Feathery

Rene Ritchie (01:33:20):
Looks like a Turkey.

Leo Laporte (01:33:24):
I presume this is packed by the latest science, you know, and all that. Their birds instinct. They're they're still with us. They're birds,

Speaker 8 (01:33:32):
But

Leo Laporte (01:33:33):
I still find it hard to believe that T-Rex had those digital arms, but watch out here comes mama. This

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
Could take some time.

Leo Laporte (01:33:43):
So David Abu, I'm sorry. So great. So David a and here comes mama A little bit bigger,

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
A full grown Jesus,

Rene Ritchie (01:33:55):
Chinese Xbox controllers,

Speaker 8 (01:33:56):
Moose, powerful creditor.

Leo Laporte (01:33:59):
I know this probably wasn't done with real engine five

Speaker 8 (01:34:04):
Father,

Leo Laporte (01:34:04):
But it's, it feels like it does not feel like CGI. I have to say. Yeah, it's really amazing. Like

Rene Ritchie (01:34:10):
Alex identifies CGI by the textures. Do you know what company did it? When you look at

Leo Laporte (01:34:13):
It, Alex, can you tell

Alex Lindsay (01:34:15):
MPC? I know thatp did

Leo Laporte (01:34:18):
It. Oh, you right. It was MPC. They did the lion king and the jungle book. Those, those both of those, the Disney live action mixed with CGI. Alex is superpower, but yeah, very impressive.

Alex Lindsay (01:34:30):
I didn't know it because of that. You read that press. There's a whole bunch of us on CG. Well, there's a bunch of us on a CG list that ah, have been talking about it for a couple days now. Yeah. So the but the it's incredible work. I mean, there is, it's just so much fun and Apple's really flexing because it's so expensive to do what they're doing. Like this is now they're in the real money, you know, like of doing all CG and you know, the, like you watch that little T-Rex running then all little sand prints can't

Leo Laporte (01:34:57):
To watch watch.

Alex Lindsay (01:34:57):
It's not just a T-Rex it's the little sand print and all

Leo Laporte (01:35:00):
I can't wait to watch. So nice. Yeah. So they're also gonna do something interesting. It's five episodes and you know, in the past, what Apple's done with new series is they've released three and then next week, then another one and next week, another one, this, this time they're gonna do it Monday through Friday, five days in a row, May 3rd through 27th, which I think is very interesting. Well, there would be a crossover jurasic central park.

Alex Lindsay (01:35:25):
That

Leo Laporte (01:35:25):
Would be fun.

Andy Ihnatko (01:35:27):
Dinosaur version of friends.

Leo Laporte (01:35:29):
Ju central park. That's central park. Yeah. They wanna break Andy. And of course who else, but Han Zimer doing the score. Yeah. this is, you know what I don't, I'm not sure I want Apple spending money in politics. They can spend all the money they want on Apple TV shows like this, cuz honestly, no network would do this.

Alex Lindsay (01:35:49):
It just doesn't. Yeah. There's no financial reason to do this. You know, I mean, I mean, there is a financial reason, but there's no like broadcast traditional, like, and the BBC did something like this, I think called dinosaurs. So they definitely did did something like this in the past. That was like the, the idea was like this, but it OB it did not have anywhere near the budget. This one

Leo Laporte (01:36:08):
Does. Yeah. It's

Alex Lindsay (01:36:09):
Just, it's that's that's you just hear the money just rolling out in truckloads to pay for the, just that trailer worth of, of visual effects it a whole series like wow. And I, and I love, I have to admit, I've thought about this for years that someone should do do one that it really makes you feel like you're there with, with Attenborough and everything else. And when I, as soon as I saw it pop out, I was just like, oh my goodness, this is gonna be so awesome. So hopefully my expectations are painfully high. That's the only thing I'm worried about.

Leo Laporte (01:36:38):
I'll so announced for Apple TV. Plus if you are a big fan of Ted lasso, they've got its co-creator show runner, bill Lawrence to create a new show for them called shrinking a 10 episode comedy series, starring Jason Siegel and Harrison Ford in deadline. The, the, the line is Ford who is joining shrinking after lengthy negotiations, which I, I, I would read between the lines to say he got a lot of money. So I don't, has he done TV before? I don't think so.

Alex Lindsay (01:37:12):
I don't think so. No, he was his first time.

Andy Ihnatko (01:37:14):
He did. He did. He did. He did one appearance on young Indiana Jones Chronicles. And

Leo Laporte (01:37:19):
Of course I remember forget the star wars, Christmas holiday. Special of course.

Andy Ihnatko (01:37:23):
Well, we, we try to forget, but it keeps coming back.

Alex Lindsay (01:37:28):
So it has been a while

Leo Laporte (01:37:30):
Since he did yes. Any TV, he plays a a a psychiatrist, a grieving therapist who, oh, no, I'm sorry. Siegel play is a grieving therapist who starts to break the rules and tell his clients exactly what he thinks. Okay. Ford will play Dr. Phil Rhode, a down to earth, sharpest attack, blue collar, shrink blunt, but with an ever present twitnkle. Okay. Anyway well, you know, I look forward to it again, you got the, you got the scratch. You can get movie stars to, to appear on TV.

Andy Ihnatko (01:38:09):
I guess. I guess I, I, I, I guess I, they got, 'em a deal on a G five or something. It's like, what, what, what helicopter do you want? What, what licenses have not been taken away from you yet? Harrison, we will get you the best aircraft,

Leo Laporte (01:38:22):
Whatever you want. You can still fly whatever you want. Iphone builds. Now this, I don't know if this is true. This comes from loop capital. In a research note, iPhone builds have dropped another 9 million, 254 million saying additional cuts are coming in the not too distant future. The orders for 2022 are expected to range for the entire year between 2 45 and 250 million. The se is gonna have its orders cut by 20 million. Why services, services, baby? Also smaller iPhones have a finite following. Yeah,

Rene Ritchie (01:39:08):
It's also like, well, some of these you have like, you have to be very careful with these because some of them are just stock manipulation, like blatant patent stock manipulation, and you can see the headline come up and it'll disappear. It'll that's

Leo Laporte (01:39:18):
Why mentioned

Rene Ritchie (01:39:18):
It, but even major publications yeah. Will be like no byline and it'll disappear and it's really startling, but it's also like we've seen this before. Like whenever there's a Supercycle, you're Notre magically creating new customers. You're pulling customers forward. That's why, when there was massive spend on the iPhone six, the, and success didn't do as well. It's like, you're not gonna just, not all of them are gonna go buy another iPhone immediately. And we had massive spend on consumer electronics in 2020 trailing into 2021. As everybody was stuck at home, they were all buying new things. Everyone was upgrading. There was a major upgrade with the iPhone 12 iPhone 13 as well. So you're pulling those customers forward and now we'll get probably like the low season before we get to iPhone 14. And some of that is just, I believe it's just like the iPhone se isn't selling well, but it's really all it is, is that is a 5g previous iPhone se, which is, you know, halfway through its lifespan. And they're gonna shift some of that to the iPhone 13 though, the larger sizes which are doing well. And they'll address it with a larger, cheaper iPhone and the iPhone 14. So it it's like a combination of all these factors and Apple will tell you every earnings call don't look at one report because our, our supply chain is incredibly complicated. And if we give you any advice, please listen to that advice. Don't look at just one thing. So we'll get their numbers, but I always, I always take these numbers with a grain of salt.

Leo Laporte (01:40:33):
Yeah. Garman is saying, he said it on March 26th, couple of days ago, Apple and we've heard before is considering launching a rugged watch this year. Oh, wait a minute. This is from a year ago. Nevermind. Forget it. This isn't a news story. This is an old story that I just got the date wrong. Nevermind. We've been hearing this report. He said it would happen maybe in 2021 that did not happen maybe in 2022. Still something,

Rene Ritchie (01:40:57):
I dunno, if you saw John Prosser, his video where he said that like his mistake was he got, he thought everything that was coming last, the things that he reported us as coming last year, actually coming this year or next year that he was two years ahead instead of one year ahead. So he is gonna take a little, a little sabbatical from the rumors for well, calm down and then reassess where in their timeline they actually fit. So that flattened watch, he thinks is more likely for this year and that flat, backed iPhone more likely for next year.

Leo Laporte (01:41:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, would you like to boot system seven or system eight on your Mac? Well, I can boot it on my Linux machine. Here we go.

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:35):
Nicest writer.

Leo Laporte (01:41:38):
I still use nicest writer. They still have it. So this is actually a JavaScript version of let's see how how real, oh, look at that CPU energy saver. It's not installed. Put it in the control panels and Reese start. Okay. Wow. Gimme

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:57):
Ram doubler and test doubler.

Leo Laporte (01:41:59):
Let

Andy Ihnatko (01:41:59):
Let's freely test this out.

Leo Laporte (01:42:01):
Portables. What's that? Let's see what's in here. Portable PowerBook file assistant. Oh, wow. Okay. that's what they mean? Not, not iPads. Let's play a game. Shall we? Shall we a game? Dark castle. Oh. Do they have dark castle on here? Yes they do. They have lots F 18 Hornick oh, wait a minute. Should we play glider? Remember what? That was a really popular game. Yeah. Right. Let's see. Room editor, glider for 68 KMX or for power PC. I don't know what I'm. I don't know what I'm running. 

Andy Ihnatko (01:42:36):
I don't know. I don't know what lie I'm telling you

Leo Laporte (01:42:38):
Here. Do we want two colors? Let's go for 16 color. Oh, look at this new keyboard. Switching default keyboard controls. Okay. This was a great game on the Mac. Yeah. I don't know if I can get past the splash screen though. Maybe I don't have the right keyboard. Let's see new game. You've

Rene Ritchie (01:42:58):
Gotta do a studio. Just play

Leo Laporte (01:42:59):
Da Leo. Yeah, clearly. Oh, here it is. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh. I gotta figure out the keyboard,

Andy Ihnatko (01:43:08):
The original Flay bird and no birds were harmed in this

Leo Laporte (01:43:12):
Game. The goal was to keep this glider going by pressing the right buttons. But I apparently don't have the,

Andy Ihnatko (01:43:18):
There, there are air events on the floor and yeah, yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:43:21):
Yeah. This was a fun game. Yeah. Game over man. Game over. Let's see. Options controls. Here we go. Hold keyboard drop keyboard mouse, or just do mouse. Okay. Okay. Okay. Maybe I can play it now. I really now I'm really anxious. We'll do dark castle in a bit. Oh yeah. Look. Oh yeah. Easier with mouse. Whoa. Okay. That's enough of that. All right. Let's get outta this. I guess I can't sorry guys. I'm stuck.

Andy Ihnatko (01:43:59):
Well it's if it's system seven, maybe it's just frozen.

Leo Laporte (01:44:06):
The, you also have, that was system seven. There's also Mac OS eight. This is thanks to a guy named Miha PA, PA Rita. And you just run it in your browser system, seven.app or Mac OS eight.app. Those are the websites. That's pretty cool. Nicely.

Andy Ihnatko (01:44:28):
It's amazing that Java, that JavaScript can be executed that quickly. Yeah. I mean, I'm I knowing a very, very old machine. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But I mean, JavaScript, JavaScript is, was never designed to, it was designed to be ambitious, but boy, the developments that been happening in safari and Chrome to make it a make a container for apps to be that responsive. It's something that's, I, I, I, I enjoy being this old to have be able to appreciate the trick that they've pulled off there.

Leo Laporte (01:44:58):
Andy, you wanted nicest writer. Did you play it? Here we go. Nicest. Oh, air 12. Dang. NA it, ah I'll have to figure that I'll have to Debu that. Wow. This is kind of AMA, this really brings back some memories.

Andy Ihnatko (01:45:15):
Yeah. Wow. There's, there's something, there really is something about like, I don't, it's not just nostalgia it's that it was a style. It was, it's like a, just like there's a style of music. There's a style of filmmaking, those big pixels that they, the small on a real estate that forced developers to not clutter up the interface that much. And yeah, it really does when you get to, when you get back to like a, a really good later version of Mac, right. Or HyperCard, I, I still wish that there were a real HyperCard for, for the iPad. And I, I know, I know that. I know that we have, we have

Leo Laporte (01:45:52):
Agree. It's nothing, this,

Andy Ihnatko (01:45:53):
No. And I know the swift playgrounds is HyperCard times a thousand, but yeah, the, the, the, the fun of just putting graphics on a card and then just a button that takes this, it's

Leo Laporte (01:46:01):
A thousand more complicated too. That's the problem. Yeah,

Andy Ihnatko (01:46:03):
Exactly.

Leo Laporte (01:46:04):
Hulu has added share, play support for iPhone and iPad users. Woohoo. Woo. Good for you. Who good for you? Here's a new app from epic game that lets you, oh, you know about this reality scan. I think you told us about this didn't you Alex?

Alex Lindsay (01:46:20):
I did not, but I think it's great. A

Leo Laporte (01:46:22):
Free 3d scanning app in development in collaboration with quick cell turns your iPhone into photos into high fidelity 3d models.

Alex Lindsay (01:46:33):
Yeah. I, I started, I just downloaded it last yesterday. Okay. So I haven't haven't, you know, it's, it's a, there's a, by the way, if you are listening to this and you can get into it, you have to make the request for the test test. It's the first 10,000 people to make a request for the test flight right now. And so I jumped on it as soon as I saw it, someone sent it to me. And so

Leo Laporte (01:46:54):
She's doing photogrammetry basically, right? She's running her phone around her chair and creating a 3d officer.

Alex Lindsay (01:47:00):
Yeah. And this is, this is utilizing reality capture, which is a company that, that epic bought, I think a year or two ago. And so there's a lot of heavy tech. This isn't like just hacked together. This is a lot of heavy tech and this is a mixture of using, I believe actually I haven't, I don't look, but in my early plane with it, it appears to be a mixture of LIDAR and photogrammetry, which we've always thought is gonna be kind of the holy grail, which is that the LIDAR means that I can very, very quickly know where the camera is in relationship to the object which means it'll be much more accurate. And they'll set a, a framework of accuracy across that piece. The photogrammetry adds all the detail and the textures back into it. And so I think that and it's really, the UI is really nice even in the test flight version. So I'm, I'm pretty excited about it. I haven't had time. We yesterday I downloaded it, but it was a really busy day. So I haven't really dug into it. But, but I think that the, the UI is really, really nice. The performance looks really, really good. I would highly recommend trying to download it right now. If you're listening,

Leo Laporte (01:48:10):
Yeah. 10,000 will be gone fast. Exactly. Look at this arm chair as I zoom into it, the it's actually amazing. The detail is white.

Alex Lindsay (01:48:21):
Remember this is, this is also, what's coming to, this is gonna, this potentially can be a great app to generate SD Z files for what I do think Apple will talk about WWC. So, so I think that, I think we're gonna probably, I mean, every, every time Apple does a keynote, I know I say this, but I keep on thinking that eventually keynote's gonna let us put those objects into keynote. And

Leo Laporte (01:48:43):
So here's the

Alex Lindsay (01:48:44):
Question presentations will be had,

Leo Laporte (01:48:45):
Well, Apple invite epic games onto the stage to show capturing reality.

Alex Lindsay (01:48:50):
There's

Leo Laporte (01:48:50):
Not, not Tim epic. No, no. So this is, this is I guess, from epic games. So that's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Postpartum exercises are coming to Apple fitness plus. That's good. It's getting better all the time.

Alex Lindsay (01:49:05):
I'm excited. I, I know I,

Leo Laporte (01:49:08):
Somebody crazy made the world's first Android phone with the lightning port don't. You love it. Just amazing. I love that so much.

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:17):
Don't tell me I can't do

Leo Laporte (01:49:18):
Something. He did. I've

Andy Ihnatko (01:49:21):
Got I've I've got sources in China. I can make whatever I

Leo Laporte (01:49:23):
Want. He actually made a, with a working USBC port. Now he's doing an Android fund with a lightning. Well far is fairly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. I guess he shows he could do anything. And if you are a clean my Mac X user from Macal, remember, we've talked about Mac pro. They are a Ukrainian company. They have now added features to clean my Mac X that will dis discover malicious software from Russia or bell Russ. So if any of the applications are developed by or hosted in Russia, be RO clean MYM Mac X, we'll mark them as suspicious. If it's you know, meta shape and you from AGI soft and you, oh, it's okay. You can unmark it. But yeah, this is interesting. And they're pointing out in the 2016 Russia obliged all online services and providers with a presence in Russia to store date, user data on servers in Russia, which the FSB can access on requests without a core orders. So yeah, I guess you probably don't want to be sending any important data back to Russia. Finally, I fix its tear down. You mentioned this at the studio display, is it secretly an iMac? Now that's a provocative headline. It

Rene Ritchie (01:50:43):
Pretty much is though. Like if you took out the, if you took out the a 13 and stuck in an M one, have a half bad computer there,

Andy Ihnatko (01:50:49):
You know, it just, you know, getting back to what you were saying earlier, Rene, it just seems a little bit weird to on, on a, on a, on a display, that's this expensive that has so much power and so much storage beyond what a, what, what a TV screen needs to have. What, why not put wifi into it? Why not put Bluetooth into it and already people are speculating with the 64 gigs of, of, of storage you're for, why are you gonna like suddenly create a bigger mystery by saying, and it also happens if, if any, if anything, it would like maybe squash rumors cuz, oh, well, no, they, oh, clearly they just had like the, all these chips, all these chips left over, they may as well put the, put them in there. It's, it's easier to, it's easier to basically put all this, this entire platform in there as one, rather than to delete hardware that maybe this chip is expecting to be interfaced to. But cuz boy would that, would that be interesting if, if those, if those radios were there,

Rene Ritchie (01:51:45):
Understanding is like, they were just, they were just stuck at home and they started to understand why so many of us were complaining about the LG display because they, they weren't at work with all their big IMAX and everything. And they, they wanted to get back into displays, but you have to say, you're gonna differentiate it. And they're like, you will do the Apples and stuff. We'll make it, do all the stuff that the MacBook displays have been doing. And then it was just like you said, it was cheaper at scale to just throw basically iPad nine parts in there. Cuz those are on the previous legacy. Like the previous. No, so there's no, there's no constraint on those and they could just ship it.

Leo Laporte (01:52:14):
One of the reasons is so thick as it has this power supply built in. We've talked about that. There's no brick. Yeah, it's inside. And I fix, it was kind of blown away by the power supply. They said, first of all, that's the reason you've got these big fans because the power supply generates a lot heat in the a 13, but also they were impressed that there are cutouts for the capacitors. They said, we've never seen this before. Apple never does it. The easy way. It's a huge amount of engineering effort and cost to design a slim power supply like this. It's actually a two-parter and you could see the capacitors are kind of set into the the, the board itself, which is kind of wild. So this explains by the way, why the studio display is thicker than the iMac. IIX said, if they've gone with an external power, why it would've been the same, same as the iMac and you wouldn't have to have all these fans and everything. It's very interesting.

Rene Ritchie (01:53:11):
Kinda got

Leo Laporte (01:53:11):
Mac safe, Jack elope product. But yeah, you know, Apple had some time on their hands, decided the display that secretly in iMac,

Rene Ritchie (01:53:22):
Mark Edwards, Aang go has a wonderful article of about Y the five X, the 5k at two X like perfect retina, like native resolution is so important to designers and developers. And he, he had, of course he made all the nerdy grids and showed you all the different where, where pixels fall on those grids. But there's a lot of very, very happy developers and designers who don't have to make their eyes bleed anymore by pick by pixel scaling,

Leo Laporte (01:53:45):
Running at 38 40 by 2160. So it's exactly two X, 10 80 P wait a minute. Now that's the 4k,

Rene Ritchie (01:53:54):
It's two, it's two X, the NA the previous, it it's two X, the basic 27 inch original iMac. It's it's a retina perfect retina.

Leo Laporte (01:54:01):
Perfect retina. Okay. It's 186 P PI the ideal Mac display PPI for desktops is two 20. Hmm. Interesting. I, I will read this. Thank you. Yeah,

Rene Ritchie (01:54:16):
He's

Leo Laporte (01:54:16):
A smart go. Good. They do software iStat menus, which is awesome. And snowflake, which I also paid for some awesome stuff

Rene Ritchie (01:54:24):
And scallop, which he keeps teasing, but is yet released even though it's been

Leo Laporte (01:54:27):
What's scholar gonna be

Rene Ritchie (01:54:30):
Scholar's his interface designer. It's people have gotten sneak peeks of it, but I think it's like just next generation interface designer, which I'm waiting for. Mark. Please ship that already.

Leo Laporte (01:54:39):
Hmm. And icon design tool. Yeah. All right. Let's take a final break in we'll get your picks of the week. If you, you don't mind coming up in just a second. As we continue with MacBreak Weekly, our show today brought to you by cashflow. I mean, quite literally brought to you by cash. It's our CDN our content delivery network. How do we know how good cash is? We've been using them practically since the beginning, early days of twit, we were released to struggling getting all the audit, just the audio out to you and Matt Levine of cash like called and said, we can help. And they have been, we've been using 'em for more than a decade. And when we went to video cash was there. Now they're there for live streaming video. This is amazing. They're ultra low latency video streamings. Now I'm not talking web RT.

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Rene Ritchie (01:57:27):
Pick

Leo Laporte (01:57:27):
Of the week.

Rene Ritchie (01:57:29):
So I've got two. I, I had one pick, but then I just saw the, the, the tr Picard season two is not even finished yet. And there's a trailer that just came out for Picard season three. And if you're not following this paramount remembered that they had a star Trek property and decided to actually start making shows again. So now there's like a billion of the volunteers.

Leo Laporte (01:57:46):
Yeah. There's more than there's more star Trek coming.

Rene Ritchie (01:57:49):
Yeah. There's discoveries on season, just finished season four, brave new strange new worlds, which is about the captain pike enterprise is about to come out. Oh, that's

Leo Laporte (01:57:57):
The one

Rene Ritchie (01:57:58):
We animated shows.

Leo Laporte (01:57:58):
Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (01:57:59):
Yeah. and universally, they're like, they're gorgeous. Like the effects work, the sound design, the cinematography are remarkable. Some of them lose showrunners faster than, you know, the plot lines in the original, next generation. And so they're incredibly like things happen that they forget about in the same episode sometimes, but they're starting to get their act together. The last few seasons have been much more solid. And you know, they're starting to, to bring all that together. And they announced a final season of Pcards season three, and the trailer just dropped. And the, the basic thing is if you love the next generation and you wanted to see where that crew was now, they are going to, they are going to go all out and bring the entire, it looks like the entire crew back.

Leo Laporte (01:58:40):
Oh wow. For season

Rene Ritchie (01:58:42):
Three. So you'll have, you know, Wharf and data and Jordy and

Leo Laporte (01:58:46):
Sleek Wesley sleek, Wesley. We

Rene Ritchie (01:58:49):
Haven't seen Wesley yet. Maybe he's a surprise. We

Leo Laporte (01:58:51):
Know he can get him get ahold of him if you need to. Yeah.

Rene Ritchie (01:58:55):
He's busy on what, what he was on SWAT. I think he's busy on the SWAT show right now.

Leo Laporte (01:58:59):
We see maybe that's maybe that's the problem. All right. And

Rene Ritchie (01:59:01):
My other pick is so I've had the can EOS R five, oops. Upside down EOS R five for a while. And it's a really great camera. It does eight K. It does it, it does really, really wonderful video, but it is so hot that it, it just breaks down after a while it turns itself off it reaches thermal limit and can cannon still insists on sabotaging their non cinema cameras with 30 minute record limits for no apparent reason, but to sabotage their non cinema line. So they announced a EOS R five C recently. And as far as I can tell, this is exactly the EOS R five, but it has a huge honking fan on the back. Like just, it's been like extruded a good inch away from the body so that it can sustain recording for more than just 30 minutes. And it was a real problem for me.

Rene Ritchie (01:59:51):
I love Cannon's color. I love the image quality. I love everything about it, but it was stopping when I was trying to record things like unboxings. And it'd be super inconvenient in the middle of an unboxing to see the 30 minutes hit and I'd have to get up and restart everything. So hopefully now this solves those problems. There's still issues where Canon puts like some, like some cameras get raw and some get 10 bit and some get and some get like the I'm blanking on the name, the, the Canon UHT for, for sea log, some get sea log three, some get sea log two. It's maddening, but I'm shooting all with cannons and they're, they're, you know, they're getting a lot of competition from Sony. So it's nice to see they're starting to wake up and actually offer slightly better cameras. For those of us who are, who have so much can glasses just not feasible to switch.

Alex Lindsay (02:00:40):
I don't know if it's still the case, but one of the reasons that they out was that there was a limit on the Canon cameras was because of European taxes for

Leo Laporte (02:00:47):
Taxes. Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (02:00:48):
Yeah. So, yeah. So there, the print, the print, if you were still, it was one tag, which much lower than if it was video. And so that was for a long time. I don't know if that's still an issue, but I know that a Canon was careful not to do that. And for one, at one period of time, there was a hack that they didn't look the, like they worked too hard to stop

Rene Ritchie (02:01:07):
Firmware. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. But, but Sony ignored. It started just ignoring it and making their cameras record anyway. And I wish the canning

Alex Lindsay (02:01:14):
Would follow their right.

Rene Ritchie (02:01:15):
They're much, they're much better for user side lead, but anyways, it's a great camera. I'm really happy with it.

Leo Laporte (02:01:22):
He salt Hank uses in R six, but remember TikTok videos, you don't have to record for 30 minutes.

Rene Ritchie (02:01:30):
Yeah. And you may not need AK. Like, I think the big differentiator is like, it's, it's, it's actually a better camera. If you don't need eight K or you don't need 4k raw, he's starting

Leo Laporte (02:01:37):
To do, he's starting to do YouTube videos now. So I don't know. I don't know what I don't, he might, I might have to upgrade him. I, I did order, don't tell him, but editor, Mac, studio, ultra for him. Cause he really needs that for his editor. Nice. I think Mr. Alex, Lindsay, your pick of the week,

Alex Lindsay (02:01:54):
I've talked about it, I think in the past, but, but it just such a great little piece of hardware I'm I'm recommending maker bit. So maker bit is it is the microbit it's, it's a add on to the micro bit. So the microbit is something that BBC worked on to teach kids how to do, you know, it's got a, a bunch of stuff that's all built into it. And and, and, and so the thing is, is that it's, it's really good by itself. But it's really hard to use all the pin outs because they're just like a, you know, an insert, they, they kind of assumed that most kids won't use it, but they were like, yeah, we'll put it in there anyway. And so they put it in Roger Wagner who used to work at Apple and has done tons and tons of incredible work.

Alex Lindsay (02:02:33):
Built this thing that basically takes the little pin outs, takes the, the slide in pin outs and just exposes all the power or that the that it has. And so you can add lots of things that are easier. It's very close to an Android. The, the one difference is, is that it allows you to use some of the programming that's visual to it, you know? And so you can you know, you can actually put these things together and he's been working with us to do tutorials. I think I might have shown this with One of our we have this, this box that I've, I actually spilled some stuff on, but oh, it's a pizza

Leo Laporte (02:03:04):
Box. It's appropriate.

Alex Lindsay (02:03:05):
It's, it's a pizza box, but, and, and we were learning how to pro you know, program it all, and we're all doing it together. And and it's just a great it's, it's not very expensive and he's amazing, and we're gonna be doing more of this stuff with him, but, but it's just a, it's a, it's a great little kind of, of geeky little box. The maker bit itself is, is just this little guy. Oh, look it. And, and I thought, but the, so what he builds is the part that you slide the maker bit into that makes it easy to cuz otherwise you have to figure out how to connect to these little things, which is a lot harder, but it has a lot of the tools. You know, again, it has a lot of bits and pieces that you can use and a, it was built for education, but you know, I was talking to some friends and they were like, yeah, we use those. And I was like, you really use 'em I thought they're for education. They're like, well, they they're pretty useful. You know, like we use 'em in a lot of places, they're easy to buy and bulk. So so anyway, so I think that pretty pretty slick, little, little the maker bits themselves, and also the, the and the the micro bits themselves and the maker bit is slick. It's, it's my pick.

Leo Laporte (02:04:04):
So, but you can't, it needs something on top of it or

Alex Lindsay (02:04:07):
It's a hat. No, no. So the maker bit, the maker bit is something you'd buy separately. The maker. I mean then I'm sorry, the micro bit, this is the microbit.

Leo Laporte (02:04:15):
So you have a micro bit, and then you put the maker bit on top of it as a hat,

Alex Lindsay (02:04:18):
You slide this into the maker bit.

Leo Laporte (02:04:20):
Okay.

Alex Lindsay (02:04:20):
So take the micro bit and you slide it into the maker bit. And suddenly now all the wiring, you can pop everything. It's much more like this is, this is something for kids to learn when you add that. It becomes in our, basically in our board,

Leo Laporte (02:04:32):
I like the demos on the maker bit site. I mean, it looks like you could, you know, all sorts of uses for kids

Alex Lindsay (02:04:37):
Actually. Well, he is, and it was, and, and again, kids of all ages, like we're learning it, it's super useful. It's it's powerful. And, and I think that it's definitely worth worth checking out, even if you're not a kid. Nice. You know, it's, it's got some good stuff on it. Very nice, Andy and I Copic of the week.

Andy Ihnatko (02:04:54):
Oh boy, am I so happy to for, for this part of the week audio hijack, one of the greatest Mac apps ever is just been updated to version four and it is everything I love to see in an app. It is what does it do? It records audio on your Mac. Well, what kind of audio, any audio and any combination, no matter what you want to do with it. So if all you want do is, oh, there's a concert that's streaming on this website. Want to wanna capture the audio? Great. It'll do that. You want to record from a microphone, that's plugged into your Mac. It'll do that. And, but the thing is, it is so flexible. It is, again, it'll do anything you want to do regarding capturing and recording audio. As you grow into it, really, you do, you, you figure out that you, you, you, you smack your head because either you stop, you got, you spent like three weeks or three months into your, into your podcast wondering, oh man, I really wish I could do.

Andy Ihnatko (02:05:50):
I didn't have to do this, this, this, and this. Well, you don't because you have audio hijack. You have all these little modules that are like Legos that you just simply drag from. This is this, this, this tool tray that basically tells audio hijack where you want the, where you want to capture sources from what you want to do with that along the way whether it's changing the tone compressing it adjusting the volume, how you wanna record it, how you wanna output it. It was when I, I record the material podcast with Florence ion they I've, it took me again. I had one of those smack on the head moments when I realized that, oh, I'm making things way too complicated. I can just do with a saw with audio hijack. So there's a saved, like recording session that whenever whenever I record this, the, the show that will automatically record create three recordings simultaneously.

Andy Ihnatko (02:06:41):
One of just me, one of just flow one combined where it's a stereo stereo recording with flow and one channel and me and the other, meanwhile, it's feeding itself into VU meters. So I can actually see that. Yes, it is capturing audio from all these sources. It, it is capturing from microphones as well as my, my chat apps, as well as I wanna make sure that when it gets into my headphones, when I'm listening to it, I don't get like reverb in feedback. So I've got another set of controls that simply allows me to adjust, like what I'm gonna be hearing in, in the middle of that and version four. And that that's, that's like maybe on a scale 10 that's, maybe a three on how how complicated you can make this. You can also, again, add audio effects, the audio number version four adds a mixer, so you can have multi.

Andy Ihnatko (02:07:31):
So if you have multiple microphones plugged in at once without making it complicated at all, you can just simply say, oh, by the way, here are all the inputs. Here's what I want the levels of each one of these things to be they, they've also added some really good interface things. One things that I, one, the one thing that was a little bit of a clutch for me is that I like to keep a, I use the recording timer to keep an eye on how long we're going on the recording. So I would always like keep the, the, the bottom of my recording window a little bit under the, the, the show doc. So I could see like what the timer is doing. A and now they've added, they've added a menu, let that lets you access what you're recording.

Andy Ihnatko (02:08:07):
And it also will stay persistently above everything else. And there are a whole bunch of other other features about this. But again, I recommend it highly enough because there it's not a app that you can really grow out of. Particularly if you are a person like me, I'm not, I'm not like Rene. I'm not like Alex. I'm not like Jason Snell. I don't have knowledge about being a real audio engineer. And I don't have, if, if I bought the $200 really pro level tools for recording and mixing audio, I wouldn't know how to do, how to, how to use it. However, this is, this is beyond my skills. And as I increase my skills, it will accommodate me no matter what it is that I want to do. 65 bucks, it's not cheap. But my goodness, you will not for someone like me you will spend 65 and you will never have to buy another, oh gosh, I need to buy this other app. Or, gosh, I wish I had it. Doesn't do this. I'm gonna have to do that. It becomes about Google, how to do this. And audio hijack, you'll find a primer on here's how you do whatever it is you want to do audio hijack can do it for you. Ty recommendation when the greatest pieces of Mac software that has ever been written.

Alex Lindsay (02:09:18):
And I was talking about, oh, I gotta move a couple apps. I'm gonna leave the rest of 'em behind audio hijacks. Definitely one that's coming with me. Yeah. I, I wholeheartedly back what, what Andy talked said. The only recommendation that I have to add to that is there's a bundle with audio hijack and loop back just by it, just by the bundle. Don't, don't like, you're gonna pay more. And then you're gonna wish that you had bought the loop back with, with the audio hijack. So loop back is a routing system that all of us in, not all of us, but a huge percentage of us in office hours use. So basically loop back, lets you take your audio, all your audio inputs and you can mix and match them and then create virtual basically virtual inputs for your other apps.

Alex Lindsay (02:10:00):
So if we wanna route something really complex into zoom, which, which is what we use it for we, we route all of those through loop back and then it just shows up as the, you know, Uber, you know, whatever Uber audio input. Now we can go and we can turn things on and off. We can mix and match things that are going into zoom. And so zoom just sees the loop back solution, but, but the loop back solution can, you know, we can also use that in conjunction with audio hijack and, and so like for many, for probably a year and a half maybe even now I have to see I, I handed that off. And so we were stream using audio, not only does audio Hydra do all these cool things and, and build it all out, but it also, we can stream to sound cloud or stream to an ice server, you know, for the audio.

Alex Lindsay (02:10:42):
So you can literally, that's how we were streaming. The audio version of, of was using audio hijack. And, and then you can do, you know, you can put compressors in, it'll take all kinds of filter. So you can, you use audio hijack to, to use audio standard, audio filters. So it's it's a, it's kind of one of those. If you're doing anything with audio and video, it's a must have. And so I definitely everything that Andy said, plus you just go ahead and buy the loop back, cuz you'll eventually wish you, you did. She

Leo Laporte (02:11:10):
Probably buy the whole darn bundle, get everything they make. Cuz they're really an amazing look.

Rene Ritchie (02:11:17):
You not go near the company though, like leave the company alone, but buy the products.

Alex Lindsay (02:11:20):
Yeah. It's they, all of them are doesn't them are amazing. Does.

Leo Laporte (02:11:24):
Yeah.

Andy Ihnatko (02:11:25):
I just wanna put money in a box and mail it to them. They, their level of quality and their level of creativity is just so it's such a high

Rene Ritchie (02:11:31):
Level. Don't mean this to sound all obscene, but you live close enough where I could give you some money. You can go stuff it in their pants for all of us. I wanna do that every

Leo Laporte (02:11:40):
Week. Well,

Andy Ihnatko (02:11:41):
Again, it depends. Depends on how well they dance, you know, I'm,

Leo Laporte (02:11:46):
It's funny. Cause I used to

Andy Ihnatko (02:11:48):
Use all, make me happy. I'll make it rain.

Leo Laporte (02:11:49):
I used to use all of these tools, but now I just kinda let somebody else do all the work.

Alex Lindsay (02:11:54):
They're incredible.

Leo Laporte (02:11:55):
Incredible. I don't even know how they do it anymore. I do have an input for you though for your loop back and audio hijack. We, we always are looking at USB interfaces for high quality microphones, like our high PR 40 El Gado, which for a long time was just a video company. They got sold in 2018 de cor air and us here gaming products. And now alga does just a ton of stuff for people like Rene, just YouTube streamer, streamer gear, it's streamer gear. And we just bought I was looking for this is the wave XLR. This is a USB interface that has a lot of features. I really like, and we're gonna tested out. We might be sending this out instead of the Scarlet to our hosts. It supports Phantom power. So it'll work with Hals, which don't require any or condenser mics has a headphone Jack powered by USB type C.

Leo Laporte (02:12:46):
But what I love about it's got a big knob. So one of the problems we often have with our hosts who are using Scarlets is we say, well, turn your microphone up then, you know, they don't know. So this knob will either turn up the mic, the headphones, or will do a mixing thing. Just you press it to change that you have pressed long press to get 48 volts. It even has a cough drop built in. It's got a a capacitive button. You just tap it, mutes it, which is really great. So this is a USB interface for professional quality microphones, not USB microphones. Yeah. But we like to use those kind of microphones and it just looks good. Look at this, it looks good on your desk. If you're a streamer, you know, you can have it right there and just fiddle with a knob and that kind of thing. So,

Rene Ritchie (02:13:28):
And it's all coordinated, all their gears coordinated. Yeah. I love it's what

Leo Laporte (02:13:31):
Looks like I have, I have a stream deck sits right next to it and all that stuff. So we just

Rene Ritchie (02:13:34):
Announced a 4k capture card. I think this week. Yes. You can get all your

Leo Laporte (02:13:38):
Oh, Gato kind of amazing. This is a hundred fifty nine ninety nine, which is the same price we pay for the Scarlet, the focus rate Scarlet. I think it'll probably do as well. We'll have to test it, make sure it sounds good and all that, but I think it's an interesting product and I really like what Al Gado has started to do with their stuff. I mean, they make the streamer look good and

Alex Lindsay (02:14:01):
They're really good at making things making the, the user interface just really work. And so they there's a lot of industrial design and so and so forth. A lot of us use their stream decks heavily love the,

Leo Laporte (02:14:13):
They have a foot pedal now for that, which is terrify. Yeah. You don't mind anybody. It's really good.

Alex Lindsay (02:14:19):
Yeah. The foot, the foot. Pedal's really great because if you wanna mute and unmute yourself in zoom, you just hit, you can just sit there and working, you know, doing something and tapping on it. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:14:26):
I think I have to get one of these for Lisa, she, the big knob is like the biggest selling point and it's got of lights that go around it. So you know what the level is. It's just really perfect. And you can control your headphones interfaces. Yeah. It's good knob. That's a good thing, right? Yeah.

Alex Lindsay (02:14:39):
Yeah. Oh

Leo Laporte (02:14:40):
Yeah. It's it's weighted. It's nice. Anyway wave XLR. That's brand new from L gato@lgato.com. And those are APICS of the week. Well, well, well, we've come to the end of this episode of MacBreak Weekly Rene Richie is at youtube.com/Rene Richie celebrating two years of excellence. Yes, sir. Gotta watch the new video where 27 YouTubers ask Rene about Apple. I love yes. That.

Andy Ihnatko (02:15:09):
What is, what is your favorite, Ty? What was your favorite TaeKwonDo was my favorite question of all of

Rene Ritchie (02:15:15):
No Justine. Yeah, of course. Cuz Justine is a,

Leo Laporte (02:15:18):
She knows. Yeah. Yeah. She knows youtube.com/Rene Richie. Congratulations, Rene. That's great. It's I can't believe it two years. It's gone by fast.

Rene Ritchie (02:15:26):
I know it's a, we two years Leo, but it's been

Leo Laporte (02:15:29):
Yes. A weird and wack. You picked exactly the, the most interesting time, right? Yes.

Rene Ritchie (02:15:35):
Did you the 2020s who knew did you,

Leo Laporte (02:15:37):
You did this before. COVID right. So you didn't know it was

Rene Ritchie (02:15:40):
Gonna be, I, I gave my notice in March and I gave them a month's notice. I thought there'd be an Apple event. And then I was out of a job on March 31st and everything locked down. Wow. I just

Leo Laporte (02:15:49):
Didn't know. Wow. That's wild, Andy Ihnatko. When are you gonna be on G next?

Andy Ihnatko (02:15:55):
I'm off this week. But I'm on next week at 1230 Friday go to WGB news.org to stream it live or later or stream it right now to listen to what we talked about last week.

Leo Laporte (02:16:05):
Nice. And of course, Alex Lindsay, office hours.global, they record one hour of it, but it goes on 24 7 with lots of interesting stuff. And if you need Alex to, for your next big event and you do trust me, if you don't have an Alex, I do get him. Oh, nine oh media. He knows all about this stuff. Thank you, Alex. Thank you, Rene. I'll get you off WebEx. Thank you. I'll get you off there. Phil. Lisa, I'll get you off WebEx.

Speaker 9 (02:16:38):
I'm looking forward to getting rid of that flash plugin.

Leo Laporte (02:16:40):
Once in all real media, here we go. Some idea,

Speaker 9 (02:16:44):
The invite,

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