This Week in Enterprise Tech 517 Transcript

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Louis Maresca (00:00:00):
On this week in Enterprise tech, we have Mr. Cruz Franklin, Mr. Brian Chi back on the show today. Now, have you thought about a high-fidelity telepresence system for your organization? Well, Google's been working on a project privately that might actually bring it to the masses, but the question is, is it affordable? Now, if you've implemented Axis control systems for your organization, most likely if you integrated with Axis Systems today we have Rob Druktenis of Axis. We're gonna talk about edge based AI and geek out on some IP POE solutions that may save time and money for your organization. Definitely shouldn't miss it's quiet on the set

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This is twit this week at Enterprise Tech. Episode five 17, recorded October 28th, 2022. AI at the Edge. This episode of this week at Enterprise Tech is brought to you by Naba. Naba has simplified everything about meetings in classroom audio. You get great audio and systems that are easy. Install and manage. Visit naba.com/twi and get 50% off one Naba HDL 300 system for midsize rooms when you get a live online demo and buy before December 16th, 2022. And by thanks Canary detect attackers on your network while avoiding irritating false alarms. Get the alerts that matter for 10% off and a 60 day money back guarantee. Go to canary.tools/quit and enter a code twi. And the headache here about a box and by on Logic. On Logic is helping innovators around the world solve their most complex technology challenges using on logic industrial computers, which engineered for reliability, even in environments that would challenge or destroy traditional computer hardware. Learn more and find out about on Logic's 30 day risk free hardware trial by visiting on logic.com/twi.

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Welcome to twit this week in enterprise tech to show that is dedicated to you, the enterprise professional, the IT pro, and that geek who just wants to know how this world's connected. I'm your host, Lewis Maka, your guy through this big world of the enterprise, but I can't guide you by myself. I need to bring in the professionals and the experts. Sorry, there I, on Mr. Brian Chi, he's net architect, the sky fiber, he's the network expert, the security professional. He's at a all around tech geek and he's been working at Maker Fair, Geert. How's that coming? Are you guys ready to go?

Brian Chee (00:02:38):
Yeah, we've been, Kathy and I put together 1,030 learn to solder kits, um, so that kids can learn how to solder safely. And the, uh, first teams, uh, first robotics teams are actually gonna be running the learn to solder. So that's kind of cool. And I'm also getting ready to work with the Central Florida fairgrounds on upgrading their network, uh, seems they finally got some funding and we're gonna be dropping in some fiber optics and a whole bunch of ubiquity gear so they can support a more sophisticated trade shows ought to be lots and lots of fun. And I'm gonna be teaching them how to play with fiber.

Louis Maresca (00:03:21):
Love that, love that. Now you sent me some of these and I, so at least they don't have to live vicariously too much through you guys. I'm, I'm actually looking forward to doing this with my kids. These are actually really, really cool kits. Now you guys printed these too?

Brian Chee (00:03:33):
Yeah, yeah. Those are custom printed. And uh, the cool thing is, is those LEDs need absolutely no circuitry to change colors in Blink. Uh, you actually order them that way and you just apply power and they change colors in blink. It's very cool.

Louis Maresca (00:03:53):
Very cool.

Brian Chee (00:03:53):
Very cool.

Louis Maresca (00:03:54):
You guys got all the fun stuff. Thanks sheer for being here. Well, we also have to wake welcome our own very Mr. Curtis Franklin. He is senior analyst at AMIA and he is also helping with, uh, maker Fair. Curtis, how that, how's that coming?

Curt Franklin (00:04:08):
Well, it's coming along pretty well while, uh, Brian and Kathy have been dealing with the, uh, small things that people will get chance to do. I've, uh, been with my dear wife doing some very large things. She's been heading up the, uh, process for laser cutting printing plates that we'll use for steam roller printing at the fair. Uh, let people, uh, ink up the plates, put 'em down, and then we'll drive a steam roller over it to make your print. So we're doing that. Uh, I got a bunch of other things going on. Uh, this is gonna be a maker fair. It's going to be, uh, heavy with cosplay with, uh, the, uh, Florida Droid Builders. Um, we've got the five oh first, we've got, um, various, um, mercenary groups from Star Wars. We, we just have all kinds of stuff going on. Uh, so we've been busy. All the members of the Maker Effects Foundation have been busy and uh, it's gonna be exciting. We got a a week long push before we can finally have the fair and then sleep.

Louis Maresca (00:05:28):
Well. Thank you guys for being here While we should get started, cause it's been quite the week of the enterprise now, have you thought about high fidelity telepresence systems for your organization? Well, Google's been working on a secret project behind the scenes to maybe make this a reality. The question is, is it affordable for your organization? We'll definitely talk about it now. Have you thought about edged based Axis control for your controllers, your readers, your cameras, and all the other org uh, devices in your organization? Well, today we have Rob Druktenis. He's of Axis and we're gonna gonna talk about all the edge based AI they have and we're gonna geek out on those solutions, those IP and POE solutions to help you save time and money for your organization. So that's lots of exciting stuff and interesting stuff to talk about. So definitely stick around.

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But we like we always do, we have to jump into this week's news. Blips point of sale systems are notorious for collecting contact information even when it isn't needed. The question is, do you hold the same standard for newcomers like Square? When merchants signed up for squares, that means for collecting payments. They didn't realize they were marketing or being managed for marketing material as well. Now you, you walk up to square, you put your card in, you tap it right, enter your email address for a receipt and you walk away. Easy peasy. Well, did you realize that at the back End Square is actually selling your data to merchants? Now in the case of this protocol story, compass Coffee here only had to spend $200 for 15,000 email addresses of their customers. The Square's ubiquitous card scanners are synonymous with small and medium size businesses and merchants, especially mobile ones.

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Plus, if you want to, you know, change or remove your address here as a customer, you actually have to go through hoops to do it. So this way, the next time you use your card that's associated with the email address, it's no longer your actual, you know, actual email address that you use. Not the one that you dump things into. Now, no, normal consumer will do that. But FinTech startups and organizations are forced to charge less for their services to empower those small businesses to use them for the flow of currency. That means they need to find other ways to make their money. However, you might have to weigh in on whether your inbox is hygiene for marketing material is worth it. For the convenience of low fee payment systems, do yourself favor create a Dume email address for your dumping marketing stuff into it for the future. And you know, make sure that you associate that email address with all your retail purchases from now on.

Curt Franklin (00:07:48):
Raspberry robin, a charmingly named bit of nastiness originally spotted back in May, has infected nearly 3000 devices in almost 1000 organizations in the last 30 days. That's according to an article at Dark Reading and Microsoft Telemetry, which picked up the new wave of attacks indicates the malware is evolving into something new. When Raspberry Robin was initially spotted, it arrived at its point of enterprise entry via infected USB drives and then wormed its way to other endpoints only to remain dormant. That behavior changed in July when Microsoft security researchers saw raspberry robin importing the fake updates malware to devices where it's been nesting. Further exploration of the activity revealed some infrastructure overlaps with the infamous dried deck Trojan and the Evil Corp ransomware gains. Since then, raspberry robin has been on a notable role deploying ICED ID Bumblebee and Tru Payloads with researchers uncovering a notable spade of text in October that have resulted in clop ransomware infections.

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The malware's owners also seem to have become tired of waiting for victims to shove infected USB drives into their computers. New research shows at least four new attack vectors for raspberry robin. Now Microsoft attributes the post compromises CLO activity to a group it tracks as DEV 0 9 50, also known as Finn 11 or TA 5 0 5, indicating that raspberry robin is establishing itself in the wider cyber crime economy as it enters this wide wider criminal economy. Researchers are unsure whether Raspberry Robin will continue to grow as a tool of its original developers or become a tool for rent to many different criminal gangs. This being the work of criminals, the answer might well be both.

Brian Chee (00:09:49):
So thank you to dark reading for this article and they're basically tuning their horn and waving the flags and say Prepare now for critical flaw in open ssl. According to the security experts cited in the article anyway, organizations have now four days to prepare for what the Open SSL project on October 26th described as a critical vulnerability in versions 3.0 and above of the nearly ubiquitously used cryptographic library for encrypting communications on the internet on Tuesday, November 1st, the project will release a new version of open SSL version 3.0 0.7 that will patches at yet undisclosed flaw in current versions of their technology. The characteristics of vulnerability and ease with which it can be exploited will determine the speed with which organizations will need to address the issue. So their headline says potentially huge implications. Well, major operating system vendors, software publishers, email providers and technology companies that have integrated open SSL into their products and services will likely have updated versions of their technology timed for release with the open SSL projects disclosure of the flaw next Tuesday. But that will still leave potentially millions of others, including federal agencies, private company service providers and network device manufacturers and countless website operators with a looming deadline to find and fix the vulnerability before threat actors begin to exploit it. Oh, the bottom line is that you're going to need to concentrate on updates now because the open SSO module is nearly ubiquitous in the networking world from cameras to firewalls. Just about everybody uses it. So update now, not later.

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Awkward

Louis Maresca (00:11:48):
Is the word that comes to mind when organizations talk about doing business and manufacturing in China nowadays. Now with all the latest news from commerce, the FCC and other big tech companies, it's not surprising. The most valuable of them all is weighing their options as well. Now the US has become more aggressive in its competitive competition with China's domestic tech industry. And signals from Apple who revolutionized their manufacturing in China is that they're gonna look elsewhere, maybe manufactured. So a good signal from them. Now in this article on the economics, apple is looking for actually India and Vietnam for its latest ventures in manufacturing. Now giving the growing rift between US and China, it sensible for Apple to place some side bets before restrictions go any further. Now what is also clear is there is diminishing consumer markets within China as well, making it tough to market and sell in there.

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Now one interesting aspect of all this is the angle that is Apple is looking elsewhere to contain its costs as well. That sounds interesting cuz normally costs are a lot lower in China. Usually the cost effective way to ensure that you have, you know, maximizing your margins. Well that's a misnomer. In fact, in 2020, manufacturing workers in China made $530 a month, but the same workers in India or Vietnam made half that income. It's interesting, I puts this things into perspective, doesn't it? Because you, some US workers nowadays actually make maybe three and a quarter to four times as much as that. Now, even though India has had some infrastructure and electrical grid issues in the past, they've worked on developing them and they're making 'em better for the future. And in fact, their Indian governments are offering incentives and subsidies for companies like Apple.

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Vietnam is actually doing something similar, exercising options for the business and diversifying their manufacturing possibilities can only make the company stronger, in my opinion. Let's hope. It also means that other companies will fall suit and do the same, developing greater independence in order to better control their inflation. Well folks that does it for the blips. Next up we have the bites, but before we get to the bites, we do have to thank a really great sponsor of this weekend enterprise tech. And that's Arava in today's IT pros. They're in a tough spot. The shift to hybrid working and learning means they must equip and support more spaces with audio and video conferencing systems. And at the same time, they're busier than ever with network security. The shift to cloud-based solutions, infrastructure issues, and much more. These factors, along with product shortages and delays have put an unprecedented strain on IT.

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In fact, I get a little bit of, uh, you know, I get tired of using it. <laugh> takes a long, takes a lot outta me every day. I just got off a call before this. Now what if Zoom was a giant sit down arcade machine? Would use it more? Would it be more effective for you? Well, that's what Google has been working on behind the scenes in this latest project called starline. According to this artist Technic article. And the mysterious project was announced as part of Google IO in 2020 one's keynote, but then it went dark for a while. While the home console version of video chat today involves just a tiny camera right in your laptop screen of your computer. Starline brings 3D video chat to life and a seven by seven foot sit down booth with seemingly no regard to given cost, size, or commercialization. <laugh>,

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The system is very sophisticated. It's got 14 cameras, it's got 16 ir uh, projectors, which actually work together to capture all your movements they can track in real time. They can create actually a photorealistic version of you now four microphones and two speakers. Don't just play back your speech, but they also have spa audio and dynamic beam forming supposedly to make the speech sound that's coming out of your out avatar mouth sound look more real. Google's crunching all the data and using a beefy dual zon workstation with four Invidia GPUs. They're two cuatro RTX six thousands and two Titan r TXs. Sounds expensive to me. Sounds a bit unobtainable for businesses of pretty much any size. I'm not sure what's going on here. The question is why are they doing this? It's more of a, seems to be more focused on a one on one type communication as well. You can't get groups in there. It's, it's, it's not really like a, it's kinda like a photo booth, right? So I'm curious, I wanna bring my cohost in. What do you think is going on here? What, what is Google trying to do with this system? What do you guys think Curtis?

Curt Franklin (00:18:02):
Well, if you ask me what they're going to try to do is, um, go into the education market. This seems like a great setup for people to deliver online lectures through. And Google has seen its share of the education market grow considerably because so many, uh, schools at various levels have embraced the Chromebook as the platform of choice for students. Uh, if you've got lots of Chromebooks in the hands of students, why not have a Google based lecture pod for the teacher or professor and just go Google Docs, Google everything end to end. That makes the most sense for me because face it, there are only so many of us who are sufficiently wealthy to have something like that as a home video chat station. Um, and not that many more businesses who will want to do that for individuals. So when I look at that, I see education, uh, with perhaps telemedicine being another good option.

Brian Chee (00:19:23):
It's

Louis Maresca (00:19:23):
Interesting you said education, cuz this seems to me more like a, like a v i p to v i P type communication system because it seems very expensive. What do you think Geert?

Brian Chee (00:19:32):
Uh, yeah, I'm, you know, in the background, Burke is guessing in the 60 to $75,000 range. Yeah,

Louis Maresca (00:19:40):
He's probably

Brian Chee (00:19:40):
Right. Um, I'm actually gonna guess because of the custom stuff, it's probably gonna be closer to 80 to a hundred K to start. Now first off, this is not a new concept. Um, I'm going to set the way back machine, you know, honor Mr. Peabody here. And Bell Labs had a video phone demonstration at Spaceship Earth back long time ago. Now, the other thing too is I was privy to playing Iran with a lot of really interesting cutting edge or bleeding edge video conferencing technologies at the National Center for Computer Applications. Um, they actually had one, um, that they called a chatauqua. And the whole idea was they were running very high end video conferencing over multicast. So being able to combine upwards of a hundred participants onto the screen simultaneously using, um, tiny, uh, thumbnails, uh, was a really big deal. But we ran out of bandwidth actually.

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Uh, even using multicast, it wasn't enough. Now, the cool thing about this is because they're using avatars, uh, and they're sending the voice as data rather than an analog signal. What this means is I can easily, easily, um, predict that, that a avatar, some is going to be able to under computer control, walk into a virtual conference, sit down in a amphitheater, and be able to participate with in theory hundreds of people. Um, I think this is going to be one of the things that Google's going to be tinkering with. They're, they are very clearly leveraging some of the work done at the National Supercomputer Center, and I think it's going to be really interesting. So being able to go and walk into, say, a telework center to one of these booths and be able to walk into a virtual conference room, I think is something that's going to be showing up very soon. And I think our friends at Google are going to blow our socks off with this.

Louis Maresca (00:22:06):
I I can definitely tell you the hardware's definitely there to blow our socks off. So I I can agree with that. Curtis, I wanna throw this back to you cuz I know that you probably wanna rebut my claim that this is too expensive.

Curt Franklin (00:22:18):
Well, I think it depends on too expensive for what, uh, for the individual user. Sure. Um, but for, say, a public university, uh, that's already going deeply into distance learning, uh, this, I think probably doesn't compare very unfavorably to the cost of one of the big multimedia desks at the, uh, front of lecture halls. Uh, so I can see, you know, at worst I can see one of these per school, uh, and letting the, uh, online lecturers for that school rotate through it. Um, you know, this seems to be, uh, almost a no brainer, uh, for that purpose. Uh, and like I said, especially when you tie it to the rest of Google's educational ecosystem, uh, this starts becoming a, a really powerful argument, uh, in favor of going, you know, one vendor end to end.

Louis Maresca (00:23:23):
Right? Speaking of vendors, uh, there's gotta be, there's gotta be, other vendors are doing this right? Sheer,

Brian Chee (00:23:29):
Actually, our friends at HP ha have had a competition now for, I want to call it at least six years. Their idea, rather than going with the avatar and digital voice and so forth, is leveraging existing technologies, but adding to it. So their idea is make it look like the two sides are in a conference room split by a pane of glass. Make it so that the audio moves wrong. You know, our friends at nure, which happens to be a twit sponsor, uh, is already providing a lot of the digital data on where those microphones are. You know, the digital, the microphone mis that they talk about. So locality information is available. I'm not sure if it's being exported in an API yet, but the guys at HP have done it with a very complex array of microphones. And what they need is they need something simpler, like, uh, nore exporting locality APIs to them so they can move the audio around.

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That HP conference room I actually got a chance to look at it, is quite impressive. It really does look like the conference table ends right down to the point where they actually have, um, reshaped the conference table so that it doesn't go outta whack with perspective. And it really does look like a conference room where it's split by a pan of glass. It was great. Uh, it felt natural and it's in about the same price range and un sadly, it needed to have some very sophisticated installation. Um, the Google concept is really cool. I, I'm predicting it's going to eventually be, um, you know, computer controlled avatar walking into either a conference room or lecture hall or something. I think it's going to be, uh, targeted at education. But I think we're also gonna start seeing a revival of sophisticated video conferencing systems at places like telework centers. Maybe we're gonna start having things like this at a copy center. Like FedEx Kinkos actually had video conferencing a while when H three 20 was really expensive. Um, and people couldn't even afford the I SDN installed all the time. So I think we're on the cusp of seeing some really, really interesting things, um, being driven by actually the pandemic, you know, more and more telework and suddenly there's a new market. So I'm gonna hold my breath because this looks like it's going to be a lot of fun.

Louis Maresca (00:26:16):
Agreed, agreed. Well, you know, I want to, I wanna throw the curse one more time. Cause I'm curious, you know, a lot of enterprises could use this. Obviously we're, we're writing this article a little bit about, obviously Salesforce is thinking about it. They want, they signed up for a demo T-Mobile, um, there's Meridian Health, there's, there's lots of companies, WeWork, um, and I think cheaper might have a point here. I mean, obviously these organizations, like for instance, WeWork, they want to, you know, might want to buy a couple of these and have people come and kind of essentially rent the space to kind of use these, uh, for, you know, important meetings or remote meetings or that kind of thing. So it seems like there, there definitely is a market what you, like you said, in education and, and this kind of like rent to, to use, uh, a market as well. Do you think that it, this has a place in the enterprise somewhere?

Ant Pruitt  (00:27:02):
Well, Mr. Lou, uh, Mr. Kurt Zoom just dropped, but I'm gonna chime in because I have some thoughts on this very point here. Uh, Salesforce and Zoom and, um, uh, WeWork and these other enterprises currently testing this out, allegedly. I don't think it makes a lot of sense. I mean, yes, I know that the pandemic has forced us to think differently when it comes to doing meetings and things like that. And yes, there are times when being in person is going to make a much bigger difference. But should I spend 65, $70,000 on a piece of equipment like this when I could pretty much just go jump on a Dagum plane and go have that meeting if I really need to get face to face <laugh>?

Louis Maresca (00:27:46):
Exactly. You know, exactly. It's funny that we, I mean, I was watching, uh, Leo, who was trying out the, the MedQuest Pro yesterday. Yeah. Obviously the whole I idea of even advanced VR or with a little bit of, um, augmented reality kind of integrated in there, that's 1400 bucks, 1500 bucks. But I think, you know, as these, these systems get more sophisticated, they are gonna integrate IR systems into them, uh, for motion capture, um, for, for realism, um, that kind of thing. And I, you know, again, if we look at the, the technology that's also in, uh, something like Microsoft's AR system, um, it's very similar. I mean, they, they offer this kinda like realistic view of the world that allows you to project yourself, uh, differently as well. So I, I think that, I think that there might be a, definitely a blend that will come. Obviously some somewhere in between will come and there'll be a market for something like this. Uh, but again, like you said, it's, it's, it's a little hard to to, uh, to swallow when it comes to the current price and the current, the current technology. Well, to see you out to

Ant Pruitt  (00:28:48):
See if they're gonna scale it down. I spoke about this on Tech News Weekly, previously, you know, I've been pitching business here in Sonoma County for my photography services and whatnot, and I totally get that. It makes a difference when I have that Zoom meeting with the person, right? And I use my webcam versus using my six K. Oh man, it, it's, I got 'em then, you know, just because of the, the way things look, everything's a little bit more lifelike and it's more professional. I, I get that, but again, that's not 65 K <laugh>, right? I didn't spend that much, you know, and now, and we do have Mr. Kirk back by the way.

Louis Maresca (00:29:26):
Cool. Welcome back, Curtis. I think I'll throw the little last question to you, Curtis. I I was just asking an, uh, about the enterprise applications for this. If the enterprise would eventually be able to kind of implement something at scale here, do you think that you see the place in the enterprise?

Curt Franklin (00:29:43):
Well, if this is one to one, then it's gonna be limited for the enterprise. Uh, if it's one to many, then it's much easier to justify one to one. I can name, think of some spot, uh, applications for it. Uh, things like, um, doing depositions for legal cases. I know that a lot of, uh, court cases are still being done now via, uh, video, um, for, you know, non-jury trials. They're finding that, uh, going in and doing things by video saves everyone a lot of money and a lot of time. So it's, it's becoming more popular. Um, but for just one to one, uh, this, this is tough. Uh, I can see this sort of thing being made available to CEOs so that they can deliver misses to the, uh, uh, the minions, uh, or even talk to the board. But, uh, as we've said, uh, one to one communications, you know, this becomes a really expensive way, uh, of solving a problem that doesn't really exist.

Louis Maresca (00:31:00):
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Rob Druktenis (00:33:57):
Hello. Thanks for having me.

Louis Maresca (00:34:00):
Absolutely. No, we've, we've been looking forward to this episode for a while because we love talking Edge technology, especially some of the stuff that Axis has been doing. But before we get to that, our audience is a large spectrum of experiences and they love to hear people's origin stories. Can you maybe take us through a journey through Tech and what got brought you to Axis?

Rob Druktenis (00:34:18):
Yeah, for sure. So I started in the industry about 24 years ago. Uh, for those you may, may know or may not know, started at a company called Northern Computers. They were the innovators of computer based Axis control. They had a lovely controller called the N 1000. And it's, uh, a workhorse. It's something that still actually runs today. I've actually seen installations that have been done over 20 years ago. So starting the industry, uh, in the Axis control side of the business with Northern Computers, uh, worked for them for about 11 years, became Honeywell security. And then, uh, after that ended up at some integrators, uh, doing product project management, uh, sales, all myriad of different things for a couple of different integrators until I landed at Axis Communications, uh, as a Axis control, uh, specialist. So I've been with the company about eight years now, uh, in various roles, uh, in our, uh, regional sales roles. Uh, and now I'm in a program manager role for Axis control and focused on our edge, uh, controllers and anything Axis control related that, uh, Axis Communications comes out with.

Louis Maresca (00:35:27):
So when I think, you know, I'm the software services guy when I think Axis control, I think identity and authentication providers, but this is, this is different, right? What, what kind of Axis control are you talking about?

Rob Druktenis (00:35:37):
Yeah, Axis control at a physical level, right? So for those of you who may know, I, you get a badge at your, at your business, you gotta present it to what we call a card reader unlocks a door, right? So that's Axis control at a level of who can come into my building when and at what time, right? So who can go where, when is the easiest way to think of it.

Louis Maresca (00:35:55):
Now, how, how has this evolved? Obviously, you know, I've, I've had a smart card, smart card based system for a while where, you know, you, you kind of tap your card to the smart card reader and you can get into the building. But how, how has this evolved over time? Cause I've had that for probably 25 years. Is it, has it changed? What, what's, what's, what's, what are organizations using now? Like what, what is the evolution of that?

Rob Druktenis (00:36:17):
Yeah, it's funny. So for quite a few years it was that way of present a card at a card reader unlock a door. A lot of it was, uh, if you've heard of h i d was a lot of h i d card readers and cards that were out there on the market. And, and there still are today. Um, a lot of that, uh, is still there. But, um, you're starting to see a transition away from presenting a card only, right? So now you're going down the road of card, maybe fingerprints or some type of biometric along with a card swipe. Or even in some cases you're starting to see scenarios where they're using Bluetooth. So you open up an app on your phone, you click a button on your, on your app that unlocks a door. You're even starting to see that in hotels now, where like, I check into my Hilton, uh, app and it says I can do keyless, uh, check-in. And then I have a key now through, uh, an app on the Hilton, uh, app. So it's starting to transition to a lot of this Bluetooth, uh, touchless type, uh, credentials. But there's still a lot of that old school present a card unlock a reader. So, hasn't changed a ton, but it's starting to shift and we're starting to see some of these things now come out and even in the world of QR codes and things like that

Louis Maresca (00:37:27):
Right now. It's interesting you say, so these systems are kind of being built together where they have biometrics, they have smart card readers, they have, uh, you know, they potentially have camera basis. It's kind of like an aggregate of different data points that they're using to help give you entry. Now that sounds like, it seems like there needs to be a lot of connected services for all of that can. How does an organization manage that type of thing?

Rob Druktenis (00:37:52):
Yeah, so a lot of times it's, it's kind of piecing together a lot of different systems. So for example, if you've had a card Axis system for several years, they may buy another system that's video and try to integrate those two together. Or they may go get a, uh, a different card technology. So then they have to replace card readers and things like that. So there's a lot of parsing and bringing things in together and, and, and trying to merge 'em into one system. But now you're starting to see where people are like, you know what, I really need to, to rethink how I do Axis control. And some of that comes down to the road of we need to do a rip and replace. I need to get a new server set up. You maybe even go to a cloud scenario. We're starting to see cloud become, uh, more prevalent in the Axis control world.

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But a lot of it comes back to, is almost shifting to, um, a, a video management platform even because initially Axis control was its own solution, its own, um, let's say setup, right? And then video was set was separate from that. Well, now we're starting to see video and kind of what Axis is, is focusing on is pulling that all into one, uh, single Planet Glass we like to say. Uh, and using the video management system as let's say the head end, uh, that's driving all the different integrations to Axis control, audio, radar, you know, all kinds of different things. Uh, when we talk about, uh, merging into a single platform.

Louis Maresca (00:39:15):
Now, one thing that we've been hearing a lot about obviously is the edge computing. Like being able to manage some of these things at the edge so that there's less need for connectivity. Or if there is no connectivity, it can, it can, you know, it can process these things faster. What, what's happening in that side of the technology?

Rob Druktenis (00:39:34):
Yeah, a lot of that is, um, they're trying to take a couple things, right? So they don't want to have these expensive servers, uh, at, at a location where they're managing several different locations through one, uh, central manager, right? So now they're starting to push a lot of that data processing and all that out at the edge, whether it's Axis control or even at a camera level, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So by doing that, it speeds up the, the responses that they get. When someone presents a card, for instance, if I do a fingerprint that's actually stored at the edge, they're not necessarily going back to a server to grab that data. It's actually stored either on a smart card that you actually have, the data could be on out at the edge or actually on the device itself. So a lot of that starting to happen for, for speed, for cost, because now when we put it at the edge, I'm not running a bunch of cable through the building and trying to interconnect all these different systems. It's just a single network connection out to the door. Let's say if we're talking about Axis, Axis control or out to the camera, wherever the camera may be. And then doing all that at the edge and then just simply sending data when needed. Uh, when a customer, let's say, is requesting, what's my log activity? What's what's happening out at this door? Things like that.

Louis Maresca (00:40:43):
It's interesting that they, that the, it's moved closer to the edge. Cause when I think about that, I think about the possibility of obviously somebody exporting that cuz the data is now stored on a device that's, you know, closer to the user. It's not, you know, unobtainable in some kind of server or some database in the cloud. What, what is Axis doing to secure that type of thing?

Rob Druktenis (00:41:02):
Yeah, there's a lot of, actually a lot of activity, uh, on that front. It's, it's probably our number one goal now in, in, when we release a product is making sure it's cyber secure. So there's several different things. We have secure elements that are actually put on the actual device to, to hold keys to Axis the data. We also have signed firmware so that if someone tries to penetrate the system and put a spoof firmware on there to gain a Axis to the system, they cannot do that. As soon as it boots up, it'll see, hey, this isn't correct firmware, it shuts it down, right? So cyber secure, uh, security is very important to us and we find that doing that through, whether it's through hardware signed firmware or even management of systems. So we have, uh, a security management program in the background that checks to make sure everything is valid. So encryption all the way from, if we're talking about Axis control from the card all the way up to the server end where there's encrypted data, uh, from Edge to to the servers as well. So it's definitely something that's on the forefront and something that we take very seriously when, when it comes to especially devices at the edge, that someone can just grab that data and then and uh, you know, do what they will with it. Right,

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Brian Chee (00:44:53):
Actually I'm, I'm gonna share a real fast story. I, I used to design command centers and one of our biggest challenges was Axis control and video management. They were always separate. And as time went on, there's more and more issues where if someone's doing a card swipe, we wanted to also have the ability to do a tilt pad and zoom of the camera systems so we can get video confirmation, um, especially on very high security installations. Um, previously getting those two to combine meant a lot of human beings, and that meant we had to staff up during the odd shift, the third shift, um, it was a pain, but we wanted to be able to go and combine that. How do we get the tilt pan and zoom to automatically go whenever there's a card swipe? It's a lot easier when both systems are integrated.

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And that's one of the things that started this migration, at least in the Department of Defense where acs Axis control systems and VMs, video management systems started merging. Um, I used to write also for, uh, building management, uh, magazine, and this was one of the big issues. So here's my question for Rob. Building managers have traditionally been the ones that own these systems. Um, now with more IT involved, it's all networked, it's all, um, encrypted, it's migrating more towards the IT world. Um, how, how has this been when, you know, we've got these two different worlds that typically go at loggerheads. How are other people getting these worlds to merge?

Rob Druktenis (00:46:44):
Yeah, it's actually a, a, a challenge and it kind of goes back to my days as an integrator and, and trying to, to one, sell a system and two, actually set a system up. And it was definitely a challenge because there was that shift that's starting to happen where whether it's facilities management, public safety or security departments who always ran that, um, that, that system and then now they had to pull in the IT department and IT managers and so on. And a lot of it's, uh, started to do, had to do with doing that shift from who's gonna own the system. And now as more and more has been on the network, it's actually pushing towards the, the IT management teams and there's actually still a battle that goes on, right? Because the, the, the security team or the facilities management team expect one thing and they want it to move fast.

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We're in the IT world. They're like, well, hold on, hold on. This is going to eat up some, uh, network traffic. Uh, I don't know if we're okay with this. We have to go through our security testing and things like that to make sure we're not gonna have any cybersecurity issues, things like that. So what we're starting to see is, at least at a customer level, I started to see the IT departments actually owning the system and then using the security department as a liaison as to, all right, what do you guys want? What do you expect? And how do we get there? Right? So, um, getting those two teams to work together I think is still a challenge today, uh, because they both have two different types of expectations and, uh, the security department wants more and the IT department says, hold on, we gotta make sure this is vetted and everything works well.

Brian Chee (00:48:17):
Yeah. One of the thing, uh, I actually been doing a lot of this research because the University of Hawaii security department is actually driving this, and it was a big battle. Interesting enough, one of the things that's actually driving the willingness for the two worlds to join together is actually AI at the edge. In the case of University of Hawaii, it got both sides really enthusiastic when I said, Hey, Axis has this new capability we can put in software into the advanced cameras. And a camera that I was proposing on top of a high rise dorm overlooked a ridge line that was constantly getting brush fires because there's a homeless population that started campfires and, you know, a stray cigarette or whatevers. We start getting these very, very, very expensive brush fires. But if we had the ability to go and detect the brush fires, which happens to be a, um, third party piece of software that Axis is working with, um, we can actually do very early detection of fires. Now, Rob, you sent me a link about AI solving another big issue of walk behinds. Could you tell me a little bit about the object analysis analytics?

Rob Druktenis (00:49:43):
Yeah, for sure. So, uh, Axis came out with what we call, uh, aoa, which is Axis Object Analytics. And what it's doing is it's doing a simple thing right now, some machine learning where it detects a vehicle, what type of vehicle, and a and a person, right? And what we've had is some applications where a customer has come to us, let's say a large distribution center that says, Hey, when, when a a, a truck presents a a car to gain Axis to my area, I want the truck to pass through, but I wanna keep out someone who may tailgate through and walk behind the truck or alongside the truck. And if that happens, I wanna be notified. So with using aoa, it's able to say, set up a zone. It says within this zone, I only want a truck to pass through, but if I see a human, I need to be alerted. So what that would do is several different things. I could have a, an audio system, uh, alert, whoever's trying to penetrate and say, Hey, you're under video surveillance, you need to leave this area. Or it pops up a video feed in the, the security department, things like that. So that's just another way where we're taking analytics and starting to merge it with an Axis control type system.

Brian Chee (00:50:49):
Yeah, and you know, one of the things, yep, I've been playing with Axis cameras for a long time. In fact, um, I'll brag a little bit. Uh, the Axis folks helped me out and we got a Camera Q series. It's it's end of life now, but back then it was Leading Edge. It's the world's deepest webcam. So these, um, video, this is actually a library, um, we've been able to record all kinds of stuff, and that's on a Q series Q 6,000 series, um, Axis Webcam. So Axis has the world's deepest three miles underwater. You also have the world's highest, which actually sits in the iss. So that's actually three miles underwater. Now Axis has traditionally come out with some really, really sophisticated solutions. Um, they're one of the first companies I know that had a, I think it was an eight megapixel pan, 360 Panorama did dig Digital Tilt Pan and Zoom. But one of the things that, one of the features that I absolutely was stunned at was how they are, how you guys are merging a radar with a tilt pan zoom camera so that we could actually go and recognize cars. In fact, I'm proposing this for the University of Hawaii so that you can do a tilt pen and zoom and get license plates. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So what other kinds of things are we gonna be able to see from Axis? Uh, you guys keep coming out these amazing cameras. Um, what is the edge brought for us?

Rob Druktenis (00:52:27):
Yeah, so right now I, I think from, um, things that I can share, uh, you're starting to see, uh, things in the world of, um, the, the, the aoa, right? So we're gonna start, we're gonna start diving more into using that analytic to, to do things such as um, Q zones or we'll have areas such as loitering. Uh, if there's, we already have that where let's say someone sits in a specific area for too long, I need to be notified. So you're doing some preemptive alerting, uh, that can then alarm the Axis control system and things like that. So, um, there's, there's even things being talked about such as, and a lot of people are talking about this is especially in the Axis control world of, you know, like how you, today you can walk up to your car and, and put your hand in the door handle and open the door, right? So you're using, uh, uwa, uh, for ultra wide band, uh, was it ultra wide band frequency so that you don't have to pull your cart outta your pocket anymore. Uh, those are some things that you're starting to see kind of come up, uh, into a, a card reader type scenario or Axis control, uh, setups.

Brian Chee (00:53:34):
Yeah, and I'm actually really excited. One of the other things that we wanna go to is how do we handle guests? Cuz those pros cards, uh, cost money and Bluetooth, while it sounds like a great solution for your employees, it means you need Axis to that Bluetooth device to, um, bring it into the system. You guys are got a really unique use for your ai and that's QR codes for guests. It's how, how well has this been working? Um, do your, do the customers like this?

Rob Druktenis (00:54:12):
Yeah, they do. It's, it's a, it's a nice unique way to go ahead and, um, issue a credential through just a simple email. So what we're, what we're doing is we go in and create a user, just like you would a, a card holder, you point in their email address and then it sends an email to the, to the user that says, Hey, you're, you're going to be a visitor on such and such date. Here's a QR code link. You click on it, you install an app on your phone, and then alls they do is pop the app open, present it to an intercom that has video, and now they have Axis to the building. So, um, it's another way of issuing a credential that could be timestamped, but you're just simply sending them an email instead of actually sending a credential or going through the hoops of, even when you're doing Bluetooth, you have to have some type of sync or pairing that happens where on this front it's just have an intercom at the door with a, with a camera, or you could just have a camera installed at the door, above the door and they just present their, their phone to that, to that camera to gain Axis to the building.

Brian Chee (00:55:10):
Super cool. The world's changing. Um, I, you know, when I found out I could start using my phone instead of having to haul around a prox car, that was really great. Let's go in and talk a little bit more about the Edge devices. Lots and lots of people say, oh, I'm just gonna buy one of those H ik or, you know, cheap, cheap cameras. Why am I buying the more expensive ones? And I said, well, um, do you really value your security? Um, Axis has had a program for quite a while, um, to allow for the hardening of the cameras themselves. They're, they're running Linux, which is super cool. You can actually add all kinds of stuff. There's actually quite a few third party developers, but you folks have gone further and start talking about programs to harden. Um, is that handled out of Sweden or is that handled outta us or, you know, how do people get Axis to um, that information?

Rob Druktenis (00:56:14):
Yeah, it, it's handled by our, our team in Sweden. They, they, they actually, we actually use a, a third party to even test our systems for cybersecurity. And then they give us a, a report and says, you're vulnerable here. These are things you need to button up and things like that. So from that aspect, that's mostly handled at, at a Sweden side. But on the US side we actually create, uh, a hardening guide is what we call it. And, and it's not really anything really complicated. It's more just best practices because we can provide the secure elements, we can provide the sign firmware, we can provide all these good things, but we still need the customer or the integrator to actually implement some, you know, changing the passwords, setting up, uh, 8 0 2, uh, one x, right? Or setting up, um, let's say even on a, on a network level that, you know, we don't ha wanna have someone to be able to pull an edge reader off and then be able to have Axis to the system.

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So you have to harden that connection as well. So there's several different things and steps that we just give them as good practices to actually harden their system. And a lot of these things can just be done today without having any special, uh, setups. But the nice thing is, is with an Axis camera, we actually checked those things and actually give you warnings when those things aren't implemented, we actually make sure you enable now on that camera and h https connection so that it's secure at all times. You know, things like that are all, um, things that we find important and that we make sure are implemented in our cameras.

Brian Chee (00:57:39):
Hey Rob. You know, video management systems and Axis control systems typically have been just single company. Um, however the industry is moving towards multi-tenant, and this is yet one more thing that c is nudging along, you know, with telework centers and things like that. Um, what are you seeing in the industry? Is multi-tenant being addressed?

Rob Druktenis (00:58:07):
Yeah, there is, um, multi-tenant is being addressed and, and some of that, uh, kind of comes back to, I guess, so for instance, there's another company that, uh, Axis purchased about six years ago called two N. And they actually get into some of this multi tenants or even NDU for residential, where they're really focusing on segmenting those systems, but also having them all under one central, uh, hub, let's say, so that they can configure, you know, the common spaces and then have the other systems separated out. So it's more done at a software level, even at a edge level. Uh, we're starting to see more, um, of going almost to a cloud to make it simple to actually pull those systems in versus having a server and then trying to get networks to connect to each other and talk to each other, going to the cloud and creating a secure net connection that way we're finding is the way that you'd actually start to, to manage these, um, you know, multi-tenant type buildings and so on. So, um, it's definitely something that's coming up more and I think we're starting to see a transition. Again. That's part of the reason why I think cloud is also becoming more important, more important in the Axis control industry.

Brian Chee (00:59:16):
Super cool. I'm gonna do one last tooting of the Axis horn. One of the resources that, um, Axis has that I am really, really enthusiastic about is their, is your learning tools. Um, in fact, uh, we have the link in it's, um, Axis.com e n US slash learning and it allow you guys have lots of stuff. Um, I learned all kinds of really cool things about the ai, um, capabilities. I was really looking forward to learning more about license plate readers. Um, so we could do a head count on and off campus. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So what other kinds of things does Axis provide, um, to help people learn the industry? Cause you know, the IT world is taking over Axis control and video management. What other things, um, does Axis do to help you out?

Rob Druktenis (01:00:17):
Yeah, we definitely have our academy team that does a phenomenal job of going out and, and educating our teams, whether it's, um, at a regional level where we actually have resources in each, uh, business area within the US that they do hands on trainings and, and actually do overview trainings on technologies and so on. You actually get certifications, uh, through those training classes. And then, uh, kind of what you're showing here as well is, is our web-based, uh, type of e-learning and, and there's even, um, a way that we're finding ways that we're training people even, or it's not even training, but it's more making their lives easier and understanding technology. And that's even through some of our tools. So we have actual design tools that will take you through, well, how do I set a camera up and when I set it up this way, how do I program the software?

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So we actually make it easy and say, design the system in our utility. And then you take that configuration file and simply pull, pull it into our, uh, our servers and then everything populates based off of how you sold the project, right? So there's ways we to even try to make people's lives easier to, to, so that when they sell a system and they put it together and they configure it, it actually works the way that they originally designed it. So you're not relying on a technician or, or someone like that that goes out there and understands something differently and how it's supposed to work. It's actually done through the original configuration and the way it was sold and designed, uh, initially.

Louis Maresca (01:01:36):
Right, right. Well, unfortunately, time, well, unfortunately time wise when you're having fun, it's gone really fast. We have ton of stuff more to talk about, but we want to leave you a little room at the end here, Rob, to talk a little bit about where people could find more about Axis. You talked about some of the resources. There may be more about some of the Edge technology that you've been talking about.

Rob Druktenis (01:01:56):
Yeah, definitely. Uh, if you go to Axis.com, there's a ton of materials which you've already kind of see and even, uh, if you go to our YouTube channel, you'll find a lot of good educational tools there as well. So several different places that you can actually get this information from. But Axis.com and then our YouTube channel would be the best places for that.

Louis Maresca (01:02:14):
Fantastic. Well, thank you again for being here. We really appreciate you being on this weekend Enterprise Tech.

Brian Chee (01:02:19):
Thanks. Thanks for having me.

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See if that works. Yeah, something like that. <laugh>. But yeah, I've actually been playing with this for a very long time. I built command centers and I've seen the, um, market change rapidly. You know, one of my biggest costs used to be in EMT conduit just for the Axis control systems. I spent a King's ransom on that, but you know, such as I, anyway, you know, folks, if you wanna hear more about this kind of stuff, throw it at me. I'm on Twitter. I am A D V N E T l a advanced net lab. You're also on, by the way, that little orange bucket there. Those actually are, um, sandbag replacements. Uh, they're 10 foot and four foot. I've actually got a 17 foot for my garage door. You literally just fill it with water and it becomes about six inches tall and it replaces your sandbags.

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I would love to hear from you. And if you're also interested in what I do at Microsoft, definitely check out developers.microsoft.com/office. They repost all the latest ways, greatest ways you can customize office. In fact, some of the news ways, like office scripts, we can actually create JavaScript based macros. You can run them in power, automate behind the scenes on a schedule due to a trigger, whatever you wanna do. Really fun stuff. Really awesome way to create integration touchpoints into your office documents. So definitely check all of that out. I wanna thank everyone who makes this show possible, especially to Leo and Lisa. They continue to support this weekend enterprise tech each and every week, and we couldn't do the show without them. So thank you guys for all of your support over the years and of course, thank you to all the engineers and staff at twit who can do this show without them.

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And of course, I wanna thank Mr. Brian Che one more time as well because he's not only our co-host, but he's also our Titleless producer. He does all the bookings and the plannings for the show and we really couldn't do this show without him. So thank you cheaper for all your support. And of course, before we sign out, we have to thank our editor for today, Anthony. He makes this look good after the fact. He removes all of my mistakes. So thank you Anthony for, for fixing all that stuff, making it show more seamless. And of course our TD for today, the talented Mr. Ant Pruitt, it's great to have you back, sir. Did you do a hands on photography this week?

Ant Pruitt  (01:09:43):
Well, yes, Mr. Lou. I sure did. I was able to sit down with legendary AP photographer, Mr. Kevin Reese. I mean, he's been shooting for well over 30 years and getting shots like what you see right there on the screen. Oh,

Louis Maresca (01:09:55):
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Ant Pruitt  (01:09:55):
That Larry Bird? The famous Lakers and Celtics finals back in the eighties. Can you imagine being there taking those shots, man? Oh, it was such a great conversation with Mr. Reo. Check it out. Twit tv slash H O p.

Louis Maresca (01:10:10):
Wow. I'm going on a car trip in about an hour, I'm gonna take this with me. So thank you for giving me some content and listen

Ant Pruitt  (01:10:16):
To Thank you.

Louis Maresca (01:10:16):
Appreciate it and great seeing you, my friend. Well, until next time, I'm lu ska just reminding you if you wanna know what's going on in the enterprise, just keep twi,

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