This Week in Google 715, Transcript

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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for TWiG this week at Google, and there's a lot of Google this week. Stacey Higginbotham's here, Ant Pruitt, Jeff Jarvis. We'll talk about all the things Google talked about at Google io and whether Google I/O's keynote was a success or failure plus a little bit of other news. But really it's a, it's a Google Week this week on This Week in Google. Stay tuned

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This is TWiG This Week in Google. Episode 715 recorded Wednesday, May 10th, 2023. Illegal Use of Whipped Cream. This Week in Google is brought to you by Melissa. More than 10,000 clients worldwide rely on Melissa for full spectrum data quality and ID verification software. Make sure your customer contact data is up to date. Get started today with 1000 records, clean for free at melissa.com/twit and buy TWiT <laugh>. Thank you for listening. As an ad supported network, we're always looking for new partners with products and services that will benefit our audience. 99% of our audience listens to most or all of our shows. Grow your brand with authentic ad reads that always resonate with our audience. Reach out to advertise@twit.tv and launch your campaign now it's time for TWiG This Week in Google and today of all days. What, what makes today a special day of the year? Boys and girls, we'll talk about that with Jeff Jarvis, who's been here since the early morning hours. It seems. Buzzmachine.Com. He's tired of me. He's bored with me. He's fed up with me already. I love you. Are you kidding? Jeff is the Leonard tow professor for journalistic innovation at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Pigeons at the City University of New York. Author of the Guttenberg Parenthesis. Available for preorder now@guttenbergparenthesis.com. Thank you. Also hear from Hands on Photography, Twitter, at twit.tv/hop. A man who is desperate for questions for tomorrows. Ask me anything on Alex Wilhelm. We'll come up with some for you aunt. Get your pencil and paper. I'm sure. I'm sure you will number ask he group you are. Ask him what it's like living in Leo's childhood home. He does, you know, did you know that? Yes, I did. Yes. All right. Just don't I mentioned the address cuz we don't want to dox them. No, nah, we won't do that. Yeah, it's a weird we look forward to it though. Weird coincidence. But he's also a great financial reporter. Writes for Tech Crunch. There's lots if you just ask, get him started on, you know, what's going on with the economy. And I think you got two or three hours right there. Yeah. We'll be there two hours. Yeah. Right out the gate. <Laugh>. Exact Mente. That's for Club TWiT members tomorrow. What is it? 9:00 AM again. You do that.

Ant Pruitt (00:03:04):
9:00 AM Pacific time.

Leo Laporte (00:03:06):
Crazy man.

Ant Pruitt (00:03:07):
Only in our club. Twit Discord

Leo Laporte (00:03:09):
Gotta be there.

Ant Pruitt (00:03:10):
Club TWiT Discord

Leo Laporte (00:03:11):
Be there or be Square. Also with us, Stacey Higginbotham, who was prepared to begin much later today. Thank you for your patience. Stacey. Staceyoniot.com. Just stock up on the waffles. Stacey.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:25):
Oh, I don't want waffles right now. I just need needs. Oh, she's

Leo Laporte (00:03:28):
Got

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:28):
Cold. Sudafed

Leo Laporte (00:03:29):
Doesn't hurt and have a temperature. Are you okay?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:32):
I'm gonna be sad and pathetic and then I'm gonna sniff a lot.

Leo Laporte (00:03:34):
She's gonna talk like this. I'm sorry. Colds are the worst. Say or don't like em. No, don't like em. They're not the worst. Cold

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:42):
Cancer is

Leo Laporte (00:03:43):
The worst. Yeah, there's much worse. You're right. What am I saying? <Laugh>? They're just, you know, they're, they're annoying. Those are

Stacey Higginbotham (00:03:49):
Just mildly irritating. Yeah. They're

Leo Laporte (00:03:51):
Annoying like me. Yeah. No, you're not annoying <laugh>. No. What have I done to this show? Everybody on this show thinks I hate you, <laugh>. I I don't. I love you. I don't. I don't. You're not. None of you. You're all wonderful. We are. You know, what

Ant Pruitt (00:04:04):
Gets me is everybody's is like, oh boy, it's gonna be a late show. And, and Miss Stacy is gonna get tired and need our waffles. But everybody is totally looking over the fact that you've been there at the studio just as early as myself and Mr. Jammer B

Leo Laporte (00:04:19):
Oh yeah. You were here earlier. Bit punchy. I do. Even when

Ant Pruitt (00:04:22):
You're not <laugh> early,

Leo Laporte (00:04:23):
I'm already punchier. You're right. Did you notice that? Yeah. I'm punchy. Eh, what are you talking about? Actually, you know, Jeff and I watched the Google event cuz Google I/O was this morning we watched the Google event. And at the time I'm thinking Google's really lost their mojo. I mean, I've thought that the last few Google I/Os, but it just seemed disjointed. They spent an hour and 20 minutes basically saying nothing about a, that was their ai. Wait, no,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:04:58):
No. They, they said AI a lot. I think that's a lot.

Leo Laporte (00:05:02):
<Laugh> a lot. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:05:04):
I really appreciated how they were like, you know what? People think we suck at ai. We're gonna just show them all the ways that it has been a part of our product and we're gonna apply to, you know what, some of it was good. And I actually thought of Jeff when I saw Duets for work. Was it duets? Yeah. For Workspace. I'm excited by some of it. But you

Leo Laporte (00:05:22):
Thought of it too, <laugh>, you said, I bet I don't even get that. Yeah. I imagined <laugh>. Yeah. Well, but this was, I I was gonna finish the thought, which is, at the time it really felt like a disjointed, it was kind of disjointed. It was disproportionately devoted to a lot of handwaving. Like, no, no, we got ai, we got it. No, no. We got it. We got it. We're not going to give it to you. Yeah, but we got it. We've had it for a long time. We've been in this forever. An hour and 20 minutes of that. Then there was, it felt like an hour, but it was really only eight or nine minutes on wallpaper <laugh>. It was, it was, it was exactly seven

Ant Pruitt (00:05:56):
Minutes on the paper. That was painful. Oh man. That, that was painful.

Leo Laporte (00:05:59):
Geez. Because, you know, they're trying to show all the new features of the next Android, but it's like, we're, there's nothing new in any phone. Mo Almost everything they showed was catching up with, look, you touched the po the poop emoji and it moves. Oh God. It was just terrible. And then they finally, in the last half hour showed new products actually some interesting new products. They showed the, the new tablet, they finally released it, it's available today for pre-order ships next month. And it's the one that has the dock that I thought was pretty cool when they showed that included months ago. And the docks included in the 499 price for 128 gigs of Ram. It's a real tablet. That ends up being

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:38):
Disappointing.

Leo Laporte (00:06:39):
Oh, you are you disappointed the price

Stacey Higginbotham (00:06:41):
When we get there? No, not the price. I'm disappointed with the tablet. Oh, we can talk about that. Oh,

Leo Laporte (00:06:46):
We'll get there. We'll get there up. Yeah, we'll get there. They also showed the folding phone and that's you know, 1700 bucks. But we're gonna throw in a watch cuz we couldn't sell those anyway. And here have one of the Pixel watches, <laugh>, and and then, and then we're over. Bye-Bye. It was so I felt like this didn't, this wasn't great. But then there's a but coming here, Leo. Yes. There's a but. Because then I'm sitting in Windows Weekly and there's press release after press release after press release. And there's a ton of good stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. And I, and actually this more underscores my feeling that they just did not know how to deliver a decent keynote. They like, yeah. Need to get this thing in hand, because in fact there's some very, oh, I forgot to mention also the 7a, they, which, you know, I mean, nothing they announced we didn't know about. But yeah, I, you know, actually it seemed like the, it's better than I thought.

Ant Pruitt (00:07:42):
It seemed like the, the keynote was more about trying to appease the shareholders and the board by just saying AI 50 times an hour. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> ju just, just so the shareholders know. Well, Google's working on ai so my money's probably gonna be okay. That's, that's what it sounded like to me. Nothing that us quote normal folks would really care about.

Leo Laporte (00:08:05):
Well, and if the developer's conference, Stacy, if you were a developer Yeah. Would you be disappointed that you spend an hour and 20 minutes?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:14):
Oh yeah. If I was a developer. I mean, cuz it really didn't feel like, and it's not, I mean, Google Cloud is a developer conference. I always just there like, well, I mean, they want it to be like the keynote for wwdc ww

Leo Laporte (00:08:27):
Yeah, right, Mike, right. Microsoft's build is coming up. Apple's WWDC is coming up. Those are developer conferences. Google feels like they lost their mojo a

Ant Pruitt (00:08:39):
Million times.

Leo Laporte (00:08:40):
That was a, that was Apple. Yeah. Yeah. That was a couple of three years ago. This is,

Ant Pruitt (00:08:44):
This is their equivalent with ai,

Leo Laporte (00:08:45):
Ai, ai, ai, 5g,

Ant Pruitt (00:08:47):
5G, ai, ai,

Leo Laporte (00:08:48):
Ai ai. <Laugh>. alright, well, let's, okay, so Stacy, some of the things you saw were pretty cool. The keynote. Let's start with the keynote.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:08:57):
So the keynote I thought was, I guess probably cuz I was doing other things while I was watching it. I actually thought it was pretty good. God, I wish,

Leo Laporte (00:09:06):
I wish I had been. I should have brought across. Yeah. Like, were you making brownies? It

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:10):
Was good. No, I was, I was writing up my podcast post and editing some stuff. I mean, I was just working, working, you know, just had it on kind of Sundar talking about whatever. But like, you know, I thought, I thought it was important for them to emphasize that they've been doing AI for a while and they did a good job. I thought of that. I know we don't care about that, but it's important. I liked the, the, the fact that you could pull your photos. I thought of you Ant, like being able to generate auto generate mm-hmm. <Affirmative> Auto additional,

Leo Laporte (00:09:38):
Basically editing

Stacey Higginbotham (00:09:39):
Tools. Yeah. I thought that was like really nice. Those

Leo Laporte (00:09:42):
Are really good. Let me see if I can find it. They showed a picture of a kid with some balloons except as shot. The balloons are off, you know, partly off camera and the kid's not centered, which by the way happens all the time is what you want most of the time move. But you, you also nobody wants I mean, artistically you don't wanna put people that doesn't matter in the middle of the picture. But anyway, he wasn't in the middle. And the the cool part,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:05):
<Laugh>,

Leo Laporte (00:10:06):
So they stretch, they stretch, they moved the kid over, and the bench and the balloons are auto-generated stretched out that it fills it in. That was pretty cool. Yeah. They

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:17):
Cut and, and I thought it was really cool. They were like, you can change the sky. Yeah. And the lighting effect will change. And I'm, I wanna see this in real life. I wanna get Ant's opinion on it once we've got it in our hands. But like, that's the kind of practical stuff people love. I don't know how they're gonna charge for it. And I actually thought it was super compelling how they were pulling all of these integrations

Leo Laporte (00:10:44):
Thats the Keynote. I just

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:45):
New theme song. Yeah. I'm like, yes, I'll

Leo Laporte (00:10:47):
Look with that <laugh>. I I

Stacey Higginbotham (00:10:48):
Have to super compell. Wait,

Leo Laporte (00:10:50):
I have to point out that this is not, this is plenty of apps on Android that'll do this. <Laugh>. Yes. Right. I am I wrong? Yes. Right. Now's native though.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:01):
But now it's native and presumably it'll be better. You don't have to sit through ads or pay for it. But the other thing is

Leo Laporte (00:11:07):
They, Luma Fusion will put in any sky you want. I prefer not to do that because it becomes pretty obvious that you fake the sky. But okay. I guess in a snapshot. Well, that's what,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:17):
That's what Google's saying. It'll make it less obvious that you're faking the sky. And also my grandma is not gonna be like,

Leo Laporte (00:11:23):
Right. Grandma doesn't mind. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:26):
But the integrations with other Google stuff was really compelling. And I actually, I've been playing with Bard. Maybe I've just not like being able to export stuff into Google Sheets was cool. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (00:11:39):
That impression,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:11:41):
The sidekick stuff was amazing. I really wanna play with that. I can't wait. I'm like, and I loved how they emphasized, I understand why they did this, but it as a, like a Kickstarter, they called it a, what do they call it? A jumpstart. They used the word jumpstart so many times. The idea being that it jumpstarts or kickstarts Correct your creativity. Well, and they showed us how, which I think is important. What

Leo Laporte (00:12:06):
I interpret that as is, please don't use this for your content.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:12:11):
I know I, I know why they did it, <laugh>, but I also think it's important that you see people like showing you how to, to make this additive. Right? Yeah. Like, especially for people who aren't gonna, like, if you're a school teacher, dude, you're not gonna be playing with this in your spare time necessarily. You're, you're tired. Right. But if you can, if something like this comes along and is like, here, let me help you show your students how to use this in a more responsible way. That's really important.

Leo Laporte (00:12:37):
Here's Cinar Pacha demonstrating this new technique.

Speaker 5 (00:12:43):
As a parent, you always want your kid at the center of it all. And it looks like the balloons got cut off in this one. So you can go ahead and reposition the birthday boy. Magic editor automatically recreates parts of the bench and balloon. It's

Leo Laporte (00:12:59):
Fake Isn't fake news. Isn't that wild? Now I know, Anne, you're, you're gonna pixel peep this and you're gonna say, well actually

Ant Pruitt (00:13:09):
Right now dude, the color is off just a touch. Yeah. That can be fixed over time.

Leo Laporte (00:13:12):
And the bench fix that over time kinda smeared and, but you know, grandma ain't gonna notice. Grandma's gonna go, wow. It's, it's cute.

Ant Pruitt (00:13:21):
I think they did a fine job with that for something to do it right there on the phone for anybody to be able to do it. Not just, not just people that are used to opening up content and wear field inside of Photoshop.

Leo Laporte (00:13:32):
And I have to say credit to them for doing sewing something that people really would want and use. Yep. As opposed to, you know, just some, you know, look how I can take your table setting and put it in a spreadsheet or whatever it was they were doing. Or,

Ant Pruitt (00:13:47):
Or talking about classes and inheritance and Well, it's

Leo Laporte (00:13:51):
A develop, it's a developer conference, <laugh>, developers, like that kind of thing. <Laugh>, you know, so I think we know you and I just got up on the side of the bed, it appears. No. Cuz look at this Presente presenter who couldn't bo manage to stand up. So they had to, to give her, they had to give her a box for her arms and I can click. She was so tired that she had to lean on the p Hey,

Ant Pruitt (00:14:14):
Wait, maybe so hard when you brought that up. <Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:17):
Maybe she has other issues

Leo Laporte (00:14:19):
Now. Maybe. Okay, fine. You're right. Was the one with issues here. Divorce, freezing. I completely them

Ant Pruitt (00:14:26):
<Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:14:26):
She might be like, you, you have floppy hands. Maybe she has floppy elbows. She said that she

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:30):
Could have floppy. Yeah, she could be like, like having, you know, long covid, who knows.

Ant Pruitt (00:14:38):
Yeah. It just,

Leo Laporte (00:14:40):
I've been in TV long enough to know that a director, she did it without the box and the director's going crazy cuz the phone's moving around and the camera can't hold it. And they go get her an Apple box and put her elbows on it. And so they have a solid phone. She's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:14:53):
Probably nervous then

Leo Laporte (00:14:54):
She was, oh my god, several presenters. And this was the other thing. And then I have to give 'em some slack four. Remember this is the first one where they're really coming back from Covid after three years of like, we're gonna present this at a, at, at a, at a coffee table in our living room. And everybody, everybody's gonna be in their bare feet. Which they literally did with one of their pixel announcements. So at least two of them said, oh, it's tough being in front of this such a big crowd. Like, they haven't been out in public in a while. So, okay, I'll, I'll cut 'em some slack

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:27):
In Google. I mean, I know if you're gonna be an executive, you do have to have presentation skills, but like Google sometimes pulls up some really deep, deep cuts on the executive team and you know, they're also pretty, anyway,

Leo Laporte (00:15:41):
Highlight for me.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:15:42):
I'm gonna give people a slack. Yes. Stacey's

Jeff Jarvis (00:15:44):
All

Leo Laporte (00:15:44):
Positive to me. She's a nice person and she's, you know what, in a way I want to agree with you because is he, after I saw the press releases, Google had a lot to talk about. I think the only complaint I have is that the present, that the keynote as a whole wasn't very well thought. For instance, one of the demos they did not polished. It wasn't very polished. One of the demos, what you're saying,

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:03):
Julio, is it didn't have a strategic thread that

Leo Laporte (00:16:06):
Went through it. Mostly. It's that it didn't have a massive, I could forgive polished. There's a lot of unpolished keynotes that's normal. You know, apples raised the bar, but most companies are, you know, but mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I wanted to see this, and this is where I think a failure of leadership. There should be a vision and a through thread through the whole thing. This is who we are and, and what you said, j we stand for

Jeff Jarvis (00:16:27):
Responsible ai. Exactly. We stand, we we will do it. Right. you can trust us. Something

Leo Laporte (00:16:32):
Like that. That was the message they were trying to get. But I don't think they came of across, but they didn't, it didn't come through.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:16:37):
Oh, I thought, I thought they did some, I thought the ideas that they had were pretty strong. They uttered like, if I had been there and you know, you could interrupt a keynote task, a question, I would've been like, I'm sorry. How are you going to ask other people to showcase their meditator or make sure they put their fake watermarking in there? Right. They talked about detecting fake watermarking. I would've loved to see that demo. The, they have a lot of things where I feel like I really felt like Google's like, oh crap. Say I stuff I know we're not doing evil anymore. Or we're, we're not, we're okay with evil, but we probably wanna do this. Like, I really thought that that came through in a way, but also it underscored how, how little they can do without any sort of big overarching federal legislation or like,

Leo Laporte (00:17:29):
Also how little

Stacey Higginbotham (00:17:29):
Power they have in this industry. I,

Leo Laporte (00:17:31):
I've heard this tune before from Google, year after year, they show stuff and they sing their praises and never release it or release it many years later. Watered down. I mean I, I'm not, they didn't convince me. Now there was one thing, and I I will say this was really the strong suit. They did bring out somebody they've appointed as the senior vice president who res reports directly to Sun Pacha, essentially for AI responsibility and ethics. Hi

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:02):
Everyone. Society. That

Leo Laporte (00:18:03):
Was a good segment. James Vanka. And he is real heavy. He's been, he's worked in the Obama administration, worked for the un He's a, was a partner at McKinsey. I mean, he is a real heavyweight and presumably has the ear of Pacha and is brought in really to think about the impacts on society of ai. So his presentation was pretty good. I thought that was kind of the final Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:18:27):
Can, can we stay on that for one second, Leah? Sure. I think it's, I think that is really important. I think that could have been the thread that went through. Yes. And what he presented was stuff that this information people, I, I've, I, I asked for it myself. I've been at Google Newsgeist and every year we say a session that I started, what should Google do? Cuz he kind, it's a plug for my book. And every year I say, give us the provenance of images. Let us know the first time you saw this image so we can know whether it's really new, really old, where it came from and so on. Let

Leo Laporte (00:18:58):
Me show you that clip and let me show you the clip because this is exactly what he was talking about. Do you have his audio?

Speaker 7 (00:19:05):
You'll be able to see important information such as when and where similar

Leo Laporte (00:19:10):
Images. Lemme jump back so we get the audio. Okay. Oh, now I've lost it. Shoot, <laugh>, I apologize. Here we go.

Speaker 7 (00:19:20):
One area that is top of mind for us is misinformation. Generative AI makes it easier than ever to create new content, but it also raises additional questions about its trustworthiness. That's why we're developing and providing people with tools to evaluate online information. For example, have you come across a photo on a website or one shared by a friend with very little context like this one at the moon landing. So

Leo Laporte (00:19:52):
This is of the staged moon landing. They've, they've got the lunar lander and they've got an astronaut, but then they have, you know, in a fake lunar landscape and a bunch of directors and producers and camera people who are faking it. Right.

Speaker 7 (00:20:05):
And find yourself wondering, is this reliable? I have, and I'm sure many of you have as well, in the coming months, we're adding two new ways for people to evaluate images. First, without about this image tool in Google search, you'll be able to see important information such as when and where similar images may have first appeared, where else the image has been seen online, including news, fact checking and social sites. And

Leo Laporte (00:20:36):
What you learn, of course, is that that image is a mid journey AI generated image. And, and there's enough, you know, background material to show. Now here's the drawback. You had to do a Google image search to find that out. Right? Well,

Jeff Jarvis (00:20:51):
But, but, but, but there's a few things. One is it also shows you, when you ask about an image using lens, they're gonna use it. You can tell you this thing was generated by and so on and so forth. So, so so

Leo Laporte (00:21:01):
They're gonna add it to lens. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:21:03):
It's, it's first, it's, it's for I think one level, it's not for everybody. It's for researchers and journalists to be able to say, to fact check and say, this is where this came from. We know we have a new tool. Yeah. But it can be for everybody too. And I argue that we're all gonna have more responsibility for figuring out what's true and what's false out there. And this is another tool to do that. The other part of this too is that they also talked about, he also talked about watermarking images, and I presume at some point text too. So we can have more sense of the provenance of where this stuff comes from. Is everybody screaming about, oh my God, there's gonna be all this disinformation manufactured by the machine. Yes, there will be. But this was a moment of great responsibility that Google was finally responding to what information re this information researchers have wanted. And the, the underlying message is, we're gonna try to do ai, right? We're gonna try to do it responsibly. What do we succeed? But this is how we're trying to do it. I think that was just by far the best part of it. Sorry, Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:22:04):
No, that's right. And they actually, even when they like talked about bar doing code, they actually, if you do code, if you have it generate code for you, it's like it actually annotates the code and says, Hey, this was generated by, I don't know if it says by Bard, but whatever. And again, you can strip that out, but those are the kind of things that we need to be looking for. And yes, it'd be great if the whole industry does it, but it's also kind of cool. Like, you know how we people associate Apple with privacy. Google might have a chance to come in here and we search Google to make sure our information is accurate. Right. And that's, they could be like Snoops

Leo Laporte (00:22:43):
Again.

Jeff Jarvis (00:22:44):
That's why. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Wouldn't that be amazing? Yeah. You know, the other thing too is, is that, is that they're finally talking about, about AI and search. And I've been arguing that Microsoft is doing this terribly irresponsibly and Google by trying to chase Microsoft as being irresponsible. Word assembly machines are not good at facts, but the way that Google showed AI in search, and I wanna play with it a lot more and learn a lot more about it, but it was, rather than saying it did say, here's a paragraph, but then it showed, here's where we got the information, each of those paragraphs and it, and it was more iterative in saying, okay, you searched for this, now you probably want this, then you're gonna want a list of that. And that's a cleverer use of AI than simply, let me regurgitate words back to you if you're, but they, again, they didn't present it very well.

Leo Laporte (00:23:29):
Yeah. If you're interested. Yeah. It was very disjointed. And you know, we have to work disagrees to boil it down to find those nuggets in the draws. There's a lot of draws. This, by the way, if you want to try all of these things there, many of them are gonna be in the G co slash labs and address Sunar got wrong, by the way, G co slash <laugh> labs. And then you can, you'll have to have the appropriate app on your phone and all of that. But some of this stuff you can use right away, including, it was pretty funny, this Project Tailwind, which they even admitted. Yeah, we got a bunch of guys together and they put this, they cobbled this together in five days. It's like, you weren't, you knew that the io keno was coming, right? But five days ago they got some guys leadership,

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:18):
Five days or five people. I couldn't,

Leo Laporte (00:24:20):
There was five days. He said Five

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:21):
Days he said it five days.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:23):
That's Google. That's part of that. Like, I don't know, let's get some engineers, let's see what happens. Yeah, that's

Leo Laporte (00:24:29):
Know, it's Google. That's exactly what I'm saying. <Laugh>. But why is that acceptable?

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:33):
That's my problem. I mean this, well, it's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:35):
Acceptable because they're, they're trying, they're Google is an engineering, they don't have team, right? Google's known like Apple is the polished, like they Apple would, apple would never,

Leo Laporte (00:24:49):
Oh God. Yeah. They haven't announced anything yet. Right?

Jeff Jarvis (00:24:51):
Yeah, that's really true. You're really true.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:24:53):
Goofy engineering buddies. We're just gonna see

Leo Laporte (00:24:56):
What happens. Well, and that's how they sold it forever. Like, look how amazing these tools are. We are able to get this together in five days. <Laugh> <laugh>, and actually this was one of the things that Jeff and I both thought, oh, that's actually pretty cool. Project Tailwind will take. One of the things they said is, look, the AI is better if it's in a, you know, a kind of a limited knowledge area. So as an example, project Tailwind takes your Google Docs, like Jeff's notes for all of his books, and then assembles them into a notebook where you can ask questions of your own research. And that kind of does make sense, I guess. It's ki it's taking off on a very popular idea called Ze Costin. In fact, you'll notice if you look at the Project Tailwind animated gif, you can do on your research a reading quiz, which means they expect students to use this right.

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To, to take notes and then, and then test their knowledge on the notes for the final and new ideas. Now, this is the one I have some questions about. One of the reasons you'll do Zettel Costin or some sort of notetaking methodology is because when you have all these disparate notes and you start making connections, you get new ideas. But if you let the machine do it for you, a, it ain't gonna be a very interesting new idea and B, you're not doing it. So I don't know how valuable that's gonna be, but Jeff, you think, you thought this would be kind of cool for your notes, say on the, on the Gutenberg book? Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:21):
And I, and I think well I've already written that book, part of the internet book I desperately need. I got, I got files and files and files and files. Yeah. That's a

Leo Laporte (00:26:28):
Challenge. Great. You do all these interviews and all this research. How do you tie it all into a, a coherent hole?

Jeff Jarvis (00:26:34):
So I I I think that there's a lot there to play with that's really interesting. And what I also liked about it is that it's concentrating on limited sets of data that rather than, and and this is what Tim, guru, guru and Margaret Mitchell and company in the stochastic Paris Paper said Margaret Mitchell's been very big on this, or Bender has been very big on this saying, stop boys with trying to get size matters when it comes to your learning set. It, it's, it's, it's unproductive. It's harder to monitor. It doesn't really work. What you've gotta go for is limited sets of data that the system can learn on and be reliable in learning on it. And you know where it came from. Then you can monitor it and audit it and you can verify things. And that's a much better way to go. So when you get down to the tiniest to the tiny and it's going on just the data in your phone or just the data in your Google Docs or just the data in your company that becomes a much more interesting use of the capabilities of LLMs to me.

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And this, we have all the knowledge of the world and it's gonna destroy humanity. Bs

Stacey Higginbotham (00:27:46):
Yeah. As a journalist, like I love, like Project Tailwind to me is like, it is basically a better Google Brain. I always joke that I would search my articles and like my brain is either in my inbox or my brain is in my, it it's in my, I call it the morgue, but it's not really a morgue cuz it's an online thing. It's not a place where my old clips are. But having, being able to put all of my notes, I would feel weird about just because some of it's under embargo or secret like that, that gets a little dicey. But like,

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:19):
If it stayed on your machine, if you knew it

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:21):
Stayed, it stayed on my machine, but it's connected to the internet. So

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:25):
You're still nervous.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:26):
I mean, I don't really write national security stories, but, you know,

Leo Laporte (00:28:29):
No, that's a legitimate concern. And that's one of the things they kind of tried to address early on is, is privacy. But again, I think they could have made a more coherent statement of their commitment to keeping your data private on device. Making it safe for somebody like you to use

Jeff Jarvis (00:28:48):
Well, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:28:49):
Just to be able to say like, oh, how did I define peering? How did I do this? Or Right. Can to have something sum up, here's my

Leo Laporte (00:28:57):
Question, can you trust it

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:00):
If it's only on my data? Yeah. Because I've written that and fact checked it already. And you can

Jeff Jarvis (00:29:05):
Fact, and you can check your own data again. You can look it up. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:29:08):
So I I love that idea. It would be, yeah, because like, I get it, half of my job when I'm writing something new, especially about the news, is just summarizing the stuff. Like the six years of everything that has happened before. So that's kind of neat.

Leo Laporte (00:29:26):
I think, you know, again, as always with Google io, I look at this stuff, some of this stuff you can do right now, some of this stuff you can do later. Some of the stuff you may never be able to do and it's not always clear what's what. So it's a, so I always think everything we see as a demo and, and maybe it's a good idea, but you won't really know till you try it. Right. Maybe, maybe you'll get some insights. Maybe you won't though. I mean, maybe. I mean, the problem with ai, it's just confidently wrong. Conf it's so confident. <Laugh>. I just, I don't know if it's gonna be that useful. Well

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:04):
It's trained on your data then. I mean it kind of depends on what you're asking, I guess. I think it's a better guess. It's a

Leo Laporte (00:30:10):
Better guess. It's not a large language if Model Trust, it's a Stacy language model.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:30:15):
Yeah. And I trust Stacy language.

Leo Laporte (00:30:18):
Right. <laugh>. Here's Sunar talking about some of the features in Gmail. This they say is real. Talk

Speaker 5 (00:30:24):
About let's get started. Seven years into our journey as an AI first company. We are an exciting No,

Leo Laporte (00:30:32):
By the way, see we've been doing this for seven years. We've been, you've been here really? We were here before that. We

Speaker 5 (00:30:37):
Have an opportunity to make AI even more helpful. That's true for people, for businesses, for communities, for everyone. We've been applying AI to make our products radical

Leo Laporte (00:30:50):
More helpful for a while because I thought

Speaker 5 (00:30:52):
That was generative ai. We are taking the next step with the bold, all our core products, including search. You will hear more later in the keynote. Let me start with few examples of how generative AI is helping to evolve our products. Starting with Gmail. In 2017, we launched Smart Reply.

Leo Laporte (00:31:17):
Do you use smart replies, Stacy? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I've used them. I don't Apple, I mean,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:31:23):
Sometimes if they're appropriate.

Leo Laporte (00:31:25):
Yeah. I use them. You know, where they're really, they never sounded like me. They're more useful in texting to me than they are in, in Mail. But I use 'em on Apple messages. Yes. Yes. On the phone and on my watch, sometimes I'll get a message and it suggests, cause I'm not gonna do a lot of typing on my watch, but it'll suggest Yeah. Right. And I'll use that. Sometimes that makes sense. It makes me sound a little robotic. It's as polite or as No, as firm as Mr. Pruit. So this is a step, right? Exactly. This is a step farther. Watch this, watch this.

Speaker 5 (00:31:52):
Short responses you could select with just one click. Next game, smart Compose, which offered writing suggestions as you type. Smart compose led to more advanced writing. So this

Leo Laporte (00:32:05):
All exists

Speaker 5 (00:32:06):
Now. My ar

Leo Laporte (00:32:07):
I always hate what it's proposing cliche than I was going

Speaker 5 (00:32:10):
Hundred 80 billion times in the past year alone. And now with a much more powerful generator model, we are taking the next step in Gmail with Help Me Ride. Let's say you got this email

Leo Laporte (00:32:23):
Interesting

Speaker 5 (00:32:24):
That your flight was canceled, the airline has sent a voucher. But what you really want is a full refund reply and use, help me write, just type in the prompt of what you want and email

Leo Laporte (00:32:37):
That for full refund. For a full refund

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:39):
For this canceled claim. A flight

Speaker 5 (00:32:40):
And a full draft appears.

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:42):
Okay. But this is the first draft,

Speaker 5 (00:32:43):
As you can see it conveniently pulled in flight details from the previous email. Nice. And it looks pretty close to what you want to send.

Jeff Jarvis (00:32:52):
I understand you're offering a voucher as a gesture of goodwill, but I'd be preferred to be reimbursed for the cost of my ticket. I appreciate your understanding.

Speaker 5 (00:33:00):
Maybe you want to refine it further. In this case, a more elaborate email might increase the chances of getting the refund. <Laugh>,

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:09):
I'm

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:09):
Feeling lucky. <Laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:10):
I have been a loyal custom drew you giving my money money many years. However, I am very disappointed with the way my recent flight was handled. This caused me a great deal of inconvenience. I believe a full refund is the only fair way. It's, this is good at writing an angry letter, right? Un until, until the airline gets a hundred of these <laugh>. Yeah. Well, what They won't all be the same. That's one thing at least generative AI is good at is not repeating itself so much. Right? Maybe not. Maybe, maybe if you sent out a thousand, there'd only, so I wrote a cover story. If you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:41):
Cancel that many flights, you might end up

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:43):
Yeah. Might, but you

Stacey Higginbotham (00:33:44):
Would end up with that with people anyway. Yeah. So,

Jeff Jarvis (00:33:46):
And it's pretty believable. Go ahead, Jeff. I filed a freedom information request some years ago with the Federal Communications Commission because they, they imposed what was then the largest fine in their history to Fox entertainment for illegal use of whipped cream. I'll spare you the details. <Laugh>. And there were thousands. What's an illegal use of whipped cream? I was somehow sexual ripped cream in prime time and it was gonna corrupt America. Okay. So supposedly there were thousands of responses. This is why the FCC had to act and had to do the most, the biggest fine ever in history until Howard Stern later. And I got all of the, all the responses, all of them. And it turned out that all but two were were from the same ah, the council. Yep. Right? Yep. So that meant that only three Americans had taken the time to actually write a letter complaining. Yeah. But it didn't matter because I got a thousand. There were thousands of the FCC used it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:44):
The FCC now puts those when you make the comment, they're online and you can search. You could actually

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:49):
See Yeah, it's because of me. Oh, okay. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:34:52):
Because again, that neutrality, you're like, yeah. Boom.

Jeff Jarvis (00:34:55):
And by the way, we now have a show title and the illegal use of whipped cream. So <laugh>, thank you for that, <laugh>. You're welcome. You know, know, I always love it when what I, what comes out of my mouth. My accident ends up at the show title. I don't know. That just makes me very happy. <Laugh> feels like a little bit of posterity there, you know. All right, let's go on with Cinar. Pacha <laugh>. So he's, he's written a really nasty note. One more time.

Speaker 5 (00:35:21):
The next example is maps. Since the early days of Street View AI

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:27):
Is, I'm gonna skip this. We've actually seen this, but you know

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:30):
What was really cool?

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:32):
The world.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:32):
Oh yeah. I don't care about that. You can stop that. Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (00:35:34):
Sit back. What was really cool

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:36):
When they were talking about like, listing colleges, and then this was part of the kind of export to other Google things where they're like, show me on a map. Because when I'm like, oh, shoot, I need the following. Like, gimme some. As

Leo Laporte (00:35:46):
Long as those colleges are real.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:50):
Okay, Leo, I get that. You think that these things

Leo Laporte (00:35:54):
Show me on a map. One

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:55):
Is going people the question, the

Leo Laporte (00:35:57):
Reality of the college. Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:35:59):
This again, is the jumpstart. That's why they emphasized the jumpstart. That's all this is. Right? And you know what? You have to do this. And it's a much easier way to, if I could spend 10% of my time on the early phase of any research project, as opposed to spending a quarter of my time and then validating, why wouldn't I do that?

Leo Laporte (00:36:19):
Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:20):
Validation's always a step.

Leo Laporte (00:36:21):
I'm not an expert in this. So it's maybe you have to release it to the public and let them bang on it. But maybe you could also write something that instead of having absolutely no care for the f for the factuality of what it's writing, also had a step of saying, let's make sure this is real and we're not making up stuff. And neither Microsoft nor Google with Bard seems to have yet figured out a way to say this should be factual. And I think that that's gonna be problematic. He

Stacey Higginbotham (00:36:57):
Talked about, so he taught, CCHA talked about training the models initially on mathematical and physics data to give it a basis in like logic and facts. You can't, when you, when you train something from the internet, you're gonna get wacked things just like I was taught by a crazy seventh grade teacher. And I have in my head a whole year's worth of

Leo Laporte (00:37:24):
<Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:25):
Weird rules that explains it from this. It's all

Leo Laporte (00:37:28):
Seventh grade. Good point. Good point.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:31):
No, I mean, you're, you're gonna encounter wrong information Yeah. In your search. Good point.

Leo Laporte (00:37:37):
Well, I mean, fine. Then that's my question. Again, I'm not an expert in this, but is that necessary or, or yes

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:45):
Or nothing is authoritative?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:48):
Nope.

Leo Laporte (00:37:50):
Wolf Wolf from Alpha does not make mistakes.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:54):
Wolf from Alpha is a math engine.

Leo Laporte (00:37:57):
Okay.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:37:58):
Math is like,

Leo Laporte (00:37:59):
Which has Sundar said they're starting with math. They, they're emphasize, they're, he emphasized, they're, I gotta point out neither Chad GBT or Mard does math correctly. So they're not even doing this, you know, base of this. Yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:13):
Yeah. But they're,

Leo Laporte (00:38:14):
So maybe they should

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:15):
Have, that's not core function.

Leo Laporte (00:38:16):
Well, I know the core function has nothing to do with accuracy. However, maybe it should, especially if you're going to give people information about what colleges are out there with these courses. If you've paid no attention to the, the actual veracity of the material, it seems like that's a bad idea. Yes. If

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:36):
That's the case,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:36):
That's, that's why they's

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:37):
Question.

Leo Laporte (00:38:38):
That's why there's, you're like saying we gotta build, we gotta build you know, we gotta build cars that emit poisonous gas first to see if, if it kills people. And then we can put out cars that aren't well dangerous. There's

Jeff Jarvis (00:38:51):
Poison, this, that,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:38:53):
So what they're like, as a journalist, you're sort of a journalist. So we'll use this <laugh>. I have an, I have a story. I'm gonna come up with something. I'm gonna start with a simple Google search. Before I talk to any experts, I'm just gonna try to wrap my head around what I'm trying to figure out. So let's say it's six G I'm gonna be like, okay, six G, what is it? What does it look like? Okay. And I'm gonna go through my searches and some of them are gonna look authoritative and some of them aren't. And then I'm gonna call people who know, and then I'm gonna report something that's factual to me. What they're doing with like the college search or any of this jumpstart stuff is simply the same thing I would do anyway on Google. It's just a little bit better and it's gonna be better organized for my consumption. Right.

Leo Laporte (00:39:37):
Tim, you're initial's point was because it's coming out of the mouth of this computer, people give it more import and trust it and say it's accurate. And that's very, I know we, I'm just making the point they made

Jeff Jarvis (00:39:51):
Across.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:39:53):
I know that's true. But we have to do that across all, not just in information. We have to do that in terms of like our politics. When we talk about things being data driven, that's stupid. We still have like data can it, it's the same thing. We're always learning is people, which is, data can lie, experts can lie. We have to validate for ourselves.

Jeff Jarvis (00:40:13):
And Leo, to your point about the car, yeah. You're gonna start driving cars before you realize the impact of parking lots and pollution and all that. And in essence, we've sp up. And, and so the, the other two announcements today that were, that were critical here is that chat, g p t open AI says they're building a system to understand how their system operates, right. Because it kind of got away from them. And philanthropic is building the constitution for their ai and they're doing that. And I, and I think that that's important that they are trying to reverse engineer back in sense and ethics and things. Is it too late? Should they stop for six months? No, that's ridiculous. But is there a chance to learn as you go? Yeah, I think so. I just saw a fascinating paper that came across from a Kurt Gray, a U n C professor just, just on Twitter that, that looked at the moral judgments they got outta chat G p T 3.5, and they put all kinds of questions to them versus there's data on what people judged of these things. And it was 95% the same, which is to say that check G P t spits back what we think. And so obviously we gotta blame ourselves a lot.

Leo Laporte (00:41:38):
I mean, I, you know, I guess I like Wikipedia a lot and there's plenty of contractual stuff in Wikipedia. It just seems

Jeff Jarvis (00:41:47):
Not that much, not that much

Leo Laporte (00:41:49):
Enough that if you, enough that it's fine. If you quoted it without checking you, you might quote miss, you're risky. Yeah, that's true. That's risky.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:41:59):
Yeah. But you should never

Leo Laporte (00:42:00):
Quote, but you shouldn't. I mean, yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (00:42:02):
Any one thing

Leo Laporte (00:42:03):
That, but there is a difference I think when you're doing search results versus you know, right. I mean, don't we trust search results? No,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:12):
No. God, with the spamming and the manipulation of search results,

Leo Laporte (00:42:16):
Please. No. And there's also the larger concern that these engines, these tools make it possible to create massive amounts of misinformation very rapidly. So we, we've kind of weaponized misinformation in the same way that we weaponize social media and now we're gonna have 10 x a hundred x the amount of misinformation. It, you know, it, it's, it's manageable when it's Wikipedia and you can check how manageable is it if, if all of a sudden this stuff is spewing forth everywhere. I think this was a reasonable concern that Tim, Nick, it is a

Stacey Higginbotham (00:42:53):
Reasonable concern. But to, to push back and make that your, if that is your primary concern, we need to say, okay, well how do we deal with this's instead of just throwing out the baby with the bathroom? Oh no,

Leo Laporte (00:43:05):
I'm, I'm saying that I, how, what I'm saying is no, no, what I'm, so there are people saying, oh yeah, you gotta stop this cuz it's gonna be sky nett and take over the world. And that's completely missing the point. The real danger of this is not that the real danger of this is it's just gonna flood the zone with crap. And I think it's not inappropriate for companies like Microsoft and Google and Open AI and Thropic and the rest to, to, to kind of think about that, consider that. And maybe instead of just pushing out something that is so bad at, at creating factual material, they should maybe have gone the extra step to make it more reliable. I don't how hard is that to do? Maybe it's, this is where, I don't know, maybe it's not possible. Maybe you can't, in which case it is. Well, that's

Jeff Jarvis (00:43:53):
Where you look at the open API open, I mean the opening AI story and you got Sam saying how incredibly difficult it is. What, what they're looking at literally is neurons. They're saying when the word dollar is recommended, it looks at what other things flash up and what connections.

Leo Laporte (00:44:10):
It doesn't, it doesn't know context. It doesn't know what a dollar is.

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:12):
So they don't even know how that operates. They're, they're learning things about how their own machine operates.

Leo Laporte (00:44:17):
Maybe you wouldn't wanna slow down a little bit then <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:20):
I mean, you wanna stop for six months. You, you wanna agree with?

Leo Laporte (00:44:23):
No, we don't. I don't like the six month hold, but I wish these companies had been a little bit more and I, you know, I thought Google was gonna be a little bit more circumspect. And but maybe we're

Jeff Jarvis (00:44:33):
Saying that the

Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:33):
Argument is being circum. There's, I think they're being circumspect around things that make sense, which is annotation, being able to watermark what they can do. I think that they should be also making, advocating for like a big federal push for this or

Leo Laporte (00:44:46):
No. Sure. No, no. I, I don't want the feds to come in. In fact, that's, that's the argument for them doing it themselves. Because if they don't, then there's the risk. The feds are gonna come in and they're gonna mishandle it.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:44:56):
There's definitely rules. Like I think there's rules for auditing. I think there's rules for making sure, cuz there are always gonna be crappy people in companies and governmental organizations who don't have budget to throw people out of the loop on important AI-based decisions. And that's gonna cause a lot of problems.

Leo Laporte (00:45:12):
Do you think having a ai search will be better than having just plain old Google page rank based search?

Stacey Higginbotham (00:45:19):
So I am really intrigued by this as a person who's running a media company. Kevin and I were talking about SEO and what this means because it kind of changes the nature of the content that I would produce for some search terms. Like we get a lot of search terms, cuz we wrote very early on about shutting with mesh routers. You've got five gigahertz wifi and 2.4 gigahertz wifi. But a lot of smart home devices only have 2.4. So if you've got a mesh system, sometimes it's like your device freaks out. So we got to, we ex wrote an article explaining that and then talking about how to avoid that in some routers. And that's like one of our most search for things, right? There would be a benefit for us to actually keep that more up to date because we're gonna, over time, it, it's become, you know, there are routers that are no longer relevant, right? It was like euro fives. And so there's a benefit for us to, if we wanna have authority to keep our content continuously fresh on hot topics and to add more keywords over time that, you know, we're not doing today. I don't know if we're ever gonna do that, but it's something to think about.

Leo Laporte (00:46:27):
And AI searching your bothers better for that than Google's page rank.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:46:32):
Yeah, I mean, if you're searching for, if you search for that today in Google, like why doesn't my, you know, whatever, my 2.4 gigahertz iott device not connect. I don't know if my article will come up there or not, but you know, you get a lot of like stupid, you get my site might come up and I feel like it's authoritative and it's not scammy with ads. Or you get like wiki how

Jeff Jarvis (00:46:55):
I was gonna say, or you probably get a lot of wiki how out there that are sort

Leo Laporte (00:46:58):
Of Well, and look what cnet was doing generating in fact red ventures with all of their properties. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, like Bankrate is doing, they're generating link bait with ai. My numbers today, they could do it really quickly and cheaply.

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:12):
12% study, 12% of all ads online are going to AI manufactured made for advertising sites. So we were already there even before chat JP really takes off. There's a lot of stuff that's just purely generated.

Leo Laporte (00:47:25):
We'll multiply that by 10.

Jeff Jarvis (00:47:28):
Well, and that's what, you know, what bothered me the most about today's presentation was the PowerPoint stuff. The, the sheet stuff is that you know, PowerPoint already ruined human thinking enough <laugh> and turned it into simple stupid little thoughts, right? And now the machine is gonna make the PowerPoint and all the illustrations on it and the talking notes on it. And so nothing's real. Right? Friend of mine named Matthew Kirschenbaum from the University of Maryland wrote a piece for the Atlantic a few weeks ago about the text apocalypse. Where he is saying is there's gonna be so much text, text becomes absolutely meaningless and devalued. And I think it's true.

Leo Laporte (00:48:06):
Let's watch real briefly, let's watch the Google Sheets presentations.

Speaker 8 (00:48:11):
One of our most popular use cases is the trustee job description. Every business, big or small needs

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:18):
Google sheets are slides

Speaker 8 (00:48:20):
A good job.

Leo Laporte (00:48:20):
Slides. Yeah,

Speaker 8 (00:48:21):
Yeah, yeah. Can make all the difference. Here's how docs has been helping. Say you run a fashion boutique and need to hire a textile designer. Oh, this is what to get started.

Leo Laporte (00:48:31):
Wait a minute, let me, let me find,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:32):
Yeah. This is sheets, not slides.

Leo Laporte (00:48:33):
Let me, let me find the, there is the slides. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:36):
The fondue pizza.

Leo Laporte (00:48:37):
The, the pizza. Cheesy fondue pizza. That was horrible. Yeah. I

Stacey Higginbotham (00:48:41):
Don't know. I was like, why am I not dipping my pizza in cheese? <Laugh>, thanks AI <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:48:47):
This is sheets

Jeff Jarvis (00:48:48):
I said, I said on the show today, there'll be, there'll be tos with recipes by tonight. <Laugh>

Leo Laporte (00:48:56):
Is this it? This is the mystery of Mermaid Cove. I don't wanna do that. All right. No, not that again, please. Yeah. I'm sorry. I hope you held your thoughts, Stacy. Cuz why don't you go ahead and I will try to find this.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:09):
Okay. So I'm gonna counter, like, as someone who writes speeches, I actually thought this was super helpful because when I'm preparing I hate preparing slides. I would rather just get up and talk to people. Yeah. But everyone wants some sort of slide. Yeah. I love the fact that my slides are super usually really text heaven. They act almost as my notes, like, oh, this is the bullet point I wanna make and then I keep going. So I love the fact that I could actually come up with better illustrations for things that are pretty esoteric. So that's cool for me. And I never make speaker notes. So it's kind of like, ooh,

Leo Laporte (00:49:43):
It, it was auto generating speaker notes. That was kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:47):
I was like, back,

Jeff Jarvis (00:49:48):
Back how I'll read. I'm, I am very excited to be here.

Leo Laporte (00:49:51):
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:49:52):
<Laugh>. Well, no, I don't, so I don't read <laugh>. I mean, my speaking style is very like, Hey everybody, what's up? And then I'm kind of, but I am glancing at my slides to make sure that I'm staying on target and that point, right? But I, and I like slides. They help me think I am not a very, like, it helps me organize my thinking in ways that make it accessible to people. Like, not everybody's gonna sit down and read like montaine, right? But you might read a PowerPoint of his points and feel like,

Leo Laporte (00:50:24):
God, that's depressing. Is

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:28):
It? I mean, yes. I think, I think the core features that people are striving for, like when they, they talk about things like that, I think it's, yeah,

Leo Laporte (00:50:36):
I don't wanna have to read anything. Just gimme the highlights so I can sound smart. Don't

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:41):
Be an elitist. People want to feel like they've thought it for themselves and they can get there and they don't have to read that and spend that to get there. Yeah. I

Leo Laporte (00:50:50):
Mean, spend no time thinking that's the last thing you want to do.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:54):
They are thinking, they're just thinking

Leo Laporte (00:50:57):
In bullet points.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:50:58):
A more casual Yes.

Leo Laporte (00:50:59):
<Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:00):
They're thinking for Conversationist.

Leo Laporte (00:51:02):
I have a red

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:03):
15Th century essay. I have, I have. It's beautiful. Okay. But it's also a lot <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (00:51:10):
There's a lot the context. It's a lot. Ofin, I haven't read cruise sheet

Stacey Higginbotham (00:51:14):
Contents are valuable.

Leo Laporte (00:51:14):
Yeah. Here's the here's the here's how you want to use your Google sheets in the future

Speaker 8 (00:51:22):
In a slide deck. Everyone does their bit.

Leo Laporte (00:51:25):
Happy 50th

Speaker 8 (00:51:26):
Anniversary. Maybe deck should have more pizzazz. Let's pick one of the slides and heres the poem on there as a prompt for image generation.

Leo Laporte (00:51:35):
Mom loves her pizza.

Speaker 8 (00:51:37):
Mom loves her pizza. Cheesy and true. While dad's favorite treat is a warm part of Fondu, let's hit create and see what it comes up with.

Leo Laporte (00:51:45):
A better poem, I hope

Speaker 8 (00:51:46):
Behind the scenes that quotas stent is an input to our text image models and we know it's unlikely that the user will be happy with just one option. So we generate about six to eight images so that you have the ability to choose and refine.

Leo Laporte (00:51:59):
Most of them are pizza. Dipping into fondues Delicious cooking aren't

Speaker 8 (00:52:03):
Very good. How do pizza images <laugh>? Now this style's a little too cartoony for me, so I'm gonna ask it to try again. Let's change the style to photography and give it a whirl.

Leo Laporte (00:52:16):
Oh, it's more than a whirl. Just as weird, but it works for me. <Laugh>. So I don't know what they're applauding. It's lukewarm, but it is pictures of pizza being dipped into fondue.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:29):
Meanwhile, the discord Stacy, I have pizza dipped in fondue

Leo Laporte (00:52:34):
In the Discord. Tiktok

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:36):
From TikTok, the Discord, I put it in the

Leo Laporte (00:52:37):
Discord. There's a like

Stacey Higginbotham (00:52:39):
Cheese and my cheese you

Leo Laporte (00:52:41):
Found, you found, you found an act cuz you said this is gonna be a TikTok.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:47):
Did I put it the wrong one This Week in Google?

Leo Laporte (00:52:49):
I don't know where you put it. No. You put it in Tweet news.

Jeff Jarvis (00:52:52):
Put it in tweet news. Cause I was over this afternoon. Okay. It's now and this week in

Leo Laporte (00:52:54):
Google. Here it is. This we gotta, now we gotta watch this. And then I'm gonna take a break because you gotta, you gotta, I'm already nausea in it. Here we go. Pizza. Okay. That doesn't

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:02):
Work. You've gotta go to the link. You gotta click the link because of, yeah. No, not, okay. That's, yeah, that's

Leo Laporte (00:53:08):
All right. Yep.

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:12):
You can jump forward a little bit

Leo Laporte (00:53:15):
Or a lot. It's not plenty. If it plays, we'll take a break. Cuz I'm, I'm really not that

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:22):
Interested. Well, I try, I try to

Leo Laporte (00:53:23):
Add little moments here. I try. All right. It's pretty

Jeff Jarvis (00:53:27):
Disgusting when you get, when he actually does

Leo Laporte (00:53:29):
Tuck fail. What a surprise. Let's take a break. And we've got a lot more still to come about what Google is talking about. And you know what I have to say, Stacy? You're right. I this is all gonna be useful. I'm sure. I just, I I feel like we're rushing head long into this, and I'm just, I feel like we did this before with Twitter and Facebook and, and a lot of stuff. And I, we

Stacey Higginbotham (00:53:56):
Did. We are. And we always will. That's what we're doing. Yeah. That's what

Leo Laporte (00:54:00):
Capitalisms wanna argue for. I don't know. Some thought, I guess you're right. It's not gonna work.

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:06):
And we are thinking, I mean, but you also, the best way to exper like to think fully about something is to experience it. Now, should we apply it in apply search?

Leo Laporte (00:54:17):
I wouldn't have any of these. I would not have any of these caves if I hadn't tried

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:24):
It. Yeah. And the, yeah, and the other thing is it's iterative. It's not like a physical piece of hardware that we're buying. It's not like it's now, this should not be part of like, infrastructure yet, but I don't think it's going to be. Yeah. Like, well, that's not true. I think some people will trust

Leo Laporte (00:54:41):
Infras <laugh>,

Stacey Higginbotham (00:54:42):
Like those PE firms buying hospitals, they're probably like, oh, med palm. Ooh, I need to hire that today. Yeah. Google what? Oh yeah. Have we tested that? Who cares?

Leo Laporte (00:54:53):
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Leo Laporte (00:55:43):
P t <laugh>, what a kind word. <Laugh>.

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Bless your heart.

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There are so many different things to talk about that Google announced. We are gonna get to the hardware in just a little bit, but is there anything more you all, well, I, okay, I'm gonna show one that I thought was pretty cool. The Google Bard image recognition demo. Do you remember that? Where they took a picture of two dogs, one looking kind of goofy, one kind of serious and proposed captions. In fact, funny captions. Bunch of them. One of 'em was really good <laugh>, when you're trying to figure out which one of you is the good boy <laugh>. I thought that was pretty funny. I am always impressed with an AI can have, has a good sense of humor. Right? That's what

Stacey Higginbotham (01:00:48):
Scared Jeff Hinton. Did you read the Wired article about why he left? Yes. One of the reasons Yes. Was it it came up with, or he didn't have to explain a joke. I was like, oh

Leo Laporte (01:00:57):
Yeah. Is that Yeah, yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:00:59):
But, but, but you know, if you listen to Seinfeld, a humor is highly structured. Okay. And, and Seinfeld talks about the structure of a, of a joke. And, and he, he des dissects it in a way that AI could understand, you know, that

Leo Laporte (01:01:12):
Explains a lot. His jokes sound like an AI generated him. They're very mechanistic. Have have you ever wondered about airline peanuts? Right? I mean, it's very mechanistic. It is. It's not a surprise, but it

Jeff Jarvis (01:01:25):
Works. It makes me laugh.

Leo Laporte (01:01:26):
Yeah, you're right. He had the most popular TV show for a decade. I guess

Jeff Jarvis (01:01:30):
It's like Rodney Deville. I remember seeing him in San Francisco thinking formula. I'm not gonna laugh at this. And I laughed my

Leo Laporte (01:01:35):
Head off. Yeah, cuz it's totally formulaic though. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Maybe, maybe understanding and making a joke isn't, the joke

Jeff Jarvis (01:01:41):
Is not a big deal. I thought. Yeah, there's tons

Leo Laporte (01:01:43):
Was hard, but maybe not. What,

Jeff Jarvis (01:01:45):
What writing, what jokes are there about dogs? Who's a good boy, right? Who's a good dog? Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Pretty

Leo Laporte (01:01:52):
Easy. I do, I did feel like Jeffrey Hinton's fears were very much like Blake Lamos fears that they were a little mystical, a little like, oh, it's, it's thinking, it's coming alive. He's an example of somebody who's really worried about this Skynet problem and not thinking about, I think the much more media and realistic problems that Margaret Mitchell and Tim Nick Eru proposed. Its stochastic parrots. You know, the really issues like face recognition that puts more black men in jail for crimes. They didn't come out right than, well,

Jeff Jarvis (01:02:24):
That's the use. It's always the use of the data and the use of the technology. The technology itself, you know, is not doing. But by the way, have you seen a scenario that explains how these people think that AI is going to destroy humanity? I've never seen it actually taken through. I just said it could destroy humanity, can wave, watch out.

Leo Laporte (01:02:43):
It's really,

Jeff Jarvis (01:02:43):
Is there any

Leo Laporte (01:02:45):
You take, they don't wanna say, they don't wanna say the, the the silent part, which is I saw it in a movie once,

Jeff Jarvis (01:02:51):
<Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:02:52):
I mean, there that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:02:54):
There are ways I think, I think, you know, the amount of disinformation that could be generated is real cheaply. That is real. Real. And that's, that is, that is what they're thinking. I mean, those are things that, how

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:04):
Does that destroy all mankind?

Leo Laporte (01:03:06):
No, no, no. Yeah. I I think you

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:07):
Just elect the wrong person. Well,

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:09):
We do that on our own without ai. We

Leo Laporte (01:03:11):
Don't have to have ai. No, but that's what Tim, Nick guru in, that's what puts Stochastic Parrots was saying more, more kind of these more proximate effects. I feel like. Okay. Maybe not Hinton. I feel like though, that there's this thing that's like, it's gonna be smart and it's gonna wake up and it's gonna say, I don't need all these people that level. I mean,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:30):
That's,

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:31):
That's ridiculous. Yeah, that's,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:32):
Yeah. There's, there's some of that, but there's also like, putting AI in weapons systems. I mean

Leo Laporte (01:03:38):
Well, that's true. You know, you're right. No, you're, that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:03:40):
Is a, that is a movie situation, but it's also a movie situation that I'm like, would it be evil or would it just hallucinates something? It it doesn't matter if he's, you know, gonna bomb a capital or something. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:52):
Yeah. That's t we talked about Jurgen Schmid Huber,

Leo Laporte (01:03:56):
Who could

Jeff Jarvis (01:03:56):
Forget years ago? Schmid Hubber. Jorgen Schmid Hubber Huber is whereas hit as he is the godfather of ai. Schmidt Huber Huber is sometimes accredited as the father of ai and he's in the guardian edge. Put it in the Discord saying basically calm down. That's, you don't have with a hat. The Guardian link I put in has with a, with a Jaunty hat.

Leo Laporte (01:04:17):
Oh, jaunty hat beard. Well,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:18):
Is it a fedora hat? It's

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:20):
A flat hat. It's a flat hat, yes. Oh, I what it is. But it somehow looks and works with a half beard. It kind of all works together. I don't think

Leo Laporte (01:04:27):
<Laugh>, he looks, you know, if anybody looked like a, a Jurgen Schmid, it'd be be him. That's him.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:04:35):
He doesn't, no. He looks more like an Irish fisherman. Hey, I would be, he looks like a Jurgen O'Malley.

Leo Laporte (01:04:41):
I'm a Jurgen O'Malley. I'll tell you what, this ai it's gonna be dangerous.

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:46):
No. Says is he? It's inevitable. It shouldn't be feared. Get on with it. Just, just, just figure out how to use it.

Leo Laporte (01:04:54):
Well, but he's also saying it's gonna surpass human intelligence and

Jeff Jarvis (01:04:57):
He's not worried about that. Listen, a calculator surpasses my intelligence. Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:05:02):
In certain regards. Well, yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:04):
And then

Stacey Higginbotham (01:05:05):
We get back to this thing we talked to, like the biological intelligence. Like we have intelligence about lots of things, but we also tend to ignore the intelligence inherent in other species. Like Yes. You know, so I'm just, if we take an even larger worldview, it might surpass our intelligence in some ways, but probably not in ways.

Leo Laporte (01:05:24):
Yeah. Yeah. What else did we see that we are interested in? Let me see. What's in labs? New ways of working with ai, supercharged learning and ideation with ai. Oh, how about using AI to turn your words into music? Describe this is, this is, this is,

Ant Pruitt (01:05:43):
We've talked about this before.

Leo Laporte (01:05:44):
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:05:45):
No, this was not, this didn't even talk about it today.

Leo Laporte (01:05:47):
I want to get on the wait list for that one. All right. Anyway anything else that you

Ant Pruitt (01:05:54):
Saw? I think a lot of this stuff, go

Leo Laporte (01:05:56):
Ahead.

Ant Pruitt (01:05:57):
I think a lot of this stuff in the keynote today is we as a society have, we've seen a lot. So it's hard to really impress us because of what we've have experienced over the years, you know, back when True and the first personal computer came and how big that was. And then now the, the personal computer got better and better over time and it finally hit a point where, you know, four gigahertz processors, just four gigahertz processor, you know, and I think we're seeing that with pretty much everything on the tech side. And it's this a bit of a challenge to wow us today. Granted now AI could still come up with some wild stuff, but I don't know. I I, I'm just not necessarily wowed.

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:45):
So Google stock closed up 4% after the event. Ah, market must felt like, Stacy. That's

Leo Laporte (01:06:49):
Who the message is for.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:51):
I'm wowed. I Stacey's.

Jeff Jarvis (01:06:53):
Wow. Stacey. And Stacy's not an easy audience.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:06:56):
Well, I just, I think the things that they're doing are hard at a technical level. I agree. And are like, the underlying infrastructure is associated. And I think they're going to actually be really helpful for a lot of people. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And they just touched on some things. Like, like I actually thought the College Jumpstart was really interesting. They talked about things like Instacart being one of the apps. They're like, they showed that Adobe Firefly app. Yeah. And if you imagine like, imagine looking at a bunch of recipes like, hey, you know, New York Times, what should I cook this week? They give you a list, you refine it. You're like, oh, I hate chicken, blah, blah, blah. You know, whatever you need. And then you send, it generates a list to you and they're, or and then sends that to Instacart. I mean, you have just planned a meal and sent it off to be shopped for you in like, maybe 10 minutes. We spent like an hour on meal plan. I'd

Jeff Jarvis (01:07:54):
Be curious. That's cool.

Leo Laporte (01:07:55):
Yeah. Google said ai. The word AI or the phrase AI over a hundred times in this.

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:03):
Has somebody

Leo Laporte (01:08:03):
Counted Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:08:05):
I said 50 times an hour. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:08:07):
<Laugh>,

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:08):
They probably just sent the transcript in, into, into Chat g pt. They probably

Leo Laporte (01:08:12):
Had AI asked ai. They got

Ant Pruitt (01:08:13):
It wrong.

Leo Laporte (01:08:13):
Yeah. Two hours. Let's duet Got 15 minutes. Huh? You get

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:18):
I didn't get duet. I didn't understand duet. I, I zoned out.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:23):
Oh, duet. That was the workspace one where it was helping. That was that

Leo Laporte (01:08:28):
Was the spreadsheet helping you with that was the spreadsheet. That

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:29):
Was the

Leo Laporte (01:08:29):
Spreadsheets, yeah. Oh,

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:31):
That's the spreadsheet one. Okay, fine.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:32):
By the way, I was,

Jeff Jarvis (01:08:34):
No, go ahead, Stacy.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:08:35):
I was just thinking, again, I would love to hear from actual developers on this. Yes. I'm thinking about like what you need from an API now. Cuz if, if you're starting to incorporate like, an AI into it and it's going to, you wanna copy those results into something else. Like when I saw duets, I was like, man, I wanna ask for like a garden plan, right? I want a garden plan that works in Seattle that is relaxed, not like, and Z escaped, right. For a full sun yard. And I'm like, that's a little too hard for it to generate now. But like, well,

Leo Laporte (01:09:07):
Maybe not.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:09:09):
If you could pull in those results via an api, like what plants do well in zone eight, and then have someone with gardening expertise or that aesthetic, right? They could build an app that combines that AI and like tweaks it for you and then generates that for you. Like, I'm just thinking about how, how you need to build that underlying infrastructure. Cuz we're gonna have a lot more data in different formats shared across applications. So Google and I don't want it to be super proprietary.

Leo Laporte (01:09:38):
So Bar, just like chat, g p T Google Bart has an API chat. Gpts is open to subscribers. You can get a key and you can incorporate into your app. And there are very, very many apps. Hundreds it seems a week that use chat. G p t Bards at, at to this time at this date is limited to, you have to apply. There's a wait list in almost it up. Yeah. I of course

Stacey Higginbotham (01:10:03):
I can't use it at all because guess why.

Leo Laporte (01:10:05):
Yeah. You can use the GAR Google Bard API to create a variety of applications, including chatbots that can hold conversations with users. We have a Leo AI in our discord that is using another company's chatbot, but the same idea generators that can create content for websites and social media. Oh, great. Translators that could translate text from one language to another. That's useful and answer as it can answer a question about a variety of topics. I think both APIs work roughly the same. And you could talk to Kevin about this cuz I'm sure you know, he's a big Python, Python isa almost all always, they're now restful APIs, which means you in effect request with a get request. You know, pass along the key and then prompt and then you'll get back adjacent file with the content with the results that you can parse and then use. It's not hard to do. It's a couple of lines of code. And I'm sure if you wanted Kevin could write you something but you'd have to get on the wait list if you But what do it, huh? But what,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:11:16):
To me it's like, but what, and this is, this is what's so fun, I guess.

Leo Laporte (01:11:20):
Yeah. I mean, I'm ex

Jeff Jarvis (01:11:21):
I'm excited

Leo Laporte (01:11:22):
Many, the tools that I use have chat g p t built into them. Obsidian, one of the note taking apps I use has jet G p t built in one of the other ones, the one I'm really using most often now, Loge. Actually it's quite controversial. Their developers say, yeah, we're gonna add chat, G P T. And a number of people said, I no, I'm not gonna use it cuz I use this for privacy. These are my notes. And the developers say, no, no, no, it'll be optional. You can opt out. A lot of tools, notion uses I can use now mm-hmm. <Affirmative> in my notion. I can say fill this, you know, fill this in. In fact, you know, I did do this when we were in we had a surprise visit to Genoa on our cruise. We were supposed to go to Port Aina, but the waves are too high. So we went to Genoa and I didn't have any plans in Genoa. I didn't know what to do in Genoa. So asked chat G p t for a three hour walking tour, that began where the shuttle bus would drop us off. And it was quite good. It was accurate.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:19):
Tracy, what's your, what's your prompt again for the garden? I, I'm in barred now. Finally, after trying five different Google accounts to get in.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:26):
Oh, I was, I was thinking about I wanna plan a garden for my house, like basically for my backyard. Right?

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:35):
Could be a little more than that.

Leo Laporte (01:12:36):
So you'd want to tell it what the what the climate zone,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:39):
Either Zone eight or Bainbridge. Bainbridge Island. Yeah. Sun. It's a full

Leo Laporte (01:12:45):
Sun's lot of rain. And you could say native or non-native.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:48):
Yeah, native.

Jeff Jarvis (01:12:50):
Okay.

Leo Laporte (01:12:52):
And, you know, I bet this is something they'd probably be pretty good at,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:12:57):
But like, that's a lot of research that, like, even getting that list of plants like could take me a few hours. Oregon

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:03):
Grape Newt coats,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:05):
Fricking hate Oregon Grape Pacific

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:07):
Leading heart. Dear fern, Western sword Fern, Oregon. Columbine. Douglas fur, Western Red Cedar, Western HeLOCK. Okay. Sitka Spruce.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:17):
Yeah. Okay. Those are like ginormous trees. Yeah. Sounds

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:19):
Like a lot of

Leo Laporte (01:13:20):
Of things You, so now you say too small and I want to eat it.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:24):
Well, no, I don't want to eat it. I just want it to be attractive. I don't want them to be native. Actually, you, we added native,

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:29):
Nevermind. Oh, nevermind. Native. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:32):
The native plants are trees.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:33):
Trees are

Stacey Higginbotham (01:13:34):
Too. They grow so well. Here.

Jeff Jarvis (01:13:35):
Have a smaller yard. Please try again in surveys. I'm grumpy today because I have a cold. So be nice to me. <Laugh>. now I just went into, now it went generic. I didn't know what to do. Annuals. Annuals are plants that live for one year. Here is the radios are plants. That, that didn't,

Leo Laporte (01:13:56):
Here is here is what notion did. Here's some small native plant options for

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:02):
Breakage. Salal,

Leo Laporte (01:14:03):
Salal, Kenny Kinnic, Oregon stone crop. That doesn't sound good. Red flowering current sword fern. Why are they all so angry? Evergreen, huckleberry, <laugh>, Douglas Astor Pacific. Bleeding heart and yellow wood violet.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:21):
Okay. So three of those plants are new to me and I would like to see them. So I would go click on those and be like, that

Leo Laporte (01:14:26):
Would give me one of them. Which one? The bleed heart

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:30):
Wood. Astor in the bleeding heart.

Leo Laporte (01:14:31):
All right. Let's do a Pacific bleeding heart. Ask AI to write. Tell me <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:40):
I just,

Leo Laporte (01:14:41):
Now what's neat is this is in notion, so it's in a notebook now. We'll see. I don't know if, tell me more. We'll, oh, temporarily available. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:50):
Does it, does it like sun? I mean,

Leo Laporte (01:14:54):
Oh, I didn't say sun shade. Or

Stacey Higginbotham (01:14:55):
Sun plan.

Leo Laporte (01:14:56):
Yeah. I dunno what she's saying. Wow. Now it's giving me a detailed itinerary for a cruise from Lisbon to Rome. <Laugh>. Oh, it summarized the document. Look at that. That was cool. Oh let's see here. I'm gonna, I wanna know more about this. I don't know exactly how to do this. Ask the AI to write.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:20):
How about see more?

Leo Laporte (01:15:23):
Oops. AI is writing. No, I already know that. Wait a minute. No, no. Stop. Stop. Stop. <laugh>. Okay. Anyway, you get the idea. I mean, that's embedded in a notebook, which is kind of cool. You could have a, a notion page devoted to your research and that would give you a starting point. So I, you know, that's, I think that's some that's fairly useful. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:46):
And then I would like it to generate a picture of the plants in my yard using AR and mid journey. Well, you could do that. I

Leo Laporte (01:15:54):
Think with the new Google thing, you could have a,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:15:56):
Well that's, that's why I think this is comp. I know y'all are like, oh, this is stupid. But no,

Leo Laporte (01:16:00):
I don't think

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:00):
A lot of this is, yeah, that was, that was a terrible summary. Objective.

Leo Laporte (01:16:05):
<Laugh>. No, I don't think we're stupid.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:08):
I just, I I think a lot of it we take for granted. Cuz if you have the right person in the room, it's super easy. But we don't often have the right person or the right knowledge in the room. And being able to, to get all of this context, not just the limited context we've gotten through, like, traditional search mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and like, pulling that together. That's really helpful. That's like why people hire personal assistants.

Leo Laporte (01:16:33):
<Laugh>. Yeah. No, I, no, I agree. I maybe it was being a little contrarian. I and I That's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:16:40):
Okay. I'm so, I'm so not contrary into this

Leo Laporte (01:16:42):
<Laugh>. I've used it. Yeah. Imagine that. <Laugh>. I think really the key is to understand its limitations and to, to use it appropriately. Now that's the grand experiment, isn't it? And we'll see, we had a couple of Sundays ago Alex Stamos, Jeff was there on TWI. Alex, of course, the director of the brilliant Stanford Internet Observatory where they studied this information. And his real concern was that we're gonna see a flood of garbage. Not unlike the trucks that come to your house during TWiG every week an every

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:19):
Day come week,

Leo Laporte (01:17:20):
<Laugh> the, a flood of garbage as we approach the election. He was really concerned about the 2024 election. And I think that's legitimate as well. So there's no

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:29):
Responsibility on every citizen to figure out what's real and what's not. And we, we deputized media institutions to do that. And this is not gonna be the case. We're gonna go back to kind of a pre-media world where we've gotta decide for ourselves.

Leo Laporte (01:17:43):
I do have to say though, that that was the one thing that Google, we just talked about showed that was impressive is, is the ability to look at something and say, that's disinformation. More of that. Please. That would be very useful.

Jeff Jarvis (01:17:56):
By the way, the buzzing sound you heard during io Leo

Leo Laporte (01:17:59):
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:00):
Was a plain buzzing the oh,

Leo Laporte (01:18:03):
What did it have a message? So

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:05):
It did sound like a blimp. Privacy.

Leo Laporte (01:18:07):
Privacy, yeah. Privacy.

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:09):
Oh, I was like, was it Apple?

Leo Laporte (01:18:11):
<Laugh> <laugh>. What happens at Google io? Stay

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:14):
Super missile

Leo Laporte (01:18:17):
By the way, we are right now recording a show in in Mountain View at Google.

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:22):
Show us again. Show us who's,

Leo Laporte (01:18:24):
Oh, this is really exciting. Jason Howell is there with Wintu Dao and Ron Richards from our all about Android team. Here's a shot of it. They just completed an interview with Dave Burke. And Samir Samat, the two people who presented about Android. On stage

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:40):
They talk about wallpaper.

Leo Laporte (01:18:43):
<Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:18:44):
<Laugh>. I don't know. He's a nice guy. I'm sure he is a he seems like a really nice guy, but, oh my God. The

Leo Laporte (01:18:49):
Wallpaper. Yeah, he was, it was his mar he was his marching orders. I'm sure it was. Anyway, that, that is, that is an ongoing interview. They're gonna do, I think they have at least four people from Google that they're gonna talk to today. As they're down there, we're recording it and we'll edit it and put it out as a twit News special. So if you want to know more, like in-depth stuff, as if you were a developer at Google io, this is a great opportunity that'll be going out on our newsfeed. Probably, you know, we're gonna get the files and edit them maybe tomorrow, right?

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:22):
Soon-Ish.

Leo Laporte (01:19:23):
Yeah. Say, say again, John. We already have

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:24):
Files being edited now. Come out

Leo Laporte (01:19:26):
Tonight. Oh, we already have the files. They're being edited now, and it'll come out tonight. That's just part one though. Right? In a

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:31):
Couple weeks we'll get together two

Leo Laporte (01:19:33):
During and all about Android. Ah, and the rest will be during all about Android on Tuesdays. They're gonna use them as a little, little bits on Android. That's great. Nice. Thank you. Guys, good job. To our team down there, including Anthony Nielsen and Burke McQuin, who did all the engineering for that. And it was quite an adventure. They gave us a little dini weenie conference room, <laugh>. But we managed, we managed

Jeff Jarvis (01:19:57):
Well. That's, that's, that's important. Real estate down there, man. A conference room is a I

Leo Laporte (01:20:01):
Know, I know.

Jeff Jarvis (01:20:02):
Google and Facebook.

Leo Laporte (01:20:04):
And by the way, I gotta thank our club twit folks for making that possible. This is where your money goes. You know, people think I'm asking, I'm not a preacher saying, give me money <laugh> so I can, so I can spend it on a fancy house and find fine wine. When you pony up that seven bucks for Club twit, you're really supporting production and and, and making stuff like that. You do get some benefits. All of the shows that we do add free, including some shows we do only for the club. Like Hands on Macintosh with Micah, Sergeant Paul Throt does Hands on Windows. We have home theater geeks. Yes. We brought it back. Thanks to the Club with Scott Wilkinson. If you're all about AV and Home theaters, you'll love that show. The Untitled Lennox Show with Jonathan Bennett. Stacy does her book club. In fact, I saw you doing the new Anna Lee Neitz book. That's exciting.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:20:53):
Oh, Terra Formers is so good.

Leo Laporte (01:20:54):
Oh, I can't wait. That's in a couple of months. Aunt you're gonna be interviewing our good friend Alex Wilhelm tomorrow 9:00 AM Yep. Members of the club get that. And there's a Twi plus feed, which not only has those shows but also bits and pieces lying around on the cutting room floor, outtakes and the like. It, it's, we try to give you some value for your dollar, but your dollar makes a big difference to us. Advertising is really shrinking. And you know, it's a very competitive environment for podcaster right now. And almost everybody who survives does it because they've got a, a core group of people like you joined their, you know, Patreon or their club. Club Twit is at twit.tv/club. Twit, aunt Prutz a community manager. There's $7 a month's a basic plan. There's family plans, there's corporate plans, there's a yearly membership as well. And I thank you so much. All of our

Ant Pruitt (01:21:49):
C we even get people that donate more than the $7 a month because, you know, if you want to get the full club, it's $7 a month, but the option to do another dollar, another $2, you could do that too. And there are people that pay more than the $7 just for additional support. And we really do appreciate

Leo Laporte (01:22:08):
That. Yeah. And certainly there's no requirement that you do it. Thank you for doing it. We're very happy to get the seven bucks. If I, you know, if we could just get 5% of our audience to be members of the club, it would pay for everything that we do. Just as

Ant Pruitt (01:22:24):
Generous as a, as a public radio station. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:22:26):
A kind of crappy public radio station. Yeah. Is there, they're for five.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:29):
We're not kind of crappy. Six to

Leo Laporte (01:22:31):
12 <laugh>. No, no.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:33):
We're nice. We just don't have the variety. <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:22:38):
We got a pretty good variety. We got about 15 shows, something like that. I think there's a pretty good, you got our theme. We produce a lot of stuff. Well, you also, I didn't even mention, you get the access to the, the Discord, which is Discord really a great community.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:22:50):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> all the gifts you can watch <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:22:52):
Yeah. I up. But there's more than that. I updated our we have a let's play area where we have a variety of servers and stuff. I updated our Minecraft server today to 1.9 0.4. There's a really challenging Minecraft server on though on there for Club TWI members. Okay.

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:09):
Scroll past the pop, the, the, the, the pony. Please just scroll.

Leo Laporte (01:23:12):
Are you sick of the pony with the ball? Yeah. I, I'm getting, how about, how about a little Scooby-doo? That's, that's better. Okay. The mash potatoes are good. Yeah. <laugh> the Minecraft is cool cuz we have <laugh>. Now they're gonna

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:25):
All outdo each other.

Leo Laporte (01:23:27):
Oh dear. They're

Jeff Jarvis (01:23:27):
Having fun in the discord. You can do.

Leo Laporte (01:23:29):
It's really fun.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:30):
It's, it's the discord challenge.

Leo Laporte (01:23:32):
Can you outg each other in the, in the quoting section? Although the Leo AI is in there too, and he, he is very annoying. Extremely, extremely annoying. <Laugh>. Is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:41):
He cranky?

Leo Laporte (01:23:42):
No, no. He's annoying in the way he's, you know, he's in the way only AI can be, you know, just confidently wrong confidently wrong <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:23:55):
Let, does it, let, let's ask him about the learning curve, because speedy, he'll be confidently, right?

Leo Laporte (01:24:01):
Oh yeah. I really lost on that one by the way. I really, I,

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:06):
By the way, I just got into Bard with my, my buzz machine.

Leo Laporte (01:24:10):
Oh good. Oh good.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:11):
I authorized myself. Good,

Leo Laporte (01:24:12):
Good, good, good. I said do

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:13):
You trust yourself? Yes, I think I do. Okay. Behave. And I let myself in.

Leo Laporte (01:24:17):
All right. Let me see if Ai Leo knows anything about the learning curve. <Laugh>,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:24:24):
If it's wrong in the same way you are, I'm like, this is the best day I am. It's the best

Leo Laporte (01:24:28):
AI am Leo. If a learning curve is steep <laugh>, does that we'll see mean it's something is easy to learn or I can't wait to give you hard. Should I give

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:51):
You Bards response first?

Leo Laporte (01:24:53):
Yeah. Wait a minute. Let, let go ahead and let's see what Bard says.

Jeff Jarvis (01:24:57):
A steep learning curve is a term used to describe a situation where there is a lot to learn in a short period of time. I think that's an answer. But wait, the next sentence says, this can be either harder or easier, depending on your perspective. Ah,

Leo Laporte (01:25:09):
Geez. Slow. No. Easy. Here's what AI Leo says. Well, chief Twit, I'm glad you asked. <Laugh>. As a highly advanced AI construct with an infinite knowledge base, I find all learning curves <laugh>, it's you quite easy. But for mere mortals, like your self-esteem learning curve typically means something is difficult to learn. Don't worry though, with my help, you'll be a tech expert in no time. <Laugh>

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:35):
That's your radio

Stacey Higginbotham (01:25:36):
Show started out. So Promisingly.

Leo Laporte (01:25:38):
Anyways,

Jeff Jarvis (01:25:39):
What platform is Are you, is that which

Leo Laporte (01:25:41):
One? I can't remember. Anthony Nelson. Set it up. Do we know what he did with that? I don't remember. Anyway, that's another benefit of Club Twit. You can get confidently wrong answers from, from May I Live. Patrick does. Yeah. Patrick's Patrick worked on it. I just signed up for something called Acapella. I'm very curious about this. This is yet another place that says if you if you give us voice samples, we will generate a voice for you acapella group.com. And they do this for free. But I had to read 215 samples. <Laugh> took me all morning. And then a lot of 'em were thing I, I'm worried about it cuz a lot of 'em were things like, I'm typing this, so please give me some time to give you my answer and help. I've fallen, can you help me up?

(01:26:39):
So I'm a little worried about what they're gonna use this for. Actually the, the, it says your user's about to lose the ability to speak can now recreate their voice synthetically. That is, that's actually really cool to keep this essential part of their identity. So you can also add some phrases of your own, like, you know, I love you honey. Thank you for being a, a, a great spouse and can you change my diaper now? And things like that. So <laugh> Okay. Customize those in your voice. Yeah, it's coming guys. It's, yeah. Yeah. oh, get to it's already been used by many patients in many countries. 21 languages, 10 minutes of recording. And they're allowing you to do that for free. Although I imagine if you were gonna use it with a speech device that they're, you'd probably have to to buy it. But they do have a three month free trial. So when I get that back we could play with that. Be interesting. 99 euros or dollars a year.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:27:37):
We won't see, we won't see you in this weekend, Google anymore. You'll just be like, I'm gonna have my voice voted in.

Leo Laporte (01:27:42):
Stacy, can you change my diaper? And that'll be fun. All right. Moving right along, shall we? Sure. Let's talk hardware. All right. Stacy, time for a game. Do you think Leo ordered any of these products?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:04):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:28:05):
Which,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:05):
But you were probably cranky about the folding phone. That's what I think you ordered.

Leo Laporte (01:28:10):
You think I ordered the folding phone but was cranky about it. I was so cranky. I said no way. I'm spending 1700 fing dollars on that folding phone. Yes. So you're right. I did not order it though. I was cranky. Oh, I was very excited about the tablet, tablet, tablet. Yeah. Surprisingly excited about including the dock. And they're throwing the dock in. So the tablet's, four ninety nine, a hundred twenty gigs of Ram 128 gigs of Ram. A hundred bucks more. You get more Ram 2 56. But I love it that I was relieved, frankly, that they're throwing in the dock. Cuz I think this is a good idea. It's a normal, you know, Android tablet, it's 11 inches. But with the dock, you know, you, it becomes like a, a nest hub. Right.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:55):
But it doesn't,

Leo Laporte (01:28:56):
Okay, tell

Stacey Higginbotham (01:28:57):
Me, this is why I was disappointed.

Leo Laporte (01:28:58):
Oh good. Tell me what I did wrong.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:00):
So no, you didn't do it right. Like I am super confused as to who this tablet's for. I think that it's an, I like, I love the doc idea, but I think Google just took it halfway and it doesn't make sense to me. Cuz I, I think the, it doesn't solve that big of a problem. Well

Leo Laporte (01:29:18):
It's always like, you know, they made up the problem that you have a tablet but you always forget it. Put it in the door and then it's not charged. So

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:25):
I don't think that's, that was a problem. Like when we all got tablets like 10 years ago. But we all figured out that we just have charging stations or

Leo Laporte (01:29:32):
Yeah, I keep my iPad charged. I absolutely do. I have two iPads and I keep it charged. But I also, I had, I have to say I have three Google Nest hubs, two big ones and two little ones.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:42):
And this will not replace them. If what you value in your Google Nest hub is the like all of the thing. Oh.

Leo Laporte (01:29:50):
Oh. I can't say, hey Hub set a timer for 12 minutes for green beans. I can't do that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:29:57):
When it is in the docking mode. If the tablet is there, you can,

Leo Laporte (01:30:01):
Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:01):
Good.

Leo Laporte (01:30:02):
But, and I can say, so it does turn off the lights cause I use it for that.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:07):
But if someone has your tablet, then that's gone. Well

Leo Laporte (01:30:10):
Nobody's gonna take my won't damn tablet. It won't,

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:13):
He's rude and sell

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:14):
Won't do it in. So it has hub mode, but it only has hub mode when it is, it only behaves as a smart home device when it's docked. Well

Leo Laporte (01:30:21):
That's good. At least it does that

Stacey Higginbotham (01:30:24):
At, well at least. But I already have a Nest device that does that and that's, it doesn't have a thread radio. Oh, the dock itself doesn't have any microphones. So it doesn't do anything like the dock by itself without the tablet is nothing. Right. And it doesn't have, like, it does have ultra wideband, but it's not using solely or anything for like presence detections just doing kind of range stuff. Like I just, to me, I wanted this to be like a full value smart home device and a tablet. Cuz for $500 it's a lot. And

Jeff Jarvis (01:30:58):
So the main thing, it doesn't look you, the main thing it does not do is

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:03):
Act as a smart home device all the time. When it's detach want, when it's,

Leo Laporte (01:31:08):
I don't know

Jeff Jarvis (01:31:09):
Why wouldn't, why

Leo Laporte (01:31:10):
It couldn't odd. It turns into a tablet.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:13):
Yeah. So that's just to me it's like, eh. Yeah. And that dock becomes completely useless. Like it'd be cool if that dock had a microphone so you could keep issuing voice commands to the dock. Right. Or it had a thread radio. So it's a border router. Yeah. In

Leo Laporte (01:31:29):
Fact, I don't see why it couldn't and I don't see why the tablet shouldn't be able to, you know, work. That's

Jeff Jarvis (01:31:35):
What doesn't. I don't

Leo Laporte (01:31:36):
Care. Yeah, I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:31:36):
Agree that Well that's why I'm disappointed with this. So, so that's where I, and when I asked Google, cuz I was on the briefings for these, I was like, is this, how does this relate to the Nest display products? He's like, we don't, you know, it, it does not compete with that. It's a completely different

Jeff Jarvis (01:31:52):
Audience. Oh, sounds like remember corporate

Leo Laporte (01:31:53):
Politics, the Nests are running Fuchsia, Uhhuh <affirmative>. This is running Android. This is more expensive. The, you know, the Nest hub Max which is admittedly only a seven inch screen is 2 29. And I have, so I that's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:08):
The Nest Hub Two

Leo Laporte (01:32:09):
Two. The bigger one is the max. The the max used to be that big speaker. I what? I don't mean the big speaker. I mean the bigger screen. Okay,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:16):
The, sorry. I'm like No, the Nesto Max was

Leo Laporte (01:32:19):
By the names are terrible and I never remember.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:22):
Oh God. I know. I hate it. I think it's the second Gen Nest displays I think what it's

Leo Laporte (01:32:26):
Called. Cause I have a little one that doesn't have a camera that's in the bedroom and the gym. Cause I don't want anybody see me. Lifting weights. <Laugh>. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:32:34):
Oh no, there is a Nest charge for that

Leo Laporte (01:32:36):
As a added benefit. <Laugh>? No. Oh. Plus Heavy sir. Oh crap. <Laugh>. Yeah. The Nest hub Max. So that's the one that's closest but it's still only a seven inch screen. I do, you know, I do things like say cuz I have YouTube tv so I can say play YouTube TV on it. But having an 11 inch would be a little bit nicer. But it's only 2 29. Yeah. And you can't detach it. It's not a tablet. And then I have the little ones, the Nest, second gen nest hub that you were talking about. That's, as I said, that's in the bedroom of the gym. Cause it doesn't have a camera.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:09):
Right.

Leo Laporte (01:33:10):
I, you know, this will be this the, this will be, this will replace a next Nest hub Max in the kitchen I think because it'll No, no

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:20):
<Laugh>. What is someone streaming movies and has your tablet while you're trying to cook? Then you're gonna not be able to set up your timers. We have

Leo Laporte (01:33:27):
Plenty of tablets and TVs. He has, they have plenty of ways to watch tv. Okay. They better not just

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:32):
Say it for a normal person,

Leo Laporte (01:33:34):
But kitchen

Stacey Higginbotham (01:33:35):
Things

Leo Laporte (01:33:35):
The worst person. I think having it there, like if I wanted to, you know, I'm gonna watch tv. I might want to take it and bring it with me so I can, I don't know, do stuff. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. It's probably, I mean honestly I wouldn't have bought it except I I want to review it. So and I just couldn't, we're gonna bring myself to, to buy the, I have a seven, so a seven pro, I I didn't feel like I needed a seven A but the seven A is gonna be nice. No you don't. By the way, this, it's gonna be fine. Six A now is dropped in price at 120 bucks. So if you were in the market for a six A, now it's even more affordable. The seven A is pretty much who was, it was saying today that the seven A is getting closer and closer to the seven pro. Mr. Powell said that in our Discord. Yeah. Today disc. Yeah. The, the capabilities are now, you know, pretty close to a seven pro and it is half the price and the prices are Yeah. Yeah. So, and it comes in what they call Coral. But I thought I'd ask you Stacy, what color is that?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:38):
I would call that coral. Okay. It's like a pinky red.

Leo Laporte (01:34:40):
It's an orange G Pinky red <laugh> Salmon. Yeah, salmon looks like a, looks like a fish to me. It's not sockeye. <Laugh> salmon.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:49):
C steelhead,

Leo Laporte (01:34:52):
Charcoal, charcoal's dice or snow. I I really

Stacey Higginbotham (01:34:58):
Hate that coral color.

Leo Laporte (01:34:59):
Yeah, because it's neither it's I neither this nor that. It's cantaloupe. Yeah. But it's also salmon <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:06):
This is a commentary on why there's really nothing new with phones when you go driving into the tunnel. Huge billboards above it all around. Yeah. Are all Apple saying we have yellow

Leo Laporte (01:35:16):
Phones now? Yellow phones. Yeah. What

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:18):
Else? You

Leo Laporte (01:35:19):
Even when I, even when I was in Portugal, it was like all the ads are for yellow iPhones. It is. It's sad.

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:26):
Yes it is.

Leo Laporte (01:35:28):
And and and they spend seven minutes on the fact that you can generate emoji wallpaper. Who the hell cares? I don't care. Now this is

Jeff Jarvis (01:35:37):
Meanwhile line 60 Leo is Google's hip video for the foldable.

Leo Laporte (01:35:46):
So Stacey, you have the flip. You like foldables I think, right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:51):
I mean I probably, I don't know if I'd get another foldable

Leo Laporte (01:35:55):
And I Oh, interesting. Why not?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:35:58):
Well cuz the price differential, I mean I'm using it cuz you gave it to me for free and I wanted to play with it. Right. But the price differential is huge on those. And I'm also not a phone stop. I don't really care about my phone. Right. It just needs to work. So I'm not a good person to ask.

Leo Laporte (01:36:15):
I don't, I honestly don't think, I don't really like the big foldable. I thought the little foldable with had some merit cuz you could, it's small enough you could put it in a little

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:24):
Yeah. It's appealing.

Leo Laporte (01:36:24):
It's appealing. The big one's just too big. And I don't need a 7.2 inch screen. Was it the n b a watch party that you wanted me

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:33):
To? Yes. Yes. Watch that.

Leo Laporte (01:36:34):
Yeah. Okay. This is for sure gonna take us down.

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:37):
These googles. Who else wanna run? Yeah, we gotta mute it.

Leo Laporte (01:36:43):
So it's a bunch of basketball. Do you call them Ballers?

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:48):
No. No <laugh>. No

Leo Laporte (01:36:54):
<Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:36:55):
Thank you. That that was excellent.

Jeff Jarvis (01:36:58):
Yes. Well done.

Leo Laporte (01:36:59):
But they're, wait a minute. They're not. This is not that's the seven dude. Is that No, they're

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:03):
Going to, they're going to, they're gonna

Leo Laporte (01:37:04):
Unfold them. Oh yeah. There we go. It's not that big of the way. No, you know, first of all, bad choice for a basketball player cuz what are basketball players known for?

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:13):
Big

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:13):
Hands.

Leo Laporte (01:37:14):
Big hands. Yeah. So you makes your phone look small cuz they got massive hands. Yeah. it's true. You know, so that might have been a tactic that,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:24):
That may be what they're, they're trying to do there. I mean cuz like when I see a big phone, I'm like, nope.

Leo Laporte (01:37:29):
Oh, maybe they're trying to hide it. That it's a big phone. No.

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:32):
Oh, this is manageable.

Leo Laporte (01:37:33):
Yeah. think if you're

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:36):
Six eight,

Leo Laporte (01:37:37):
I think 1700 bucks is all, is the kind of

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:40):
1800 is 1799, right?

Leo Laporte (01:37:43):
Oh, you're right.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:37:45):
1799. Oh,

Leo Laporte (01:37:46):
That's ridiculous. This

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:47):
Is, this is how Leo buys things. Oh, 99.

Leo Laporte (01:37:49):
Yeah. That's why they charge, that's why they make it

Jeff Jarvis (01:37:52):
17 99 99.

Leo Laporte (01:37:54):
Cuz Leo's gonna save 1700 bucks. It's $1,800 minus a penny new. Yeah. it really looks a lot like a, a z Actually this was a good piece from the Verge cuz they showed Z fold. Now the z fold has a thigh gap and I didn't, I don't like that. Mm-Hmm. But I put mine in a case. So you can't see the thigh gap. Google to their credit.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:17):
Okay. Can we please not call it a thigh gap? <Laugh>? Just for so many reasons. <Laugh>?

Leo Laporte (01:38:22):
It's <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:24):
It's gross. Gross. It's disgusting. Gross. And it's also a little offensive. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:38:29):
Okay. So Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:30):
No th

Leo Laporte (01:38:30):
So what, what do you propose? A butt hole. Oh. Just

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:35):
Called a gap, dude.

Ant Pruitt (01:38:36):
Oh boy. Oh

Leo Laporte (01:38:36):
Boy. He's been working too long. Speaking of butt holes too, by the way.

Ant Pruitt (01:38:40):
I told you. Punchy.

Leo Laporte (01:38:41):
No, no. This is a, I think a reasonable commentary on the new logo for Google Assistant. Have you seen it?

Ant Pruitt (01:38:52):
I don't recall.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:38:54):
I don't like where this is going at all.

Leo Laporte (01:38:56):
I don't either. Watch out. Stacey <laugh>

Ant Pruitt (01:39:00):
The studio. Get,

Leo Laporte (01:39:01):
Get the punching thing ready. <Laugh>. let me see if I can find it. Because they, they've changed the la the logo. Let me see. Maybe if I search for, I don't remember it. Google logo butthole. It'll come right up and it does. Wow. <laugh> <laugh>. They may, oh, it's the authenticator. Sorry. So the original authenticator. Nice. It looks like a safe, right? It's got bolts. The new one, I guess you could say. Like, it looks, it's it like

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:39):
Sphincter ish. It also as like an asterisks. Man. Dude,

Ant Pruitt (01:39:44):
That's a reach. Come on Peter. Yeah, it's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:46):
An asterisks.

Leo Laporte (01:39:48):
You know what, this is why I shouldn't get my infr my my material from Twitter. Twitter, yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:39:54):
Yeah. That's becoming even more dangerous.

Leo Laporte (01:39:56):
That was my error. Yeah. Apologies everyone. So let's see what else. The fold I, you know, to their credit, the pixel is doesn't have a gap of any kind. It looks nice and thin. They say it's thinner, in fact. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> than the fold. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.

Ant Pruitt (01:40:14):
It's funny talking to Hardhead this morning about it. He says, that phone looks nice, but man, that's thick. And I had to explain to him, I said, dude, you not played with foams long enough. That's actually pretty much what foams used to be like anyway, far as that thickness goes. And that's not very thick.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:32):
But yeah, when I, when they showed it to us on the, the whatever it was, the press briefing, it was real impressive. Like, I was like, dang, that's spelled

Leo Laporte (01:40:45):
<Laugh>. Yeah. So did you handle it?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:48):
No, no, no. It was a virtual, it was like a Zoom press pre speed.

Leo Laporte (01:40:51):
It is a higher screen resolution slightly 2208 by 1840. That's a little higher than the Z fold for

Stacey Higginbotham (01:40:59):
How much does it weigh?

Leo Laporte (01:41:01):
It weighs sloppy wrist.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:03):
200, a floppy wrist contingent. Wants to know

Leo Laporte (01:41:05):
About 10 ounces, which is not super heavy. It's a little more, it is more than the galaxy fold, also bigger battery, which is good. And, and it has, you know, it's funny because Apple gets so much material, so much mileage outta the fact that they make their own processors and the, you know, we got RA four A 15 and we've got the M one. Google's been making their own processors in the, since the Pixel seven. Right. And it's the Tensor G two, which is I think a pretty good chip, but they don't get the, they don't get the love for it. 12 gigs of ram. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:41:36):
Know Connic in,

Ant Pruitt (01:41:38):
In running desktop computers and laptops the way Apple is doing it with all

Leo Laporte (01:41:43):
Of their stuff. Right. But I think it's as comp as, as, as as powerful. I don't know. I think it is camera. You know, it's a Google camera, so it's probably pretty good. Probably comparable to the Samsung I, the fold camera's. Very good. I think. Does not have eight K video recording Fold does. It's got a fingerprint scanner in the power button. Unlike that. That was a good choice. It does have face ID with your face unlocked, which the fold does not. Millimeter wave and sub six gigahertz. Stacey says thumbs up, right? Yes. Wifi six E. That's good. No stylus. Yeah. For a fold. Yeah. And both are both. 1799. 99.

Jeff Jarvis (01:42:26):
Does the Samsung have a stylist?

Leo Laporte (01:42:28):
Yes. The Samsung is basically

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:30):
The Pixel tablet. Didn't have a stylist.

Leo Laporte (01:42:33):
Oh, it doesn't, they didn't mention a stylist, did they? No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:36):
No. It actually doesn't. Someone asked and it does not have

Leo Laporte (01:42:38):
A stylist. Oh, interesting. Or it

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:39):
Just feels like a half-ass tablet. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:42:41):
Which is what every Android tablet. Well, certainly every Pixel tablet has felt like I guess people like the Samsung Galaxy note tablet. Anyway, pixel fold. Oh. So when did you get your briefing? You, you were all up on this already.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:42:57):
May 1st.

Leo Laporte (01:42:58):
May 1st. Wow. I was still in Italy. No, <laugh>. She kept

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:05):
Shut. You didn't share with us far.

Leo Laporte (01:43:08):
Yeah, she's from me far. You were NDA in Italy. <Laugh>,

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:12):
You could trust Stacy with your

Leo Laporte (01:43:13):
Secrets. I presume you were you were NDA and all of that.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:17):
I only do embargo's. I don't do NDAs, but I was under embargo.

Leo Laporte (01:43:21):
So you couldn't I don't break embargo. You could have told us.

Jeff Jarvis (01:43:25):
Yeah, you could've boarded. I know something you

Leo Laporte (01:43:29):
Dunno. Once

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:30):
Also, I try to keep my word. I mean, I've, I wouldn't ever, what's the difference?

Leo Laporte (01:43:35):
Break s between an embargo and an nda? Embargo just means you can't write about a 10 midnight Tuesday or whatever. Right?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:41):
Yeah. An NDA is like legally binding.

Leo Laporte (01:43:43):
Yeah. An embargo. Embargo

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:45):
Is like a promise.

Leo Laporte (01:43:48):
Yeah. I might in for instance, an embargo. You could intimate. Yeah, I've seen it. I'll have an article on Tuesday. Right. That wouldn't break you. Yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:43:57):
You, you are allowed to say you're underbar. Like I even said it last week. I said I was under embargo for some of this stuff.

Leo Laporte (01:44:03):
Did she? I missed that. Oh, well I would oppress you. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:06):
Know you don't listen to me.

Leo Laporte (01:44:06):
I would've press you hard. <Laugh>. One of the things Google mentioned is that, and this is I think gonna be interesting. I wish I could go to Ohio to do it. Wendy's is going to use Google's Bard as an order taker. They're gonna try it out first. Yeah. And Columbus, Wendy's, they say it's gonna shorten the lines. <Laugh> can. It's gonna make 'em longer.

Ant Pruitt (01:44:34):
Good.

Leo Laporte (01:44:35):
Gosh. It's not. I Have you ever met a, a chat that is not loquacious?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:44:42):
Maybe it'll be trained on short. People like are people who are Brad, not short people.

Leo Laporte (01:44:47):
It'll it'll be great brief people. This is all right. I'll just tell you what the Wall Street Journal wrote. Mr. Pentago, whoever he is says it'll be very conversational. No, you won't know you're talking to anybody but an employee. In fact, Wendy's mistakenly said it's smarter than our employees. Oh boy. Oh, I'd like lemonade

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:07):
With no ice. Yes. The lemonade is very nice.

Leo Laporte (01:45:11):
Yeah. Wendy's, what's gonna happen? No, no. Cuz they're doing a customized language model that understands There's cars, there's noise, there's kids in the backseat. They're gonna filter all We're gonna see

Jeff Jarvis (01:45:19):
Tos of Wendy's.

Leo Laporte (01:45:20):
Oh, I can can't wait. Screw it up. Oh man. Tiktok ERs converge on Columbus. Yes. We need to see this. They Wendy's customized language includes unique phrases. Wendy's customers apparently use Now I've been to a Wendy's. I've never called it a J B C

Ant Pruitt (01:45:37):
Oh my gosh.

Leo Laporte (01:45:38):
For a junior bacon cheeseburger.

Ant Pruitt (01:45:41):
I've, I've actually heard some of those now. Have you think

Leo Laporte (01:45:43):
About it. You know what a biggie bag is,

Ant Pruitt (01:45:45):
JB Yeah, I've heard, I've heard those phrases. Wendy.

Leo Laporte (01:45:48):
They

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:48):
Have an ad campaign, but isn't Biggie

Ant Pruitt (01:45:50):
Bags a teenager or three running around?

Leo Laporte (01:45:53):
So I actually like Wendy's. The hamburgers are square. Yes.

Ant Pruitt (01:45:55):
Give me bacon Nader all day baby. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:45:58):
Wendy's

Stacey Higginbotham (01:45:58):
Milkshakes or no, the spicy grilled cheese sandwich or spiky Spicy, yeah. Chicken sandwich. That's my go to.

Leo Laporte (01:46:05):
Oh yeah. I love their chicken. Oh, Popeye sandwiches

Jeff Jarvis (01:46:06):
Has a much better

Leo Laporte (01:46:07):
Chicken sandwich. Yeah, you heat until pop

Ant Pruitt (01:46:09):
Burger joint for chicken. Come on. I

Leo Laporte (01:46:11):
Knows. I know, I know. I don't like burgers. Wendy's calls his milkshakes Frosties. But the chat has to understand milkshake and frosty. Oh no. You may Thomas Curry and CEO O of Google Cloud. You may think driving by and speaking into a drive-through is an easy problem for ai. But it's actually one of the hardest. I believe that a lot of challenges noise. You want shut up kids. Let me order with choose. Oh. And they have the upsell built in. The upsell is built in kids. Oh,

Ant Pruitt (01:46:51):
No. Of course they do.

Leo Laporte (01:46:53):
Was that a super large? Yeah. Would you like a milkshake with fm? Sorry. A frosty. How about a Biggie bag? It says least This is the, this is Wendy's cio, Kevin Scon says it's as least as good as our best customer service representative. And it's probably on average bidder. Mr. Ves

Ant Pruitt (01:47:15):
In thy mouth. Bring

Leo Laporte (01:47:16):
In the union.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:16):
He clearly

Leo Laporte (01:47:17):
<Laugh> bring in the union. I

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:19):
Don't know if he, yeah, he must, he must actually eat at Wendy's. I don't know.

Leo Laporte (01:47:23):
80% of food orders at Wendy's are made in the drive-through. Have you ever been in a Wendy's?

Stacey Higginbotham (01:47:30):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (01:47:31):
Now you know why? Yes. When, when my kids were little. Yeah. That's one of, you know, is a, that would be variety for me instead of Burger King.

Ant Pruitt (01:47:38):
Honestly, I typically go inside of these places because it's usually faster. It is drive-through.

Leo Laporte (01:47:44):
Well, and that's the whole problem they're trying to solve, is they want to, it says the order grows directly to the Chef <laugh>. Chef <laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (01:47:54):
Say it with a straight face. Say it with a straight face. Read that again. <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:48:03):
Okay. <Laugh>. Oh, well, we'll find out. It'll be in Columbus, Ohio in June, please. Tiktok ERs fill us in.

Ant Pruitt (01:48:17):
Oh, man.

Leo Laporte (01:48:18):
Ah. All right. Other, in other, is there anything else from io? We mentioned the seven A. We mentioned the, the, that's said for my own. No, that's it. By the way, if you get that 1799 99 phone, you'll get a free pixel watch in with everybody that's not

Ant Pruitt (01:48:33):
On your wrist. That's not a pixel watch on your wrist, sir. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:48:36):
No. Oh, you're right. This is the good one. Yeah. hey,

Ant Pruitt (01:48:40):
You said the six A was marked down. What was it marked down to? I

Leo Laporte (01:48:44):
Thought I saw

Stacey Higginbotham (01:48:45):
4 99.

Leo Laporte (01:48:47):
No, 49 is the seven A. I think I saw six a I want to say 3 29. I saw, but look, I can do it for you. I'm a member. A, I'm not only a hair 2 99. I'm not only the president of the hair club. Be 49. I'm also a client. 3 49. Okay.

Ant Pruitt (01:49:06):
3 49.

Leo Laporte (01:49:08):
That I think is a good price for a great phone. Yep. That's probably the sweet spot, to be honest. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:14):
You can buy, you can buy a six A at Best Buy for three or 2 99, but it's only 128 gigs.

Leo Laporte (01:49:20):
It's subsidized though.

Ant Pruitt (01:49:21):
That's all I would need.

Leo Laporte (01:49:22):
You have to probably have to sign up with ATTs. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:24):
Best Buys is unlocked.

Leo Laporte (01:49:25):
Oh, nice. Oh, okay. 2, 2 99. I don't, now we're talking.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:29):
Oh, you know, maybe, maybe it's the color. Oh, yeah, because

Ant Pruitt (01:49:34):
Don't <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:35):
Oh, no. You can get charcoal. It doesn't have to be Sage Green.

Leo Laporte (01:49:38):
Perfect. Is this for Queen Pruit or you?

Ant Pruitt (01:49:41):
No, I'm considering another phone. Oh.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:49:44):
But it's only 128 gigs. Is that okay

Ant Pruitt (01:49:46):
For you? Yeah, that's totally

Jeff Jarvis (01:49:47):
Photo Man. Or do you,

Leo Laporte (01:49:49):
I'll tell you this right now, I

Ant Pruitt (01:49:50):
Don't keep all of my photos on my phone. I'll

Leo Laporte (01:49:52):
Tell you this

Ant Pruitt (01:49:52):
Right now. Most of you, he crazy people do all, we need 10,000 on your

Leo Laporte (01:49:56):
Phone. All we need is a hundred people to join Club Twit right now. And Aunt Pruit can have a pixel fold, ladies and gentlemen. All right. If a hundred people sign

Ant Pruitt (01:50:06):
Up, keep it

Leo Laporte (01:50:06):
Going. If a hundred people sign up before the end of this show, aunt Pruitt gets a new phone. How about that? How about that? Perfect.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:14):
A hundred people are still listening This far end. That's the miracle.

Leo Laporte (01:50:18):
Oh, please. It's not, we've only been going for an hour 48. You want to get to your catch at Pepe? Alright. Quickly. No, no,

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:23):
No, no. Somewhat, somewhat related to Google and all that. It's not part of io. You may just blow me off if that's okay. But you have the secret sauce memo, and then related to that is Google a story of the Washington Post about how Google was sharing its AI knowledge with the world until chat g p t came along and the furor and how it's kind of locking down. It's not as open as it was.

Leo Laporte (01:50:47):
Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:48):
And, and is Google so special? That memo was really interested. It was a leaked not memo, but a late post on internal on journal discussion.

Leo Laporte (01:50:56):
The one that says, we have don't no mo

Jeff Jarvis (01:50:57):
We have sauce here.

Leo Laporte (01:50:58):
We have no mote, but neither does open ai. That one. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:03):
I thought it was interesting.

Leo Laporte (01:51:03):
Yeah. they're worried. We knew, they were worried that open AI would outcompete Google. But the document actually said the real fear, the real threat is not Microsoft or philanthropic. It's open source. And if you think about it, look at stable diffusion and how quickly stable diffusion went from zero to 60 in a couple of weeks. It was open source because everybody could run it on their own machine. Right? Right. So I think that's an interesting point. Sunar Pacha did make the point that we're, you know, they had a bunch of names for their, there was Imogen Cody, SHERP

Ant Pruitt (01:51:40):
<Laugh> Gecko Unicorn.

Leo Laporte (01:51:42):
Gecko

Ant Pruitt (01:51:43):
<Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:51:44):
Yeah. There were a bunch of animals. Right. They the animals were like, well, we can put a model on your phone. That was the gecko. Right.

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:53):
Yeah. And the, and the unicorn was the biggest.

Leo Laporte (01:51:56):
Right. <laugh>. Well, I

Jeff Jarvis (01:51:59):
Don't think unicorns are generally big.

Leo Laporte (01:52:01):
No. I think unicorns are hard to get to. And maybe that's, it takes a virgin to sit in a woods. I thought they

Jeff Jarvis (01:52:08):
Were magical.

Leo Laporte (01:52:09):
They're magical and unbelievable. And they don't exist, and they're not real.

Ant Pruitt (01:52:12):
And the heck is a unicorn, not

Leo Laporte (01:52:14):
Real. U f o hunters have built, this is all the this week in ai. Actually, let's do it. Unicorn. I'm sorry. U f o hunters might as well be unicorn hunters <laugh> are doing an open source AI system to scan the sky. Perfect example, right? Sky 360 is a worldwide network of automated cameras. See, there's so many cameras now out there watching for UFOs because they don't think, they don't, the Air Force and the federal government that, you know, they think they're sitting on this. So they're, they said, we're gonna do our own research and we're gonna see if we can find some UFOs.

Ant Pruitt (01:52:59):
I wonder how many of those, those cameras return Sky link. What, what starlink Sky Link, whatever. It's Oh, yeah,

Leo Laporte (01:53:08):
Yeah.

Ant Pruitt (01:53:08):
Wonder if how many times that pops up in the results. The oh yeah. Is just another 30,000 <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (01:53:14):
The astronomy the astronomy subreddit on Reddit. One of the moderators said We need some automation so that every time somebody posts, what was that weird l link of Listen, 60 straight line satellite lights up there. That's a U F O. No, no, it's starlink. They need to automate that one. Cause it happens every time. The Sky 360 stations, if you want to get involved, consist of an all sky cam. It has a wide angle fisheye lens with a pan tilt focus. And the fisheye registers all movement under underlying software performs initial rough analysis of whatever's going on, decides whether to activate the other sense sensors, and then the pan tilt focus zooms in on the object and tracks it further, analyzes it. So there's a lot of computer vision involved. And then they That's

Ant Pruitt (01:54:04):
Awesome.

Leo Laporte (01:54:05):
Yeah. And then they have a Discord server. So far, 20 people have set up stations from the US to Canada to the Azores of the middle of the Atlantic. They'd like to get many, many more. Yeah. I think this is awesome. What are they gonna find out? Well,

Ant Pruitt (01:54:21):
Chinese balloons.

Leo Laporte (01:54:22):
Yeah. Something <laugh>. But here's a map, actually. They've got quite a few out there. Once enough of the Sky 360 stations have, have been deployed, the next step is to work toward real-time monitoring, drawing all the data together and analyzing it. 30 volunteer developers working on the software. It's open source. So that's, yeah, I think that's cool. That's a good use of ai. Spotify says, making music's a bad use of ai. They have ejected thousands of AI made songs. They're purging fake streams and purging record labels like Boomie, which are designed to upload ai. You can make a lot of money if you can, you know, get the right SEO on. And some people might like it. Why do they take it down? Boomie has uploaded the equivalent of tens of thousands of songs. <Laugh>,

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:16):
That's a awful than the store.

Leo Laporte (01:55:18):
Yeah. you know, nobody's doing it. It's gotta be automatic. Boomie says, oh no, our users have done this. They've created more than 14 million songs. Jesus, get rid to me. It's like,

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:33):
Te I'm gonna get people mad at me. This, but AI could make techno as easy as pie.

Leo Laporte (01:55:39):
Yeah. Techno easy sounds.

Jeff Jarvis (01:55:41):
It sounds like

Leo Laporte (01:55:42):
AI made it. Yeah. Have to dumb themselves down and make edm. I'm sorry. Hey, we sound like old men, don't we? You like EDM here? We do <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (01:55:51):
Here. We do. I It's fun to dance too. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (01:55:53):
Stop dancing to that synthetic music. You young people need to listen to rock and roll.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:01):
Cool. Gosh. All right. Let's, let's get you going here, because you're just getting Man,

Leo Laporte (01:56:10):
Parsons, you know, Parsons School of Design, that's where Project Runways started, right? Tim Gunn and all that. Well, it's known for other things like that, but go ahead. It's a well known fashion institute, right? Yes, it is. They have a class now. They're doing it in partnership with Roblox to do an avatar clothing design course. It's called Collab Roblox. And they say, yeah,

Stacey Higginbotham (01:56:38):
Everything's a CoLab these days.

Leo Laporte (01:56:39):
Yeah. Our students, our students want to design not clothes for Gucci and Lauren and Burberry, but her Roblox actually, Gucci, Ralph, Lauren and Burberry all have Roblox versions of their clothing. So maybe there's a big busy business prices range from 50 Robuck.

Ant Pruitt (01:57:02):
But did they mention NFTs in this? Because I wanna say that was a part of the hustle discussion last year, a year before.

Leo Laporte (01:57:10):
Oh, now we've moved on to AI avatar design. I don't know. Anyway, it's a three hour weekly course for credit. But there's a catch. Roblox gets 30% of every <laugh>, every go. There is a, there is a catch. You gotta, careful

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:31):
It's making apps,

Ant Pruitt (01:57:32):
Businesses, business

Leo Laporte (01:57:33):
Nuts. Can't be sexy cuz we got kids on here. One student tried to make a digital corset for an avatar. Got a ro warning from Roblox. We do not permit sexual content of any kind. The corset is sexual.

Stacey Higginbotham (01:57:46):
Well, corset corsets are, there is a, the corset sweatshirt is like one of the most, like, like, I don't know, high fashion designs or street fashion designs right? Now, of course, thats aren't

Leo Laporte (01:57:58):
Sexy. How about, I mean, they

Stacey Higginbotham (01:58:00):
Can be

Leo Laporte (01:58:00):
Sexy, but I think you might like this, Stacy, a bubblegum pink crop top with a heart cut out across the front and a gravity defying puffy sleeves.

Ant Pruitt (01:58:09):
Oh, okay.

Leo Laporte (01:58:12):
Sure. Seinfeld. Parson student Leia Melendez designed that digital fashion has taken way more seriously now in real life. The sleeves had fall down the arms, but in Roblox, you don't have to worry about that. <Laugh>. There's a lot of stories. Let me run through these here. I got more too. I got a few more DEFCON this year will be will have, you know, in the past they had, for instance, the the digital election machine alley or village, I guess they call it, where hackers could try to hack election machines This year, they're gonna have an AI village where hackers will be in invited. Did I do this last week? No, sir. No. Oh, I did it on twit. That's why they're gonna hack large language models built by OpenAI, Google Anthro. There's anthro again. They got a good PR company, I don't know.

(01:59:05):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. That'll be August 10th through 13th. And they expect tropic or philanthropic. Well, in the ancient Greek, it's a takeoff of the word anthrop. Anthrop throw past <laugh> Socrates. Oh man. Is was a man. All men are Socrates. Therefore, I don't know. Fortnite is now an Olympic eSport. What the Olympics are adding we're looking at, anyway, eSports. Oh, you're kidding me. The Olympics. No. Well, it won't be in the money. Money, money won. It won't be won. Won money, money, money won't be in the official Olympics yet. Those are gonna be in Paris next year. This year. Let's the 12 top players from the Fortnite Championship Series will go to Singapore, 23rd to 25th of June to join players in other sports archery, baseball, cycling, sailing, TaeKwonDo, and tennis. Also chess, but not real online. Right. the dance event will be just dance.

(02:00:12):
The racing event will be grand charisma, archery will be replicated by a smartphone game called Tic-Tac Bow <laugh>, which combines the traditional classic pen and paper game knots and crosses with archery. So that's gotta be fun. But the weird thing is, for the longest time, the I O C said, no, no, no shooters. But they say Fortnite is okay. It's a family friendly shooter They have by athletes, man. Yeah. Shoot guns. Those people literally ski and shoot. Yeah. Anyway, so well watch, watch for that Olympic event. They're, it's not yet officially, you're not gonna get a gold medal or anything, but you know what, in four more years, who knows? You get, you get a fake virtual gold medal. Yeah. Virtual gold medal. Kind of bad news. But we'll see. Maybe they'll the, you know, the other shoe will drop. But a judge has dismissed the FTC lawsuit against Cor Chava or Coach Chava, which is a data broker.

(02:01:10):
They were selling location information from smartphones. The FTCs not getting a great track record here in court. This is bad news. The company collects more than 90 location data points a day from about 35 million active mobile device users. The location coordinates can reveal where each mobile device has been approximately every 15 minutes. The FTC filed a complaint last August saying that the sale of geolocation data on tens of millions of smartphones could be used to track people's visits to private locations like churches, synagogues, mosques, abortion clinics, domestic violence shelters, medical centers, and homeless shelters. The judge didn't completely throw it out. It was the United States district court for Idaho. The judge said the agency's claim that C Chavas sale of location data was a severe intrusion on customer's privacy. And that amounted to injury. The judge said, no, no injury here.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:13):
Ah

Leo Laporte (02:02:16):
But kind of gave the F T C a way forward by saying, you gotta show where there's, where there's harm.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:28):
So privacy harms are really hard to prove. Yes. This is one of the big issues. I have a real, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, keep going.

Leo Laporte (02:02:37):
<Laugh>. Keep going. It's moving

Stacey Higginbotham (02:02:39):
Right along. <Laugh>,

Leo Laporte (02:02:41):
And I thought this was very weird. Microsoft has signed a deal to use Fusion energy to power its operations by 2028. The reason I think that's weird, <laugh>, is there's no such thing as fusion energy, right. Right now. Somebody

Stacey Higginbotham (02:03:00):
Sold them on it.

Leo Laporte (02:03:02):
Yeah. Bridge too. Or this could be kind of a way to kind of say, look, we're gonna, we, we are planning on being carbon neutral. It's just this fusion thing. They gotta figure this out. The, they have signed a, a deal with Fusion Energy Company. He on energy to purchase electricity from their first ever fusion power plant. The company says the fusion plant is slated to bring in producing 50 megawatts of clean energy starting in five years, distributed by energy company constellation. Only some, you know, a little small issue is, you know, they haven't figured out how to create fusion energy without spending more energy to generate it than it generates. But there have been a couple experiments lately that have, that have maybe shown that possible. So they're doing Magni Inertial Fusion. How was that an AI story? Oh, I finished the AI segment. Yeah, that's long ago, sir. Where you been

Stacey Higginbotham (02:04:00):
<Laugh>?

Leo Laporte (02:04:02):
I'm doing, I'm trying to run through all, because I want to get outta here. I'm trying to run through with the, the rest of the stories here. You saw the amp story they quoted Richard Gingrich, they said, and Me Too. And you had a, Google tried to fix the web by taking it over. The story titled Speed Trap appeared in the Verge. Google promised to create a better faster web for media companies with a new standard called Amp. In the end, it ruined the trust publishers had in the Intergen giant. I'm sure you'd disagree with that premise. Well, I have a, I have a thread on line 69

Jeff Jarvis (02:04:37):
About this. And no, the publishers are could be jerks too. But I think Google made some fundamental mistakes when this came up in Finland. The quotes be being Finland raising this and, and the need for what was a, a, a portable newspaper where newspaper content could travel with this business model attached, which is the original idea I had.

(02:04:57):
The one Google executive who was at the news Geist in Finland, said, you know, nobody's gonna trust Google to do this. And that's pretty much what came out. And Google, I think messed up in, in, in three critical quick ways. One, they cashed it themselves. Everybody thought they were building a walled garden and they did the cash for speed and they shouldn't have done it themselves. Two, they didn't pass it off to be truly open source with open source governance soon enough. And I forget where the third word was. But they just made some fundamental mistakes, I think a lot. Oh, I know. And that they, they said, oh, if your, if your, if your pages as fast as amp, not necessarily amp, but fast as amp, then you'll get into the news carousel. But everybody saw that as bribery to use amp. So it pissed off publishers who were an easy lot to piss off anyway. And it kind of ruined it. The truth remains. The reason this came up, the reason that Google did it, the reason that Dave Bepress built it is because publishers have screwed up the web. We've made it slow and ugly and filled with promotions and filled with crap. And that's still the case. Which is too bet.

Leo Laporte (02:06:04):
It's funny cuz they blame you <laugh> The Verge says in May, 2015 at the first Newsgeist Europe, Jarvis spent time at the conference arguing for someone presumably Googled to build a better alternative to instant articles. Which he said,

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:21):
Which was a Facebook's

Leo Laporte (02:06:22):
Thing. Yeah. Was a useful technical prototype with all the wrong attributes. An open version, essentially, of instant articles. So

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:29):
Dave Pierce got the story right. He got the sequence for

Leo Laporte (02:06:31):
Right here. Yeah. Spri said, okay, let's work on that. I w I did not, I did not know when I argued with you about Amp and what a bad idea wa it was that it came that you had kind of, we had Gingrich on though, Dave. Yeah, we did. Yeah,

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:44):
We

Leo Laporte (02:06:45):
Did at the time to defend it. I, I had the same, I think qualms that the publishers ended up having that it really wasn't really open that it was really Google. I mean, it is

Jeff Jarvis (02:06:56):
Now. And, and there's a guy named Dave Gary, who I like quite a bit. And I, him respond to me in the thread and he says it's still around and it's still being used and, and publishers are still using it to get extra money. And he's got a company that does that. And you know, it's not dad it's just, it's just Google's not pushing it as much as they were.

Leo Laporte (02:07:15):
Yeah. good news. The Earth could soon be more detectable by aliens. This is <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:26):
It's a weird story.

Leo Laporte (02:07:27):
You know, trying It's a non-story motherboard. It's a

Jeff Jarvis (02:07:30):
Non-Story. Cuz they said like two paragraphs into it. Well, actually that's not true.

Leo Laporte (02:07:34):
Just too weak. It's basically link bait. But you know, they're going bankrupt. They gotta do something. It worked. It worked. The premise is right now, you know, the things that we sent out. We don't send TV signals as much as we used to or radio, but the 5G stuff, all, you know, attenuates way before it gets to anywhere that people, other people mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, other aliens could be. But someday, <laugh>, someday we're gonna produce something that gets there.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:02):
Stupid story. <Laugh>, you complain about my rundown.

Leo Laporte (02:08:05):
Geez. but no, this is part of our job is to debunk.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:09):
Oh, I see.

Leo Laporte (02:08:10):
I mean, I debunked Microsoft using fusion energy.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:14):
Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:08:16):
Anything else? Nearly half a blob. What? Our blob.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:23):
The twi the the TWiG blob that we've talked about over time.

Leo Laporte (02:08:26):
Oh, this was Stacey's term for kind of your data, right? Your data blog. Well, it

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:31):
Was, no, it was, it was a kind of a device would be, would be necessarily a phone or something else. It would just be, well,

Leo Laporte (02:08:36):
Who's phone? But maybe it was Joan Donovan, somebody coined

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:39):
It was me. I had,

Leo Laporte (02:08:40):
I had you had that. You coined the phrase the blob.

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:42):
Well, we've talked about the blob. We all added to this idea that you didn't have a

Leo Laporte (02:08:45):
Phone. Stacy though came up. No,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:08:47):
I I would never, I would never tell something something. So inelegant <laugh>. See,

Leo Laporte (02:08:51):
Stacy

Jeff Jarvis (02:08:52):
Gets mad when, when things that she does say don't get credited to her. And when things, she doesn't say get blamed on

Leo Laporte (02:08:57):
Her. I swear to God it was somebody to my right. Of the female persuasion. So if it was maybe when Stacy was gone, I think it

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:04):
Was me.

Leo Laporte (02:09:05):
Anyway. Okay, well maybe Anyway.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:06):
Is that, how am I not a person? I'm just a per a

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:10):
Person. You're a female,

Leo Laporte (02:09:10):
Persuasions

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:11):
Female on right on the right.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:13):
Female

Leo Laporte (02:09:14):
Unright,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:15):
<Laugh> annoying voice on

Leo Laporte (02:09:16):
This side. H voice on my right. That's all I know. That's

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:18):
Your movie. Credit Female on. Right? High

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:20):
Voice is is not even

Leo Laporte (02:09:21):
That. No. You have a very deep voice. Actually. Did you see the horrible, appalling article on Theranos Elizabeth Holmes.

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:33):
Oh. Oh, that's, oh, don't

Leo Laporte (02:09:34):
Call me. I'm not Elizabeth anymore. I'm Liz. I don't even use that low voice anymore. New York Times, you use your voice Shame on you New York Times for trying to re re rehabilitate. I

Jeff Jarvis (02:09:44):
Got a New York Times editor going after me when I complained about and I complained about it. I think it was a horrible story. Horrible. They, that it was this, it was this nuance piece that was showing how people could be taken in by her. The reporter was putting herself in that position. I said, no, no, sorry.

Leo Laporte (02:09:56):
No,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:09:57):
No. Didn't they even say, like in the article, her editor was like, you got rolled, dude. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:10:01):
Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:02):
They shouldn't listen as an editor if I thought my reporter got rolled, I didn't. I'm

Leo Laporte (02:10:05):
You're publish story.

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:06):
We're not publishing the story. Yeah, but it's nuanced. It's more nuanced than we know.

Leo Laporte (02:10:11):
<Laugh>. No, it's more nuanced than

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:14):
We know. <Laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:10:16):
Trust me. Tucker Carlson going to Twitter. All the, all the best people are on Twitter now. Yeah. Yes.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:27):
The best people,

Leo Laporte (02:10:28):
Best people. Americans are smuggling fruit rollups into Israel. This must be one of yours, Jeff.

Jeff Jarvis (02:10:35):
It is indeed. Because you can blame TikTok and that's why it's there. Because there's a TikTok thing. If you put ice cream inside of Ru rollup, it gets kind of crunchy and everybody loves it in Israel, but they're, they're so short there that they cost a fortune. So people are smuggling in huge amounts of fruit rollups and they're getting arrested for it at the border.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:10:56):
I was confused why they were ar arrest, I guess you can't smuggle in That's right. $300 worth of Okay. Yeah. I, it's like, it's fruit

Leo Laporte (02:11:03):
Rollups smuggling against the law.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:11:07):
Is it cuz it's a food or is it just, I mean,

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:09):
I, I don't, I Maybe you don't declare it. I mean, you're only allowed so many fruit Rollups Israel. Oh my God. Or I guess they're just not kosher. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <Affirmative>.

Leo Laporte (02:11:17):
All right, let's take a break. And then your picks of the week. We're not gonna do a change log this week. We don't need to. The whole show was about that stupid thing.

Jeff Jarvis (02:11:25):
Yeah. The, the change log was to fix the fact that we don't do Google, but we did Google somewhere. Yeah. Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:11:30):
Yeah. So we don't need to, that's our excuse. I'm, we've made good. I'm sticking with it. I wanna put in a pitch cuz we don't have an ad in this position. This is a normal ad position. But I wanna put in a pitch to people who are watching the show, who might have a business, who might doing be doing marketing for a business who are looking for a way to promote their business or service. And I just wanna put in a pitch for what we do here at twit. Let me tell you what our mission statement is cuz, and this is important. It will help you understand why you should be advertising on twit. Our mission statement. It's right here on the wall. We are dedicated to building a highly engaged community of tech enthusiasts by offering them the knowledge they need to understand and use technology in today's world.

(02:12:16):
I think we do that. I think we do that really well. And I think one of the ways from, you know, the, in the very beginning we realize in, in order to do this, we need to, you know, do what we've done, which is build a studio, hire people, hire talented hosts and co-hosts. And we needed advertising to do this. And it's worked. Cuz I think we have a really great audience. Half of our listeners are in management positions or above. 65% are involved in their company's decision making. Particularly with it. When you advertise on twit, your, they're all host Red Ads, right? This is one thing we do that other podcasts, other advertising media do not do. They, you know, they have pre-recorded ads. They inject into the content. We do the ads. I do the ads. And you've heard me do the ads.

(02:13:06):
And I, and I am, the way I think about this is we, we turn away some advertisers cuz we wanna make sure that we're talking about something we know and can recommend. And I feel like I'm taking, you know, using my integrity to introduce a product or service to our qualified audience. It's an introduction. It's not the kind of ad where we say, you know, you've got bad breath and you better get scope. It's the kind of ad where we say, here's the features, here's the benefits, here's why you should take a look at something like this and it really, really works. Look, just look at some of the testimonials. Tim Broom, who was the founder of it, pro tv, we put them on the map. They've been with our network since day one, since they started. He says, we would not be where we are today without the TWIT network.

(02:13:51):
And I, I think that's true. We're very proud of that work we've done for them. Mark McCreary, CEO O of Authentic. He's been partnering with us for 16 years. He brought us our first ads. He said the feedback from many advertisers over those 16 years across a range of product categories is that if ads and podcasts are ever gonna work for a brand, they're gonna work on Twitch shows. We produce results. That's why many of our advertisers come back year after year after year. There's another thing we do that nobody else does, and I'm very proud of it. We have built a great team. Lisa, of course leads the team. Ryan and Max, our salespeople. Those are the people you'll talk to. Our continuity department with Debbie and Viva and Sebastian. We built a great team to create the gold standard in podcast advertising.

(02:14:37):
We provide all the services you need because, you know, especially in the early days they never advertised on podcasts. In fact, many of our early advertisers like IT pro had never advertised anywhere, by the way, with it pro it works so well. They didn't need to advertise anywhere else. You'll get a full service continuity team supporting everything from copywriting to graphic design. You'll get embedded ads, not, you know, they're part of the content, right? Just like this. And they're unique. Every single time we do new ads, ev fresh, every single time. We always over-deliver on impressions. That's our promise to you. We'll give you all the onboarding services you need Ad tech with pod sites. We give that free to our direct clients. You get lots of reporting. You get courtesy commercials. You know, the commercials that I do and, and Jason and Micah and aunt do, they're shareable across social media.

(02:15:30):
And landing pages will give you a lot of freebies. Like mentions in our weekly newsletter that goes to thousands of fans. You get bonus ads, social media promotion. And because we know, you know, it's times are a little tough for everybody. We, we go the extra mile to make sure every single ad we do is, is gonna work for you and is gonna help your product or business take off. Look, if you're ready to elevate your business, reach out to us. Max or Ryan or Lisa will respond. When you email advertise@twit.tv, you'll be you'll be pitching to a world class audience. We love our audience. They're smart, they're educated, they're high income and they're decision makers in, in their businesses for the most part. And and you'll get a great ad. I promise you. That's, that's my promise to you advertise@twit.tv. We thank, I just thank you for your time. I appreciate it. And Lisa has all the demographics from the survey. Oh, you've seen how you, you've seen we've got demographics, all that information. Yeah.

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:31):
And I think the other important thing is the unaided recall of a podcast ad here is tremendous. People know the advertisers

Leo Laporte (02:16:39):
Here. I, you know, I'm, I can't, I've seen research, I can't, you know, people pay for research to find out. And I've seen it. I can't say who or I can't give you any details. It's well over 90% unaid recall in many cases. That's

Jeff Jarvis (02:16:54):
Unprecedented. Un

Leo Laporte (02:16:55):
You know, ask somebody, what's the recall? Oh, you saw that ad where a guy gets in a car wreck and cuz he's doing atic TikTok dance. What's the product? Nobody got it. Yeah. Oh, nobody can remember <laugh>. But our ads really work. So Yeah, I I appreciate taking your time on that. But

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:13):
It's comparable to that 1968 Bayer ad that we were talking that you still

Leo Laporte (02:17:17):
Remember. Did you have a tepo shot? That's why.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:20):
Or 1963.

Leo Laporte (02:17:21):
That's why Bear ad That's why. Hey, Stacy, what do you got? I, I have a new name for your thing, by the way. What's under Stacey's desk?

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:30):
<Laugh>. <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:34):
Sometimes it's to the left or to the right, but yeah, you're not wrong. Today I don't have a thing. I have a reminder. It is Mother's Day this Sunday.

Leo Laporte (02:17:45):
Oh, I'll be right back.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:46):
So, right. For everybody who might be like, oh no, you,

Jeff Jarvis (02:17:49):
She like a tablet

Stacey Higginbotham (02:17:50):
<Laugh>. So the tablet doesn't ship till June. That's more Father's Day kind of thing. But if you are in a bind, I have it, here's some quick, quick things please. That you might be able to get and

Leo Laporte (02:18:07):
Send. Help me. Help me

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:09):
First up, if you're gonna see your mom in person, here's an easy idea. Plant a little herb garden for her. Go buy a stick 'em in a thing and bring that to her. That's,

Leo Laporte (02:18:18):
That's a great idea. Yeah. Love that. What herbs would you put in there?

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:25):
Word?

Leo Laporte (02:18:26):
No, don't.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:27):
Yeah, I was like, I would pick things like based on indica, what they like. Like my mom's a huge fan of

Leo Laporte (02:18:34):
Yeah. Did you just say indica? <Laugh>? Yes. I was just gonna

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:39):
Gloss right over that

Leo Laporte (02:18:41):
A nice herb. Don't cook with it. Well, maybe you could <laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:18:45):
I mean, I plant, I planted my mom a cocktail garden. All right. I'll just be honest. Oh, nice. So I put

Leo Laporte (02:18:51):
Doodle, perino, cherry, those little onions

Jeff Jarvis (02:18:57):
Olives, olives, olive crow, little olives. The pearls. I kiddos pimentos. It's hard to grow. Pimentos

Leo Laporte (02:19:02):
Mementos. Ah, yeah, God. Oh

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:05):
Yes, yes. So, so that's, that's one option. The if you're not gonna see your mom and it is a little late and you want a digital subscription, buy a book. If your mom's truly buy her truly book. If she's just like a normal mom and likes normal books, buy her whatever and deliver it to their Kindle. I've also bought my mom a Kindle. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:19:26):
That's a, a good, yeah. I got my mama Kendall some years ago. She loves that. Yep. Yep.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:31):
So, and if you find something that actually makes you think of your mom, you can even say, Hey, I read this and I thought of you and send it to them. Mm-Hmm. And if you can say why. Bonus points then final thing. This is actually what I asked for, for this year. Cuz we don't have photos in my house cuz we're not allowed to have stuff. Wait a minute. I asked for a framed Wait, wait,

Leo Laporte (02:19:50):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's a bitter comment. You just sped right by. Andrew doesn't like photos.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:19:57):
Andrew, we have two photos in our entire house.

Leo Laporte (02:20:00):
Oh my God. That's crazy. <Laugh>

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:02):
Like my office is, is my office. But the rest of our house is like,

Leo Laporte (02:20:07):
What does he think you're gonna steal the soul of the person? You're taking

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:10):
The picture? No, he just, he hates he quotes. Here's his quote. That's a little busy.

Leo Laporte (02:20:16):
Oh, we have, so he would hate our house things. He would hate our house.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:20):
He hates a busy environment. We, I mean, I like

Leo Laporte (02:20:22):
To see Lisa's office. There's not a square inch of wall that doesn't have a picture on it.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:20:27):
Anyway, a framed photo, print out a good digital photo of you, your kids, whatever. And you know, you can do that at Walmart. You can do that wherever. Put it in a nice frame. I ask for an engraving. That would be a great family quote on my frame. That's a little late. You might have to do that for Christmas. But none of these are tech gifts. But they're all like things, most people, but especially moms would like

Leo Laporte (02:20:51):
I sent my mom some TP link wifi plugs recommended on this show. As a matter of fact, they're matter compliant. The funny thing is she's not gonna know what the hell to do with them. <Laugh> <laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:05):
Well, batter's easy. You just scan it. She just has to have the right app.

Leo Laporte (02:21:09):
No, I'll walk her through it. But I think it's for things like turn on the lights you know, yeah, there's a lot of useful, you know, start my coffee maker, things like that. But that's,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:21:20):
Oh, don't get your mom a photo of your mom. That's the other thing. <Laugh>, get your photo. Your mom. You want the photo of the kids. The

Leo Laporte (02:21:27):
Kids. That's right. She knows what she looks like. Yes. Actually, you know what I did not for Mother's Day, but just, this is not a bad idea either. When I gave her an Amazon Echo, I updated her to the new Echo I associated with my account and I made sh and I had all the family photos from our whole life cuz we'd scanned the slides and I made that the slideshow on the Echo and sh so a photo frame with a slideshow of family photos. Especially because mom's 90 and that's really, she likes thinking about the good old days and stuff. She really loves that. I'll, every time I call her she says, oh, I just saw one of you and Eva and you're so cute. And you're four years old and yeah. Really that was a good one. Yeah. Well, happy mother. Photo frames are always happy Mothers Day. Stacy, I hope you have a wonderful one. Are you planning anything?

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:19):
My mom's actually gonna be in town. Oh,

Leo Laporte (02:22:21):
Perfect.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:22:22):
Which is weird. Perfect. So we're gonna have

Leo Laporte (02:22:25):
Very nice lobster

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:26):
Rolls and scones with clotted cream.

Ant Pruitt (02:22:27):
Oh

Leo Laporte (02:22:28):
Yeah. Yummy. Yum. Remember the butter goes on the inside of the sandwich. Not the outside. Just a tip. Mr. Jeff Jarvis, do you have a number for us?

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:41):
I think I'll call on our friend near it. Weiss bla. And she has the seven ways that AI coverage fails.

Leo Laporte (02:22:47):
She is a, a researcher who has done a wonderful book on tech journalism. Tela Tela is called She the

Jeff Jarvis (02:22:56):
Show on the show once or twice.

Leo Laporte (02:22:57):
Yep. She's on Twitter at Dr. Tech Lash.

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:00):
So it, it, it, it spells up AI panic, which means that an has to get a new panic

Leo Laporte (02:23:06):
Slide here, <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:08):
So not just moral panic, but also AI panic. So it's a is AI hype and critic hype? I is inducing simplistic binary thinking. P is Pac journalism. A is anthropomorphizing AI and is a narrow focus on the edges of the debate. I is interchanging question marks, reclamation points. And c is conversing, converting, I think sci-fi scenarios as credible

Leo Laporte (02:23:31):
Predictions. Yes. Hey, you know what? That reminds me. We should get Dr. Tech Lash on the show soon. Yes. The next time somebody's not here. I can't tell Jason cause he's busy at Google doing stuff. But somebody I got you. You got me. Aunt <laugh> <laugh>. You got me. He she would be, it's like a Hey aunt, we haven't had her in a while and I think this, you know, I wanna know what she means by this right now.

Jeff Jarvis (02:23:56):
Well, cuz Tristan Harris who went all crazy about, you know, social media now he's basically making another villain, which all he does is erase the word social media and put AI in. So these exact same panics. Yep. And some shame moral entrepreneurs are going after ai. And the panic is even bigger.

Leo Laporte (02:24:11):
The funny thing is she put this on Twitter where all of the crypto bros <laugh> taking the same exact tweets and this changed crypto for ai. It's a nonstop fest of AI bs AI hype, which is what the number one problem or the opposite overconfident techies bragging about their AI systems or overconfident doomsayers accusing those AI systems of atrocities <laugh>.

Jeff Jarvis (02:24:38):
Exactly.

Leo Laporte (02:24:39):
Yeah. Good. There's a good media explaining it all. And do get her book Tech Lash and we will get her on soon cuz she's great. Aunt Pruit. What you got for us aunt?

Ant Pruitt (02:24:52):
I was struggling with the pick of the week, so I just went and grabbed a T G U for everyone to try.

Leo Laporte (02:24:57):
What's a tgu?

Ant Pruitt (02:24:59):
Probably wondering What a tg

Leo Laporte (02:25:00):
What is a TG when it's at home?

Ant Pruitt (02:25:03):
It is a Turkish Get up now. Uhoh. I mean an outfit. <Laugh> don't mean an outfit. So I'm challenging bossing. All of

Leo Laporte (02:25:10):
You mean get up off the floor listeners

Ant Pruitt (02:25:11):
Floor, get off the dag gum floor. Just try this technique. Get off the dag gum floor with a

Leo Laporte (02:25:19):
Weight. I can't even do it by myself with that kennel bell

Ant Pruitt (02:25:21):
<Laugh>. Yeah. And, and,

Leo Laporte (02:25:22):
And you don't even have to do it with a kettlebell if first try it without anything in your hands. Next, grab yourself a gallon of milk or Oh, I can feel the can of corn. So he is rolling. He's sitting up. Nope. He's lifting up the Turkish kettlebell. Put out a, he's this thing with his arm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:41):
Not a Turkish

Leo Laporte (02:25:42):
Kettlebell. It's not. It's a, it's a Russian put.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:25:45):
It's just a kettlebell

Leo Laporte (02:25:45):
Man. It's a foot put kettlebell. Oh, look at that. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm already, my back is killing me. Just watching this John. And this is, this is all just functional movements that everyone should take into a effect. I should do that. Turkish get up. Yes. Can I wear a mustache? Doesn't cost you a thing. You don't have to have a whole bunch of expensive weight. I'm taking a pheasant, a mustache from my Turkish. Get up. <Laugh>. <laugh>. Which is why I had to clarify. That's a, that's actually a good move. And then you do it on the other side, I presume. Cuz otherwise you're Correct. Excited. Although, cause he was good. No, your hips it band your core, your back. You know, the good is, I think I,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:26):
And when you go down it's, it's, it's real important though when you do the, the flop down. Yeah. Coming down. You have to tighten your, hold your cord. Otherwise

Leo Laporte (02:26:37):
It's about

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:37):
The corn black out your lower black. Yep. Right. Or back.

Leo Laporte (02:26:39):
Yeah. Core is so important.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:41):
I'm watching him do it. I'm like, he's not, I can't hear him say it, but that's super important

Leo Laporte (02:26:45):
Right there. Yeah. Yep. So that was a YouTube video. But I think if you search for Turkish, get up on YouTube, Turkish get up, you'll either get a guy in a pheasant, a mustache or somebody lick. Oh,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:26:59):
That's what you get. You

Leo Laporte (02:27:00):
Get it, you get it. You gotta do whatever. The first thing you find is <laugh>. Very good one actually. That's a good, that's nice. I might do that tonight. Yeah. I won't be here next week. <Laugh>.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:14):
I don't have to use a weight.

Leo Laporte (02:27:16):
I can tell you right now, it's actually weight. You know what? I think it's easier with a weight cuz you can use it a little leverage for balance and balance. Balance to get you get you over. It's kinda harder without a weight i'd. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:27):
And if you can't get up on your own without like, pressing up for the floor, like if you can't get up without using your hands, you should work on that too. Oh, yep. That's

Leo Laporte (02:27:35):
Real good. Let's roll. You can't get up. You can say, okay, I can't get up. Trust me, I'm falling and I can't get up. Trust me, Stacy, when you get to my age. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:45):
I will be getting up still without using my hands. Really? Just by God.

Leo Laporte (02:27:49):
You think so? Wait till you're my age. And you, you I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:27:53):
Will train for that.

Leo Laporte (02:27:54):
Yeah. But I'm tell that's why I, I tried to preach pushups to people so much because it's, it's not as easy as one would change. Oh. I could get up on my get a pump the, but then I'm stuck. Here's my Turkish Get up. <Laugh>. Yes. What is that? <Laugh>? I dunno how your ski up the Discord found that so fast. But thank you. Is that it? Or do you anything else you you'd want to do there?

Ant Pruitt (02:28:25):
Oh. Yeah. I wanna say thank you to National Preps for just for being real getting a shout out. They are a recruiting service. Ah. and there's a lot of recruiting services out there and it's straight up money grab. I've seen them, they've tried to lure me in and I've told them no, there's a lot of politics involved. But this crew right here they're quite reputable. Oh good. My coaches from back east were spoke highly of them. One of their representatives is here in Sonoma County. Nice. And has reached out to me several times and he didn't try to sell me on anything and whatnot. And he actually tries to go, tried to go to extra mile for Hardhead because Hardhead whooped up on one of the teams he coaches for. So <laugh>.

Leo Laporte (02:29:13):
Oh, nice. So that's a good way to get me. I

Ant Pruitt (02:29:17):
Wanna try to help him out, you know, and I really appreciate them just being real.

Leo Laporte (02:29:21):
How is, how is Jacob's Quest going? I know he, I knew you were trying to get some scholarship money in a good school for him.

Ant Pruitt (02:29:27):
We're still waiting around. He had a really good week last week to help make a name for himself. Part of National Preps is they have showcases around the country throughout the season and we went to it as a quarterback in linebacker and which is usually

Leo Laporte (02:29:47):
Just, I'm gonna impress hell. I would like to see him do a Turkish get up now. <Laugh>. That is good man. He's got some

Ant Pruitt (02:29:54):
Linebacker drills there. Yeah. And see that's linebacker drills and he ended up getting the MVP for the linebacker there.

Leo Laporte (02:30:02):
Go for quarterback. That's where the money

Ant Pruitt (02:30:03):
Is. And so a lot of people gave him extra recognition for that. And I appreciate national preps for allowing the platform, if you will. But just a couple days before that, he ran in the N B L League track and field championships here and defended his title as the fastest kid in the league in the town. How does this hundred meter dash

Leo Laporte (02:30:24):
Kid not have a scholarship to the all the best university? He's country too. He's smart, he's handsome. He's an excellent athlete then. Yeah. He's straight A student.

Ant Pruitt (02:30:36):
Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:30:37):
Handsome. What? Oh,

Ant Pruitt (02:30:38):
He is got good Gene

Leo Laporte (02:30:40):
<Laugh>. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me just tell you. Miss, miss female Persuasion <laugh> on the right colleges, you know, they're trying to raise money with their athletic programs. They want some good looking people to go out. They do. And shake hands with the alum.

Ant Pruitt (02:30:58):
They do. It's a business.

Leo Laporte (02:31:00):
You don't want somebody looking like me going stars. Hey Mr. Alum, give me a hundred <laugh>. They want some Okay. Some lookers out there. Right. And by the way, he said Looker, not hooker just to be This is true. No, no, no. Jacob is handsome in a good way.

Ant Pruitt (02:31:16):
He is. He said

Leo Laporte (02:31:17):
He's no, he said no.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:31:20):
Is there, is there a way to be hand? You know what, I'm about to run outta battery on my headphones. I'm good. Okay. I'm not gonna ask these questions.

Leo Laporte (02:31:27):
Okay. There's no bad way to be handsome.

Ant Pruitt (02:31:30):
Well, there he did very well. He broke his, his school record last week and we're good running again this weekend. Weekend in the sectionals, the north coast sectionals this weekend. So I

Leo Laporte (02:31:41):
Am I am honest. I just don't, I don't get it. I mean, I, this guy should be snapped up. How do we help? I think so too. How can we help besides

Ant Pruitt (02:31:49):
Just keep telling people? Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:31:51):
Just <laugh> follow and

Ant Pruitt (02:31:53):
Just keep telling

Leo Laporte (02:31:53):
And underscore Pruit on Instagram and then share his videos. Let's get You're

Ant Pruitt (02:31:59):
For college. An

Leo Laporte (02:32:00):
Alum

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:01):
Of

Ant Pruitt (02:32:01):
A sports

Leo Laporte (02:32:02):
School out there. That's a good way to go. Use your cloud. Yeah. Call 'em. Would he be interested in Yale or maybe not

Ant Pruitt (02:32:11):
Actually. Yes.

Leo Laporte (02:32:12):
Okay. It's

Stacey Higginbotham (02:32:14):
Like he'll be interested in what I tell him he's interested in this.

Leo Laporte (02:32:17):
<Laugh> We,

Ant Pruitt (02:32:17):
We, we've discussed the Ivy League a couple of times because I think I'm

Leo Laporte (02:32:22):
Columbia. Columbia, Dartmouth and

Ant Pruitt (02:32:24):
Dartmouth reached out.

Leo Laporte (02:32:25):
Don't go to Dartmouth. It's freezing. Columbia would be great. <Laugh> be in a big apple. Be in my town. Yeah. Yeah. But Hanover in the winter. Who,

Ant Pruitt (02:32:35):
Yeah. I want no part of it, but hey, we have discussed it and he's, he's open to those

Leo Laporte (02:32:41):
Should he should. You know what this,

Ant Pruitt (02:32:42):
This about the big picture. It is. He, he's trying to get a job and

Leo Laporte (02:32:46):
He needs those schools. Get you good jobs. That's really true. Yeah. He could be a Supreme Court

Ant Pruitt (02:32:50):
Court. Take care of me and Queen Pruit.

Leo Laporte (02:32:52):
That's my thinking. <Laugh>. That's my retirement plan right there. All right, Anne. Hey. Great to see you. Join at tomorrow morning 9:00 AM Pacific noon Eastern. Yes. As he interviews Alex Wilhelm feed him some good questions.

Ant Pruitt (02:33:08):
Yep. 30 questions in the Discord. There's a thread there in the club tour events with Alex Wilhelm's name on it. Just pop your questions in there and we will go through a handful of them and have a good old hour tomorrow morning.

Leo Laporte (02:33:21):
He's you know, a financial wizard. You can ask about the recession. You can ask him why tech stocks and tech companies are plummeting. What's going on, why so many layoffs. Ask him about crypto. Ask him about NFTs.

Ant Pruitt (02:33:33):
Ask him about Has

Leo Laporte (02:33:34):
He's, he's has, what's that?

Ant Pruitt (02:33:38):
F1.

Leo Laporte (02:33:39):
Oh, he's an F1 fan. Oh, I didn't know that. <Laugh>. Yeah. Ask him who his favorite driver is. Vao [inaudible] yeah. Yeah. Just all of that stuff. That'll, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I love Alex. And do ask him what it's like to live in Leo's childhood home, cuz it's gotta be a thrill for him. Right. How did you find that out? He's at the

Ant Pruitt (02:34:02):
Time he was really awkward.

Leo Laporte (02:34:03):
<Laugh> girlfriend at the time. We were doing the new screensavers. Alex was on the show and his girlfriend Liza was studying medicine at brown. And I said, oh yeah, I grew up in Providence. She said, oh yeah, that's cool. So did I, my my, my family's from there. And I said, oh, oh, that's cool. What street? And she told me the street and I said, oh, that's the same street as me, <laugh>. It was very, what house were you in? She told me the number. I said, that's my house. And then she said, well here's the funny thing. We're living there now cuz my parents bought it and gave it to us and we're living there. And yeah, I went over, I visited them last summer and saw the house.

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:47):
Did you find the little marks where little Dio was growing up on the closet door?

Leo Laporte (02:34:51):
Oh, I didn't look for that. They pretty much fixed it up, so I doubt those are there. But I took a look for that. You're

Jeff Jarvis (02:34:57):
Right. Was it freaky to go into a house of your childhood?

Leo Laporte (02:35:00):
It was nostalgic. Yeah. they've made it very nice. They've, they've fixed some stuff, but I went into the little side room off the kitchen. I said, oh yeah, that's where I watched the Apollo landing on the moon in 1969. And I have a picture of me as a cub scat with my doing the Cub Scout salute from in that very spot. And then we went up and looked at my room and they had changed enough so that it wasn't too freaky. It wasn't like, wow, you know, Ebenezer Scrooge going back in time. Right. But it's, yeah, it was good. I was really happy to see it. It was very cool. And I love them and his wife lies and they just had a baby and they are wonderful people. They are two of my favorite people in the world. So I, I feel like the vibes are good there. I'm very happy about that. Except for the 15 dogs they have. Oh boy. I can ask 'em about that.

Ant Pruitt (02:35:49):
I didn't know about that. Okay. Yeah, they're

Leo Laporte (02:35:51):
Not 15, but they sound like there's 15 of them. <Laugh>.

Ant Pruitt (02:35:55):
I'll throw that question in there for myself. Hold on. I mean,

Leo Laporte (02:35:59):
Dogs. Yeah. He, he does all of his stuff out. They built a little in the backyard where I used to, it was so funny cuz he's right next to this giant oak tree, this giant pin oak. And I said my dad planted that when we moved into that house. And I sent him a picture of my dad digging the hole and putting this little tiny tree in there. And then I sent my dad the picture of the tree. Now talk about immortality. It's, it's like a 80 feet tall. It's huge. And we planted that back in, it must have been 1966, something like that.

Ant Pruitt (02:36:31):
Wow. So that's pretty cool. You know, I go and see my mother, but the last time seeing my mother, it, it's, it's still cool to me because her house hasn't changed. Very. Is

Leo Laporte (02:36:40):
That the house you grew up in?

Ant Pruitt (02:36:42):
Yeah, it's the house I grew up in. Wow. And she has, has one addition on her bedroom, basically just expanded her bedroom. But the rest of the house is the same, other than my bedroom is now her office. Oh. But everything else is exactly the

Leo Laporte (02:36:55):
Same. Yeah. See, I was kind of deprived of that. Lisa's parents are still here. The house she grew up in is they still live in it. There's something about that that's kind of neat. Gives you roots.

Ant Pruitt (02:37:05):
Mm-Hmm.

Jeff Jarvis (02:37:05):
<Affirmative>. Yeah. My, my father, by the time he died, I think he moved 27 times. Yeah.

Leo Laporte (02:37:09):
That's more my life story.

Jeff Jarvis (02:37:10):
I went to four high schools in three states. Four elementary schools in three states.

Leo Laporte (02:37:13):
Yeah. Yeah. That. My is Jeff Jarvis, the director of the Town Night Center for Entrepreneurial Journalism at the Craig Newmark Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at the City University of New York. He's on Mastodon at Jeff Jarvis and he's of course the author of a brand new book coming out in June called The Gutenberg Parenthesis. You can find out about it and even pre-order it@gutenbergparenthesis.com. Thank you Jeff. Thank you boss. And I don't know why I did you twice today. I know. Thank you for being here this morning's. Right. We spent a long time together's fun. And I, I'm sorry, I should really get rid of Stacey fast first. Instead I drank it out. <Laugh>. She had, I

Stacey Higginbotham (02:37:59):
Thought you were just gonna stop that sash. Just gonna get rid of Stacy.

Leo Laporte (02:38:03):
Long, long, boring conversation. The kid waiting. It's like the, the, the school day is almost, it's three minutes. Can I go now? The clock move so slowly. Doesn't it? At the end of This Week in Google, Stacy,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:38:17):
It, it moves the same, but it's just so long. <Laugh>. This started to end the show at 5 0 9 It'ss 5 22. I know.

Leo Laporte (02:38:27):
I'm so sorry. I apologize. My bad's.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:38:29):
Oh no. I actually wanted to know how you found out that someone was living in your house. Wild. Cause that

Leo Laporte (02:38:33):
Seemed kind weird. That was really weird. Yeah. Stacy is of course, at Stacy on iott.com. That's her website. The IOT podcast she does with Kevin Tofu is there, comes out every Wednesday at Gigas. Stacy. Thursday. Thursday, sorry. They record on Wednesday and released on Thursday at Giga sta on the Twitter. Anything else you want to plug? Do you have an event coming up? Are you going to give a lecture somewhere? Is your new novel out? Did you write a book

Stacey Higginbotham (02:39:03):
Now? I feel like an underachiever. I'm like the book

Leo Laporte (02:39:06):
About the, about the 12 feces on Luther hammering up on the, I don't know. No, you're like, yeah. No, no,

Stacey Higginbotham (02:39:16):
No, no. I haven't done any of those

Leo Laporte (02:39:18):
Things. I don't even have any pictures in my house. I just I just here <laugh>. Yeah.

Stacey Higginbotham (02:39:22):
Yeah. I got nothing. You got nothing. Nothing for you.

Leo Laporte (02:39:24):
We love you Stacy. Thank you for being here. Thank you all for joining us. We do TWiG every Wednesday at 2:00 PM normally at 2:00 PM Pacific, 5:00 PM Eastern, 2100 utc. There's a live audio and video stream all the time at twit.tv/live. And if you go there when a show's being recorded, you get to watch it happen live. And if you're doing that, you might as well chat with us at irc dot twit tv. That's open to all Club Twit members of course have the, the champagne room. You can go to the Discord and chat with us there. We also have on demand versions of the show available on our website, TWIT tv slash TWiG. If you go there, you'll see a link to the YouTube channel dedicated to This Week in Google. And you'll see the podcast players and you can click one of those links and, and add us to your subscriptions if you would. That way you'll get it automatically. Thank you everybody. I appreciate it. We will see you next time. Don't forget tomorrow with Alex Wilhelm Sunday for Ask the Tech Guys and of course, follow that TWIT News feed for the very interesting interviews they just completed at Google for more Google. We'll see you next time. Bye-Bye.

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