Windows Weekly Episode 797 Transcript
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Leo Laporte (00:00:00):
It's time for Windows Weekly. Paul Thrass here. Mary Jo Foley's here. More Windows 1122 H two. Deployment drama for you. Microsoft Edge 1 0 6. Now out Vivaldi 5.5. We also have the Ignite Session Catalog. And there's some interesting sessions. We'll talk about that in a whole lot more. Next on Windows Weekly podcasts you love
Mary Jo Foley (00:00:25):
From people you trust. This is true.
Leo Laporte (00:00:35):
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Mary Jo Foley (00:02:22):
<Laugh>,
Paul Thurrott (00:02:23):
You're like the guys that paint the street lines in my neighborhood. Like one side is like two thirds the, the width
Mary Jo Foley (00:02:29):
<Laugh>.
Leo Laporte (00:02:31):
I'll have to work on that. Nice. And
Mary Jo Foley (00:02:33):
I, I think it's fine. It's
Leo Laporte (00:02:34):
Fine. It's perfect. Mary Jo, stretch out. We can't even see Paul's left shoulder. Mary Jo, you've got all the room in the world. Just enjoy. I
Mary Jo Foley (00:02:44):
Enjoyed by 600 square feet right now.
Leo Laporte (00:02:46):
It's just proven my point. Hey, Windows 22 H two. How's it been? Fun. How's it going? It's going great. How's the world like it?
Paul Thurrott (00:02:59):
I love it. They're noticing all the major differences.
Mary Jo Foley (00:03:03):
<Laugh> are, they
Leo Laporte (00:03:04):
Don't make me to that. What of those <laugh>? You silly. Boy,
Paul Thurrott (00:03:11):
I think it's going okay. I mean, in the sense that I'm not hearing a lot of problems and a lot of the same problems. The biggest problem may be being I can't regret it. Yeah. Right.
Leo Laporte (00:03:21):
Who's getting it these days?
Mary Jo Foley (00:03:24):
Well, who's getting it? Well, up until yesterday. Seekers, right? Yeah. Were getting it. Yeah. But
Paul Thurrott (00:03:31):
Now I well, but not all of them. Right. Based on some
Leo Laporte (00:03:33):
Of the same, not all of them hardware, competi, some of the seekers. What percentage would your guests be?
Paul Thurrott (00:03:40):
Very small,
Leo Laporte (00:03:41):
Tiny.
Mary Jo Foley (00:03:41):
It's hard. You know, it's hard to tell because the squeaky wheels get the grease. Right. Right. So we hear from all the people like, I can't get it. I wanna get it. Why can't I get it? So I don't have a good sense of,
Leo Laporte (00:03:52):
You know, when Elon Musk go's TWiTtter, this is all gonna be over.
Mary Jo Foley (00:03:55):
Yeah. It'll all be moot. Just
Leo Laporte (00:03:57):
Just tweet it. Tweet it. Yeah. It says it's, it, it being Microsoft says it's speeding up the delivery. It's
Paul Thurrott (00:04:08):
Speeding up. Yeah. So in their usual ous way, Microsoft yesterday revealed via a support document that they were speeding up the deployment of Windows 11, version 22 H two.
Paul Thurrott (00:04:25):
And you know, this is this is one of those things where they talk about how transparent they're, but we literally have no idea what the even means. I mean, so there, there's, you know, they're, they're increasing the rollout to more machines. Obviously. It sort of begs the question that I know Well, begs a question for me, which is that you, you said Microsoft that if I don't get it, I can go to a site and see why I'm not getting it. But that suggests that there are some people just aren't getting it, you know? Yeah. That, you know, So in fact, it says it explicitly, we are increasing the availability. All who check for updates on eligible Windows devices. Right. Obviously, if we detect that your device has an issue we went safeguard hold in place. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. So this suggests that last week that you had an eligible Windows device, which is such a terrible term, a supported Windows 10 or Windows 11 PC checked new. Could you have qualified for this update? But not and, but not have, not even though you were a seeker. That's
Mary Jo Foley (00:05:26):
Crazy. Yep. No, those, those are the people I'm hearing from those ones. Yeah. Who are like, I checked for it. I have 20, I have the original Windows 11, so I think my PC qualifies. Right. But why can't I get it? Yeah. Why can't I get 20?
Paul Thurrott (00:05:39):
So here's, here's a, here's a tip for people out. It, because Windows update is not communicating effectively what's happening, right? This is something that should be happening. It should say, Here's Windows 1122 H two, if that's what you want, or this is why you're not getting it. And you click a link and you can actually see a list of the safeguard, right? That's how the system's supposed to work. That's not happening, right? So you go to Windows, update check for updates, nothing comes up. Here's the tip. And the tip would help if I knew the name of the thing the win <laugh>. Jeez. Windows 10. The Windows 10. It's like the installation. Let me just find the exact I want, I don't wanna screw this up.
Mary Jo Foley (00:06:15):
Go back. Do you mean the intelligent upgrade assistant thing? Is that what you
Paul Thurrott (00:06:18):
Mean? Yeah, probably Intel intelligent upgrade assistant. Yeah. So if you, the idea here is you go through this process. It, unfortunately, if you get blocked, takes a long time for it to happen. But the point of this is this will let you know if you have a safeguard hold. So if you try to upgrade this way, rather than downloading the ISO and just kind of forcing it, because that will always work. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> use that upgrade assistant, whatever, eventually the site will come up and I'll give you the exact name. But what it will do is download the update, then check your system. It's crazy. It does it in the wrong order, but it, if you have a safeguard hold, it will literally tell you and it will literally prevent you from getting it via the, that me that means. So that's kind of an interesting thing because we thought they should be telling you this information. It's not, But for now, you can find out via this tool here.
Mary Jo Foley (00:07:08):
Does it tell you the name of the blocker or a blocker number? No,
Paul Thurrott (00:07:12):
No, no. Because it's the same. No, it's the same back end, right? So, Yeah, no, it does not. You can use the, I forget the name of everything today. Sorry. The, the PC Health Check app will tell you if your system meets the requirements, Right? So if you're in Windows 11, version 1 21 H two, obviously you meet the requirements, right? But if you're in Windows 10, that might still be useful. The site is literally not coming up. I have no idea why I can't make this site.
Mary Jo Foley (00:07:39):
Well, I'll fill in some words while you're looking
Paul Thurrott (00:07:41):
Windows. Sorry to say it real quick. Windows 11, installation assistant is the name of the
Mary Jo Foley (00:07:46):
Installation assistant. Okay. No intelligence. So if you installation assistant
Paul Thurrott (00:07:49):
Search for download Windows 11, it's the top link on the page that eventually comes up. It's, it's a wizard based application. Very simple, very useful if you want it, and they're kind of curious why you're not getting it.
Mary Jo Foley (00:08:02):
Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:08:02):
Okay. Sorry about that.
Mary Jo Foley (00:08:04):
No, that's okay. So I, I started hearing from people who said there were other safeguard holds that weren't so on, on the Microsoft release information page, they list blockers, some of which are safeguard holds, some of which are not. Right. So we are all, we talked last week about the printer thing where and some installed printers might only allow default settings. We know about the Intel Smart Sound Technology driver block. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. There's a group policy preferences might not work as expected one. And then there's an error message that means security update for Secure Boot DBX might fail to install. So those are the four that are listed on Microsoft's page, but they're Okay. A lot more like hundreds more than that. Right. And they're not listed Yeah. Anywhere on Microsoft's security page. So I found a couple of interesting places you can go look to try to find out if you wanna know, why am I blocked, right? So I'm gonna have to say this on the air. I hope it's okay. Cuz one of these scripts has a funny name. It's called f u dot. Why am I blocked stands for Felix. Why am I blocked Felix? Felix Hunger. Why am I blocked? It's a PowerShell script that Adam Gross, who is a Microsoft MVP created <laugh>. It's who was a Microsoft <laugh> who wast Yeah. Who was an MVP until today when I read the name of a script on the year, I'm
Paul Thurrott (00:09:27):
Happy.
Mary Jo Foley (00:09:28):
So this can
Paul Thurrott (00:09:30):
Should be happening automatically, right? I mean, yes,
Mary Jo Foley (00:09:33):
However
Paul Thurrott (00:09:33):
You want anyone listening to winner's update get it or find out why they're not getting it. That's Yeah. How the system's supposed to work,
Mary Jo Foley (00:09:39):
Right? So this guy created the script and you can run it and it will show you a list of possible or likely holds on your machine as to why you won't get it. There's another person whose name is Gary Block p l o k. He has a website called gary town.com. He's actually crowdsourcing a database of blocks that are on Windows 1122 H two. He's got like a hundred of them so far in this database that he's built. So people are kind of like taking matters into their own hands because for whatever reason Microsoft does not detail why a lot of machines are blocked. And people want to know, they're like, Why am I
Paul Thurrott (00:10:20):
Blocked? Information is out there and publicly available.
Mary Jo Foley (00:10:24):
Yeah. Yeah. Like
Paul Thurrott (00:10:25):
I, I've had very poor results of this. I've, I've not checked since Microsoft, you know, changed the update availability. But the two times that I've been able to get through to that, that they actually provided a more learn more link, which is supposed to be specific to your computer. Yeah. It said, Sorry, there's nothing here. Prime and Planner.
Mary Jo Foley (00:10:42):
Yep. Yep. But I think, I think these are interesting. I forget which one of the two of those guys said they had over a thousand machines. They're, they're both it admins over a thousand machines and his org were blocked. And he's like, I wanna know why. So they've been working on, that's reason I'm finding out, right? <Laugh>, that's, I wanna install this <laugh>
Paul Thurrott (00:11:04):
The machine that surprises me, I'm not getting this on is the, it it just came out, it's an h HP Elite Dragon Flag G three. Yeah. You know, super modern components, all that kind of stuff. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, I keep checking, I keep checking, I keep checking through HP support assistant app to get updates there. I I literally removed a printer from it, from just from IT knowing about it to see if that did it. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, I got an Intel hip set date through the support app and I thought maybe, maybe this is it, you know, And no. So do we know what the reasons tend to be? Do we have any,
Mary Jo Foley (00:11:38):
Well, here's the one, the device guard one, it seems to be coming up a lot, right? So Device Guard installed on certain processors like Tiger Lake, Alder Lake, and Ice Lake, the client Ice Lake. You get a message saying Secure launch data not migrated. That seems to be coming up for a number of people when they're doing these tests. Data
Paul Thurrott (00:12:00):
Not
Mary Jo Foley (00:12:01):
Migrated, it seems like device guard in combination with certain processors, like you have to go in and manually turn it off to get it to install, which seems a little iffy and risky. Right? <laugh>, I'm like, why is that happening? So Microsoft knows this is happening. I asked them about it and they said, Yeah, we know it's happening and we're working on it, but we don't have a timeframe when we think that'll be fixed.
Paul Thurrott (00:12:24):
So turn off all the security and then you'll be able to get the update we're trying to send you from the internet. Is that what that's the
Mary Jo Foley (00:12:29):
Thing. Yeah. I know. It seems risky, right? <Laugh>
Paul Thurrott (00:12:31):
Just to take it on your firewall.
Mary Jo Foley (00:12:34):
<Laugh>
Paul Thurrott (00:12:35):
Look, this file, it's a, it's a, it's a VBS file. Don't worry about it.
Mary Jo Foley (00:12:38):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I I also would like to point out that this update is only half done, right? Like Microsoft is gonna give you part two of Windows 1122 H two starting an October and into November. So I, I'm kind of surprised how many companies are actually interested in upgrading at this point. Because you're gonna get, you're gonna get Windows 1122 H two as it went out two weeks ago. But a lot of the features that you want, especially things like Tabbed File Explorer and possibly intelligent suggestions, those aren't coming until this minor update to Windows 1122 H two late starting this month and into next month. So I'm, I'm a little bit surprised. Some IT company, IT organizations are ready to upgrade now. I think if I were them, I might wait till part two is ready.
Paul Thurrott (00:13:35):
Yeah. I mean, I, I think at the end of the day and the end of the day, meaning after that October update is installed, Yeah. The only, well, everyone's knees are different, but I think the file explorer thing with the tabs and the SNAP layouts each error. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> are the two big things happening in 20 TWiTs too,
Mary Jo Foley (00:13:53):
Right? Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:13:54):
So one is available now and the other what's available in the October update whenever that happens. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Why not to wait,
Mary Jo Foley (00:14:02):
I don't know. Maybe they wanna test it on a bunch of their machines before they widely deploy it or something. I'm not sure, but yeah. Hmm. It seems, it seems like the people who are getting it aren't really having a ton of problems. Although there is one that we're gonna talk about in a bit that just came up recently. I'm sure there are more than that one. But mostly I'm hearing positive experiences and on the machine, I put it on my Surface laptop three, so far so good. Seems to be working right?
Paul Thurrott (00:14:31):
Yeah. I mean I, I've, I've literally been using this thing since July, right? I've, yeah. Really haven't had any issues. I, I installed a KB that it's some of the October updates features in there because I'm, you know, writing a book and I want to be able to document them. Yeah. And I've actually had some issues with File Explorer because of that, but I don't think that's an issue in the mainstream builds anymore. Like I'm, I'm just on a, I I'm literally on something from July for the most part. So
Leo Laporte (00:15:00):
I think that's when I put it on this Dell XPS 15, the 12th agenda. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. The only issue, and I've mentioned it a couple of times, is sometimes waking from sleep. I get a green screen. I the one the 22 H two beta, right?
Paul Thurrott (00:15:14):
Beta is green screen. Green
Leo Laporte (00:15:15):
Screen, Yeah. So maybe when,
Paul Thurrott (00:15:17):
Like, you'll know when you're unstable when it's
Leo Laporte (00:15:19):
Blue, it'll be blue when it crashes. So <laugh>, that'll be nice. Something to look forward to.
Paul Thurrott (00:15:24):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:15:25):
Something. So waking from sleep, I think for some reason, I don't know. I just know what's funny. I just closed the lid when I'm done with the day, so I don't do anything special. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (00:15:34):
You know, it's funny, that's what I used to do on the surface laptop three, right before I installed 22 H two, I started having all these problems with sleep. Like it was like draining my battery. It wasn't going to sleep. Ever since I put 22 H two on it, it's work. Sleep is working correctly. So
Leo Laporte (00:15:48):
Maybe the green screen is working correctly then, I don't know. Yeah. It's doing what it's supposed to do. I
Paul Thurrott (00:15:53):
Don't think so. <Laugh>? I don't think so. It
Leo Laporte (00:15:54):
Usually is a fairly long recovery process. It says, Okay, we're gonna save some data. Okay, now we're gonna reboot and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. so it's a weird, it's a weird error. Didn't happen today.
Mary Jo Foley (00:16:07):
That's good.
Leo Laporte (00:16:09):
When does, is the window closed? Is it closing <laugh>?
Paul Thurrott (00:16:13):
I mean, technically they should have closed you. You're asking, you're wondering why you haven't already been pushed at the table?
Leo Laporte (00:16:18):
I might have. I don't know. That's, I'm, I'm gonna have to, Yeah, let me just check my Windows updates and see. It
Paul Thurrott (00:16:24):
Seems like that should have happened the day this thing came up.
Leo Laporte (00:16:26):
Seems like could have. That's why I was,
Paul Thurrott (00:16:30):
This is, this is how them not communicating effectively gets in the way of everything. What other possibility is that is tied to your particular machine that maybe Dell Xbs 15 is not being offered this update yet because of one of those weird driver things. And maybe that's tied to your blue screen, you know, your green screen. Maybe when, once that does happen that then you'll be pushed out
Leo Laporte (00:16:53):
To stable. I'm still I'm cued for, is what they call it. I'm, I'm cued up for un enrollment
Paul Thurrott (00:17:00):
<Laugh>. Yep.
Leo Laporte (00:17:02):
Yep.
Mary Jo Foley (00:17:02):
So but we don't know when that magic day is. Right? Like they haven't said yet when that is,
Leo Laporte (00:17:07):
And I ain't gonna do the, a week ago immediate thing two weeks ago to stop getting insert a preview builds on this device. You need to clean install the latest release. Ain't gonna do that.
Mary Jo Foley (00:17:16):
Right?
Leo Laporte (00:17:16):
Yeah. Do I ha it's so confusing. What's this orange thing? Your device is set up to get insider preview builds.
Mary Jo Foley (00:17:23):
Yeah,
Leo Laporte (00:17:24):
But once I call,
Mary Jo Foley (00:17:25):
They haven't said the magic window date yet. Right? They haven't said that, have they? They
Paul Thurrott (00:17:29):
Don't really, They sometimes don't, you
Leo Laporte (00:17:31):
Know. Yeah, Right. It just happens. And we all know
Mary Jo Foley (00:17:35):
<Laugh>, the magic happens
Leo Laporte (00:17:37):
If I leave the insider program. Would that, would that be good to do?
Paul Thurrott (00:17:42):
I mean, you can't, You're,
Leo Laporte (00:17:44):
You can't. I'm cured. You're doing, I'm cued for doing
Paul Thurrott (00:17:46):
You're doing what you're, you can do.
Leo Laporte (00:17:47):
Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:17:48):
Unless you wanna wipe
Leo Laporte (00:17:49):
The whole, it says for furthermore, it says, I'm not enrolled as one anyway. So screw you. You cannot enroll something you're not enrolled in. I
Paul Thurrott (00:17:56):
Knowing the way things have been going lately, this could be a weird bug, you know? And I feel like this should have already happened.
Leo Laporte (00:18:04):
I'm just looking.
Mary Jo Foley (00:18:04):
I feel like it should
Leo Laporte (00:18:05):
Have, This is my Microsoft account over here. Yep. If I click leave the Insider program, it says they're gonna tell you how you can email address is not registered to a Windows Insider. So maybe it's cuz I've queued for un enrollment. They know. They just know I'm queued and I, and I
Paul Thurrott (00:18:24):
Already email address. This is, they're not talking about your computer. Maybe you're assigned it, maybe.
Leo Laporte (00:18:29):
No, I remember I my showed you I'm well. Oh, you mean on the on the browser?
Paul Thurrott (00:18:33):
Yeah, on the web browser. It says right up the top right of the web.
Leo Laporte (00:18:37):
Yeah, no, that's the right account. We'll reported Outlook down com. Yeah. By the way, I already have the Bing wallpaper app, but thanks for asking me to download it again. Sure. That's an ad, isn't it? I think that's an ad. I'll just say no thanks. At least it didn't ask. Oh, no,
Paul Thurrott (00:18:53):
That's a suggestion's.
Leo Laporte (00:18:54):
A it's not an ad
Paul Thurrott (00:18:56):
Learn Microsoft Speak. It's the language that makes everything they're doing look better.
Leo Laporte (00:19:00):
It's a suggestion. And I'm a suggestible fella as Instagram knows. Well, all right, well, I'll just be patient. I'm not, you know, I'm good.
Paul Thurrott (00:19:10):
Actually, I think it's weird. I don't know.
Leo Laporte (00:19:12):
I love this f why am I blocked <laugh>
Mary Jo Foley (00:19:15):
<Laugh>.
Leo Laporte (00:19:16):
That's that's, that's a kind of a funny
Paul Thurrott (00:19:19):
That's a, that's another person crying out for what we keep talking about, which is why are you not communicating effectively? Yeah. Literally.
Mary Jo Foley (00:19:26):
You know, it's funny. So when I, when I posted a story about all this, a person from Microsoft to work, I think in the developer division came on and said, Why can't we do this? I work for Microsoft. I wanna know why we can't publish this. <Laugh>. Like, Yeah. Well, they can't think people wanna know somewhere.
Paul Thurrott (00:19:42):
This guy got to the information
Mary Jo Foley (00:19:44):
<Laugh>. Yeah, that's,
Paul Thurrott (00:19:45):
That's kind of my point. You know, you're telling me that this PowerShell script can do this, but Windows update can't.
Leo Laporte (00:19:50):
Yeah. It's kinda don't understand that. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:19:53):
That's literally how it's supposed
Leo Laporte (00:19:55):
To work. Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (00:19:56):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:19:58):
I dunno, Maybe they don't have Python in the Redmond.
Paul Thurrott (00:20:01):
Something I looking like these days.
Leo Laporte (00:20:03):
<Laugh>,
Mary Jo Foley (00:20:04):
You know, maybe it's cuz things aren't verified. Like, like they don't feel like it's a complete verification that these things don't work. I don't know. Or they don't wanna provide a timeframe for when they can fix it. And
Paul Thurrott (00:20:17):
We were told very explicitly that they would, they would continue their policy under transparency.
Mary Jo Foley (00:20:23):
Yeah. Remember? I know.
Paul Thurrott (00:20:25):
Yeah. They're so proud of themselves. Yeah. Has anyone,
Mary Jo Foley (00:20:29):
You know what, I will say they've gotten more transparent about this than before
Paul Thurrott (00:20:34):
<Laugh> have they? I would like to hear from anyone who has gone to Windows update searched for this update and told they can't get it. Clicked on more, learn more and actually gotten a reason why. I'd love to hear from that one human being. You're out there.
Mary Jo Foley (00:20:47):
Yeah. But I feel, I feel like general I'll through
Paul Thurrott (00:20:48):
Please email me. Wanna
Mary Jo Foley (00:20:50):
See this in general, They're getting better about telling us something. Like, I, I feel like before, like maybe, maybe like with Windows, he, we got like nothing. They're, I don't even think they had these release information pages did they? Until later along the curve and stuff. So
Paul Thurrott (00:21:05):
No, I'm just, I okay. But I
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:07):
Don't know.
Paul Thurrott (00:21:08):
I'd like to,
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:09):
I'm trying to encourage them. Paul,
Paul Thurrott (00:21:10):
I've never heard from anyone using Honey. The information
Leo Laporte (00:21:13):
<Laugh>.
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:14):
I'm using Honey not vinegar here. I want them to be more transparent.
Leo Laporte (00:21:17):
Oh, you don't mean the you don't mean the Edge plugin, Browser plugin, honey. No,
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:21):
No, I
Leo Laporte (00:21:21):
Do not. You mean the sweet, sweet stuff that comes from bees?
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:25):
I do,
Leo Laporte (00:21:25):
Yes.
Paul Thurrott (00:21:28):
Well,
Leo Laporte (00:21:28):
As Alexis, he and pointed out, it's free to raise your own honey <laugh>. Right. Course if you're married to Serena Williams, you probably don't care if it's free or not, but
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:38):
Exactly. <Laugh>.
Leo Laporte (00:21:39):
Do you think he's got honey on his penthouse roof there? You know, just honeybees gathering, gathering palm. I hope God <laugh> I hope not to.
Paul Thurrott (00:21:48):
<Laugh>, have you ever been around honeybees?
Leo Laporte (00:21:50):
Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (00:21:51):
Seems a little risky. I
Leo Laporte (00:21:52):
Don't,
Paul Thurrott (00:21:52):
There's a reason people wear suits.
Leo Laporte (00:21:56):
Yeah. Okay, okay. Okay. One of the reasons you can't get Windows 22 H two is featured in the in the head image of our that's right of our notes today. <Laugh>. We now know the reason.
Paul Thurrott (00:22:11):
That's what took me so long to figure out. I'm like, what is, what am I looking at? Why are you looking at the credit or interested in cont?
Leo Laporte (00:22:17):
Did you get that from Unsplash or is that your own image? Or
Mary Jo Foley (00:22:20):
I get my own image on this.
Leo Laporte (00:22:21):
Nice. Very nice Mary Jo showing the creativity, showing the spark
Paul Thurrott (00:22:27):
<Laugh>. Well, what happened to me was I tried to upload an image one time and it's like, Hey, you gotta pay for this now. And I'm like, you know what? I'm done with the images. I think that
Leo Laporte (00:22:34):
That <laugh> Do you pay for Notion Mary
Mary Jo Foley (00:22:37):
Jo? No, no. I do.
Leo Laporte (00:22:39):
I could. I I do. You
Mary Jo Foley (00:22:40):
Do?
Leo Laporte (00:22:41):
Oh yeah, yeah. I could give you images anytime. Just tell
Mary Jo Foley (00:22:43):
Me <laugh>. No, it just lets me, lets me up you know, upload images for free and icons as well. Even customized icons.
Leo Laporte (00:22:51):
It's 48 bucks a year, Paul,
Paul Thurrott (00:22:55):
You know, we'll talk about death by subscription that someday soon. That's
Leo Laporte (00:22:58):
True. Yeah. That's a true, that's a true one. Yeah. And I'm suffering it right now, so why can't we get it? Printers?
Mary Jo Foley (00:23:08):
Yeah, the printer thing.
Leo Laporte (00:23:09):
Printers. What's going on with printers?
Mary Jo Foley (00:23:12):
Yeah. This is
Paul Thurrott (00:23:13):
Kind of D Leo apparently Explanation
Mary Jo Foley (00:23:16):
<Laugh>
Paul Thurrott (00:23:17):
Mike. Well, this, I think this is the one issue Microsoft has publicly acknowledged that yeah, there is a class of printers that use certain drivers that there is causing a problem with the update. So they put a compatibility hold or whatever, safeguard hold if you have what it needs installed, you know, attached. It's not even attached to the computer. Most of these are probably network attached. I I literally tried to get around this by uninstalling the printer that is on all of my computers just to see, you know, maybe this will do something, maybe printer we're using is in this list and
Leo Laporte (00:23:51):
Do a thing
Paul Thurrott (00:23:52):
<Laugh>. So,
Leo Laporte (00:23:52):
So should you just, if you just disconnected your printers and uninstalled the drivers and then tried, maybe
Paul Thurrott (00:23:58):
Well that's what I'm, I, I don't know cuz I tried that and it didn't work. Didn't work. I might not have the printer that's impacted by this. So that might not have been test
Mary Jo Foley (00:24:06):
On my, So if you go, if you go to the release information site for Microsoft, they have a workaround that they suggest. But they say
Leo Laporte (00:24:16):
<Laugh>,
Mary Jo Foley (00:24:17):
It is not, it is not. But they say any user's affected by the printer hole should not attempt to manually upgrade using the Optout update now button or the media creation tool till we get the safeguard hold removed.
Paul Thurrott (00:24:29):
Oh, that's interesting. So to be clear, what they, they're sort of implicitly acknowledging is what I've been saying for the past couple weeks, which is that you could force this if you use the iso, which is what those tools
Leo Laporte (00:24:40):
Get.
Paul Thurrott (00:24:41):
Yeah. Right. Honestly, I don't think this is a big, big deal for most people, but people listening to this, if they want it, you probably got it already. You walked, you worked around it, even, it may not even known you've been working around it, you're probably fine. Mainstream people, the people listen to Leo show should never do anything like that. But that upgrade assistant is kind of an interesting tool. Like I said, it takes way too long to get to this point, but it will tell you if you have a safeguard hold won't tell you what it is, It will tell you that you have one. And that's kind of an interesting way is if someone is a little meek or not technical or whatever, doesn't, isn't really sure of this, even though I honestly don't think it's a big deal. Right. That's the, the sign. Maybe it's time to stop trying
Leo Laporte (00:25:21):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>
Paul Thurrott (00:25:23):
I I, this particular issue, for example, with printers, if you had, if you had a printer that was impacted by this, you would block from the upgrade assistance.
Leo Laporte (00:25:33):
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.
Mary Jo Foley (00:25:37):
I say everyone be patient. Wait for the November update. Cuz yeah, that's all you, you want that anyway. And by then the hopefully a number of these safeguard holds have begun.
Paul Thurrott (00:25:49):
The problem is your impatience.
Leo Laporte (00:25:51):
Yeah, it is actually. Yeah. Truthfully, it really is.
Mary Jo Foley (00:25:54):
But you know what, if there were a lot of good features in this and you were like dying for something, then I'd say, Yeah, I see why everyone's check at the bit to do this, but
Leo Laporte (00:26:01):
There's not come on. Right. Yeah,
Mary Jo Foley (00:26:02):
There's not Right
Leo Laporte (00:26:04):
<Laugh> you won't even notice the difference. I
Mary Jo Foley (00:26:06):
Don't, I didn't, when I finished up installing, I'm like, I don't see anything. Like I know there are a couple small things like the, there's a word, the word focus shows up in the notification center now. Like Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:26:17):
Right. Okay. There's a goofy stuff. Yeah. There are all small. I I will say, because some of the computers I have now still have the original version of Windows 11. Mm.
Leo Laporte (00:26:27):
That might be
Paul Thurrott (00:26:27):
Bigger. At first you don't notice. You, you might not notice. Yeah. But then you go to look for something in particular like, wait, wait, wait, what's going on here? One goofy condition you can get into with the original version of Windows 11 is when you first move into the system, you have like a little half moon, like crescent moon icon, and that's indicating that you're in focus mode or whatever, you know, please assist or whatever it is. If there are no notifications, you, it's not obvious how you get rid of that thing because you click on the date and time display and normally notifications and calendar come up. And if there are notifications, like if you clear them mm-hmm. <Affirmative> in the original version of Windows 11, the notification pain disappears and that's where the button is to turn that thing off. So you can actually go into the settings app and turn it off.
Paul Thurrott (00:27:10):
But I don't know how you would know that. So in Windows 1122 H two, they've changed the name of the feature a little bit. It's called, well now it's Do Not Disturb. And then there's a mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, I guess it's called Focus or it's assist or whatever. The, the buttons for those things will always be available if you click the date and time display. So if you have no notifications in 22 H two, you still get a notifications pain mm-hmm. <Affirmative> And it still has a toggle for Do Not Disturb, which is what that features been renamed to. Yeah. so if this kind of a weird thing. It's like you, you get into a position where you can, like you can see her in focus mode. It, it tells you you're in focus mode. You can't get out of it <laugh>. I mean you can, but you, it's just not obvious how Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:27:52):
There's a similar problem in the opposite direction with the new File Explorer. If you customize the home display, which is like the quick access favorites and recents bit, if you get rid of some of those special folders in Quick Access, you actually lose access to them in File Explorer. You can go into the file system and find them. But you, they used to always be available there in the main view. And now they're just, they're gone. Like, you actually can't get to them. So if you go to this PC in Windows 10, or the first version of Windows 11, you'll see those special folders above your drives. Those are gone now in 22 H two. So, you know, there, there are folders like I go to only occasionally like pictures because of the screenshots. I unpin that from Quick Access and now I can't get to it very easily.
Paul Thurrott (00:28:37):
I can't cause I mean, or a book about Windows 11 and I can figure it out. But I'm saying, you know, you know, these are the types of things that I think would would screw up, you know, normal people if you had multiple computers running different versions of 11. Right. That's the other issue. Yeah. I mean, you, that's who you are, but I mean, most people aren't gonna No, no, no. What I mean is, so, so for the entire duration of Windows 10 and through to Windows 11 version, the first version of Windows 11, you could go into the home view and say, I don't like, for my, my way of customizing it is I keep desktop and I keep downloads, but I get rid of the other ones. Cause I don't want them in that view. They were always available from this pc. So if I went to this pc, I saw all those folders. Wow. Yeah. That's weird. If But now those have gone from this pc. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like if you carry forward a customized version of Windows 11, actually it brings folders back. But if you go to and it customizes again, you actually lose stuff as you get those things again. Yeah. That's not, Yeah, it's just a, it's a weird, it's just a, it's a hard thing to describe, especially if you're not looking at it, but it's it will, it will bite some people. It's just one of, of those kind of weird,
Leo Laporte (00:29:42):
So
Paul Thurrott (00:29:43):
Configurations,
Leo Laporte (00:29:44):
This safeguard hold, I'm looking at Robert Hases post our Discord. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> does it, it gives you a number or something. It gives you some id mm-hmm. <Affirmative> of why. Right. So that's how the f you Adam Gross's f used to script works is is crowdsourcing that number. Right.
Paul Thurrott (00:30:00):
So in other words, your, your computer could have one or more safeguard holes. Right. There's, there's some database ID associated with every one of 'em
Leo Laporte (00:30:07):
For sure. Right. So you can look that up
Paul Thurrott (00:30:08):
If you, in other words, the way, the way the system's supposed to work is you go to Windows update check for updates. If there's a safeguard hold in your computer, it will say, Hey, good news Windows eleven's coming soon. Not for you. You can't get it right now. Is there's a safeguard hold and then there's a learn more link. And when you click on that link, you go to a webpage, it lists, it explains what safeguard holds are, and then it's tied to your particular pc and it will list all of the safeguard holds if they're available, you don't have Okay. If exist, that page does not list anything for anybody as far as I know. Oh, it's empty. Which is what I asked about earlier. That's why I said if anyone, if anyone has actually seen this ui, I would love to see a picture of it. I don't believe anyone. It's just broken. I don't think it's working. It's just broken. I think it's broken. Yeah. <laugh>, it has been two weeks and we have had one year to figure this out. I'm just, anyone max, nobody
Leo Laporte (00:30:53):
Long up.
Paul Thurrott (00:30:55):
Anyway, it's, it's a little frustrating. Because this, I think this is just a lack of attention to detail that spills out all over the place in Windows 11. And it's, it's frustrating. You know, it's, and you know, a new version is just gonna bring new problems and that's what we're talking about.
Leo Laporte (00:31:13):
But it's minor and well, you don't care because you don't need it. This update. This update, Yeah. You don't need it. Well, you want it, you want it. I understand. You want it, you know, you want it. It's like, Steve, you want more snap layouts? You want it, you want it <laugh>, but you can't have it. So are you saying Windows 11 is for closers? Is that what you're saying? Closers, dozers, closers, closers. 22 H two s for closers. Put that, put that 22 H two down. Put that update down.
Paul Thurrott (00:31:47):
<Laugh>. Look, the cold kids are all running it. I don't know what you guys are doing, you know, but
Leo Laporte (00:31:52):
You want the, you want 22 H two, but you can't have 22 H two <laugh>, 22 H two be wasted on you.
Paul Thurrott (00:32:00):
That's right.
Leo Laporte (00:32:01):
Yeah, that's right. That's
Paul Thurrott (00:32:04):
Don't
Leo Laporte (00:32:04):
Need,
Paul Thurrott (00:32:05):
That's all I'm saying. Yep.
Leo Laporte (00:32:07):
You know,
Paul Thurrott (00:32:07):
You, you were in the end crowd. You get it like
Leo Laporte (00:32:09):
Nuts. So <laugh> that's hysterical. But yeah, just to reassure people, it's okay. I, this is, I don't even talk about this on the radio show cuz I don't wanna set up these.
Paul Thurrott (00:32:20):
I I, I will say, I mean, I, I talk about the Don Graye test all the time and the downgrade test is you buy something newer, upgraded to some new version of something. Right? So a new phone, new version of Windows could be anything like that. And then you go back and you use the other one and if an upgrade is a good upgrade, you go back and you're like, Oh my God. I can say, Yeah, I'm so glad I have this other thing. You know. But I, it's fair to say I, you know, I I do use different, different versions of Windows 11 and Yeah. That
Leo Laporte (00:32:48):
Large might be confusing. Yes, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:32:50):
Well, no, by and large, I don't know. I'm not just confusing, but it's, I don't miss not having it.
Leo Laporte (00:32:55):
Oh, mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. It's not
Paul Thurrott (00:32:57):
Confusing. I don't use File Explorer tabs. I don't need Snap Assist. Yeah. Snap layout. Sorry. Yeah. I, so yeah, I mean, for the most part, honestly, the thing that I don't like is, the thing that is kind of a weird stop in my brain is, is File Explorer because the layout is different in the navigation pain. And because of that issue that I'm saying out loud, it doesn't make sense unless you're looking at it. But not being able to get those folders from this PC is, is weird. And it's because, you know, Windows what years? It's been seven, At least seven years. Maybe this was in Windows eight one, I don't remember. But for at least the past seven years, my explorer has worked a certain way in this regard and now it does not. And actually I do, I do notice that. So that's, you know, but for the most part yeah, it's not a big upgrade.
Leo Laporte (00:33:47):
No big. Yeah. Always be updating Abu. Yeah. Always be updating.
Paul Thurrott (00:33:55):
It's, it's like a career except you're not getting paid. It's nice. Keep yourself busy.
Leo Laporte (00:34:00):
It is. I this, I I'm surprised actually, it has been a year,
Paul Thurrott (00:34:04):
Right?
Leo Laporte (00:34:05):
I know since Windows 11 came out a year, a whole year.
Mary Jo Foley (00:34:09):
It feels way longer for
Leo Laporte (00:34:10):
All the talk <laugh> for all
Mary Jo Foley (00:34:12):
The time. That's, it feels like, it feels like it should have been way more than a year by now.
Leo Laporte (00:34:17):
That's funny. That's so funny. Yeah. I don't know if it feels longer or shorter. I don't know. I don't know how it feels. Yeah. I'm just not of
Mary Jo Foley (00:34:23):
It is we, one year ago
Paul Thurrott (00:34:25):
We were teased this UI right. With Windows TenX. So we sort of, you know, we, we've, we've kind of been expecting to see this thing for a while.
Mary Jo Foley (00:34:34):
Right.
Paul Thurrott (00:34:35):
But yeah, I gotta go back to it and see if I care.
Mary Jo Foley (00:34:40):
Yeah, yeah. You would, you would care.
Leo Laporte (00:34:44):
Paul <laugh> you
Paul Thurrott (00:34:46):
Care. I think I would actually, I think I would.
Leo Laporte (00:34:47):
He cares Steve way we know that. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:34:49):
I like the aesthetics of Windows 11. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:34:51):
Yeah. I'm happy on it. Actually. I'm glad I moved. I've gotten used to the center to task bar, the, the way the search works, the way workspace work and Yeah, now that I'm used to it, it's great.
Paul Thurrott (00:35:03):
My wife upgraded, you know, I noticed, I still looked at her compare and said, You're running Windows 11. She goes, Yeah, that's, what do you think? She goes, I'm like, well you're, you know, it's, it's different. She's like,
Leo Laporte (00:35:14):
Yeah, no it's not.
Paul Thurrott (00:35:15):
Yeah. She didn't really notice
Leo Laporte (00:35:16):
It. It's just an operating system. Paul, you care more than most.
Mary Jo Foley (00:35:19):
Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:35:19):
Just an operating system. <Laugh>. If it's just an operating system, why? I have a waste of the past year in my life writing a frigging hooker bunch
Mary Jo Foley (00:35:26):
<Laugh> best
Leo Laporte (00:35:27):
Operating system. They're a diamond. Just
Paul Thurrott (00:35:29):
An operating system. It's
Leo Laporte (00:35:30):
A commodity product. Paul. It's like pork bellies.
Paul Thurrott (00:35:34):
It's like commodity product.
Leo Laporte (00:35:37):
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Mary Jo Foley (00:41:16):
Shut it off. You can shut it off.
Leo Laporte (00:41:19):
Well, I just, what? You can't, what you can't shut can't.
Paul Thurrott (00:41:24):
Let's talk about cause actually, so you can't completely shut it off. But you
Leo Laporte (00:41:27):
Know what? Let's,
Paul Thurrott (00:41:28):
Yeah. The next topic, if I'm not mistaken,
Leo Laporte (00:41:30):
Reason, address
Paul Thurrott (00:41:31):
An issue I raised earlier and the issue you raised right now. Okay.
Leo Laporte (00:41:35):
New builds for the Dev and Bader channel.
Paul Thurrott (00:41:39):
Mr. Mr th So the dev the dev build in particular is interesting because this is an attempt to address the issue I raised earlier in general, which is just the kind of a lack of attention to detail, right? So they kind of, you know, regurgitated Windows 11 out into the world and people are like, Hey, I can't right click on the task bar. Or you just notice for example, Hey, I, I mouse over this thing and a yeah, two interface came up. Like I, I I like having the weather, but I don't want that stupid thing to come up, right? Yeah. So in the dev build, actually both of those issues of being addressed, so we've added back the ability to right click the desktop and get that task manager option everyone's complaining about, right? So nice because today when you right click the task bar in Windows 11, you just get task bar settings. Yeah. So I still do this. I consider myself to be a fairly experienced user, but because I've been doing the same thing for 20 whatever years, I still right click on the task bar, see that I cannot start task manager that way. Use my lizard brain to remember now I have to go do this other thing, but now it's coming back so I don't have to remember that I'm gonna, I'm gonna be happy when that happens. You could, You're talking
Leo Laporte (00:42:44):
Take control all delete. That's okay. Right?
Paul Thurrott (00:42:46):
That will do it. Actually, by the way control alt delete is actually the best way to get to task Spanish is because that doesn't involve the shell and it will work even if the shell is broken. Right? Bit for you.
Leo Laporte (00:42:59):
They're good. All three finger salutes right there. What about right clicking on the start button? No.
Paul Thurrott (00:43:04):
Oh, come on. Yeah, that works fine. Yeah, that works. I'm just, But that's, that's a, it works, of course it works. But that's one of like, that's one of 11 ways to do it. It's just not the way I
Leo Laporte (00:43:13):
There are many, many ways. Yeah. And I just good old days have control all delete in my fingertips. Yeah,
Paul Thurrott (00:43:19):
There you go. We, we all use muscle memory. So Yeah. For many muscle memories, right? Click the task bar. But yes, actually this, this is a little tidbit for everybody. That is actually the best way to do it in the sense that it will always work. But you know, so if you go back to Windows 10, Windows 10 had an interface like widgets, it was called, I think news and interests. It was over toward the system tray. Not way over on the left side, but it was the same thing. And they evolved it over time. Eventually they added like this weather display, like you see. But one of the things that news and interest has that widgets does not, is the ability to configure it so that if you mouse over it, it doesn't open. And in Windows 11, they just took that option away.
Paul Thurrott (00:44:01):
They're bringing it back. So, or they, they're at least testing bringing it back. So this is what I'm talking about, the the sort of a lack of fit and finish. They're addressing it over a really long period of time. You know, we were just talking about how, oh, I can't believe it's spent a year or it seems like much longer than that. Yeah. But this thing just came out in this really incomplete form. A year went by, they released a major diversion and they still haven't addressed a bunch of the complaints that people have about stuff that just doesn't work well. It worked the same or worked period. You know. Another interesting little fit and finish update coming in some future version of Windows 11 is that when you use the sniping tool, it we'll have the futuristic feature of just saving the picture to your screenshots full. I know. Like instead of forcing you to go through the save it, what the, why wouldn't it have always worked like that, you know? Yeah. Anyway,
Mary Jo Foley (00:44:49):
That's gonna save time for sure. Yes. Yep.
Paul Thurrott (00:44:52):
That's nice. I mean, I install a third party tool specifically because I just want it to work. I don't wanna sit there and, you know, determine the name of the file and where it goes. I just want it to save mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, Well, not now, but someday it will. Right. We don't know when instead have channel, It could be a year from now, but yeah, they're working on it. And so Microsoft take it away and in some cases Microsoft giveth back <laugh>. That makes sense. So that's what they're testing now.
Mary Jo Foley (00:45:19):
So you keep saying you can't turn widgets off all the way, but you can, Right? Like can, like I don't ever see widgets ever.
Paul Thurrott (00:45:27):
Yeah. But if you type Windows Q plus W, you will see widget. So it's still there.
Mary Jo Foley (00:45:32):
How would I ever type that?
Paul Thurrott (00:45:34):
I type it by mistake. I mean, you know, it's just a like <laugh>. Okay. No, but you No, but for example, I
Mary Jo Foley (00:45:39):
Know what you mean. I know, I know. You mean it's not gone from your system, but I can make it so I never see it. Right?
Paul Thurrott (00:45:45):
<Laugh> you That's true. You, you can remove the UI for it. The Yeah. Windows Key Plus, I'm sorry. Control plus W is a very common keyboard shortcut. Right. It closes the current tab the current document, the current whatever, depending on the application control and Windows Care right next to each other. So it's really possible one day that you might or someone might hit the wrong key card and be like, what is this <laugh> disaster of a UI that I'm looking at? Yeah. So yeah, it would be, So
Leo Laporte (00:46:14):
What is that again? Control what?
Paul Thurrott (00:46:17):
<Laugh> windows Q plus W. Yeah. Bring up widgets.
Leo Laporte (00:46:19):
Yeah, I know about that point
Paul Thurrott (00:46:21):
Being that if you say, Oh, I can
Leo Laporte (00:46:22):
Get rid of it. So that's a fast way to get rid of it. That's good. No, because it it's a toggle.
Paul Thurrott (00:46:30):
Sorry. If's open. Here's the problem, here's the problem. Yeah. What, what Leo wants, I think is the ability to see the little weather thing. Yeah. Doesn't want the widgets jumping open because maybe he must over there by mistake. Right, Exactly.
Leo Laporte (00:46:43):
Because I often put the mouse for some reason in the lower left hand corner.
Paul Thurrott (00:46:46):
So when Windows 10, you can configure it to do that in Windows 11 today, you can't, in the future you will be able to one of those 22
Leo Laporte (00:46:54):
H two features.
Paul Thurrott (00:46:55):
Why do you look like the cat in the hat <laugh>? What does happen? Are you going to a Jefferson airplane concert tonight? What? What is this
Leo Laporte (00:47:03):
One side makes Zana
Paul Thurrott (00:47:06):
Exactly. One
Leo Laporte (00:47:07):
Side makes you
Paul Thurrott (00:47:09):
Small's Tom Petty filming a music video in the next room.
Leo Laporte (00:47:11):
What's that? We're going to see petty theft this weekend. Yeah. Is that you really? I think for
Paul Thurrott (00:47:16):
Some reason, Did I actually guess what the hat was? Yeah. Is that what,
Leo Laporte (00:47:19):
What is the hat do, do you No, it's close. It's it is, it's a Matt Hatter.
Paul Thurrott (00:47:23):
Okay. Oh, there you go. Tom Hat.
Leo Laporte (00:47:25):
Yeah, sure. It's Tom Petty's hat.
Paul Thurrott (00:47:27):
Yep. I
Leo Laporte (00:47:27):
Borrowed it. <Laugh>, I'm just curious. I don't mean to derail, completely derail the show, but I have now, so let's
Paul Thurrott (00:47:34):
Go. There's no reason not to. Yep.
Leo Laporte (00:47:37):
I think we live in the capital of tribute bands. Like do you guys have a Tom Petty tribute band and Eagles tribute band as three Led Zeppelin Tribute bands, two ACDC Tribute Bands, a Michael Jackson tribute band. They're all here in like Northern California.
Paul Thurrott (00:47:54):
Yeah. Well, I mean the San Francisco Bay area was once the, maybe that's
Leo Laporte (00:47:59):
It,
Paul Thurrott (00:47:59):
Center of Music,
Leo Laporte (00:48:00):
But there is not a Jefferson Airplane tribute band. For some reason. <Laugh>
Paul Thurrott (00:48:04):
There should be
Leo Laporte (00:48:06):
Anyway, I'm sorry. Didn't mean just,
Paul Thurrott (00:48:07):
Just so you never have to hear. Nothing's gonna stop us now. Once again,
Leo Laporte (00:48:10):
Nothing's gone Stop us. So all Windows w I like that. That that does, that's w
Paul Thurrott (00:48:16):
Okay, so here's the, here's the, the point. What I was trying to make was, you can't actually tell Windows 11. No widgets ever. No matter what, you can't, there's no switch. You can turn, Maybe there is actually, maybe there is, there
Leo Laporte (00:48:27):
Might be a registry key or something.
Paul Thurrott (00:48:28):
Yeah, right. I was saying actually maybe there is a way, but as of today, what you can do is remove it from the ui, but you can access it by typing Windows Key plus W. So if you don't want, if you don't care about the weather display, but maybe occasionally you do wanna run widgets, you can Oh, turn off, off Clean. I
Leo Laporte (00:48:43):
Turn it off.
Paul Thurrott (00:48:44):
Just the keyboard.
Leo Laporte (00:48:45):
Is that in the task bar settings?
Paul Thurrott (00:48:47):
Yes, it is. If you right click widget the task box. Choose task bar settings.
Leo Laporte (00:48:51):
I see widgets off. Yeah, but it doesn't, it doesn't mean I can't do Windows Qw. Oh, see, that's perfect. That's right. Bingo.
Mary Jo Foley (00:48:59):
Yeah. Still works. That's
Leo Laporte (00:49:00):
What you want. Love it. I mean, I kind of like
Paul Thurrott (00:49:02):
Someone to regret a book describing these other excellent tips or perhaps have another podcast that is dedicated solely to this formative Oh, did
Leo Laporte (00:49:08):
You cut on hands on Windows and I missed it? Darn it.
Paul Thurrott (00:49:11):
I did <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (00:49:13):
Okay.
Paul Thurrott (00:49:14):
I did an episode just on keyboard shortcuts.
Leo Laporte (00:49:16):
I wouldn't mind. However, I mean, if you gave me the choice, my druthers, I like seeing the weather in the temperature in the lower life. That's right. That's an empty corner. Just not want,
Paul Thurrott (00:49:25):
You don't wanna mos over it and have that stupid thing getting away. Right. So that's coming. It's not there today, but that is coming.
Leo Laporte (00:49:31):
Oh, right. You, gosh. Bless you. I'm not gonna, Tom, after all
Mary Jo Foley (00:49:36):
Your life is
Paul Thurrott (00:49:37):
Complete
Leo Laporte (00:49:38):
<Laugh>
Paul Thurrott (00:49:38):
The issue is this functionality was already in Windows 10. So when they re-implemented this thing in Windows 11, we actually took away feet. This is the type of thing we're talking about the the feature of functional regression. Yeah. That occurs when you move from Windows 10 to Windows 11. This is one of many of the long list of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they, you know, and then I keep saying, over time, they're gonna add 'em all back and, you know, years, five years, you know, whatever.
Mary Jo Foley (00:50:03):
No. What they do is, some of these is like, they really want people to have the widgets thing, Right? Because that's indirectly and directly connected to ads, right? Oh yeah, for sure. And so, so what they did was they made it like, they made it a trick. So they put it over in a place where people automatically That's exactly right. They were used to that. But now people have screamed so much, I think what they do is they introduce the feature and they're like, Let's see how much people are gonna gonna scream. And if they scream a lot, then they're like, All right, let's inch it back. Right? And if they, let's
Leo Laporte (00:50:32):
See. Don't
Mary Jo Foley (00:50:32):
Really scream a
Paul Thurrott (00:50:33):
Lot. Let's exceed our authority and then say we're sorry,
Mary Jo Foley (00:50:37):
<Laugh>. Yeah,
Paul Thurrott (00:50:38):
Yeah. No, you're right. You're, you are 100% right. Yep. Yeah. Who the, the person who came up with what, where the start button used to be probably got raise, probably was promoted. That is an evil genius idea. Yeah. Cause people
Leo Laporte (00:50:52):
Click it by
Paul Thurrott (00:50:53):
Accident. Yeah. I sl its inventiveness. Ipis. Its terribleness.
Leo Laporte (00:50:58):
I feel like Panos pane probably thought that up. Like,
Paul Thurrott (00:51:01):
You didn't wanna say it was the cl, the Crown Prince of Evil over there, but it was, you know, I feel
Leo Laporte (00:51:05):
Like that's his move right there. That's exactly, Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (00:51:09):
Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. No, somebody said to him, We need you to get more people to click on ads. How can you guys do this? Right? Yep. <Laugh>,
Paul Thurrott (00:51:16):
So do, you could have this button that follows your mouse cursor around. So no matter what you click, you click the ad button. Oh,
Leo Laporte (00:51:21):
I love that. That's a,
Paul Thurrott (00:51:23):
That'll be in Windows 12
Leo Laporte (00:51:24):
Book. That guy. That's good.
Paul Thurrott (00:51:26):
It was her steal program I ever worked,
Leo Laporte (00:51:28):
Actually. Nice. Nice.
Paul Thurrott (00:51:29):
Any hope? Yes. So anyway, they're fixing it. It's, to me, it's astonishing that after one year has gone by, we got so few updates. It's bizarre to me now that we're entering the second year that they're talking about fixing these things, which we identified in June, 2020. Yeah. Or 2021, Sorry, as being problems. And they're sort of slowly addressing them. Hopefully sometime between now and next October, be at some moment update. We will get the update the updates I just described. I'm, I'm hoping it's not, you know, like a year. Cuz these aren't big deals. Yeah. But it'd be
Mary Jo Foley (00:52:08):
Needed. They'll be in moments, Right? They'll come, it'll come in one of these moments things. Right. These center feature drops, right?
Paul Thurrott (00:52:16):
Yep. I think so. I
Leo Laporte (00:52:17):
Will be listening with my ears on
Paul Thurrott (00:52:21):
Faded breath.
Leo Laporte (00:52:22):
Yes. No, I'll have my I'll put my big ears on.
Paul Thurrott (00:52:26):
Oh, your big ears. Yeah. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:52:28):
So that I will be ready when the time comes.
Paul Thurrott (00:52:33):
Don't that's fine. Stop.
Leo Laporte (00:52:35):
Yeah.
Leo Laporte (00:52:38):
Yeah. Moving right along, ladies in general,
Paul Thurrott (00:52:41):
Right? In related news, Leo this month it is October. Microsoft's gonna release you. I call it the October update. I'm not really sure if they ever gave it a name. It's the spooky will deliver this call. The spooky, it was additional fee, the features that will complete Windows 11, version 22 H two. Given that it's coming literally within days, <laugh> right. Weeks they have issued an update for the release preview panel that provides those features. Yep. So you can have a couple days to test them before they go live, which is crazy. But so the file explorer thing, we talked about tab interface, new favorite section in the home view, one drive improvements and then a new navigation bar, because that has to change three times in one year. But, you know, that's what they're
Mary Jo Foley (00:53:29):
Doing.
Paul Thurrott (00:53:30):
Great suggestions,
Mary Jo Foley (00:53:31):
Actions, right? Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:53:32):
Which is the smallest, dumbest feature. <Laugh>, although it may evolve in something more important over time. This is smart tags in way, Right? Remember smart tags from office? It was gonna be an office 2013 maybe, or 2010, I don't remember a long time ago. Basically you type in a future date or a future time. And as you, you know, type space to get onto the next thing, you'll see a little toolbar pops up. And depending on the apps installed on your computer, you'll see a list of actions that you can do against those. So the default for those are gonna be create New event, and that would be using the calendar app. Okay, cool. If you type a phone number and type of space, you'll get a full bar. And one of the things will be call this phone number with teams. You know, that type of thing. And I have literally just described this feature in its entirety. Those are the three things you can, or two things,
Mary Jo Foley (00:54:24):
Three
Paul Thurrott (00:54:25):
Different now. That's it. That's
Mary Jo Foley (00:54:25):
The whole thing. But you know, they're gonna expand the pool of what that is. Right.
Paul Thurrott (00:54:29):
That's what I mean. Like, yeah. Over time this will probably become more powerful. I suspect people will look at this and say, Hey, you know, it'd be a cool idea and, you know, maybe we'll see some stuff. Yeah. Or it just disappears into a black hole and goes away, you know, which is how
Mary Jo Foley (00:54:40):
Sometimes you never know these things
Paul Thurrott (00:54:41):
Go. Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (00:54:42):
Charms, Charms 2.0,
Paul Thurrott (00:54:45):
Joking about to return terms, they're just charges. Oh, it's okay. Task bar overflow I group is just a prettier version of task bar overflow with a little bit of in place icon management, I guess.
Mary Jo Foley (00:54:57):
Yeah. If you have too much, too many things in your task bar and you wanna see them all right. <Laugh>.
Paul Thurrott (00:55:02):
Yeah. Okay. I mean, whatever. Yeah. And then the one I, I have to be honest, I've read every description of this I can find. I've never seen anything that makes sense of it, but this is what Microsoft says. Oh, I should say this is background Windows 10 and 11 support a feature called thereby Sharing, which allows you to share over wifi or Bluetooth with a computer that's on the same network. Right. I use this all the time with the book. It's actually really helpful. In fact, I internet sort of the other podcast about nearby share. I don't know if it's live yet, but I don't think anyone knows about this feature. It's been, it's been around for a couple years. This is their description of what's be happening to discover and share to more devices, including desktops using a nearby share. Okay. It sounds like they're, I guess it does nearby sharing the feature's called nearby sharing, by the way. But I guess the feature, does it work with desktop PCs? Is that possible? I guess if you're on an ethernet connection, Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. Anyway, it's a neat little feature. I guess it's gonna get better. Curious to see it. And I think that's it. I think that's literally,
Mary Jo Foley (00:56:13):
Yeah, that's about it. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:56:14):
Yeah. That's the entire list. So that's
Mary Jo Foley (00:56:17):
What's coming soon. And when, when you install this, this isn't, it's funny, I asked them if this was considered like a moment. I didn't use that term because they don't want us to use it, but like another feature drop, like an interim feature drop, and they're like, No, this is part of 22 H two. And I'm like, Oh yeah. So 22 H two is being delivered in two parts. That's the first time we've ever seen this happen with the feature update. Yeah. Right. Like, here's some of the features. Nope. Here's the rest of them. You know, <laugh>,
Paul Thurrott (00:56:44):
Based on the way that I install these features now, which is using a months old, Well it's a, it's actually a cumulative update. Right. It will just be one of the, It won't be, it probably won't even say feature update. It will probably, No. Right. It might, it might not even identify itself. You know, it might just say kb, whatever the number is mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and then you reboot and you
Mary Jo Foley (00:57:03):
Like a cumulative update. That's what I'm guessing this is because they've been a little confusing about when it's coming out. And what I think what I think is gonna happen is they're gonna test it in preview the c and d week of October. So Right. You know, we have Patch Tuesday, then the next two weeks they roll out previews of other things that are gonna be in the next patch Tuesday. So I think the mainstream users are going to get this in November, even though they're calling it sometime. Yeah. They sometimes call it the October update.
Paul Thurrott (00:57:31):
The C the Sea Week is two weeks from now.
Mary Jo Foley (00:57:34):
Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (00:57:35):
Right. Yes. And it's, it's actually pretty close. But then again, they've been testing these features, they've been kind of matriculating them through mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you know, dev channel to beta and now to release preview. So Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. I think two weeks from yesterday where you'll be able to seek and get the preview version of this update. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, I think that's exactly right. Again, no one from Microsoft will be clear about this or say anything about it, but that's the, that's
Mary Jo Foley (00:57:59):
The, it's been very murky cuz they, they keep calling it the October update. I'm like Yeah, but if I'm right, the mainstream users won't get this until November Patch's Tuesday. Right. Like that's when they'll get it. Right.
Paul Thurrott (00:58:09):
Right. Hey,
Leo Laporte (00:58:10):
Okay. Do they still include robo copy with Windows? Like just check here? Robo
Paul Thurrott (00:58:19):
The command line until you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Probably
Leo Laporte (00:58:21):
Robo
Paul Thurrott (00:58:22):
Next. Copy.
Leo Laporte (00:58:22):
Copy. Yeah. They sure Dobo robust file copy. You know why I asked? Yeah. Because people,
Paul Thurrott (00:58:28):
Yeah, I do actually.
Leo Laporte (00:58:30):
Do you, do you know why I ask?
Paul Thurrott (00:58:31):
I think I do. Yeah, I think
Leo Laporte (00:58:33):
I do because people are always calling me saying, How come Windows copies so
Paul Thurrott (00:58:37):
Slow. Slow. So locks and all the garbage that was Windows eight were some actually really unique, Well, a really good desktop features. And one of the best ones was the new file copy experience, which they dramatically, they multi threaded it. You could do multiple file copies at the same time that wouldn't harm the performance of the other file copies. You could pause file copies, et cetera, et cetera. Apparently they've stepped back from this and Windows 1122 H two. So if you're copying files locally or over a network and one of the computers is using 22 H two, well you're gonna have significantly slower file copy performance. Like 40% slower. And this is a bug they're working on it.
Leo Laporte (00:59:21):
Is this a hard computer science problem? Because I feel like it's been solved.
Paul Thurrott (00:59:24):
I don't think it is
Leo Laporte (00:59:25):
19. Don't, 1981.
Paul Thurrott (00:59:27):
The problem is don't touch something that works. Yeah. You know, so no, I think this is more of a you know, like the human error thing, it's always like the human error. That's the, the reason for like a plane crash or a, you know, whatever it is. Like some, you know, some electrical grid goes down. It's like, Oh, I'm sorry, I clicked the button and went and grabbed a done. You know? I feel like this is what happened on the back end. Someone just, I don't know, stumbled over some code and screwed up something. I don't know. Yeah. So they will fix it.
Leo Laporte (00:59:56):
Never leave, leave
Paul Thurrott (00:59:57):
Your code files really fast. I'm just,
Leo Laporte (00:59:59):
I don't, If you leave it lying on the floor, somebody's gonna trip on it. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, you know it's gonna happen. It's gonna break. You
Paul Thurrott (01:00:06):
Don't goes pretty quick though. Nearby. Share the thing.
Leo Laporte (01:00:09):
Is that a good feature? You like that
Paul Thurrott (01:00:11):
Feature? I like it. I like it a lot.
Leo Laporte (01:00:13):
Is there a limit on the size gem of a hidden
Paul Thurrott (01:00:17):
Yeah. 40 gigabyte? No, I don't know actually. I'm not really sure. It's pretty fast in my, it's my experience. It's very
Leo Laporte (01:00:22):
Fast choosing using wifi. But I mean, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Paul Thurrott (01:00:24):
Yeah. It'll actually work
Leo Laporte (01:00:26):
If that's all you have to do it.
Paul Thurrott (01:00:28):
Yeah. The screens have
Leo Laporte (01:00:29):
To hold each,
Paul Thurrott (01:00:32):
I don know if people understand how computers work, but
Leo Laporte (01:00:35):
Screens there was, you remember the S spot Watch the Microsoft watch You
Paul Thurrott (01:00:43):
Hadactually to the,
Leo Laporte (01:00:44):
But
Paul Thurrott (01:00:45):
Then pulled it up to the, the CT
Leo Laporte (01:00:47):
Display. CT
Paul Thurrott (01:00:49):
Epileptic fit. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:00:51):
Because it doesn't work on LCDs. So they had to
Paul Thurrott (01:00:54):
Get That's right. That's right. It required a Yeah, you're right. Right. A CT display. <Laugh>. Yeah. About that part.
Leo Laporte (01:00:59):
Little hole in the bottom of the face of the watch so that it could, you could aim it at
Paul Thurrott (01:01:04):
The screen. It's the same technology you Apple you use set up, you know, the little Starburst is display. I love you. Configure. I think that's the same tech.
Leo Laporte (01:01:12):
Oh, I don't really, I think that's something a little more modern.
Paul Thurrott (01:01:17):
Watch the future <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:01:22):
I had one. I had one and did too. It came out right as CRTs were leaving the market. Exactly.
Paul Thurrott (01:01:28):
It was, it was like Microsoft. Bob was like a Windows three app. Just when Windows 95 was coming out. Yeah. Good timing. Maybe I should marry the bus
Leo Laporte (01:01:36):
<Laugh>. Alright, let's see here. How are we how are we? I think I might be a good time to interrupt. With another, Yeah. A fabulous commercial. And then we'll get back to the, the fun and games that we call Windows Weekly. Okay. You dozers actually now that lc LCD monitors have gotten really affordable and you might wonder why you're still staring at a single screen when you could have a second screen and imagine if you will, that second screen doing all the meetings, you know, all the Zoom in the team in the Google meeting. Wouldn't that be awesome? That's what MIMO Monitors makes. And now they, those are those little, like I have a little seven inch MIMO monitor. I love it. The software they use. Unify meeting is now available for you standalone as well. So Unify meeting solves a really pre problem in my life.
Leo Laporte (01:02:34):
We use internally. Google will meet, I frequently have to do teams calls with the folks at Premier cuz they're a Microsoft house. We use Zoom. All of you are on Zoom. So I'm using all of these all the time. And unfortunately Google meets hang up button is right where the Zoom unmute your mic button is. And invariably I'll join a team meeting with the company and I'll hang up the minute I get in there. Cause I think I'm unmuting my mic, but I'm really hanging up. See the, the different user interfaces can be confusing. Unify Meeting solves this. It's your intuitive software solution simplifies your work life by taking all your favorite video conferencing solutions and putting one simple universal interface on top of it. So it's always the same no matter what you're using. This is such a, the timing is perfect for this, in this hybrid work world, we're all spending a lot more time on video calls, right?
Leo Laporte (01:03:27):
And I tell you, I'm sure I'm not alone. Where it's just like, where, where's the button for that? What am I using right now? Unify eliminates the frustration. It takes out the guesswork. It's reliable every time. Buttons that command's always in the same place. Doesn't matter if you're using Zoom or Teams or Meet, whether you're working full time in the office remotely or maybe you're worse hybrid, you know, half and half Unify keeps your video conferencing simple and intuitive. You can navigate between all your meetings easily without worrying about needing to keep track of changing video conferencing. Apps are changing commands. It's always on your desktop as a calendar. So it's your which people, you know, that's something I like is my calendar, my desktop with your next meeting. And instead of saying, Now what do I need Zoom? What do I have to launch your meet?
Leo Laporte (01:04:13):
What am I doing? You click the meeting, click the invite app. The right, the Unify meeting opens up in the right app with the same UI you're used to. You don't need to know anymore. It doesn't matter. You don't have to manually open the video conferencing software and even know what meeting software's your next meeting's using. It's so great. The best way to do it though is with that external MIMO display because it doesn't take a many desk real estate display's got your calendar. So it's like, you know, when you're not in meeting, it's like your calendar display. When you are in a meeting, there's the meeting and this is cool. You could still see the Zoom UI or the Meet UI or the team's UI on the big screen. So you still have access to the old UI unify meetings running on the little monitor.
Leo Laporte (01:04:59):
It's the best of both worlds. Runs on Windows PC compatible the whole year, $35 and 88 cents, or, and I think this is the best way to go purchase a MIMO monitor and it comes with it for free. So Unify, that's the name of the program. Unify meeting. Try unify for your team at work, try it for yourself, you and I f y m e e t i n g.com. Unify meeting.com. Enter the code ww you're gonna get 25% off the, your subscription, but you can use the same code and get 25% off any of mimo seven inch displays. They're really nice. Plug 'em in. Boom. You're good. You're done. It's, it's such a great way. If you're doing a lot of video conferencing and who isn't these days, simplify with unify unify meeting.com. Don't forget the code Dub dub use that so that they get credit. Paul and Mary Jo, we thank you MIMO monitors for supporting the show Unify meeting. Great stuff. Unify meeting.com. Now I think outlooks out is Outlook out.
Paul Thurrott (01:06:12):
Oh, wait, wait,
Mary Jo Foley (01:06:13):
The new Outlook.
Leo Laporte (01:06:14):
Wait, somebody in the Discord said it was out. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (01:06:16):
Did we not just, I thought we just, did we not talk
Leo Laporte (01:06:19):
About this? Well, I think it's Microsoft 365 times, so this feels like maybe the time to talk about it if we haven't already. Yeah, I don't think we have. Am
Mary Jo Foley (01:06:28):
I wrong? I think last week we mentioned there was a, it was coming preview of Outlook for Windows, the new outlook for Windows.
Leo Laporte (01:06:35):
Right. Oh, so, okay, so we already last that's it's still, I'm still behind. Okay. Still. Oh, I thought it was
Mary Jo Foley (01:06:41):
Reels. Okay. No, you know what I saw though? I saw in the Microsoft 365 message center a mention saying it's going to be rolling out generally I think this month or early next month. So it's close. Okay. It's very close.
Paul Thurrott (01:06:55):
I mean, they have a lot of stuff to add, you know? Yeah. Wealthy Account support,
Leo Laporte (01:07:00):
For example.
Mary Jo Foley (01:07:00):
I know that would be, I wonder if they're gonna roll it without that. I like, I can't imagine. Although they could, you know what they could do? And that was the tip originally when we heard about Monarch the beginning was they were gonna roll it out and let it run alongside the existing outlook and not say to everybody, Okay, now you gotta drop existing Outlook and go to this. Like, it was gonna run in parallel for a while, probably while they keep adding features. Right. And then yeah, the cutoff date to roll people over is way out there in the future somewhere.
Paul Thurrott (01:07:28):
This is gonna be a whole dead finger situation for a lot of people. Yeah. You
Mary Jo Foley (01:07:32):
Know? Oh, yeah, yeah, I know. And then a lot of people are waiting for it to replace the built in mail and calendar that's in Windows. We don't even know when that's gonna happen, but supposedly that also is going to happen at some point too. Right. So we don't know when, though.
Paul Thurrott (01:07:47):
That can't happen soon enough.
Mary Jo Foley (01:07:49):
Yeah. I know you hate that program. I use it. It's okay. Hate hate. He hates it. But this, this coming week we've got Microsoft Ignite and I wrote a kind of a little preview story about something you're gonna hear a lot about at Ignite that I think a lot of people don't quite understand what this is and the significance of it. It's the thing Microsoft calls industry clouds, which are these vertical clouds. They sell, like there's a cloud for healthcare, retail, financial services, sustainability, sovereignty. They have all these different offerings. A lot of people just equate this as Microsoft is bundling together a bunch of stuff and they're trying to sell you all these things as bundles and hope that you'll just buy them all together and use more of their products. In part that is true why they're doing that, right?
Mary Jo Foley (01:08:39):
Like they, to use these industry clouds, you have to be a pretty big customer and you have to already have licenses for things like Azure, Dynamics 365, Microsoft 365. So we're not talking about something for like SMBs or definitely not for individuals, right? These, this is a play for big companies. But I've, I've been like kind of reading up on what Microsoft is doing to position this and I just thought it was a bundle, but it's more than that actually. They have gone on the record and said, this is how we're trying to onboard more customers to Azure. So they're using this idea that they have something customized for these markets to try to get customers who may not be Azure users right now to move over to Azure. Another interesting thing is this is, this is a way that Microsoft is talking.
Mary Jo Foley (01:09:28):
You know, we always joke about Microsoft talks about their big customers as partners. And I used to laugh. I'm like, Oh yeah, sure. Everybody's a partner, right? Well, the reason they're doing that is that they're trying to get to a point where instead of going in and having a conversation with a customer and selling them one thing, like, we're gonna sell you Microsoft 365, or we're gonna sell you Dynamics 365. They wanna go in and say, You know what? You have a problem. We have a bunch of solutions. We're gonna sell you a cloud customized just for your particular industry. So I think it's really changing the way Microsoft is selling more than I kind of gave them credit for. And it's a, so these clouds are not Azure Dynamics 365 and Microsoft 365. It's a layer on top of that so that you have like connectors and APIs and frameworks and all this stuff. They're trying to sell you like an extra level on top of these other things, but they're also trying to contain it so that they don't put their partners outta business. They want partners to be able to provide another layer on top of that. So there's a, there's a lot of pieces going on, a lot of complexities going on. You're definitely gonna hear sat nadela on day one. Talk about industry clouds. I know you are. And I think actually there'll be more of a future. There was a future
Paul Thurrott (01:10:46):
Cloud partner program
Mary Jo Foley (01:10:48):
Launch this past week. We should mention that right? Today this week, right? Microsoft rebranded the Microsoft Partner Network to the Microsoft Cloud program. So they revamped their partner program. They announced that this was gonna come back in March, and they have all these new designations new, like they're trying to align how they sell the cloud with how the partner program works instead of just having like gold, silver competencies, that kind of thing. It's been a rocky road to say the least about trying to get people to move over to this new model. But I saw that they did they did tell partners this week that, okay, if you're really still using gold silver and you wanna get the benefits you have, you can just stay on that and don't worry about the new program.
Leo Laporte (01:11:33):
<Laugh>, you know, you know what industry they'd really like to offer a cloud to who? The Pentagon.
Mary Jo Foley (01:11:39):
Oh yeah. They've got the Microsoft Government Cloud. They've
Leo Laporte (01:11:42):
Got government. But what about the Jedi Cloud? I guess they lost, That's all gone, huh?
Mary Jo Foley (01:11:45):
Well, no, no. They've lost the Jedi program, but they've got other, other hooks into other places like that. You know, the HoloLens contract that seems to be moving ahead. The thing they're building with
Leo Laporte (01:11:56):
The, I think that's a wedge into the, into the.me too.
Mary Jo Foley (01:12:00):
Same.
Leo Laporte (01:12:00):
Cause I know they really, they that hurt that they lost that, that they won it, then they lost it.
Mary Jo Foley (01:12:04):
I know. It was like back and forth. Right. And now Microsoft been lobbying along with some other companies like Oracle to try to tell the government, You know what, you should never have a single provider win on those kind of big
Paul Thurrott (01:12:15):
Right. Multi-Cloud suddenly is the right multi-cloud is the right solution.
Mary Jo Foley (01:12:19):
Right. <Laugh>,
Paul Thurrott (01:12:20):
Which by the way, Yes. Right. I mean that does
Leo Laporte (01:12:23):
Is it though, for, so what Jedi was really designed to do as a super secure encrypted cloud for high, you know, high highly classified business and is is a multi-cloud, multi-home cloud the best
Paul Thurrott (01:12:38):
For that. Well, yeah. If you care about resiliency and you
Leo Laporte (01:12:40):
Know. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess if your encryption good, it doesn't matter. You know, that's, you get extra transport and stuff going on, right? Yeah. Yeah. So maybe that is a be Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe that is the better answer. Yeah. Yeah. I think way they can
Paul Thurrott (01:12:54):
Sell government class, you
Leo Laporte (01:12:56):
Know, everybody can carry
Paul Thurrott (01:12:58):
Government encryption
Leo Laporte (01:12:59):
And that's what we all want, isn't it? Yeah. Deep down. Yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, honestly, the government spends so much if you can get in on that. They do. That's lucrative. That's, that's good. It
Mary Jo Foley (01:13:11):
Sure is.
Leo Laporte (01:13:13):
Look at Boeing, right? Look at lot.
Paul Thurrott (01:13:15):
You thought E five was expensive? Wait till you see G five
Leo Laporte (01:13:18):
<Laugh>.
Mary Jo Foley (01:13:19):
I keep waiting for E seven. I don't know, I, I hear I'm wrongs I keep bringing
Paul Thurrott (01:13:24):
Out for the SUV size ones, like
Mary Jo Foley (01:13:26):
X one, Mary Jo, don't, don't even say that. Like, don't give them any ideas. E five is expensive. Don't give him any E seven idea <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:13:38):
I am using Microsoft Edge right now,
Paul Thurrott (01:13:42):
And you just got a major new update that literally has no new end user
Leo Laporte (01:13:47):
Features. Oh, how
Paul Thurrott (01:13:49):
Exciting. Quickest news story of all time. Wow. No,
Leo Laporte (01:13:52):
That
Mary Jo Foley (01:13:52):
Cyber that was already there, right? Wasn't the Edge cyber already there?
Leo Laporte (01:13:56):
Wow. I thought it was okay.
Paul Thurrott (01:13:59):
Yep. It's all backend stuff. There's some dev stuff in there, There's some IT pro stuff. There's nothing, Right? Nothing
Leo Laporte (01:14:04):
Exciting. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. Well, you know what is exciting? Tomorrow we're gonna get a new Pixel seven probably. How is that exciting? We're not gonna hear any surprises because Amazon and everybody just already told the world Exactly.
Mary Jo Foley (01:14:15):
Yeah, they did
Leo Laporte (01:14:17):
<Laugh>. Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (01:14:18):
You know, why are you guys buying?
Paul Thurrott (01:14:20):
Because Amazon had the little devices event, and Google was like, Oh, look, we have this new search stuff. Amazon's like, Oh, look, here's all the new devices. You're gonna release that? Yeah,
Mary Jo Foley (01:14:27):
I'm staying with mine.
Leo Laporte (01:14:28):
He picks a six.
Mary Jo Foley (01:14:30):
Not going anywhere.
Leo Laporte (01:14:30):
I probably don't be fine, but I think I have to just to kinda look at it. So
Paul Thurrott (01:14:35):
I don't think it's gonna be a big upgrade year over
Leo Laporte (01:14:37):
Year. No, I don't think so either. Yeah, we're gonna be doing the event though tomorrow morning, 10:00 AM Eastern, 7:00 AM my time. So I'll be in my jammies with Ron and Ron Richards from all about Android, and we'll be covering that event. Google's doing it live in Brooklyn. Yeah. So are you gonna go over there, Mary Jo? You could.
Mary Jo Foley (01:14:58):
No, I am not invited to that event. But
Leo Laporte (01:15:02):
You're a user, You're
Mary Jo Foley (01:15:03):
Customer. I'm a user, but they don't care. I'm a low level user. I'm not like one of their marque users yet. <Laugh>
Leo Laporte (01:15:10):
End user. We will be streaming that live live.tv thanks to the good offices of the people at Club TWiT who subsidize all of our stuff. Like your stuff, like your great show, Hands on Windows with Paul. Th there's hands on Mac with like a Sergeant. Yeah. Ad free versions you're doing of this show and every show
Mary Jo Foley (01:15:29):
You're doing a surface event. Next a week from
Leo Laporte (01:15:31):
Today, next October 12th, same thing. 12 brought to you by club TWiTtter. $7 a month, go to TWiT, do TV slash club TWiT. If you're not yet a member really does make a difference in the kinds of stuff and the volume of stuff we can do. All right. All all right. I'm ready for some Xbox News.
Paul Thurrott (01:15:53):
You turned into Matthew McConaughy there for a second. <Laugh>. All
Leo Laporte (01:15:56):
Right. All right, All here's the man of the hour. Paul Thera,
Paul Thurrott (01:16:00):
You know, I would say many weeks I say to Mary Jo, don't worry, it's really quick. This one is not like that.
Leo Laporte (01:16:08):
Okay.
Paul Thurrott (01:16:09):
So this one, there's a lot of stuff going on. So the EU this past week it no know announced. It was like kind of a legal filing that you had to go look for and find, but they said publicly that they are going to decide on the Activation Blizzard acquisition by Microsoft by November 8th. Right? So roughly the timeframe we were expecting anyway, but they put a date on it. And so we'll see what happens there. I, there's been a lot of back and forth on this thing. I not changed my stance on this. I don't think Microsoft has either internally or externally, which is, there's no reason this isn't gonna happen, is just gonna be the right set of in sessions for the industry, especially for Sony to make sure that Call of Duty especially is on the PlayStation forever or whatever that's gonna happen.
Paul Thurrott (01:16:51):
No big deal. In bigger news Google announced the inevitable this week, this week I think right? The other day, and said they, they are killing Stadia, which is their cloud game and streaming service. I, I know from the outside, this is kind of like a cynical thing and people like, Oh, of course they killed it. Google, they're terrible. And honestly Stadia was killed by internal wounds. There's no doubt about it. The thing that they got, right, the thing that they did very right for a cloud streaming service is they configured their con they have a controller, right? You can use any control you want in any device, but if you have the Stadia controller, that thing has a direct connection to the cloud. So you have a screen that is connected to the cloud, to whatever game you're playing that's displaying the game, obviously.
Paul Thurrott (01:17:37):
And then you have a controller that's not connected to the screen. It's connected to the cloud directly. And the idea, there is a bunch of, there's a bunch of reasons for that. One of the reasons would be your switch screens, right? So maybe you're sitting in front of a, a big TV or whatever, it's time to go to work, you get on the bus and now you switch screens. So you're on your phone, but you can even say, I'm controller. That's kind of cool. The real issue with cloud based gaming is latency. And this really, really helps with latency. And so when the Amazon came out with their Luna game service, which by the way, I think it's also two years ago they did the same scheme for their controller, Same exact deal. They had some numbers to it. I think they said that it's really, it's off the top of my head, but I believe they said that it re reduced latency by up to 40% over a Bluetooth connection directly with the device that you're playing on.
Paul Thurrott (01:18:23):
It's a big deal. It's a really big deal. In fact, I know it's a big deal because I've used Xbox Cloud gaming, which is Microsoft's game streaming service and latency is a huge issue. So depending on the game you're playing, that might not be a big deal. But once you get into like first person shooters, it's a serious problem. Once you get into multiplayer first person shooters, it's an impossibility. Like it's just, at that point, it basically means the game is just unplayable. It's a huge disadvantage. Yes. So my, I'm calling on Microsoft to basically copy this technology, right? Come up with a new version of their controller, which I recommend, you know, they could call it the, you know, the Xbox Xbox Cloud, Gaming wireless. Yeah, the cloud controller. Yeah, yeah. And have it connect directly, right? It could be the third generation controller, if you will, for the Xbox Series X and apps or whatever.
Paul Thurrott (01:19:13):
You think this is somehow owned by Google or, but Amazon does it. No, because Amazon did the same thing. Yeah. Such a, it's an implementation second. It's the way they implement it. Yeah. Settled Bluetooth wifi. Yeah. Yep. Exactly. And fact, Exactly, directly to the cloud. This will put Xbox Cloud gaming over the top, right? And by the way, you know, with this activation Blizzard thing I just mentioned, and Paula Duty and other games coming to Microsoft, coming to Xbox Game Pass coming presumably to Xbox Cloud gaming, this is what's gonna be necessary for those games to even make sense, right? You have to do this Microsoft. So hopefully that's what happens. But that's my, my hope. And my dream is that this is what's gonna happen. If you are a flight simulator fan you've got a new world update that's past week, I think it's update 11.
Paul Thurrott (01:20:03):
So these world updates, what they do is they add high resolution imagery for different places around the world. So everyone's focused on an area. This one is for Canada, so it includes, you know, five airports nine exciting new missions. This is their language which include like three Bush trips three landing challenges, and three discovery flights. So the idea is if they don't have a world update for a particular area, or if they don't specifically focus on higher resolution imagery for a particular area, you know, you fly, you know, it looks good. But once they do the high resolution imagery, it looks exactly like that place. It's, it's, it's kind of awesome when you see these things. So, you know, we, back in the day when it first came out, there was one for Europe, Western Europe, I think we, we had Paris. I flew around Paris. You know, it's, it's awesome. It's just, it just makes it look awesome. So if you're a fan of Canada, you can find a Canada. And then it's the beginning of the month. So we're, you know, we're switching over with Game Pass and
Leo Laporte (01:20:56):
And
Paul Thurrott (01:20:57):
Games for gold. So game Pass, we have the first list of new games for the first half of the month is some good stuff in there. The Walking Dead games are in there, which is amazing on pc, which is really interesting. And then the, actually the game I'm probably gonna play, which is a plagues tale Requi. So I think this is the second game in the series. I played the first game, go figure on stadium. Kind of a lightweight, you know, fantasy adventure kind of a thing. Good game. And there are several others across all
Leo Laporte (01:21:27):
Spooky, I guess it's the spooky month. Yeah. Oh, Dyson's Fear Program is supposed to be good. My friends been telling me to play that.
Paul Thurrott (01:21:37):
Never even
Leo Laporte (01:21:38):
Heard. We like simulations. This is in the, in the club to a gaming section, actually, not like in the coding section.
Paul Thurrott (01:21:44):
House painting simulation. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:21:46):
Yeah. That's so much fun, especially watching it dry. God, I love that part. Tom
Paul Thurrott (01:21:50):
Sawyer simulation <laugh> to date, if you are, if you were an Xbox Live Gold subscriber, and then more recently in Xbox Game Pass, Ultimate Subscriber, you got to take, you got four free games every month through the Games with Gold Program. Those, that has evolved over time. So over time we had Xbox 360 Games is where it started. The Xbox One came out, Xbox One Games got involved in there, so we had two of each. Eventually they had OG Xbox Games in there because they did the backward compatibility thing. So instead of an Xbox 360 title, some months you would get an OG game. But over time, what happened was, you know, so much time went by all the games that could be licensed and brought to this program were, And so a couple months ago, Microsoft said, Hey, we're kind of running outta games to put in with games of Gold, so we're just gonna focus on the newer games.
Paul Thurrott (01:22:40):
So newer games mean they run on X Xbox One and X Xbox series X and S. And you know, my, my understanding, my assumption would, we would still get four games, but now it will be like no games. And we're, we're not at least this month. So we've run out of Xbox 360 Games and which month we're getting two games, not four. It's still, it's $45 of value. I would say most months it was probably in the $7,000 range because it was four titles, right? So this month it is only two unfortunately. So it's Inbound and Bomber Crew Deluxe Edition. So these are both Xbox One titles is what they're, So we'll see what happens over time. I'm curious if they, maybe some nons have three or four again, or if this is, maybe it's just two now, but you
Leo Laporte (01:23:24):
Get to keep them forever, right? So it, they
Paul Thurrott (01:23:26):
Couldn't get to keep 'em for the life of your subscription. Okay.
Leo Laporte (01:23:29):
Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (01:23:30):
They can't went to your,
Leo Laporte (01:23:31):
There's no point in redoing them cuz they already did them. Yeah, everybody's gone, right? Yeah,
Paul Thurrott (01:23:36):
Yeah. It's not like Epic where you, you just get it for free and then you have it forever. This is part of your subscription. So as long as you have a active subscription, it's like iTunes.
Leo Laporte (01:23:44):
Yeah,
Paul Thurrott (01:23:45):
Yeah, right.
Leo Laporte (01:23:46):
You're buying music on Spotify,
Paul Thurrott (01:23:48):
Right? This week's most confusing and curious news is that Microsoft is rumored, this is not a fact, but is rumored to be switching. It's from their in-house slip space game rendering engine, which they use for developing Halo Infinite to the Unreal Engine, which is what basically the entire industry uses.
Paul Thurrott (01:24:13):
I don't know what to say about this. So I keep referencing this thing from two years ago where Lee and I, in August that year, watched the big event, the big reveal, and it was horrible. And I kept expecting the graphics to explode and be better. They delayed the game a year when it came. I think, I think Halo Infinite looks great and looks fine, I should say it looks true to the history of Halo. I think that maybe that was the point of it. I've been talking some other people about this and one of the suggestions here is that the problem with Slip Space, which is the in-house engine, is that nobody knows how to use it. And so, I dunno if you've been following all the drama with Halo Infinite, but there have been calls to get rid of 3 43 industry.
Paul Thurrott (01:24:52):
There have been some major defections already or people have just left the company. These are the people who are creating Halo now. And I think if they wanna bring an outside talent, one of the stumbling blocks is they use this Slipway engine that nobody knows anything about. And so if they want to attract external talent, they might have to switch to something that everyone understands, which is the unreal engine. So that kind of makes it seem like it could in fact be happening. This would be an unbelievable engineering effort, you know, which is kind of strange. And so we'll see what happens here, but according to some people who seem to know what they're talking about, meaning they have sources, et cetera, and are in credible, its decisions already been decided and this is happening, so we shall see.
Paul Thurrott (01:25:40):
But that would be an amazing, that would be an amazing thing. Also, I just point out one of the people that left aside from the founder of 3 43 was the person who architected the slip slip space game rendering engine as he's gone. So maybe they're moving to a new front. That would be fascinating. First time this has happened, by the way, although it's the first time I can remember this happening after a game has come out, right? Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. So I think Dai Catana might have been a version of a game where they were working on working with, Sorry I don't remember which game or ending they would've gone with, but eventually they went with like the, the quake, the updated version of the, maybe it was the Quake two engine, but it was one of the quake engines they went with eventually.
Paul Thurrott (01:26:22):
One of the many things that led to that game being played. So we'll see. And then finally the Xbox consoles have a feature called Quick Resume. And this is something that Microsoft applies automatically to games which meet a certain spec. So if a game can be quick resumed, what that means is you load a game, you play a game, you go out, you load a different game. And then normally when you go back to that first game, it just kinda loads it as if from scratch. Cuz there's only one game that can be at memory at once or one game that can be ready to roll at once. But Quick Resume allows those things to pick up much more quickly. My understanding is that Quick Resume is automatic. It's not something they engage with the developers with. It just happens or it doesn't.
Paul Thurrott (01:27:03):
But I do know that when it happens, there's nothing you as the user can do to configure it. You may wish that not to happen. And one of the reasons is you, it doesn't quick resume properly. Like you come back and the game state is screwed up. So I actually, I I didn't realize I was seeing this. I actually see this every single day because I play Call of Duty. So if I, if I'm playing Call of Duty and then I go back to some other game, you know, quick resumes, it always says Game Lobby not available anymore. It's not a problem cause I'm playing multiplayer, but if I was playing single player, I would actually have to restart the, not restart the whole campaign. But I mean, you know, I, it's not sitting there waiting for me to just pick up the game again.
Paul Thurrott (01:27:42):
And what Microsoft is apparently going to do, I should say they are testing is the ability for you as the user to go in and configure game by game. Say, I don't want this on this title cuz it doesn't seem like it's working properly. So depending on the games you're playing, that actually could be a huge difference for me. It's not a big deal. It's not, you know, when I come back to call it duty and it's like the game Lobby's no longer available. Of course it's not. I I played yesterday maybe, or I just played another game for a while. It's not a big deal, but, you know, that'd be a good addition, I think. I would like, I'd like to think that they're working with developers to make sure that this works properly, which would be the better approach. But letting you turn it off or turn it on on your own is good too. Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:28:23):
I think it's not unusual for a game not to resume in the right place.
Paul Thurrott (01:28:27):
I, I see it every day, so I just don't think anything of it's true. Then it wasn't until I saw them describe the problem, I was like, Oh, I see that every day. Yeah. Oh, I thought it was normal. It's normal. I thought, I thought it Blue screen every turn time, turn on the computer was normal. It's completely normal. That's what Windows does, right? This green screen and then you use the computer <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:28:44):
Yeah. Like this, the Stockholm Syndrome baby.
Paul Thurrott (01:28:48):
Yep.
Leo Laporte (01:28:50):
All
Paul Thurrott (01:28:50):
Right. Mary Jo, I apologize.
Leo Laporte (01:28:51):
That's all right. It's good. It's okay. It was juicy.
Paul Thurrott (01:28:54):
It was wonderful. Juicy. We gonna talk about language. I don't like words. It's like juicy or tasty. I learned this morning in a tech article that a I can't remember what the product was, but it was some kind of a hardware product. Had a, a hasty, tasty setup screen. A tasty setup screen. I, I literally complained to my wife for 10 minutes, my wife course saying she puts up with this for
Leo Laporte (01:29:14):
A while. Sexy was very popular. And it really does. Journey
Paul Thurrott (01:29:18):
Is really, we're using weird words
Leo Laporte (01:29:20):
Now. They know they can't say sexy anymore, so they have to come up with something else.
Paul Thurrott (01:29:24):
Okay.
Leo Laporte (01:29:26):
It's yummy.
Paul Thurrott (01:29:27):
Yummy. That's a good personality.
Leo Laporte (01:29:29):
<Laugh>, I think Steve Jobs started when he said it was a liable display. <Laugh>,
Paul Thurrott (01:29:35):
I still get weird, like every time I think about that, is it, Do you really wanna do those?
Leo Laporte (01:29:44):
Well, didn't was next. P was it, was it Journalist has described it as Chewy or was Microsoft Call
Paul Thurrott (01:29:51):
Chewy. She's chewy. I described it as a, a sea of blues and greens. Yeah, that's, I lost
Leo Laporte (01:29:58):
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Paul Thurrott (01:33:30):
I think belaboring every update.
Leo Laporte (01:33:32):
<Laugh>. Well that's our job. That's what we do here. Yeah, we're the kings of belaboring
Paul Thurrott (01:33:37):
<Laugh>. So we <laugh>. So a couple of tips we mentioned Ignite is happening. I think we mentioned right, that Ignite is next week. Yep. I have things I'm looking for, right? I've, I've given up thinking there's gonna be anything interesting about Windows. You never know, although Windows 365 interesting. But I'm most interested in Loop and when I look for Loop in the session list, which is now available, that's the tip I should say. I'm sorry. The session catalog for Microsoft Ignite 2022 is now available. There are actually, when you get rid of the different language versions, there's only one major session that involves loop in any way and curiously and have called Windows building what matters most for your business. Starring her buddy Panos pane,
Leo Laporte (01:34:24):
Also Stevie Petit. Right?
Paul Thurrott (01:34:26):
Very genius. Jill. Be fiy, who some reason still killed
Leo Laporte (01:34:29):
This is the one you want to go to. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (01:34:32):
Yeah. I think this is the one. It's short. I think it's only 40 minutes short.
Leo Laporte (01:34:36):
It is. It's very short. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (01:34:37):
But they're gonna cover an interesting range of topics. So Microsoft, a Windows 365 in tune defender teams loop and Surface. So we'll see. We've been waiting for Loop to Happen. Loop of course is this thing that is basically Microsoft's version of notion we'll call it. But it has this componentization to it Loop components will be put into Outlook and Teams and elsewhere throughout Microsoft 365. And I think
Leo Laporte (01:35:04):
It's, it's probably gonna be bet who talks about it, you think or
Paul Thurrott (01:35:09):
About Loop? Oh, I don't know actually, actually would imagine Joe be the, he might be the loop.
Leo Laporte (01:35:13):
I think Bell Theory too.
Paul Thurrott (01:35:15):
Yeah, I think he's kind of in the mi broader Microsoft 365 part of the company these days.
Leo Laporte (01:35:19):
He's still got the hair, so we'll see. He's still really <laugh>
Paul Thurrott (01:35:22):
Still got, he's still a, he's a small town girl. Yeah. Living in a lonely world. So we will see, But that's the one I'm looking for. So look up Microsoft Ignite 2020 22 session catalog is what you're looking for. Yeah. And you can search for the topic you care about, et cetera, et cetera. So mm-hmm. Worth looking at. And what else do I get here? Oh, so last week I mentioned, I've been talking about the Windows 11 field guide. So if you are aro premium member or just a normal member and don't mind using a couple of tokens, you can start checking the book out. So I've started uploading the book to the website. There are, by the time I'm done, I'll be done uploading what I've already written by the end of the week. This takes a long time. I should started this last week. There should be about 30 caps slash articles. Holy
Leo Laporte (01:36:12):
Cap.
Paul Thurrott (01:36:13):
This is,
Leo Laporte (01:36:14):
You're such an overachiever.
Paul Thurrott (01:36:16):
Holy. I did actually, Molly, and I'm afraid to say what I'm about to say next. I'm not going to promise this, but I, this will be like the first version of the book when it comes out in book form soon on Lean Pub. This will equate to this almost exactly. It has some, you know, get to know Windows 11, Install Windows 11, upgrade to Windows 11 and personalized Windows 11 desktop at multitasking Files are the major sections that make up this first part of the book. I, last night I decided, I never really mapped out the rest of it because I, I, I redesigned the book, if you will. So the chap, there were smaller chapters, but there's a lot more of them. And I, in, in part I did it cause I wanted to get it on the web somehow. And now we, you know, now it's on the web. This
Leo Laporte (01:37:01):
Is great. This is so, it makes me glad I'm a premium member. This is fantastic. So really nice night.
Paul Thurrott (01:37:07):
I stupidly spent about 30 minutes saying, well what, what will the rest of the book look like? And I wanna be very clear about this. I'm not, I am not promising this, but this part of the book is probably, I forgot now, it's about a, no, it's 200 I think. I wanna say it's 200. Anything, I think it's 208 pages. But it's here's the thing. The rest of the book, if it goes according to plan is gonna be roughly 80 more chapters slash articles. So this is approximately, holy
Leo Laporte (01:37:40):
Moly,
Paul Thurrott (01:37:41):
Not quite a quarter of it,
Leo Laporte (01:37:43):
I guess. Holy cow Ball <laugh>, you're big prolific. Well,
Paul Thurrott (01:37:47):
So, so back in the day, but when books were books and they were printed on paper the, the Windows Secrets books used to be about a thousand pages long. Yeah. And so this is tracking to be about roughly the same length. It's, it's a, it's kind of a comprehensive reference. I, when I move to digital publishing, I kind of, I, I think the Windows 10 field guide is possibly four to 500, some maybe 500 pages somewhere in there. But I want the way this, it's just kind of, you know, it's been like, where's this book? How come it's not happening? What's going on? It's like, well I, there's a lot of it, you know, it's been kind of a big thing. So anyway, if you've been waiting for the book version of it, that is coming soon. I just talked to RA about this.
Paul Thurrott (01:38:28):
We're get this going in the next couple of days. It will be the same rough content. Like I said, it's not all on the site yet. I still have I think four more chapters in multitasking. And then there's three chapters so far. But that we'll be more later in the file section as well. So there'll be about 30 chapters, like I said in the first release. And that will be the first release of the book as well. Anyway, it's real. And there it is. So if you were doubting that it was ever gonna happen, <affirmative>, it happens and take a look. It happened with a bang. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Very exciting. Okay. Yeah, it's nice to kind of get it outta the way cuz I've been kind of having a procrastination slash sis problem. <Laugh>. Well, it's the only thing keeping you from moving to Mexico.
Paul Thurrott (01:39:11):
So yeah, let's get going. Yeah, that's happening. All right, so there's that. Yeah. So as far as the apps, I, I have two apps as well. One of the many things that Microsoft promised last year when it announced in then released Windows 11 was something called the HDR Calibration app. It never happened. But this week actually today I believe they quietly released it to the Windows store. So it's a, it's a, it's a Windows store app that only runs on Windows 11. It provides three different calibration made what do you call them? Like designs or patterns. Patterns, Thank you. <Laugh>, what's the word I'm looking for? Patterns. And it allows you to test the different aspects of HDR and then, you know, configure HDR both for your screen if your eyes essentially. So that is available now.
Paul Thurrott (01:39:56):
If you were waiting for that, I thought it was gonna be delivered as part of Windows 11, but I guess there, you know, it's a separate, That's fine. And then for those people are into VI Valdi, which is one of the other Chian based web browsers. They just release version 5.5 on desktop. There's two big features. There's a bunch of features. But the two big things here to me are the new task panel, which is part of their sidebar, which is like their to-do thing, right? Of course. Supports due date, repetition locations, there, all this stuff you would expect. And also natively supports snap layouts, which led me to an interesting question that I can't answer, which is I didn't think that you needed to do anything as an app developed as a developer to support snap layouts, which is the Windows 11 feature.
Paul Thurrott (01:40:34):
That's part of 22 H two, where you move a window around a pain appears at the top, and then it gives you the the panel with the different layout possibilities and you can drag it into the, the pain where you want it to go, and then you snap assist to put the other ones in place. I thought that was kind of automatic, so I'm not really sure what, I don't know what they did to enable this feature. I assumed it worked before. But anyway, it's in there. So if you use Vivaldi check for updates, you have a new update,
Leo Laporte (01:41:03):
Okay. That's
Paul Thurrott (01:41:04):
What I
Leo Laporte (01:41:04):
Got. Very exciting. There is an old saying that no program is truly done until it has an email client Vivaldi,
Paul Thurrott (01:41:12):
Well, Vivaldi has an email
Leo Laporte (01:41:13):
Putting lie to that because they keep adding more crap feed reader. It is the most they've got to do bloated. I mean, I guess if you want your browser to do everything, this is the one for you. Oh,
Paul Thurrott (01:41:24):
By the way, if you looked at, well, you just looked at Edge, Look at the Edge. Sidebar, same
Leo Laporte (01:41:27):
Thing. This's this
Paul Thurrott (01:41:28):
Integration, right? An
Leo Laporte (01:41:30):
Edge, it's a trend going on
Paul Thurrott (01:41:31):
Here. It's an operating system,
Leo Laporte (01:41:33):
You know, I guess that's really what it is. Yeah.
Paul Thurrott (01:41:36):
Yeah. That's what it feels like.
Leo Laporte (01:41:37):
Mary Jo Foley Enterprise pick time.
Mary Jo Foley (01:41:42):
Yeah. This is actually more of a consumer pick. But it's still semi, semi in
Leo Laporte (01:41:48):
Your lane, Foley.
Mary Jo Foley (01:41:50):
I know. I, I don't know. I don't, after I put it in there, I'm like, actually this isn't an enterprise type. That's, that's a line I think people will care who listen to the show. This is about Microsoft 365 personal and home. It, oh, sorry. It's called Personal and Family these days. Personal and family. Or if you use the Defender for Individual's product, you are now getting for free from Microsoft and Identity Theft monitoring service as part of your subscription. So when you peel back the covers, you find out Experie, Experian is the one providing this, and Microsoft's working with them to provide it. They'll be able to mon help you monitor email addresses, passwords, your social security number, driver's license, passport numbers, all the usual stuff. My question though is I don't know how many people remember the big Experie Experian breach a year or so ago. I, I remember because I ended up freezing my credit to make sure I wasn't affected by it. You mean
Leo Laporte (01:42:51):
Equifax? So it makes Equifax.
Mary Jo Foley (01:42:53):
Yeah. I I think Experian, I ended up,
Leo Laporte (01:42:56):
They had a breach too. Well, I, yeah, I froze everybody. It's no good to freeze one. Freeze 'em all. Yeah,
Mary Jo Foley (01:43:01):
Yeah. No, I froze everything. Oh,
Leo Laporte (01:43:02):
Yeah. Experie, Experian had a breach too. Wow.
Mary Jo Foley (01:43:04):
Yeah. So I was like, ah, you know, I'm sure everything is good now, but it also kind of makes me leery when I hear about these services and I'm like, Do I wanna enable this or don't I wanna enable this?
Leo Laporte (01:43:14):
Right. Well, the bad news is they already have have everything They already know. They already
Mary Jo Foley (01:43:18):
Have all
Leo Laporte (01:43:19):
Your
Paul Thurrott (01:43:19):
Data is the this is the Jack and Box roll. Remember when people were getting sick or dying from meeting a jack box? Yeah. Like, I think right after that, that was probably the safest place in the world to eat. So <laugh>,
Mary Jo Foley (01:43:29):
You know, that's, that's maybe it is maybe experience.
Leo Laporte (01:43:32):
That's why I get my su at the gas station over here. That's the <laugh>. That's right.
Mary Jo Foley (01:43:37):
I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm just being over cautious, but I, I feel like Microsoft is working with them, so they've decided they're trustworthy on this. And it gives you all kinds of monitoring capabilities around the clock built right into your subscriptions. So you might wanna check it out and see if it's something you wanna take advantage of.
Leo Laporte (01:43:54):
Yeah. Why not? What could possibly go wrong?
Mary Jo Foley (01:43:56):
What possibly could go wrong. Yeah. Nothing
Leo Laporte (01:43:59):
<Laugh>. I'm doing it now. <Laugh>.
Mary Jo Foley (01:44:01):
All right. Nice. And then I added another enterprise pick. I don't know if this made it into everyone's show notes, but I remember Paul a couple of weeks ago was talking about how he was getting a lot of mail and comments from people who said they didn't like that their cheese had been moved with Outlook on the web. Like they, they're like, they're moving where the buttons are and the ribbons are, and like, what the heck is going on? And I got a few tweets from people who are mad. Well, <laugh> one of the people who tweeted me that he did not like those changes. Kyle Wilcox, he just told me this week that, by the way, if you go into the message center in Microsoft 365, there's a new note that says we're updating the locations on some of our buttons and, and compose pieces on Outlook on the web. So they're basically putting 'em back to where they were for the most part. See how they move, Send down lower on the page. And a lot of people are like, I don't, I don't like that. I always look up top for my send button. Sounds like they're gonna move it back at least for some subset of customers. So if you're someone who was not happy about that cheese being moved, maybe your cheese is going to be moved back to where it was. Stay tuned.
Leo Laporte (01:45:12):
<Laugh>. Hallelujah.
Mary Jo Foley (01:45:13):
Hallelujah. Your
Leo Laporte (01:45:14):
Chief loves your feedback
Mary Jo Foley (01:45:16):
Prepared. <Laugh>. You know what, this gives me hope that sometimes they listen to people's feedback when people are really angry and upset and you know, they give a reason. Like, we wanna make everything uniform. This is why we're making a change in the ui. And then they see some people say, No, I, this is, no, I don't want that. So then they change all the UIs to make them all uniform in a different way. Right.
Leo Laporte (01:45:38):
Well we were talking about muscle memory. I mean, you really do get used to clicking that send button.
Mary Jo Foley (01:45:43):
No, I know. The other day I was on Outlook on the web and I I was like, Where is the send button on? Honestly, I can't
Leo Laporte (01:45:48):
Find, That's so annoying. Yeah. Yeah. So good.
Mary Jo Foley (01:45:51):
It may be fixed, it may be fixed. Stay tuned. The wording is very microsofty and that there's all these like outs, possible outs for changing things back, but it looks like it could be a good
Leo Laporte (01:46:03):
Thing. Nice. Yep. And a little blast from the past kids. Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (01:46:10):
We just brought up last week, where was Steve Balmer. <Laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:46:14):
Yes.
Mary Jo Foley (01:46:15):
Right. And so Brian Hall, who used to work at Microsoft had just posted this video clip, I think from a very recent appearance by Steve, which I don't know if you can play it on the show. I,
Leo Laporte (01:46:26):
I, well, I see no reason not to. I don't think it's gonna get us taken down.
Mary Jo Foley (01:46:32):
It's pretty good. It gives you, it makes us all remember why we missed Steve Bomb
Leo Laporte (01:46:36):
<Laugh>, ladies and gentlemen. Not that you needed it. Here is why we missed I, Steve,
Steve Ballmer (01:46:46):
I so excited in my hometown. Seattle.
Leo Laporte (01:46:55):
Are they boo him? He's a clipper zone?
Mary Jo Foley (01:46:57):
No, they're cheer him. Cause he's in Seattle.
Steve Ballmer (01:47:00):
So excited to see this tonight.
Leo Laporte (01:47:08):
People are laughing, but they're all like,
Mary Jo Foley (01:47:11):
Who is this <laugh>?
Leo Laporte (01:47:13):
They're all, I presume super sonics
Steve Ballmer (01:47:15):
Fans, Blazers.
Paul Thurrott (01:47:17):
Why is Uncle Fester so
Leo Laporte (01:47:19):
Upset?
Steve Ballmer (01:47:19):
<Laugh> A wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Blazers.
Leo Laporte (01:47:24):
The Blazers
Mary Jo Foley (01:47:26):
For Blazers versus the Clippers
Leo Laporte (01:47:28):
In Seattle.
Paul Thurrott (01:47:30):
Paul Allen bought the Blazers at one point. Yeah,
Leo Laporte (01:47:32):
But I don't understand why this is Seattle. Doesn't the
Leo Laporte (01:47:35):
Blazers
Paul Thurrott (01:47:35):
Play important? Well, I think, no, I think he means the the, So the arena has been, this is where the Seattle Climate
Leo Laporte (01:47:40):
Pledge Arena. Yeah, yeah,
Paul Thurrott (01:47:42):
Yeah. So this is, in other words, this arena was just completely refurbished. So they're doing a, I don't know why they're playing a Clippers
Mary Jo Foley (01:47:51):
Blazers
Leo Laporte (01:47:51):
Game.
Paul Thurrott (01:47:52):
Blazers game there, but they are
Leo Laporte (01:47:54):
Okay. And yeah, The Blazers was Paul Allen's
Paul Thurrott (01:47:57):
It wasn't Paul. Did Paul Allen play any role in the the new stadiums they built for the football and
Leo Laporte (01:48:03):
Oh, probably for this Seahawks? Sure. Oh yeah.
Paul Thurrott (01:48:05):
I think, yeah. So this, this,
Leo Laporte (01:48:07):
This is climate pleasure. Arena is something Yeah. It's, it's beautiful. So
Mary Jo Foley (01:48:10):
That's nice. It just made me miss him when I saw this, cuz I'm like, remember those days? Like what have you thought of him? Stick out. He's still the same guy. <Laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:48:16):
He's the same guy.
Paul Thurrott (01:48:18):
Wow. Thought I miss him so much.
Leo Laporte (01:48:20):
Do you
Mary Jo Foley (01:48:21):
<Laugh>?
Paul Thurrott (01:48:21):
Oh, by God. Listen, this guy just displayed more life in one minute. And Saturn Nadela has displayed his entire lifetime.
Leo Laporte (01:48:29):
<Laugh>. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (01:48:32):
It's, he's, he's an acquired taste <laugh>.
Paul Thurrott (01:48:35):
Well, they both are in a way. But I mean, he's so cares. He cares. But what I'll never know. But he is, he's really
Leo Laporte (01:48:44):
Passionate about something. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> he is. And that's, that's bottom line. You know what I often say when I have a beer is I wish this beer had more anchovy
Mary Jo Foley (01:48:57):
<Laugh>. Doesn't everyone say that? Yeah.
Leo Laporte (01:49:01):
It seems like Mary Jo has a solution.
Mary Jo Foley (01:49:03):
I do. There is a new hop in town, people called the Anchovy Hop.
Leo Laporte (01:49:09):
Oh, it's a hop, thank goodness.
Mary Jo Foley (01:49:11):
Showing up on more and more beers.
Leo Laporte (01:49:13):
Oh, thank God. Okay.
Mary Jo Foley (01:49:15):
It's funny because you're like, wait, anchovy hop and a beer. Okay, well the good news is there's no anchovy in anchovy hops. Yeah. it's just a name. Yeah. I had a beer this week, Other half in Brooklyn makes a beer called Anchovy Rosa. So
Leo Laporte (01:49:33):
There's fish and cars in this beer rolling
Paul Thurrott (01:49:36):
Map on the branding area.
Leo Laporte (01:49:37):
Yeah.
Mary Jo Foley (01:49:37):
It's kind of, I'm like, okay. And what, So the description on the, on the chalkboard said Watermelon Jolly Ranchers. And I said to the guy, I want no parts of that. God no. Nope. And he goes, No, it doesn't taste anything like that. I don't know who, what crazy person wrote that, but hey, here have some. And it totally did not taste like watermelon or, or totally.
Leo Laporte (01:49:57):
Does this taste like fish and Ferrari then? What? Did
Mary Jo Foley (01:49:59):
No. Okay. No, but but it had a very savory taste, which was very interesting. Cause a lot of hops and IPAs have very, like citrusy or Melanie. Yeah, maybe that's
Leo Laporte (01:50:09):
What they was call it Inch chs. A
Mary Jo Foley (01:50:11):
Little, a little smoked. It's a bit I, I can't quite describe it, but it was very savory. Very interesting. They put it in their, their one of their IPAs. And I think if you're into beers and you're kind of getting sick of the old citrusy root you know, everything tastes like stone fruit, Citrus melon. Try. If you see anything with an anchovy hop, try it because it's a very new interesting, more saving
Leo Laporte (01:50:36):
Anchovies with your pizza.
Mary Jo Foley (01:50:37):
The name is terrible.
Leo Laporte (01:50:39):
A picture of a child. <Laugh>
Mary Jo Foley (01:50:40):
No
Leo Laporte (01:50:41):
<Laugh>. Yeah, I know that doesn't really go with a beer, beer pick, but okay. It's
Mary Jo Foley (01:50:46):
Like,
Leo Laporte (01:50:48):
Get it. My Aunt Chs in a balloon animal. I'm here
Mary Jo Foley (01:50:50):
<Laugh>. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's
Leo Laporte (01:50:53):
There's also a picture of cranes for no apparent reason. Maybe untapped has lost its marbles. I
Mary Jo Foley (01:50:59):
Don't know. No, I take, I take weird pictures sometimes when you're like, Do I wanna take another picture of a beer glass and I wanna take
Leo Laporte (01:51:04):
Yeah, you have another picture. Beer. There's a certain sameness in all of the above. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense.
Mary Jo Foley (01:51:10):
That's my guess. But anyway, if you see anything with an anchovy hop as despite this scary name, it's worth a try. It just gives it a more savory quality
Leo Laporte (01:51:18):
Anchovy tester. Rosa. Oh, so maybe it's a Yeah, cuz it's a anchovies are kind of salty. Yeah. Savory Cho gives it a Yeah. And and Ferrari are, are also also very savory. <Laugh>. Yeah. They were
Mary Jo Foley (01:51:30):
Very savory <laugh>.
Leo Laporte (01:51:32):
They should have called it. Call them juicy. I would, But yeah. Juicy. They're juicy. That's it.
Mary Jo Foley (01:51:38):
<Laugh>. Yummy.
Leo Laporte (01:51:39):
Do I understand cars for you? Do you get it? You get it, man. Fantastic. As you know, when we get to the beer, we're here. And it's time to say goodbye to all our family. Both you winners. I'm just gonna say exactly there. And you do me. Yes. <Laugh>. Sunday nights of my childhood. Ah, yeah. Am I see, see you real soon. K y Why? Because we love you. We love you. T h u r r o t t Laboring the points <laugh>. We do Windows Weekly every Wednesday, 11 and Pacific. 2:00 PM Eastern Time, 1800 utc. You can stop by and watch us live, live.Twit.tv club. Twit members can chat about the show along with all their other fun little hobbies in our discord. Of course you have to be a member to be there. That's one of the advantages by the way. They discord. It's, you know, there's a, there's a velvet rope behind, which lurks the fun of the club. If you don't, if you can't get behind the velvet rope, you can be out there in the public with the unwashed masses@irc.Twit.tv, and you know, for some that's more fun, right? To be with the Normies. Who's
Paul Thurrott (01:52:59):
The, who's the bouncer in this scenario? Lisa, who's the
Leo Laporte (01:53:01):
I am the bounce. It's
Paul Thurrott (01:53:02):
The person checking IDs.
Leo Laporte (01:53:03):
You want know really? Aunt Pruitt and man, don't mess with the aunt. I'll tell you what. No. Yep. He's our community manager. AKA bouncer. No, nobody ever gets bounced from Club TWiT cuz nobody wants to pay seven bucks to get kicked out. <Laugh>, right? Oh yeah. Right. That's
Paul Thurrott (01:53:22):
Right. That's why the comp serve stuff was so good back in the day, because people are paid, paid a lot to be on that service. You're not gonna screw around.
Leo Laporte (01:53:28):
Well, we'll see what happens when TWiTtter goes paid should be a big improvement. No, no. Paul Thro, you'll find him@thro.com and yay. The Field Guide to Win is now, if you're a premium member, thro.com, you can get a sneak peak right now@thro.com. And if you're not a premium member, why the hell not? Down the road, the field guide Windows 11 will join the field guide to Windows ten@leanpub.com. We're only, that'd be big. It's gonna be huge, huge. Mary Jo Foley writes for Zd net, her blog address, easy to find all about microsoft.com and together they are the dynamic duo of Windows Ray Portage. We will adjourn for the week back next week. We will have things to talk about because the surface event is that morning. Yeah, that's right. And then Ignite and
Paul Thurrott (01:54:22):
The first day of night. Yeah. So actually all the Ignite NDAs should be done by then. Oh good.
Leo Laporte (01:54:27):
If you can know more about big one and other things, there'll be lots, I think lots to talk about next week. So don't miss episode 7 98 of Windows Weekly. Thanks, Paul. Thanks Mary Jo. I have a great week. We'll see you next week after the Surface event. Bye-Bye.
