Before You Buy 148 (Transcript)
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Leo Laporte: Welcome to
Before You Buy, TWIT’s product review show where we get some of the latest and
greatest stuff. We get it in house, we give it to our team, and they bang on it,
and give us a real world review how it feels to use it. And we’ve got Jason
Howell right here, he produces TWIT, TWiG, MacBreak Weekly, he’s the Host of All About Android, the Host of Android App arena, he’s the man about town, and he’s
carrying the stylish Nexus 9!
Jason Howell: Oh boy, Check this out! This is the HTC
and Google collaboration. The Nexus 9, and yeah! You know, it’s a good tablet, it’s
got issues though. We can talk all about it.
Leo: It’s also the first device we’ve seen
with lollipop!
Jason: It’s the first official device with
lollipop. It’s also the first official 64 bit Nexus device tapping into the 64
bit capabilities of Lollipop. And so, you know, you kind of hope it’s going to
kind of speed things up a little bit, give it a little better management of the
resources, and all that kind of stuff.
Leo: it’s very aesthetically pleasing.
Jason: Yeah, if not a little bit.
Leo: No I was talking about lollipop.
Jason: Oh, lollipop is fantastic.
Leo: I think the look of Lollipop is great.
The Nexus 9 may be a little bit less so.
Jason: Yeah, the Nexus 9. It wouldn’t be a
first for Nexus devices. They’re usually kind of, I don’t want to say basic,
but they don’t necessarily go overboard as far as design notes. But, you know,
one thing about this one, of course, you have the kind
of metal casing around the side. The back is a soft touch plastic. It’s getting
a little bit of heat for the fact that, and you’re not going to see it in this
camera, but it kind of has a little bit of a hollowness in the center. Which
for a tablet that starts at 400 dollars for the 16 gig version.
Leo: You mean you press it and it goes in?
Jason: Yes!
Leo: It’s got a soft spot like a baby?
Jason: Kind of, a little bit.
Leo: Yikes!
Jason: It’s back there. It’s not the worst
thing in the world, I’ve definitely seen worse, but it’s there and for the OCD
people in the world, it might bother you a little bit.
Leo: This is the successor to the Nexus 7s
and Nexus 10s of last year.
Jason: Yes, exactly and this is definitely
different. Those were 7 inch devices. This is an 8.
Leo: 7 and 10, this is in between.
Jason: Right, yes. Exactly. 8.9 inch display.
Leo: Who makes this?
Jason: This is HTC. So this is HTC, HTC has
been out of the tablet game for a long time.
Leo: Yeah, they have.
Jason: Honestly, I think I would have expected
a little bit tighter control over the design for HTC. They’re very known for their design and usually they’re kind of
little tanks.
Leo: Yeah, HTC one is a gorgeous phone. I
would have loved to seen a tablet based on that design.
Jason: I don’t hate the design here, and the
body, the kind of flexing in the back doesn’t bother me that much, particularly
in use. It is a little heavy, but…
Leo: Was HTC constrained by the price? Was
this a low cost tablet?
Jason: I wouldn’t say it is low cost. I would
actually say it’s pretty close to premium versus the competition. $400 for 16
gigs, $479 for 32 gig. That’s what this model is.
Leo: Oh, its IPad cost.
Jason: Yes, exactly. And
eventually a $599 for a 32 gig with LTE. And you’ve got a 2.3 gigahertz In-video Tegra K1 duel core processor.
Leo: This is the new K1. The
64 bit K one.
Jason: Yes. Exactly. So you know, it’s pretty fast. I would definitely say though
there are sometimes when I’d go to do things and I’d get a little bit of
choppiness, jitteriness. And I don’t know if that’s just inherently an Android
at this point, because I’m always hopping for things like that to go away, but
more or less it’s pretty snappy. But every once in a while things will kind of
jitter around.
Leo: It feels decent. How high resolution of
screen is it? Is it pretty high res of screen?
Jason: Yeah! 4240 By 1532. That’s 281 pixels
per inch.
Leo: Okay, so that can slow it down a little
bit. That’s a lot of pixels to shove around.
Jason: Yeah, exactly. Not QHD necessarily. So
at least there’s that. But to my eyes, pixel wise, everything looks super
sharp.
Leo: Yeah.
Jason: It has an 8 megapixel rear facing
camera, back here. I kind of like the chrome styling around the camera. Pretty unimpressive camera performance. Yet again, my complaints
with tablet cameras is that, you know, A. I don’t take a lot of pictures with
my tablet, but B. they just generally come out kind of washed out. A little
hard to get a nice fully sharp focused picture, and
this tablet is kind of no different. This is the Veterans Day parade.
Leo: Earlier today.
Jason: Earlier today I went for a little walk with
the tablet. But, you know, having said that…
Leo: Is it clean? It feels like there’s a
smudge at the top of the lens. Is it clean? Look at the back there? It’s a
smudge! Either that or it’s a really crappy camera, its terrible!
Jason: Hard to say, I didn’t see a whole lot
down there.
Leo: Nice lion.
Jason: That was a picture on the side, I decided not to buy that. But somebody else is going
to end up with that picture of the lion. Yeah, so camera, kind of unimpressed.
Oh hey! I know that guy!
Leo: What’s Zach doing?
Jason: Oh he’s just pushing buttons like he
usually does.
Leo: Is he doing the PCA broadcast for the
TV out there? I think he is.
Jason: I believe he is. But you can see in
general, kind of washed out. Not really vibrant. This is kind of a close of up
flowers.
Leo: It looks terrible.
Jason: Not really that impressive.
Leo: That always looks good though. Every
camera looks good with that picture. See how that’s smudged up there. It feels
like it might be smudged. But you say it’s not! That’s just not good! It
doesn’t handle the bright light from above.
Jason: No, and you know, a little bit of
motion blur, this is front facing good light, front facing bad light.
Leo: That’s actually a better camera. Oh
yeah, a lot of grain.
Jason: That was pretty low light in my living
room so. As far as, we’ve kind of talked a little bit about the device design itself. It is one of the first, if not the first android
tablet to be in 4.3 like the IPad. And personally, I actually really like the
4.3 aspect ratio on a tablet. I think it, it just kind of matches. Kind of like
holding a sheet of paper, you know what I mean? Versus the super tall slender
device which is what we’ve had in Android tablets a lot.
Leo; Like the Nexus 7, which is just so tall, because it’s 16.9.
Jason: Now, the down side to that, of course,
is if you’re using this to watch a movie.
Leo: It was good for video, yeah.
Jason: So let’s go in to play movies.
Leo: You’re going to have title bars.
Jason: Yeah, you’re going to have a little bit
of title bars, but doesn’t really bug me because back
in the days of laser disks this was just the way.
Leo: That still looks good, you know.
Jason: It does. And it might be hard to point
this out on video, but you can see on the edges, this might seem like nit-picking.
The LCD panel has this kind of edge bleed that in certain, when you have
certain things on the display really show themselves.
Leo: Oh look at that! You can see it there
dramatically! It’s almost like a 3D bezel or effect.
Jason: It’s pretty significant. All LCD panels
have a little bit of this. This one, and I’ve seen it in a lot of reviews, has
it a lot and I think where it falls apart is, this is considered relatively
premium tablet, so when it has issues like that you kind of wonder if they
didn’t do their homework before pushing it out. Same with the back that kind of
bows in a little bit. Collects a lot of fingerprints on the
back, but again, that doesn’t really bother me. If you have the black
casing you’re probably going to see it a little bit more. What else? Heat, if
you’re playing games, I’ve played quite a few games on this, and it does a
really good job of the processor does a great job playing these games, like
Road racing three, and everything like that. But the tablet actually gathers a
lot of heat while you’re doing that. And sometimes if you’re playing a game
that has a lot of touch screen controls, like you’re dragging your finger over
it a lot, you feel that heat through the screen. So that can kind of get a
little annoying, but everything has a little bit of heat so I guess it’s not
the end of the world. As for lollipop, Lollipop is fantastic. It has a lot of
really great features. Multiuser guest mode.
Leo: that’s the thing that’s interesting. So
you have this set up for yourself. But you have a guest mode, which is kind of like
the traditional guest mode, and then kind of a company mode.
Jason: Yeah, which I’m not even using my TWiT
Demo account for whatever reason, but yes, you can set up these profiles.
Leo: It’s easy to swap one to another?
Jason: Yeah, it’s pretty easy.
Leo: So if you gave it to a kid would you
use the guest mode and anything they do gets wiped out
kind of?
Jason: See I just switched over to…
Leo: Oh look at that.
Jason: … my TWiT demo mode.
Leo: That’s neat.
Jason: Its own sandbox. All the apps are
completely isolated.
Leo: It’s completely different.
Jason: Although they’re only installed once,
so if I install an app on one side, and I go to install it here it’s not going
to actually download and install it a second time, it’s just going to clear that
app to work on both sides, so you save your storage space that way. So that’s
kind of nice. Material design, product voltage, its battery management, and I
found the battery to be pretty great on this, gaming would slow it down of course,
but in regular use I found the battery to be super sufficient. They rate it
around 9 hours for that. Yeah, and, you know, it’s a Nexus device.
Leo: What does that mean?
Jason: Generally it means you’re going to get
speedy updates direct from Google. Speedy is kind of up in the air right now,
because as we were talking about before the show, the Moto X 2014 edition is
already getting Lollipop soak tests. And that’s before any of the other Nexus
devices have received it yet. So there’s a little bit kind of a brewing tension
going on with Nexus fans that are like, “Hey! This is a Nexus device, we’re supposed to get it first!” But I think
ultimately it’s a good thing for everybody if these updates come faster. And yeah.
Leo: I mean, it has lollipop on it right
now, and I guess because it’s nexus it’s pure lollipop, there’s nothing else on
there.
Jason: That’s right. There’s no extra added
apps that aren’t part of Googles basic, you know, standard approach for
Android. So it keeps it really stripped down and basic, and you know if you
like Matias Dortea and his influence you’re going to
like this. That’s exactly what it’s all about, so that’s kind of the Nexus 9,
76700 milliamp hour battery. I already said it’s rated at nine hours, but for
you spec folks out there, there you go. Ultimately, I can give you the pros and
cons if you’d like to hear them.
Leo: Yes! No I don’t want to hear those,
move on. Yes please!
Jason: Alright, next product. Okay, so I really
like lollipop on the device, of course. 64 bit Intel is fantastic as well.
Leo: Can you tell really? 64 bit you can?
Jason: What’s that?
Leo: 64 bit, you can tell the difference?
Jason: Here’s how I feel about 64 bit. It’s
early, obviously. And it’s hard to know for sure, whether you can actually see
any sort of improvement from OS or not, but the OS is 64 bit so you might as well
have something that’s capable of doing 64 bit.
Leo: Here’s my opinion. Because I don’t
think 64 bit is in any way an improvement, except for one thing. You can do
more memory. But no tablet yet is doing more than 3 gigs. And that’s only got
two. So I think that in a way, 64 bit could actually slow you down because the registers
are larger, you’re dealing with things in bigger chunks. It speeds you up in
some things, it doesn’t speed you up in other things.
Jason: I just want it all Leo.
Leo: It’s bigger number.
Jason: If it’s capable, I want it.
Leo: I don’t think 64 bit is going to be a
reason to buy a tablet for some time.
Jason: I completely agree. And
some apps…
Leo: When we start seeing 5 and 6 and 7
gigs.
Jason: There’s some incompatibility on apps
I’ve discovered with this.
Leo: That’s the other side of it.
Jason: I have to imagine that’s partially due
to the 64 bit.
Leo: And lollipop I imagine is part of the
issue too.
Jason: And that’s all going to iron itself
out. I wouldn’t ding that against the Nexus 9. The battery I found pretty
great. Nexus of course, equals fast updates, so that’s great. As far as the
cons are concerned, I think the light bleed in the display is something that’s
going to turn some people off. Particularly in this price
point.
Leo: Now that you pointed it out, I see it!
Jason: Yeah, that’s the thing, once you pointed it out it’s hard to unsee. The
hollow design is going to turn some people off as well. The camera, you can’t
deny that the camera isn’t that fantastic. And I think just in general, this is
one of the first nexus tablets definitely in a while, and possibly ever, that’s
priced around the same premium levels as the competition. So you really expect
the fit and finish to be up and elevated for that
cost. I don’t know if it’s necessarily there with this. So I…
Leo: Buy, try, don’t buy?
Jason: I have to say it’s a try. I don’t think
it’s a bad tablet, I just don’t think it’s a no brainer.
Leo: Are they still selling the old ones,
the Nexus 7 and 10? That’s what I would buy!
Jason: I don’t think they are anymore. I think
the Nexus 7 is done. I could be wrong on that but I feel like I heard that.
Leo: I don’t think I’m alone on this,
because I have a Nexus 7, I felt no urge to buy the Nexus 9.
Jason: Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a
great tablet, I’m happy to have it, I’ll definitely
use it and everything. I just don’t think it’s a no-brainer. Other Nexus
tablets have been a no brainer.
Leo: There are other good choices.
Jason: Do you see them on there? Nope!
Leo: They took it off.
Jason: Nexus 7 is gone.
Leo: So I guess this is the tablet of the
future.
Jason: This is for the foreseeable future. As far as official Google tablets…
Leo: Will you use this going forward as your
go to tablet for All About Android? I think so,
because it’s pure google.
Jason: Yes, exactly. And I have a, it has slim
port capabilities so I can also use it to demonstrate apps on Android App
arena.
Leo: But I have to say as a user of the
Nexus 7 I feel no urgency to upgrade. I’m getting everything I need with the 7.
Jason: I think you’re okay with that. They’re
going to get Lollipop.
Leo: Yeah, right. And it’s swift and happy.
Jason Howell, he hosts All about Android, and Android App arena. He’s an expert
on Android, and the Go to guy when it comes to Android devices. Thank you.
Jason: Cool. Thank you.
Leo: I appreciate it. Coming up in just a
bit we’re going to get a loud alarm from Chad on the Skylink Net alarm system.
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Jason: Two up thumbs.
Leo: Two up thumbs. Two fingers up!
Jason: That could go wrong real quick!
Leo: Hey, let’s get Chad Johnson, the old
redhead in here, he’s going to take a look at a home alarm
system. The Skylink net alarm system starter kit. Chad.
Chad
Johnson: Hello! My name is Chad, I’m with TWiT and Before You Buy, and today
I’m reviewing a Smart Home security kit. This one is from Skylink. The model
number on this is SK200. What you get in this kit is you get a Skylink home
hub. You also get two door sensors, and you also get one remote, as well as a
motion sensor. And, of course, all the cables to make sure that it hooks up to your houses internet. This is the home hub. It’s
pretty simple, on the front of it there are four
buttons. And also a lock button, and then there is this, which I assume is the
speaker. Because it has an alarm feature and it’ll make a
really, really loud noise. On the back you have an option to add extra
batteries, which I have not. So it’s plugged into the wall. And there’s also
the direct, current in, and Ethernet out. It gives you an Ethernet, and
currently there’s no way for this to be wireless. So it’s hooked directly into
my router. Which is one of the reasons we’re using this
location to shoot it, because my router is also plugged into the wall. There’s really no way I can show it all working without being right next to the
router. So that could be an inconvenience for you. Let’s take a look at some of
the other things and here’s the remote. It has four buttons, a lock, an unlock, a home, and an alarm feature. And I ripped this
off of my back door, my sliding glass door. This is what the door sensor looks
like. It’s very simple, just like any other door sensor, when it moves away,
when the two pieces move away it activates so that it knows, I just got a buzz.
Got a push notification on my phone that the door opened and now that it’s
closed. So all of this is managed through their Skylink app. Skylink Net is the
app that you’ll be using. Skylink is a company that is known for garage door
openers, and so you may have heard that name in the past. This is what the app
looks like. It’s fairly simple. You just get a grid off all of the different
sensors and things that you have connected into the hub. The general feeling of
the app that you have to use in order to set everything up is that it is very
buggy and not put together well at all. There’s many times when menus would
fall off the page, or, like, buttons to move on to the next thing would just
fall off of the phone. Which you couldn’t scroll to look at. It just looked like that was some sort of design. There was lots of times where the app would time out, and I wasn’t able to complete
actions that I wanted. There was one feature that is just absolutely broken. I
don’t know how to fix it. Right now it thinks that the back door is open.
Although this is the sensor for the back door, and I’m looking at it, and it is
closed. The moment that I move the other part of the sensor away, I’m just
going to drop it in my lap, it now thinks that the back door is closed! Even though it’s obviously open. The easiest way to remedy
this is for me to go into the settings for that device. Click on learn, so it
can learn it again, but every time I do the app crashes. Or it doesn’t crash
but it says it’s timed out, that’s an invalid entry, there’s just absolutely no
way to do it. Anytime these devices get activated, currently the default is
that it’ll send you a push notification. Which can get
annoying pretty fast, if say you’re moving or grabbing groceries or something,
and you come back to your phone and now there’s 20 push notifications that the
doors have opened and closed, they’re activated and now they’re normal. But you can change that on a per device setting if you want. Now it also has a
feature of basically what you would expect from a monthly service. Where you
can set away times, or you can set that you’re leaving your house, and that it
activates everything. And if someone was to enter your house, it’ll give them a
count down before an alarm goes off. And the alarm. Jesus Christ! That’s really, really loud! I
can activate it from the app, it’s very simple. I can hit arm home, or I can
arm that it’s going to go away, or I can slide to panic. Which
will set off the alarm. As you heard, very loud! And that’s probably,
that’s like my favorite feature is that if it does go off, my neighbors will
most likely be like what the heck is that sound? Seriously go turn it off.
Another neat feature is that you don’t just have to have the app on your phone,
or the remote, you can also give someone a code and you can set the code up in
the app to type into the front of the hub. So for the pros
and cons on the Skylink alarm system starter kit. For the pros, I’m
going to give that the alarm is very, very loud. And I like the fact that you
can add a code to the physical device that is in the house, no app required.
For the cons, I’m going to say I didn’t really enjoy the app, it felt buggy, it
felt very horribly designed. I also didn’t like the fact that I didn’t feel
confident in the pieces of technology that I had around the house. I really
felt like it was going to break at any second! This cost 149 dollars, so $150,
and that includes everything. So buy, try, don’t buy
for the Skylink Alarm System starter kit. I’m going to give this a don’t buy. That’s been my review, thanks so much for
watching, you can catch Before You Buy at twit.tv/byb.
See you next time! Bye!
Leo: Alright there you go. Chad Johnson thank you for the review. You can catch Chad at OMGcraft. Youtube.com/omgchad,
and you can also support him, and I encourage you to do that. He’s got a patreon. Patreon.com/omgchad. And you’ll of course, see him Thursdays on Gizwhiz and here almost every week with product reviews on Before You Buy. Before we
get, no actually let’s do this now! And then we’ll do, still to come we’ve got
the Braven Bluetooth speaker with Shannon Morse, and I’m’ going to take a look
at the Droid turbo, but Mike Elgan is here our news director and host of TNT
Monday thru Friday, 10 am pacific, 1 PM eastern time. 1900
UTC. Your daily dose of tech news. And he has
the last, it’s funny we’ve been saying Nokia Lumia. People say its Microsoft
now. This one is still branded Nokia.
Mike Elgan:
That’s right. The last of the red hot Nokia’s. This
was announced September 4th. The first Microsoft non Nokia Lumia was
announced today, basically! That was on the news this morning. But this is an
interesting phone, very interesting phone.
Leo: It’s still, its windows phone. .
Mike: Oh yeah, its windows phone 8.1. It’s 99 bucks with a two year AT&T contract. 450 unlocked.
This comes with a free Fitbit flex, believe it or not.
Leo: that’s a good deal.
Mike: Yeah, it’s a good deal. I’d rather have
the Microsoft band because it’s newer, but there it is! Yeah, it’s a really
interesting price, and it’s interesting for people outside the US in a couple
of countries because this brings Cortana to Australia, India and Canada.
Leo: That’s the speech recognition system.
Mike: That’s right. It’s the Siri like, or
Google now like, virtual assistant, so they’ll be looking forward to that. It’s
essentially a reimagining of the Lumia icon, its thinner, and it’s a very nice
phone. Let’s just go through the hardware a little bit, the first thing you
notice about this, you think it’s a mid-range, or maybe a low end to midrange
phone. But it feels like a high end phone because this is all metal. This whole
rim around the outside is metal. There’s some plastic
pieces here for the antenna and, of course there’s this Nokia style thing on
the back. This retina searing green also has black and white and orange. But
this will burn your eyes forever.
Leo: that’s bright.
Mike: Yeah, and if you’re on a desert island
and you need to be rescued this will do it pretty much. This particular one
came with both the green and the black. I went with the green because it’s just
so insane.
Leo: Well there’s no confusing it with any
other phone I guess.
Mike: Not at all. So this is an interesting
material. It’s a polycarbonate, of course, it’s similar to the other Lumia
phones, but it’s very kind of grippy. But not too grippy. It’s really
nice, I like it a lot. So the screen on this is a weak spot. We have to mention
that it’s a five inch IPS display, right. So one of the things I want to show
here, and I’ve verified that this is showable here. So, like a lot of phones,
this screen in general goes toward the yellow side. The whites are off, they’re sort of yellow, orange. Some people described
it as off in other ways. But it is off.
Leo: That seems to be a symptom of IPS
displays.
Mike: It is, but watch it turn. It’s almost brown, to blue.
Leo: Yeah, it’s ugly.
Mike: And if you look at it straight on, you
can never get a good clean white. And that kind of bugs me. The screen is a
weak spot on this. A strong point is the camera. So this is a 10 megapixel pure
view rear camera sensor, and it’s a great camera. One of the things I like
about this whole platform, is the fact that you have this incredible manual
controls. Now if you were to go head to head with an iPhone with this, the
automatic controls, even though it’s a lower resolution, with the IPhone is a
lower resolution, the IPhone would probably take better pictures. But look at
this.
Leo: Look at that. I love this.
Mike: With a Nokia camera. You can set this, if you’re like a super lower light situation you can
set the shutter speed to 4 seconds. You have to have a tripod, or some sort of
stabilization.
Leo: But that fact that you have
capabilities is amazing.
Mike: I just love this.
Leo: Same thing with the ISO. With the, can
you set the aperture? Yeah you can set
the aperture.
Mike: Yeah, you can set all this stuff.
Leo: It’s like a manual camera!
Mike: So the combination of this app, plus
the quality of the camera, means that this is a great camera. Usually a camera with a great screen. You know, great screens
and great cameras more or less go together. This has a lousy screen but a great
camera, so if you’re into photography, if you’re a photography nerd, this is
actually a really nice camera in this sort of mid-range price range.
Leo: I think all the Lumia’s this is the 8.1
camera. The Zion camera so its’ really nice.
Mike: It’s very good. Now the front facing
camera is lousy. Its .9 megapixels, so this is a blast from the past. You don’t
want to use it basically.
Leo: You know why? Because
they have another one that’s the selfie camera.
Mike: Yeah, go buy that one if you want to
take selfies. So it’s a mixed bag in that regard. Of course, video is terrible
on this. It’s kind of laggy and you’re not going to
get really super good video. It maxes out at 1080 P, but it’s a very slow sort
of video. Okay so it’s 16 gigabytes of storage. It’s the minimum and the maximum, it’s the only amount of storage you can get so if
you’re into lots of storage, this is not the phone for you.
Leo: How much is free, do you know? Because
after the windows phone and system, because the windows phone…
Mike: I don’t know, but typically windows
phone takes up a bit, so a gig and a half. So you’re not going to get all 16.
Leo: Less than 16 available.
Mike: It has the Microsoft sensor core
pedometer and NFC built in, it’s got an easily accessible micro SD slot. You
have to peel off this, it’s easy to peel off and put back on, I’m not going to
do it now.
Leo: That’s nice though, I like that. Can
you take the battery out?
Mike: You can take the battery out. It’s a
220 milliamp per hour battery and it’s swappable. So if you like to swap
batteries, it’s nice and a good battery, you don’t need to swap it, you’ll get
more than a day of normal use. So the battery is not a weak spot by any, in any
sense. Now I mentioned that the front facing camera is terrible, but there’s an
app called Lumia selfie, which basically will automatically, you can use the
rear camera to take a selfie. So you set up Lumia selfie, you turn it around, it’ll
take a picture of your face, it’ll recognize your face and so on. So that’s
sort of one way to get around that problem. Now just in general, the pros, this
feels solid, I think that’s an important feature. If you have a cheap plastic,
flimsy feeling phone, it just ruins the whole experience. This will not feel
flimsy. It’s got gorilla glass in the front. It’s got all kind of great camera
tricks and the hardware itself the camera is great. It’s go optical image stabilization.
Even the IPhone six doesn’t have that. Six plus does have it. Six doesn’t have
it, and this one has it. Which is really quite amazing. And it’s supports wireless charging, and that of course is an option, you don’t
get the wireless charging dock out of the box. The cons are that the screen
isn’t great. There’s a long process…out of the box with this phone, and all phones
like this is horrible. You pull it out, you’ve got to download a bunch of
stuff, you have to sign up for things, you have to go through this long arduous
process to get it up and running, and that’s very different from the out of the
box, from an iPhone or some Android phones. And, you know, the camera is kind
of on the slow side, there is no tap to focus, which I find pretty vexing. The
auto focus is okay, and it kind of comes and goes. But it’s not great in terms
of focusing, especially given the quality of the iPhone focusing, which is
really fast and really good. So focusing is not great, but again overall the
camera is great, and of course video quality is not so great. However, having
said all that, Leo, I would give this a buy, simply because…
Leo: At that price!
Mike: At this price, with this quality
camera, with this build quality. It’s reasonably good performance, it’s a phone
that’s going to make people happy and I think it’s a great phone if you’re
looking for a windows phone.
Leo: Let’s clarify. Its
2200 milliamp hours, not 200.
Mike: That’s right. Did I say 200? 2200.
Leo: I think you left of the 20. Just so
everybody knows. That’s about right for a phone that size.
Mike: yeah.
Leo: Same as their phone.
Mike: Yeah, it’s good.
Leo: Mr. Mike Elgan, a buy on the Nokia Lumia
830. The last, sad to say, Nokia Lumia.
Mike: A tear, we shed a tear today for the
end of the line.
Leo: Now they’re called Microsoft Lumia’s
but they’re exactly the same, so it’s not really a change.
Mike: That’s right.
Leo: Thank you very much. Mike is back every
Monday through Friday and 10 AM pacific for TNT. We’ll see you then!
Mike: Alright!
Leo: And you’re doing, we should mention, for
the holiday season, you’re going to do a week of special shows.
Mike: That’s right!
Leo: That will broach some of the biggest
controversies in…
Mike: That’s right. We’re going to get some
of the biggest controversies and we’re going to get to the bottom of them.
We’re going to resolve these things once and for all. And I’m not going to say
what they are yet, because I haven’t decided what they are, but they.
Leo: Well it’ll be a month from now.
Mike: Yeah. So it’s going to be highly
controversial and contentious, and we’re going to get everybody around a
virtual table sort of, and we’re going to have at it, and we’re going to get to
the bottom of this.
Leo: Alright! Can I be part of the fight?
Mike: Absolutely, absolutely!
Leo: Give me one good one!
Mike: That’s right.
Leo: Thank you Mike. Appreciate it! Mike
Elgan. Could you stick around a little bit, I want to show you, I know you used
the Moto X for a little while, didn’t’ you?
Mike: I’d love to. Yeah!
Leo: And one of the things I didn’t like
about the Moto X was the battery life couldn’t quite get me through a full day
so I was very interested… Sorry, I’m not talking to you Moto X… I was very
interested in the Droid Turbo when it was announced because it was pretty much
a Moto X with a giant battery. Let’s see if it lives up to the hype next. Or in a moment. But next it’s Shannon Morse, She’s got another Bluetooth speaker system. They come out a lot, but is this one you want? We’ll find out. Snubs.
Shannon
Morse: Hey everyone! I’m Shannon Morse with Before You Buy, and I have the BRVX
Bluetooth Speaker for review today. The MSRP on this is $229.99, but you can
find it as low as 169 dollars on places like Amazon. It comes in a couple of
different colors, you can either get it in gray and
white or black and black. It weighs about 1.5 pounds, so a little bit heavy.
The target market on this is obviously your outdoorsy types. People that want
to go camping, hang out poolside or go on really rugged adventures. It is IPX
certified, water resistant. It is also shock absorbent, it comes with a little strap, so you can attach it to things like your jeep or
your backpack. And the nice thing about this is the battery. So it has a 12
hour play time on this. It’s rated for 12 hours which is a 5200 mode battery
and it can also charge external devices. But nothing over one
amp. So if you have an iPad or different kind of
tablet at home, it won’t be able to charge those, but it will be able to charge
things such as your iPhone. Now if you aren’t playing any audio after about
30 minutes it will just turn off completely, and that’s to conserve its
battery. On the back, there’s a couple of different
ports on here. First off, I wanted to point out this indoor and outdoor mode.
So this basically means if you’re playing it indoor it’s going to be a little
bit quieter sound coming out of it. If you’re playing it outdoor, it’ll pick up
the bass, it’ll be a little bit louder. It has NFC capability as well as
Bluetooth so you can be about 30 feet away from it and still play it with Bluetooth
just fine. It also has AUX in and a USB port to charge all of your devices. But
obviously it doesn’t come with the USB cord for that. You’ll have to supply
whatever came with your device. And there’s also, of course, the power
connector. You also notice on the back that there is a percentage indicator for
your battery. So it’ll show you anywhere between 20, 40, 60, 80 and 100 % of
battery charge. Now let’s move on to the speakers, the fun part. They’re a dual
full range 51 millimeters custom drivers in here. Along with both
a subwoofer and a passive radiator on the bottom. So you get plenty of
sound out of here. One of the nice things about the BRVX2, is that you can also daisy chain it to another BRVX to get left and right
stereo operation. Now moving on to another cool part about this, one of my nice
features is the speaker phone capability for hands free calling. So it’s very
easy to pick up, and answer any calls that might come through your Bluetooth
speaker. It’s very crisp and clear and I was able to get excellent quality up
to the 30 foot Bluetooth range, so no problems there. I noticed no distortions
whenever I was playing vocal music or all of my different podcasts. But the
bass sounded a little bit heavier, or more intense than normal. And I tested
this with everything from simple podcasts to some rock and roll, and some
really tight hip-hop, and some instrumental music. So pretty
much everything in that range. I really like the quality in this product
and it has this nice rubber footing so it’s not going to bounce around on you
anywhere if you are playing music at a loud noise, so all in all, pretty good.
Now moving on to my pros and cons, first off the pros, it is rugged. It’s ready
for anything. It has a long lasting battery of twelve hours and it’s powerful!
I love the audio range on this thing. Now moving on to the cons, I did feel
that it was a little large and heavy. At one point five pounds it is a little
bit too heavy for me to put it in my backpack necessarily. Maybe it’s not too
bad for you though. And it has very intense bass and that might not be
something that you favor. Sometimes I felt like it was too heavy. Now is this a
buy, try, or don’t buy for me? I would give it a try. Braven has some excellent
products out there. This speaker is definitely one of them. I would say try it
out and see if you’re one of those outdoorsy types that would enjoy it. Again,
I’m Shannon Morse, and this is the BRVX Braven Bluetooth speaker.
Leo: Shannon Morse with a try for the Braven
BRVX Bluetooth speaker system. You can catch Shannon on Tekzilla,
on Revision 3 Tekzilla.com each and every week. And, of course, on the Hack 5
network as well. In just a bit we’re going to take a look at the droid Turbo. Before we do though I want to show you my IFIXIT. You know
IFIXIT? You must know IFIXIT! We love IFIXIT. IFIXIT is, you know, I think
people think of them, and they know them well as the teardown company. IFIXIT will
send a guy to Australia to be the first to own an IPhone, take it apart,and find out what’s inside.
That’s very useful but maybe you don’t know why they do it. They take the stuff
apart so they can create a step by step repair guide for pretty much every
product in the world. This is their goal. This is the free online repair manual
very everything! I mean, if you’ve shattered your IPhone screen. If you need to repair the red ring of death on your Xbox 360. If you need to put a new battery in that old galaxy phone, IFIXIT can show you
how. More than 10,000 repair guides. Not just electronics but home appliances,
clothing, even your bicycle! They can hook you up with the parts that you need
to fix it. That’s nice, they can tell you how to fix it but they can also say, this is what you’ll need. Not just parts, but also tools.
They make the best repair tools for consumer electronics. I live and die by my
IFIXIT beautiful protech tool kit. This, if you’re looking for a gift for your
geek this holiday season, let me show you here, this is the protech tool kit.
This is amazing. Everything you need to replace, and to fix consumer electronics.
To start of you put on your wrist band, it’s got spudgers, it’s got… it looks
like you could do dental work with some of this stuff. But if you know what you’re
doing, you’ve got everything you need, and really this is one of the beautiful
things. The IFIXIT 54 bit driver kit. There are in here, bits for every
possible device known to man. You get two holders, a flexi holder for the hard
to reach areas, and you know, it’s all beautifully made, when you get a kit
like this you feel these tools, they’re just gorgeous, cast aluminum tools with
the best quality. 54 bits, you’ve got Philips bits small and large, you’ve got pentelobe bits, that’s what the IPhone and the IMacs use. The Mac laptops use. You’ve got Torques, and torques
security bits. Apple really was the first to use those but now everybody does.
Tri-wing bits, you know what that’s for? Your video game
console? They even have the little known, but the oft needed triangle
bit that’s used for MacDonald’s toys. This kit has a bit for everything! And a
little magnet too, because if you, like me, drop the screws in, it’s always
good to have a little magnet you can pull the screws out with. EFD safe
precision tweezers are in here. The anti-static wrist strap, I showed you that. The nylon and metal spudgers. The plastic opening tools. The lightweight, compact, durable
roll kit means you can take this with you everywhere you go. Your geek will
love this. It’s light weight, its compact, and it’s durable, perfect on the go
tool kit for repair professionals, and people like me who just love having
great stuff. $64.95 backed by a lifetime warranty. We can save you a little money
on that if you stay tuned. You can use this to fix your eyeglasses, your door
knobs, you probably could use it to pick locks, but I’m not saying that! I
don’t know, I’m just making that up! You can pretty
much use it to do anything, of course, with the IFIXIT guides on line you can
always find out how to do it. With IFIXIT you can fix it yourself. I want you
to IFIXIT ifixit.com/twit for free step by step guides. They also sell every
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and the crew are just the best, so we thank them for their support of
BEFOREYOUBUY. And I thank them for my IFIXIT protech tool kit. This is the best
thing in the world. If you see someone carrying this around, you know, oh I can
trust that fella, or gal. Really great stuff. Scooter
X says I’ve used that tool kit to take apart many things! You don’t mention
putting them back together Scooter X. Alright. I have a new phone and I think a
new love in my life. This is the Droid Turbo from Verizon. Now I’m holding it
up next to, maybe this would be better to show it over here. Holding
it next to my Moto X. These are really very similar phones. The Moto X,
second generation, I was so excited by this phone because, you know it’s close
to a pure google experience, I loved the leather back from Horwein,
and I really was looking forward to, you know, kind of a much improved Moto X
experience and I was in every respect except one. The battery life a little
scant. A little scant. I couldn’t quite
get through the day, and I took this to London with me and the fact that by the
time it was dinner time I had to retire this phone really made me sad. So I was, I had high hopes when this came out. This is the Droid
Turbo. Now there’s some negatives you should know
about. Verizon only, so don’t even consider this if you’re not a Verizon customer,
although there are rumors they’re selling this in Latin America under the Droid
Macs name. 3900 milliamp hour battery! That’s 50% more than the Moto X, and it’s,
for that reason, a little bit thicker, a little bit heavier and they don’t have
the same moto maker style back. So you only have three choices. Ballistic nylon and the metallic glass. This is the red
metallic glass. You don’t have a lot of choices in memory either. The red and
black metallic glass have 32 gigabytes of storage. You
can get 64 gigs, but only if you get the nylon back. I decided not to go with
the nylon back, I kind of like red, and I think for many of us 32 gigs is
probably enough. They have upgraded the specs. This is the giant, not only a
snapdragon 805, I think its 3.7 gigahertz, you’ve got very high end GPU’s,
you’ve also got a very high resolution screen. This is
quad HD, 25, what is that? 2550 by 1440. Let me put it
this way. More than 500 dots per inch. Now, I’m going
to point out, as I put this right next to the moto X, which is 1080 P, you
really can’t tell the difference. There comes a point when you have a little
bit, you know, you have more dots than you really need. These are both really
crisp beautiful amulet displays. They really look good. And, by the way, yes
the processor is much faster in theory, plus 3 gigs of RAM, should be a much
snappier phone, the turbo, not really. Not so much. They’re both about the same
frankly. If I load Google plus you’ll see, actually it already loaded it over
here, so it loads a little bit faster. But everything scrolls the same, there’s
not a huge difference in the capabilities of it. So don’t get this phone
because it has more memory or a faster processor. You probably shouldn’t even
get this phone because it has a higher resolution screen, although it is a
gorgeous screen. They are doing pretty much the same thing Motorola did with
the Moto X, you have your own, sorry, wake up command. As you can see I’ve
changed the wake up command to this phone to help me OB1 Kenobi, I find it goes
off a lot less when I say that.
Mike: You’re our only hope.
Leo: It also has the adaptive display
capability, the four inferred sensors that will, when I wave my hand over it,
show me the time and any notifications I’ve got. All the things that make a
Moto X a great… Okay, you can just stop listening right now. I’m not talking to
you! See I think the Moto X is just a little bit jealous of my Droid Turbo.
Some of the things that are on the Moto X are missing here. Besides design,
that metal rim on the Moto X also allowed it to do some Antenna tuning. So Moto
X reception theoretically was better. It’s hard to tell, Verizon’s got a pretty
good signal here, so I haven’t seen much of a difference. You should know
though, this is a single antenna phone, so if you’re on Verizon it doesn’t
support voice and data at the same time. So there are rumors there’ll be a
software update that will turn on volte, voice over LTE on this phone, and then
with Volte you’ll be able to use voice and data at the same time. But currently
as sold, you cannot. So if that’s an issue for you, and I now it is for some
people, this is not probably the right phone for you. I have to say, I’m a
little miffed. Because they put these giant batteries in
here. They’re really fantastic, but then they say to themselves, well
gosh we have such a big battery, why don’t we quadruple the display resolution
and ramp up the CPU and pretty much by that time, you’ve got no net gain.
Mike: There’s bragging rights.
Leo: This is a spec phone. This is a phone
where you just go man I’ve got the state of the art phone. And by the way this
is caviler backed metallic.
Mike: Yes, when the bullet comes you want to
have that in there.
Leo: It’s droid! And as with all droid
phones, it’s got a lot of Verizon cruft installed on it, you can disable it,
but you can’t uninstall it. The Verizon navigator, VP
protection. In fact, a lot of these have been disabled because I just can’t
bear to have all those red icon in there. But you know, those don’t take up a huge amount of space. It’s just, you
know, and most phones, if you’re going to get it carrier subsided you’re going
to have something like that. Let’s talk about battery life because that’s the
reason you’ve got it. You see, we’re here. I disconnected this morning at 7:00 AM, we’re at 57 % battery. I run this battery monitor, the
GCM battery monitor when I’m testing new phones, and use it over a period of
time to get some sense of how the battery is doing. It also tells you which
applications are sucking the most battery, and I try to take off the most
battery intensive applications. Facebook gone, Twitter gone. Oddly enough the Amazon kindle gone. Now this comes
with the amazon, full suite amazon, a deal Verizon made. So you can’t uninstall
Amazon Kindle, but you can disable it. That was one of the things I, even
though I had no Kindle books on here, I hadn’t signed up for the Kindle
account, but it just kept waking up the phone. So I turned all that stuff off.
According to Gsam I can expect about 20 hours of
battery life. Now for me that’s really good. That’s right up there with the one
plus1, I would say this phone isn’t quite as good as the one plus1, it should be two days, and three days because of that size battery. And
Motorola, in fact, says you should be able to get 48 hours. But those numbers
vary depending on how you use your phone. I know how I use my phone. I use it hard, I talk to it a lot. I’m always looking at the screen,
and this is a great beautiful bright screen. But the battery life is not as
much as it ought to be. However it is better than the Moto X, and it probably will get you through the day unless you’re really crazy. A couple of things you should know. This has
a 21 megapixel camera. That seems to be a lot better, but in fact, in use I
haven’t found it to be any better, and it has a flaw that a number of reviewers
have reported that might drive you crazy. Watch how long it takes to take this
picture. See that second lag right there?
Mike: And now you have a giant file.
Leo: That’s annoying. And yes it is a big
file. Although that gives you the ability as with the Nokia
to zoom a little bit. Because you have so many pixels. It’s a good camera. I think the Moto X was a good camera. It has all the
features, the auto HDR and so forth of the Moto X, but that little lag every
time you take a picture, which could be a little annoying so we’re going to
have to mark it down just a little bit for that. On the pros and cons, well the
pros there’s no higher specked phone than this. This has got everything you’d
want in it. Including a 500 plus dots per inch screen. Wow! Wow! You could tell your friends, they won’t be able to tell the
difference, but you can tell your friends. 21 megapixel camera is pretty impressive as well. And hey, this is made out of caviler. I think the
red is pretty styling myself. A lot of people like the Nylon Ballistic back as well, it’s unique for a phone. It’s a basically, relatively
pure Google experience. In fact they’re already being soak tested for lollipop. I think, every time I say Moto X it wakes up. I’m not
talking to you! They’re being soaked tested for lollipop. I imagine the Droid Turbo
will as well because it is as pure a Google phone. Minus the Verizon stuff as
anything else it. It is a Google phone. It looks exactly the same as google
phone. It has exactly the same interface. This is pretty pure, but you’ve got
some additional Motorola stuff which is great. I think all of that is a plus
and it hasn’t been much of a negative on the Moto X phone. So this is very
similar to that, you’ll recognize this immediately. Cons, the battery should be
better than it is. There have been days where, in fact, this died on me at
about 9:00 a couple of nights ago, and I feel like gosh it should be better. One more pro, like the Moto x and the Galaxy note 4 a lot of the
new snapdragon based phones. It does do the rapid charging, that’s a QUALCOMM
feature. It does require a specialized rapid charger. I played around with it a
little bit, it thinks that the Galaxy Note 4 rapid
charger is a rapid charger. The Galaxy Note 4 thinks the Motorola rapid charger
is a rapid charger. So this is a standard that goes beyond any particular
manufacturer. It does charge it up fast, about 50% in a half an hour. That’s
nice, I certainly recommend using it. The other thing that’s nice about this,
it supports CHI charging, wireless charging, so I have a chi stand by my bedside.
I put this in there and charge it. That’s a very nice and easy way to do this.
The Moto X does no support that. I feel like the Moto X is just jealous.
Mike: That’s why you need a battery, because
it’s always going off accidentally.
Leo: The cons on this as I said I would like
to see more for the battery life. It is thicker, it is heavier. That doesn’t
bother me so much. It feels like a manly phone. And that’s what the Droid brand
frankly was all about. Power, more power. A definite buy on the Droid Turbo. If you’re looking for
Moto X like capabilities, a fairly pure Google experience and a phone that is state-of-the-art
across the board lag in the picture. By the way, that can be fixed in an update
as could be the issue with voice over LTE. If you can live with those I would
say a definite buy on the Droid Turbo. It is a nice piece of work. They’ve done
a really nice job on this. Now the only phone that remains for 2014 is the
Nexus 6.
Mike: That’s right.
Leo: Jason Howell and I have both ordered
the Nexus 6s and they’ll ship on November 21st and we’ll have a
review as quickly as we can after we get them. But as we get to the end of the
year, I think it might be appropriate, let do this on Before You Buy, to take
all the top of the line phones. The One plus1, the Galaxy note 4, the Nexus 6,
the Moto X, and the Droid Turbo. Line them all up and figure out which one is
the right phone for Android. You’ve already chosen the IPhone so you’re out of
luck.
Mike: Dang it!
Leo: Thank you very much for joining us.
Thanks Mike Elgan, we appreciate it. Of course to Shannon Morse, Chad Johnson,
Jason Howell, and thanks to you for joining us! We do Before You Buy right
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